DVD2DVD-R

[jzaman]

I use ALL of the "One Click DVD backup solutions" discussed on this forum but a comment from MedicineMan inspired me to throw this in for discussion. With DVD2DVD-R and CCE Basic we have another "One Click" option that should be included in this forum. This solution is ideally suited for larger(6 gb+)movie only copies but it can also be creatively used to augment other approaches. CCE Basic ($58) and DVD2DVD-R (Donation) does fit the "One Click" market based on ease of use even if the two pass VBR re-encoding can take several hours. Though it is very German http://www.dvd2dvd-r.de
You can find an English forum at the site.
http://www.dvd2dvd-r.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=eBoard&file=forumdisplay&fid=13

Maybe Chatwalker or Tommkill (DVD2DVD-R author and DVD2DVD-R moderator) can join in and show their faces.

Without trashing other programs or authors, this can be a starting point for users to post their comments on the DVD2DVD-R/CCE Basic combo. Anyone out there with anything to share?

[mpucoder]

No one's going to squash discussion of DVD2DVDR, but, since it depends on an external program, it does not belong with the other programs here.

[jzaman]

mpucoder:

All these programs depend on external programs. DVD Decrypter and Nero are external programs. Yes. It does require the CCE Basic engine but in one click it decrypts, calls the CCE engine and scripts out everything to create a final size from 4.33-4.36 GB. That is actually 1 click less than the other programs. If I don't put it here I don't know where it should go. If the category was "One click DVD backup solutions with built in transcoding/encoding" then I would concur. However, I do not mod this forum so I was not involved in the category creation nor do I intend any disrespect.:)

[mpucoder]

I'm not really sure where it belongs, either. Programs here, so far, contain their own transcoder/encoder, and do not require CCE, ReMPEG2, or TMPGEnc. The DIF4U and DoCCE4U are similar in certain respects, but are more like gui's. It is not authoring, so it doesn't go there.
I guess for now it stays here, but we really wanted to avoid making yet another area where CCE is discussed.

[jzaman]

I knew I shouldn't have started a thread with the version number on the Subject title. DVD2DVD-R is now version 1.48.


http://www.mrbass.org/dvd2dvdr/DVD2DVDR_148.exe

Thanks to mrbass for providing this mirror site for the download.

[mpucoder]

Easy enough to change if you started the thread, just edit the first post and change the subject.
But if I change the thread title, the thread starter will no longer be able to change the title.

[jzaman]

mpucoder:
Thanks..I left the version number out. I was going to make it DVD2DVD-R Version 1.4x but that would be dated soon.

[jzaman]

monomer, MedicineMan, MisterX or whoever:

I know you folks are using this. What do you think? Is this a One click DVD backup solution? Is it only a tool for 6gb+ movies that you want to preserve like fine wine? Is it worth climbing over the German wall to use? Is it a mutant? Is this thread going to be a soliloquy?...Help!!

[windtrader]

This seems to be a winning combo for me.

I use DVD2ONE and like it very much since it does two things for me quite well.

1) Creates IFO and VOBS much faster than IFOEDIT with a much simpler interface.
2) Shrinks those movies that just don't quite fit on a DVD-R, even after doing a main movie only rip and stripping streams out.

I have read on many, many threads that CCE is the superior engine for "shrinking" video. I did not do this yet due to cost of CCE, encode time, and learning curve.

With this combination, it seems that cost is low (CCE Basic), learning curve is lowered (DVD2DVD-R plus CCE integration), the best quality video, and ease of use "one click".

I loaded DVD2DVD-R 1.48 but get a run-time error '339' on component COMCTL32.OCX on Win2k OS. Any ideas?

Also, any rules of thumbs on the size of original movies that can be compressed and maintain "near original" quality? For me, I will only compress to the degree that I can not visually see any degradation when viewed on a 100" projected image.

Thanks,Don

[monomer]

This has got to be the right forum for DVD2DVD-R and CCE because TOGETHER they are a "one-click" solution to DVD back-ups... and after all, isn't that the criteria. Besides there are so few of us using this combo, the rest of you will never even notice we're here.

jzaman... just a quick note... all the movies I've tried so far work flawless when I leave all the defaults check and only uncheck "progressive frames". No combing, no stutters, no freeze-ups. The movies so far: Terminator, Hamlet, Last of the Mohicans, Out of Sight... Terminator was a heavy weight, weighing in at 6.86Gb stripped. It turned out perfect. I honestly cannot tell it apart from the original... and that's on a ~114" wide screen. So now I'm getting curious as to just how big I can go with this combo. I'm now betting its going to be way over 7Gb.

[mpucoder]

Chatwalker has been a member since July 2002, and last posted 10 days ago in the Development forum.

[mrbass]

Originally posted by windtrader

I loaded DVD2DVD-R 1.48 but get a run-time error '339' on component COMCTL32.OCX on Win2k OS. Any ideas?


Yes..same happened to me...
http://www.imagedig.com/page6.html
All I did was download
http://www.imagedig.com/download/comctl32.ocx
and put it in my c:\winnt\system32 folder
then start | run | regsvr32 comctl32.ocx
and voila done.

[jzaman]

windtrader:
Click your start menu, click Run
At the Run prompt type in regsvr32 comctl32.ocx
Click OK

monomer:
As you know, your 114" screen will show flaws that the relatively dinky screens I have will forgive. I have been religiously studying the first vob from the original with Bitrate Viewer 1.5054 Commercial Version, verifying and matching the settings in the DVD2DVD-R interface and then clicking Go. Sometimes I'll do some Bit Rate calculations and change the suggested defaults but normally the defaults are accurate. The majority of my standalone players are new Sony models so maybe they correct any anomalies from the "progressive frames" setting or maybe I have just been lucky so far. SW2:Attack of the Clones is a 7gb example that is perfect with a 4.36gb final size without any tweaking. All sizes are between 4.33 and 4.36 gb so far no matter what I pass through it. It fine tunes at the second pass. It is typically one click with a two to three hour siesta break. Even though DVD2DVD-R decrypts on the fly I still feel safer using DVD Decrypter in file mode ahead of time and I think it is a little faster in the decryption department. However, I don't think there is actually anything wrong with the DVD2DVD-R decryption.

[mrbass]

concerning that comctl32.ocx error Chatwalker (author of dvd2dvd-r) uploaded a newer version that includes it. That's the only difference. First one was 4.23MB and second version is 4.45MB (both are 1.4.8). No need to download it again if you have it working.
I updated my mirror with the latest version.

I'm not so sure if this app is gonna be that much faster and better to use in a month or so. Seems like NTSC users are screwed since they need to use $20,000 scenarist to author the DVD. PAL users can just happily use IFOEDIT.

Maybe in a month or so http://doitfast4u.doom9.org/ will be just about as simple as DVD2DVD-R is.
see 4/21/03 news "...I plan to rls the new version on the same day that ReAuthorist goes final, and everyone will be able to see what the next level of reauthoring can be like. Lots of significant changes in speed, functionality, and versatility are afoot!"

In the end if NTSC users have to use Maestro, ReelDVD, Scenarist to author the video and audio file then I suppose it's not really a one-click DVD backup solution after all.

[monomer]

Originally posted by mrbass
I'm not so sure if this app is gonna be that much faster and better to use in a month or so. Seems like NTSC users are screwed since they need to use $20,000 scenarist to author the DVD....
....In the end if NTSC users have to use Maestro, ReelDVD, Scenarist to author the video and audio file then I suppose it's not really a one-click DVD backup solution after all.

I feel like I've just walked into the middle of something already in progress and I have no idea what's going on... could you fill me in? I have no idea what you're referring to that is going to happen in a month or so that will change the way I'm currently using DVD2DVD-R to create my back-ups. Please explain... thank you.

[jzaman]

mrbass:

What am I missing? I've done a dozen 6.0+ gb NTSC movies so far with IFOedit for the Authoring mode and every one is near perfect video and audio. I've heard this before but in practice I have not experienced any problems. Please explain.

[mrbass]

ok here's the deal. I've only done two NTSC movies and had zero issues and maybe many will not. I was ready to throw together a guide but because of NTSC not working (supposedly) with IFOEDIT doing the muxing.

I did a search 'IFOEDIT NTSC Remux' and almost all threads were talking about how IFOEDIT didn't like the .m2v file from TMPGEnc but how it worked just fine with REMPG2. I did see one or two points about CCE and not to use IFOEDIT.

Now here's some cut and paste some posts concerning this issue.

http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124578&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1120
by sfxwe
"Cons For DVD2DVDr.

