dvd format on CD?

[itstime98]

is it possible to encode dv to mpeg2 (dvd) and then burn to CD that will then be able to be played on a stand-alone dvd player.

i guess you would have to trick the dvd player with the header info into thinking that it is playing a dvd disc instead of a cd. is there any programs out there that can do this?

[coona]

I´m not an expert but I know one - Arky :). Try to look at her/his :confused: :confused: posts.

You can convert your dv source into mpeg2. Exact approach depends on many factors like NTSC/PAL, field order, luminance levels,...

[mpucoder]

It's called a miniDVD, there should be some threads about it if you search.

[itstime98]

thanks guys, i now have all the info i need.:)

[waldok]

Itstime98,

I used to do this before I bought a DVD burner (did attack of the clones this way, movie only). This is "feasible", but takes a hell lot of time, particularly at the point where you have to split your movie to fit on several CDs. Plus, you won't get along with less than 4CDs per movie to get good quality and so you'll have to stand up every 20 minutes or so to switch Cds...
Other than that, it works fine.
Unfortunately I don't remember exactly how I did it (it was 6 months ago), but I sure remember the process was not straightforward at all (I wanted subs, and several audio tracks). At the time, I used IFOEdit and "tricked" the split function so that it generates the size I wanted (do a search about this "size trick" in the IFOedit forum I think).

I don't mean to discourage you here, since it is a very interesting experience to do, that will teach you a lot about DVD internal structure and how it works, but be prepared to spend some time on it (unless recent tools are more helpful than what I used at the time)

You can search for MiniDVD in the forums and you'll get a thread about a plugin for DVD2svcd that will handle miniDVD (I never tried it though).

My opinion is once you have fully mastered the MiniDVD creation, you'll just be ready to get a ...DVD burner :D

Waldok:cool:

[itstime98]

just looking at using miniDVD for creation of DVD quality encoding of my DV files. Only need to fit about 15mins at most onto a CD then i want to be able to play it on other peoples dvd players. think i have the info i require now.

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by itstime98
.. then i want to be able to play it on other peoples dvd players.

Only very few DVD Players support miniDVD.

[Arky]

Originally posted by itstime98
just looking at using miniDVD for creation of DVD quality encoding of my DV files. Only need to fit about 15mins at most onto a CD then i want to be able to play it on other peoples dvd players. think i have the info i require now.


You may need to reduce your resolution to a smaller framesize, because full D-1 (that used for commercial DVDs - PAL= 720x576; NTSC = 720x480) requires a fairly high bitrate which may, if written to a CDR, cause problems for the playback device, because the data cannot be read fast enough from the disk - this is a rotational velocity / data density issue - because the data is not as densely packed on a CDR as it is on a DVD, the CDR cannot spin fast enough for enough bits to be read when a high data-rate MPEG file demands it, during playback.

Personally, I'd recommend you use Standard Interface Format (SIF) (PAL = 352x280).

Just something to bear in mind!


Arky ;o)

[hendrix]

352 x 240 for NTSC

[waldok]

I would personally suggest 352x576 (PAL) or 352x480 (NTSC) so to preserve DVD compatibility if you really want to go to MiniDVD.

But as you said you want to use home made DV as source material, I would advise to do SVCD instead of MiniDVD. SVCD are far more compatible with a lot of standalone DVD players. And if you really care about high bitrates you can raise SVCD standard bitrate and make XSVCD (beware of compatibility problems then again).
Starting from a DV source, which is usually not perfect, I would still suggest the "standard" SVCD since increasing bitrate will not "improve" the source material quality anyway (DVD2SVCD will be the best tool for this).

Maybe you should also have a look at the DV forum here.

Waldok:cool:

[mpucoder]

NTSC 352x240 and PAL 352x288 are DVD compatible resolutions. MPEG-1 may also be used with a max bitrate of 1856Kbps.

[Arky]

oops - yes, it is 352x288, not 352x280 as I said. I was drunk as a skunk the other night cos I'd been drinking all day with friends, in the Isle Of Man (if you've never been there, I recommend it!) Sorry for any confusion ("DOH!") :D


Arky ;o)

[waldok]

Damn, Arky,

I can't even remember last time I was drunk as a skunk myself. Maybe it's time to start good habits again... :D Thanks for the idea. maybe I'll have a trip to the Isle of Man. ;)

Waldok:cool: