Compability prob...or??

[SidDan]

oh man,,,, I´m going crazy. Now when I thought I did a good job it was almost shit. Sure it worked on one of my stand alone players... but not the second one. out of The Bourne Identity, Scorpion King and The One (jet Li) only The One works on my other standalone player wich is a top notch Harman Kardon DVD 1 (or HK for short). my other player which works very well is a Pioneer DVL-909.

'with the The One I first made it in IC7 and due to the filesize probs with that movie I did later it again in dvd2one 1.1.1

'With Scorpion King I did it with DVDshrink 1.03

'Bourne Identity only IC7

All of them used the same media but do you think it can really be the program?.... I did remove the warning texts on all of the movies and other menu languages without The One since it was only in english.

hmmm, Now I burnt Bourne on a +RW and the title logo wouldn´t play, but if I press the menu on the remote then it´s working. GOiNg cRaZy and it was made in dvd2one 1.1.2... and did again in DVDshrink original with no modification on the meny. And it won´t play on the HK player still

The Error I get is that it complains about the data being corrupted after it tries to read the disc... weird sound

worth to mention also I guess.... I burnt another movie Accidental Spy a long time ago with the same media, and since it was a dvd 5 already I just copied and burnt, after decryption of course.. works very fine

this was difficult, hope you all understood

[SidDan]

people people.... I got 2 good replies at dvdrhelp and not a single one here.. and only 8 views? .. oh well.. maybe the hot shots aren´t available on mondays.. lol

[MackemX]

Originally posted by SidDan
All of them used the same media but do you think it can really be the program?.... I did remove the warning texts on all of the movies and other menu languages without The One since it was only in english.

hmmm, Now I burnt Bourne on a +RW and the title logo wouldn´t play, but if I press the menu on the remote then it´s working. GOiNg cRaZy and it was made in dvd2one 1.1.2... and did again in DVDshrink original with no modification on the meny. And it won´t play on the HK player still

The Error I get is that it complains about the data being corrupted after it tries to read the disc... weird sound

so are you using IC to remove titles?

[SidDan]

no, did it in IFOedit.. since I read removing titles in IC is´t that smart... that´s why it is prolly disabled by default

[MackemX]

I normally get errors when I remove something I shouldn't or so it incorrectly using Ifoedit, though not so much now

Bourne ID looks like it looking for somits that ain't there and you ain't kept a valid stucture

so it hangs until u press menu button :)

it's normally one of the 0.xx sec entries that's missing that causes players to hang, or a deleted language/format options menu previous to main menu

just be very careful when stripping and it will work no matter what DVD it is

Even I delete the wrong thing sometimes but normally find out what it is eventually :)

[SidDan]

alright.. that only solves a fragment of the main problem :p
the HK player still won´t read the disc at all :(

I am doing The One again with IC7 only and we´ll see if it works, no modification with ifo edit.. only substracted some audio and subtitles from IC7

[hakko504]

Originally posted by SidDan
people people.... I got 2 good replies at dvdrhelp and not a single one here.. and only 8 views? .. oh well.. maybe the hot shots aren´t available on mondays.. lol #12 (http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm) Don't be impatient. Most people visit once or twice a day so you usually get an answer within 24 hours if someone have an answer.

[SidDan]

lol.. ok. Still good that there are 2 good forums at least :)


Finished now with the The One.. with only IC, no modification at all and it does work on the HK player

[Arianos]

As MisterX said, Ifoedit is a most powerful tool.. but needs constant caution.
Also there is the Ifoedit DVD Playback, which in most cases will tell you whether your efforts are playable.
But then again, HKs are strange beasts :)

All of us had our "hitting the wall" one way or another.
Practice and have 2x DVD-RWs handy :)

[SidDan]

Yes I am familiar with the DVD playback in IFOedit. All DVDs I made works there and also in my Pioneer standalone player...but now reccently I get the message there is no DVD volume everytime I view the movie, in IFOedit that is... even when I try from the very original I get the same. It hasn´t always been like that but it still works tho.

but I wonder..... if I can´t get an original movie to work made in IC7 or DVD2one or even DVDshrink,(except The One which works),, without any modification whatsoever to a dvd-r (rw) then will remuxing and making it in CCE really matters as for a difference? as what I was suggested to do in another forum

[MackemX]

like I said at dvdrhelp, CCE is overkill. You don't need CCE in anyway at all to fix your problem

the guys at dvdrhelp don't understand your problem

cos your menu button works ok when it's hanging, it just means the DVD has lost track of it's bearings cos it's looking for somits that ain't there

to fix it just adjust the IFO to start with the main menu or movie upon insertion. SORTED :D

see 2COOL's guides on how to do it

If you are real comfortable using Ifoedit you could probably fix it properly but the main menu option is the easiest :)

[SidDan]

ok I understand... I wonder what I might have deleted tho... cus I carefully noted the VOB IDs of all the warning texts in the video_ts.ifo and the blank ones I left intact.. but ok I´ll check it once more. Ok so so the menu prob is solved, but still confused about my main problem... why does The One work, what´s so special about it than those other ones which won´t on the HK player

[MackemX]

Originally posted by SidDan
why does The One work, what´s so special about it than those other ones which won´t on the HK player
different original DVD structures I guess, cos some are simple and some ain't, some are easily modded and some ain't and then add that to a fussy player

[SidDan]

aha.. I see. And what do you mean by "fuzzy" exactly?
like "picky" or something?