1 Long Encoding time
2 Must use a seperate DVD authoring program unless u r doing PAL
3 Must rip subs manually
4 After encoding must burn newly created VOBs to DVD with external program.
5 Movie only no menu or extras "

posted by rob w
Chatwalker says that he may need to alter his calculations (time code) to make subtitles work with NTSC video. He regrets that he has only one NTSC disc and that does not contain subtitles. (Hey, someone send him some discs ).

by wayned16 http://kickme.to/dvd2dvdr
Bach modified a pulldown.exe which according to him fixed the problem but (well let's just not go into it...maybe now it'll never get fixed).
http://wayned1985.proboards17.com/index.cgi?board=DVDChat&action=display&num=1048045179

maybe now it's all fixed who flipping knows
posted by mosh
"It might sound that the pulldown issue isn't the problem it is the mpg decoder that was being used in dvd2dvdr that was causing headaches for NTSC users. If you read the post the person is claiming that there is a conflict with Pulldown and the original encoder dll that was being used in dvd2dvdr. Now if also this was the case it would now mean that you would now have a choice of encoders to use for NTSC so testing could begin to see what encoder is fastest and possibly better to use. "

posted by Vader443
" believe this gentlemen has modified pulldown to fix the ntsc "time" bug. This bug shows up when one tries to author an ntsc with ifoedit. From reading his other posts, everyone thinks there is a bug in ifoedit when authoring an ntsc film. He claims that the bug is in pulldown, not ifoedit.

"If you run a test, make sure you use the old mpeg decoder and not the new one. The new one seems to have other issues with ntsc film files"

posted by NYPlayer
"It is an Ifoedit bug. If I were to use DVD2DVDr to remove audio and subs and there is no encoding required. It is still no good when authored with Ifoedit. The problem has nothing to do with pulldown. It has to do with Ifoedit authoring NTSC!!!!"

I'm not going to go on and on but it seems to me that all Bach was trying to do was help solve dvd2dvd-r issues and for it on dvdrhelp.com forums he gets cussed out literally
"I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that guy is full of monkey shit. If i'm wrong then I'll eat that monkey shit."

It's pretty pathetic too because there's a way to say your point without getting personal about it. Bach DOES NOT even use DVD2DVD-R and was trying to help out debug the code.

Problem is IFOEDIT problem won't get updated since Derrow works for 321 Studios now and Chatwalker still only has one NTSC DVD to test with.

DVD2SVCD never had issues with pulldown.exe because BBMPEG multiplexed (muxed) them together.

Anyway if this is the case of DVD2DVD-R not working with NTSC movies with IFOEDIT I might as well just use DVD2SVCD to get the .m2v and .ac3 files and rip with internal routines.

As he's added support for dvd authoring lately
It's been there for a longtime but he keeps enhancing minor things.
http://www.dvd2svcd.org/Readme.txt
- Bug Fix: External Subtitles not formated properly, could produce an "Access Violation" or a "List index out of bounds" error.

- Enhancement: Chapters are added to the ECL file. Should make the chapter entries when authoring dvd's more precise.

- Enhancement: The chapters is now saved in a maestro compatible
text file, which you can use when dvd authoring. I hope to extend the dvd output options in the next release.

[monomer]

mrbass... so I was right! I DID walk into the middle of something... except it was on another forum.
Fortunately for me, I've yet to experience any problems with DVD2DVD-R/CCE other than 'checking' the wrong option and winding up with combing (which was easily fixed). So far, 5 movies, no problems... ('knock-on-wood'). I'm starting another one right now.

BTW, the long encoding time is no different than encoding with IC7 two or three times to get an appropriate file size. And I never keep any subtitles. DVD2DVD-R decrypts, strips, rips and encodes... For me it does it ALL except for the burn which I use Nero to do.

Oh, and mrbass please do the guide anyway. Since there are some of us who do not have problems with IfoEdit, I'm sure it will be quite useful to many of us.

[jzaman]

mrbass:
Thanks for your summary. I read the entire thread on dvdrhelp forum and always keep an open mind. Without you, MisterX, 2cool, and nyplayer I would not be challenged, educated and entertained in all these forums. However, I can only report on my observations. The next movie I copy with DVD2DVD-R/CCE Basic may get so fouled up that I may be singing another tune. I still use dvdxcopy,dvd2one,dvd95copy, and IC for full movie or main movie under 6gb backups.

