Has Tobias stopped work on OG DS?

[oddball]

Was looking forward to some of those bugs being fixed like AC3 with OGG in OGM's etc.

[vkem]

No updates for 7 months. Some months ago was information that Tobias negotiated with Xiph for Ogg specs, but nothing has been active there. So I'd suggest everyone to transcode his OGM files to Matroska files.

[avih]

last thing i heard of him was that he joined Xiph (few months ago). i don't know what happened since though.

[BlackSun]

he disappeared.

btw firebird is using a nice smooth-scroll plugin

[lighty]

Originally posted by vkem
So I'd suggest everyone to transcode his OGM files to Matroska files.
Hrm, but his DS filter do the job for me and Matroska is still in it's early infancy so from my standpoint I will continue using OGm as long as Matroska is not fully functional and stable...
That's all IMO of course.

[Koepi]

I'm with lighty here. OGM is somewhat stable and proved itself to be a very potential avi replacement.

Matroska hasn't a mux'er DSF yet. If a working one is ready, I might take a look at it.

Regards
Koepi

[oddball]

Except if you want AC3 and OGG in the same OGM ;)

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by Koepi Matroska hasn't a mux'er DSF yet. If a working one is ready, I might take a look at it. Regards
Koepi
Koepi, i am sorry to hear that you will only start to look at it when such a DSF muxer filter will be available, because this may never happen at all :( ...

There are too many advanced matroska features that we will not be able to support from a DShow muxer, so we recently decided against making such a filter :( .....

Mosu's mkvmerger is compiled for win32 now and was reproted to work nicely. It can do anything already that a DShow muxer should be capable of doing, so why use Dshow for that ?

Anyway, i sincerely hope that matroska could be of interest for you even without such a muxer filter ....

[CaptainCarrot]

So I'd suggest everyone to transcode his OGM files to Matroska files.
Last night I did just that with one ogm i wanted to watch with 794kbit/s divx and 96kbit/s ogg because i wanted to give the matroska direct show filter some testing, but it had really jerky playback right from the beginning, so after 2 or 3 minutes I decided that it had been enough testing and watched the ogm instead, which played smoothly. So there's still some way to go for matroska before i will actually transcode my ogm-files.

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by CaptainCarrot So there's still some way to go for matroska before i will actually transcode my ogm-files.
The jerky playback for higher bitrates is a stupid little bug that was introduced in latest filter version, if only everything was so easy to resolve as this one ;) ... unfortunately robux4 is away for the weekend, and was using the time away from his Windows PC in his appartment to compile mplayer with matroska support on his iBook, so MacOSX users can play matroska files now also ... but this way he wont be able to fix the bug in the DSF before Monday :( ...

[bond]

Originally posted by oddball
Has Tobias stopped work on OG DS?at least the xiph people are working on the ogg format itself (libogg2,...). perhaps tobias waits until ogg is finished?

[kxy]

I am with lighty and koepi here. When mkv perform similar to ogm(chapter support, good seeking, good playback, multiple subtitles, multiple audio), I will switch over.

BTW, how does it handles error correction as it compare to ogm?

[ChristianHJW]

New filter is out : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=315391#post315391

I hope this will fix the jerky playback for most of you ;) ...

[outlyer]

Originally posted by JuanCC
Before the disappearance of Tobias, anybody could create an Open Source Project to continue his work ?, I don't think that OGM is death , because of the appearance of new A/V containers, OGM it's the best solution (in my case) , it's easy and simple to work in it , has the basic options, you can put subtitles, chapters and audio stream, in my case is all I request for an A/V container.
Well, his work wasn't open source. I don't know it became open and was put in a CVS when he joined forces with xiph. If it wasn't, an OSS project is reinventing the wheel and if it was, its next incarnation will be in the "official" ogg.

I don't think OGM needs any "continuation". It's working fine, and for most, as you, it has all the features needed. Dead or not, you can use it. When (if) an oficial ogg prepared for video streams sees the light you'll still have the option to switch or stay, but I'd recommend you to try other options anyway ;)

[oddball]

Well it does and it doesn't. As stated twice. AC3 and OGG don't like playing back from an OGM in most players. Zoom Player gets around this with an extra menu for audio track. But all other players blow up! :)

[The Daishi]

Well, I have just started playing with both of these formats.

This came about because for the first time I had a go with Ogg because I wanted to fit two 2ch tracks in the same space as 1 MP3.

So off I went and learnt how to use BeSweet, encoded the audio as 0.2 44.1kHz Ogg and the commentary as 0.0 22kHz

But that doesn't work in OGMs so I had to use 44kHz audio for both.

I have not tried the 22 & 44 combo in MKV, but the 44 & 44 works fine in 0.4.2. Except I can't get only one audio stream to play like in OGM. Is there not a stream switcher yet for MKV?

What I'm really looking forward to is proper XCD support, with error correction and those protected file header bits, so a scratch there doesn't kill everything.

Apparently OGM has error correction, but I don't know anything about it. But at least devel work is alive and kicking with MKV, so we'll get to that stage eventually.

J.

[Koepi]

Today I got a life sign from Tobias. He'll release his sources to xiph.org.

Thank you Tobias for your great work, I hope you'll find the time again to help us out here :)

Best regards
Koepi

[bond]

great news! .ogm is back again :)

[bilu]

Is this link of any use to this thread?

http://cyrius.bunkus.org/OGM.html

Bilu

[Hiro2k]

cyrius's OGM tools are some of the best I have ever seen. Even though they are only commandline, they do a great job. I thnink that link should be placed in the Stickie for links concerning New A/V Formats.

And I'm glad that Tobias is going to release his OggDS to Xiph.

[bilu]

I know, the tool on my sig depends on them :D

But my point is: how much of that information is what we need from OGM container?

Why can't we also depend on Cyrius, Moritz or Koepi and not just on Tobias to gather knowledge to continue development of the OGM container? :confused:

It's hard to believe that the knowledge used on making all this tools isn't enough to proceed? :confused:


Bilu

[cweb]

I am still using OGM for low bitrates (stuff that goes online on a website for instance due to the simple installer) while for archival purposes I'm now using Matroska. Hey, I even gave my students the chance to submit a 3d rendered animation using Matroska (besides OGM) last May and one of them did use the 1st May version of Matroska and Virtualdubmod...

[Animaniac]

I would really like to see the OGM container and the updated Ogg container used with Theora to converge to one container--hopefully a unified Ogg container.