I jumped into this recently with DVD2DVD-R 1.47, CCE basic 2.67.X, and IMGTools 1.0.0.4 with Nero 5.5.10.15 api. I use DVD Decryptor in file mode, analyze the vobs with Bitrate Viewer before and after 2 pass VBR re-encoding and normally go with the defaults plus mpg2dec2.dll and 32-bit MMX SSE2. I use it for movie only copies when the movie is 6.0+ gb. It averages 2.5-3 hrs with souped up hardware. I use Ulead DVD Toolbox to author my own DV movies and captures but Scenarist would drain my time and budget.

I've done ten movies in a row without a coaster that play perfectly in ten different DVD players including an Emerson model that is my reference for hyper sensitivity. Is my bout of luck with this combo due to using this in Movie only mode without any frills? Maybe it's a dice roll but I'll play til I lose..

[monomer]

Originally posted by jzaman
monomer:
As you know, your 114" screen will show flaws that the relatively dinky screens I have will forgive...
...The majority of my standalone players are new Sony models so maybe they correct any anomalies from the "progressive frames" setting...

jzaman... I've also viewed the 'flawed' movie version on my 17" computer monitor and believe me, if your movies had 'combing' this bad, you'd definitely would notice it! It is that obvious. So there must be something fundamentally different between our set-ups. So far I've been rather reluctant to burn a disc of this 'flawed' version but I think I will do it this weekend and see what it looks like in my Sony standalone (of very recent vintage) when viewed thru my 27" Sony Trinitron (interlaced). I don't want to sound negative but I have a feeling it will still show 'combing'.

mrbass... I'm looking forward to your guide (you are still going to do one, right?)

[windtrader]

Mrbass and jzaman,

Thanks on the OCX problem. Got it working. Next step - I read that the demo version of CCE Basic does not work with DVD2DVD-R. What other options do I have to try the DVD2DVD-R/ encoder combo? I would rather trial something before plunking down money on CCE Basic.

I paid up for DVD2COPY but now find DVDShrink is so far just as nice for free except for a donation.

Thanks for the help. I feel like a real newbie on this one. The problem is German may as well be Greek. Any other sites where I can do so English language research on this thing. It sounds really hot so I am willing to put some time into it to see how much better it is than DVD2COPY and DVDSHRINK. The encoding engine and algorithms are one black box to me.

Don

[jzaman]

monomer:

If you look at the first vob in the original with Bitrate Viewer, is "progressive frames" selected? If the original vob has progressive frames deselected but DVD2DVD-R has it selected then I would vote for Bitrate Viewer. Give me an example of a movie that displays extreme combing with Bitrate Viewer and DVD2DVD-R agreeing on the progressive frame selection. I'll obtain it and check it out. I would think that the final re-encoded vob should match up with the original except for the bit rate distribution but I can be harboring the wrong assumption. We do diverge in two areas: I work off of DVD Decrypter file mode and I use IMGtools 1.0.0.4 with the Nero API in my burns (with Ritek 4x media). I don't know if that makes a difference but I've been fooled in the past...convinced that I had a software problem when it was the media or burn method. Not that we don't have enough variables to deal with ...

:devil:

windtrader:

CCE Basic is only $58. But don't go by me...I've been buying these programs on a shopping spree that is akin to drug addiction. You're on your own. :)

[monomer]

Windtrader... I used the CCE SP Trial Version to test DVD2DVD-R originally and it worked... be aware that this CCE Trial version adds an annoying logo to the movie. Give it a try and if it works for you then purchase CCE Basic... it will also work.

jzaman... Though I've used DVD2DVD-R to decrypt and rip a couple of movies, to tell you the truth, I mostly still use DVD Decrypter because it's much faster. (Also then allows me to 'ogle' the specs in Bitrate Viewer). I've used Bitrate Viewer to 'check-out' several movies (Last of the Mohicans, Terminator) and both are listed as 'progressive'. Based on that alone I've run DVD2DVD-R with 'Progressive Frames' checked and... argh! 'COMBING'!
I then re-run with 'Progressive Frames' unchecked and... tah dah! a perfect, flawless back-up.
And I always preview each 'back-up' movie in IfoEdit's DVDplayer, in Zoomplayer (using Sonic's filters), and in PowerDVD... if it plays okay in all 3 players, THEN I burn with Nero, take the disc up-stairs and check it out on my Sony standalone.

[jzaman]

monomer:

Your results kill my theory of the re-encoded vob having the basic properties of the original vob. We must sometimes create a mutant? If we can't believe our setting detectors (sounds like IC..just kidding!) then we'd need a way to cull out the mutants. Nothing is ever neat <grumble,grumble>!!

[monomer]

It's got to be more than: some movies are just 'odd-balls'... I've tried all 5 movies with and without 'progressive frames' checked and all 5 came out the same... 'progressive frames' checked = 'combing'... 'progressive frames' unchecked = flawless copy
2 out of the 5 had Bitrate Viewer saying they were progressive (I never did checked the other 3). I've just finished "Black Hawk Down" with 'progressive frames' checked because DVD2DVD-R advised me to... 'combing' big time! I'm now re-doing it with 'progressive frames' unchecked... I'll know in another couple of hours, but I bet you it comes out perfect.

[jzaman]

monomer:

If it was a general rule then I could live with it. Attack of he Clones is progressive frames but it exhibits no combing flaws. I'll do it again without progressive frames selected and compare.

[monomer]

jzaman... I'm as perplexed as you are... at least in your case Bitrate Viewer and the DVD2DVD-R defaults agree, so for you its all logical. So far for me its been simple... leave the defaults and just uncheck 'progressive frames'. If this ever fails, its back to the 'drawing board' for me (which means the 'trial and error' method of finding a solution).
Just out of curiousity: which software DVD player(s) are you using?

UPDATE: Just finished Black Hawk Down... the movie is perfect (original 6.63Gb stripped > final size 4.37Gb and it took 4 hours 4 minutes to process)

[mrbass]

Originally posted by monomer
It's got to be more than: some movies are just 'odd-balls'... I've tried all 5 movies with and without 'progressive frames' checked and all 5 came out the same... 'progressive frames' checked = 'combing'... 'progressive frames' unchecked = flawless copy
2 out of the 5 had Bitrate Viewer saying they were progressive (I never did checked the other 3).

this can't be DVD2DVD-R must have it backwards then. I did well over 1,000 of SVCDs with DVD2SVCD with Progressive checked in CCE.

Basically Progressive should be checked (should be doesn't mean that it works in this program...I may take your word for it)

Linear quantizer and zigzag should be unchecked.

Upper field first should be checked ...only uncheck if it's interlaced like home mini-DV footage. Is PAL interlaced it's been so long. Anyway see CCE manual.
http://www.mrbass.org/dvd2svcd/dvd2svcd_advref.html#cce

[Slick]

Hi.
I gave Dvd2Dvd-r a try last night on two Pal movies.
I got an error on both movies at the same point in IFOedit.
the error was "too many frames dropped"

anyone else had this?

everything was left as default & only English Audio & subs selected.

[Artur]

I´ve been using Dvd2dvdr for about 4 months and had no probs. so far!!
I beliave it´s a great program and in my opinon it´s a one click program.
@Slick, what are the movies you trying to do? Are they your first experience with DVD2DVDR? If so, maybe you neede to instal it again.
Seeyyaa!

[darrellw]

could someone please confirm for me that this program is NOT suitable for backing up episode DVD's, due to it's lack of MENU
cheers
darrell

[jzaman]

monomer:

Re-encoded SW2:Attack of the Clones with progressive frames unchecked. This changes Frame Type: progressive to Frame Type: Interlaced. It also looked excellent to my eyes. I checked it with component video in to a progressive DVD player. I thought it exhibited more flicker but its hard to see straight this early in the morning. I have to go to work today (my real job) so I'll check in later.

[jzaman]

darrellw:

I think it is more suited to a "main movie only" copy.

[Artur]

Originally posted by darrellw
could someone please confirm for me that this program is NOT suitable for backing up episode DVD's, due to it's lack of MENU
cheers
darrell
That´s right, " Main Movie " only.

[Slick]

Originally posted by Artur
@Slick, what are the movies you trying to do? Are they your first experience with DVD2DVDR? If so, maybe you neede to instal it again.
Seeyyaa!

Hi Artur

Yes this the first time I've used DVD2DVDR.
the movies I tried were "Guru" & "Signs"

I'm using CCE 2.5 as encoder.

I'll try your suggestion & re-install.

Cheers

[monomer]

Originally posted by Slick
Hi.
I gave Dvd2Dvd-r a try last night on two Pal movies.
I got an error on both movies at the same point in IFOedit.
the error was "too many frames dropped"

anyone else had this?

everything was left as default & only English Audio & subs selected.

Slick... I don't know about those subtitles, buddy... in the 'humongous' thread over at the 'dvdrhelp' forum, (the thread mrbass linked to in an earlier posting) many are having problems with subtitles and IfoEdit et al. Since I have no need for subtitles I've always selected 'none'... this could be the reason I've never experience any problems with IfoEdit. Check it out.
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124578&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1120

darrellw... 'movie only' is all I've ever done

[jhmac]

Was is combing? Is that a kind of flicker as the camera moves around?
I don't notice it on the pc through powerdvd just on the standalone?

[monomer]

'Combing' is when the edges of moving objects resemble the teeth of a comb. This is due to the interlacing of two fields (alternating lines) that were taken at different moments in time. Static (motionless) objects do not comb... the faster an object moves the greater this 'combing' effect. This flaw is sometimes referred to under the larger general heading of 'interlacing artifacts'.

Your PC does not play your movie 'interlaced' but rather as 'progressive' (... meaning instead of creating a frame using alternating lines, the whole frame is being shown or all the lines are created in order - progressively) On the other hand your standalone and TV might be showing you 'interlaced' or 'progressive' depending on your equipment capabilities.

BTW, moving objects can appear motionless 'on-stage' but are actually moving because the camera angle is changing (... thus any camera movement can also cause objects to comb)

[windtrader]

I have DVD2DVD-R up and running thanks to your support! The other bits are installed as well: (Ifoeidt, CCE, and bitrateviewer).

While I wait... the how to guide here: http://users.pandora.be/DVD2DVD-R/UK-DVD2DVD-R.htm
has a bunch of IFOEDIT steps after the transcoding.

If these additonal manual steps (many) are required I'm not sure how y'all calling this a one step process? I am doing NTSC rips.

DVDSHRINK and DVD2ONE are one click for me. Am I missing something about DVD2DVD-R?

Update - after the audiocheck is complete, I get a message saying DVD2AVI is starting, not CCE. ?? I have specified the CCE cctsp.exe file in the MPEG encoder box.

Thanks,
Don

[mrbass]

Just so were all on the same page these are the options you should set for most NTSC DVDs. Please correct me if I'm wrong. http://NTSC settings (http://www.mrbass.org/dvd2dvdr/ntscdvds.png)

DVD2SVCD autodetects this stuff so it's usually a no brainer.

Only time you should unchecked progressive frame is for a concert or music dvd and sometimes a documentary.

[windtrader]

Mrbass,

I used BitRate Viewer and took the values from there and put them in DVD2DVD-R.

The movie I am doing now has BitRate Viewer values of:

Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Linear
Scan type: ZigZag
Frame type: Progressive

Not the same as your settings.

[mrbass]

When you are unsure (I'm not almost ALWAYS) NTSC film is progressive and not interlaced. DO NOT make the mistake of using the freeware limited version of bitrate viewer. It works just don't get confused.
http://www.tecoltd.com/bitratev.htm

Always load then SECOND file in the VTS
here's examples
You have to find out what is your main movie VTS set.
VTS_01_2.VOB
VTS_02_2.VOB
VTS_03_2.VOB
VTS_04_2.VOB
VTS_05_2.VOB

don't load VTS_05_1.VOB

Why? If you load VTS_05_1.VOB for example the it'll report INTERLACED which is true for the very beginning frames ONLY and not true through the movie. By loading a second your analyzing the MOVIE and not INTRO part which will be PROGRESSIVE usually.

BTW it takes 2 mins to fully analyze 1GB file when doing it directly from the DVD-ROM but just waiting 10 to 20 secs is all you need to wait to get the info you need. I'll only use it on extreme cases of concert dvds or oddball dvds that I'm unsure of.

[Artur]

Originally posted by windtrader
I have DVD2DVD-R up and running thanks to your support! The other bits are installed as well: (Ifoeidt, CCE, and bitrateviewer).

While I wait... the how to guide here: http://users.pandora.be/DVD2DVD-R/UK-DVD2DVD-R.htm
has a bunch of IFOEDIT steps after the transcoding.

If these additonal manual steps (many) are required I'm not sure how y'all calling this a one step process? I am doing NTSC rips.

DVDSHRINK and DVD2ONE are one click for me. Am I missing something about DVD2DVD-R?

Update - after the audiocheck is complete, I get a message saying DVD2AVI is starting, not CCE. ?? I have specified the CCE cctsp.exe file in the MPEG encoder box.

Thanks,
Don

DVD2AVI will create a file recognized by CCE, just then CCE will start!!
Seeyyaa!

[monomer]

Windtrader... I've not yet had the time to fully read your link, though I definitely intend to... let me just say that when DVD2DVD-R is done there will be NOTHING left for you to do except burn your 'TS' files

Mrbass... I agree that something is amiss but I only know what's been working for me and I got there through a massive 'trial-and-error' type of learning process... (which is a very slow and tedious way to learn!) With the settings you've proposed I get a movie that looks good and plays on both my computer and my standalone (think interlaced) BUT... it will freeze or stutter or go out-of-sync if I try to 'jump' either forwards or backwards in the movie (I often can get away with little jumps of <5 minutes)... jzaman also experienced this under those same settings. If I turn-off '2:3 pulldown' the movie plays and works properly EXCEPT all motion is slightly blurred when compared directly to the original. If I uncheck 'ForceFilm' I now get 'combing' big time! If I further uncheck 'progressive frames' I now get my perfect movie. I wish I knew what was going on but I don't... I can only tell you what my experiences have been.

[windtrader]

mrbass-
"DO NOT make the mistake of using the freeware limited version of bitrate viewer. It works just don't get confused."

June 30, 2002 is the timestamp on the version of bitrate viewer i am using now. What do I need to be careful of?

I used the first VOB, not the second. The values in my last post came from the first vob.

artur - the DVD2AVI step finished and CCE is going now. It seems to be going pretty fast, estimated 2 hours total.

[mrbass]

ok I stand corrected ...it sure seems that DVDs differ. As far as progressive though that is still true for NTSC

But I guess it's always good to use that bitrate viewer to set the parameters of which field first, zigzag or alternate scan,etc.


[Red Dragon R1 NTSC]
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 9800000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Frame
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: ZigZag
Frame type: Progressive


[DrumLine R1 NTSC]
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 9800000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Linear
Scan type: ZigZag
Frame type: Progressive


[Rounders R1 NTSC]
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 4:3 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 9001600 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 9
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: No
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: Alternate
Frame type: Progressive

[I Am Sam R1 NTSC]
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 9801600 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: No
DCT type: Frame
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: ZigZag
Frame type: Progressive

[Fast and the Furious R1 NTSC]
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 9800000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: Yes
DCT type: Field
Quantscale: Linear
Scan type: ZigZag
Frame type: Progressive

[Crouching Tiger R1 NTSC]
Stream type: MPEG-2 MP@ML VBR
Resolution: 720*480
Aspect ratio: 16:9 Generic
Framerate: 29.97
Nom. bitrate: 9800000 Bit/Sec
VBV buffer size: 112
Constrained param. flag: No
Chroma format: 4:2:0
DCT precision: 10
Pic. structure: Frame
Field topfirst: No
DCT type: Frame
Quantscale: Nonlinear
Scan type: ZigZag
Frame type: Progressive

[Artur]

" artur - the DVD2AVI step finished and CCE is going now. It seems to be going pretty fast, estimated 2 hours total " wroted by windtrader
That´s the first pass in Multipass VBR!! It will do a second one if you selected it like i told. Don´t take the dvd disc out of the dvd-rom untill IFOEDIT creat the VOBS ready to burn!!!
Seeyyaa!

[mrbass]

Originally posted by windtrader
mrbass-
"DO NOT make the mistake of using the freeware limited version of bitrate viewer. It works just don't get confused."

June 30, 2002 is the timestamp on the version of bitrate viewer i am using now. What do I need to be careful of?



I worded that way wrong...I meant to say "Be careful when using...blah blah and don't choose the first vob of the VTS (Video Title Set) of the main movie. Always choose the 2ND or 3rd, etc.

[windtrader]

artur, mrbass -

The rip step took nearly 40 minutes. If it is really just doing a decrypt pass, can't I do the rip using another faster ripper and then skip the rip step in DVD2DVD-R?

Don

[Slick]

Originally posted by monomer
Slick... I don't know about those subtitles, buddy... in the 'humongous' thread over at the 'dvdrhelp' forum, (the thread mrbass linked to in an earlier posting) many are having problems with subtitles and IfoEdit et al. Since I have no need for subtitles I've always selected 'none'... this could be the reason I've never experience any problems with IfoEdit. Check it out.
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124578&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1120

darrellw... 'movie only' is all I've ever done

Cheers Monomer

I will try with no subs. I dont use them anyway.;)