[MackemX]

"fuzzy" as in my Sony :D

what a b!%$h it is, but now I've got it under control cos I know how awkward it is

it's just that my Sony actually checks the IFO and then checks that all the files that are on the disc are there that are referred too

if they ain't it comes back with 'disc is dirty' :D

yet my 2 other standalones will play them cos they ain't as fussy

it's probably been implemented as a backup copy protection as all original DVD's and authored will play back no probs

but 'doctored' are a different story and must be treated with respect ;)

if the industry get wise they will probably ask manufacturer's to implent these sort of playback restrictions in future players to stop backups etc

[SidDan]

hmm, thats interesting... you think also it can determine the original vob size and really see it actually have been modified?... cus otherwise I have done a complete backup of a movie, didn´t remove anything ,not even subs and still the disc came to be dirty in HK. But that player is pretty old tho,,, maybe 2 years

[mpucoder]

Now you guys are really getting paranoid. What's happening is DVDs are very complicated, there are, literally, a million pointers per movie that must be adjusted if even the slightest change is made to the overall size. What Sony does is a more robust check, however, a properly modified DVD will pass all the checks.

Unlike the RCE, where active code in the PGCs could compare the players region code with those permitted, there is no way to check if structure has been rearranged (like comparing the sector number for the beginning of a cell)

What programs were used to make these DVDs that don't work on Sony? I'm reading more comments about DVDShrink, DVD2One, and IC producing ifo files that are incorrect in some way. Trust me, if IfoEdit dislikes the file, there is something wrong.

[SidDan]

alright, that sounded interesting. But do you have any ideas what to do tho? Maybe the ripping part is the most important process, to r e a l l y remove all checks and copy protection.

I am trying to make a "movie only" from DVD2one.. never tried it before.
But I wonder tho,... could I create ifo´s for every vobset in ifoedit, or just the movie for exampel.
....or perhaps I can create an ifo for every vob set and then run the vts sector perhaps. yes I will try that. I hope in this method the ifo´s will be pure so the player won´t detect anything faulty

[SidDan]

hmmm, ok. When I burnt The Bourne Identity the movie only from DVD2ONE it works perfectly. So I assume there must be some kind of a check at the beginning which my HK player doesn´t approve....

I guess I just burn the movie and the extra about "making of" and I´ll settle for that

[Steelfanatic]

I like making backups as simple as possible; these one-click solutions are pretty awesome compared to the VCD, SVCD days, and encoding/authoring days of early DVD-R :(

DVD2One 1.1 seems to work exceptionally well for me (great for Band Of Brothers/ Sopranos multi-episodes), I’ve done quite a few backups with it as I have a fussy Pioneer DV 353 and they work fine every time,with great quality, but, I use a simple rule of thumb:

If the movie is over 150 minutes, or has a ridiculous amount of "extras" that I never watch anyway-- I do a movie only.

Anything else, just do a full disk.

I ALWAYS use Fuji or Verbatim Media-- 2 bucks a disk at Best-Buy.

[SidDan]

ok,,
what is the easiest way to keep 2 vob sets (movie and "extra making of"?
I´d like to first strip the audio and subs in ifoedit and then creating new ifos with those 2 vobsets..... and then I´m stuck, I can´t seem to have the 2nd vob sets in the video ts ifo so I can play it like after the movie. then I rather compress the movie in IC7 for better pic quality and compress the extra alot in whatsoever...
I feel like I won´t get smarter searching for my answer....

[SidDan]

ok.. I´m changing my last reply....

I do want however to keep 2 title sets.... bit I skip the extra and rather to have like the DTS logo screen to appear before the movie... that requires ofcourse it is set to default, otherwise DD 5.1 is the default. And while we are at it... would like also to have my langiage subs on default also. tricky but neaty

I guess I just skip the menues and all cus it´s an ars getting it to work with my player

any smart ideas?

[edjanx]

Steelfanatic,

I had a hard drive failure last week and lost my DVD2one version 1.1.1. Now that I'm back up and have downloaded 1.1.2, it looks like there is a bug that glitches some movies, like the Sopranos which I'm trying to do. Could you or another kind soul from this board consider emailing a zipped copy (damn outlook *hates* executables) of 1.1.1, so I can get on with my buring obsessions? :-) I am an officialy licensed user, but DVD2One won't make previous versions availiable for some strange reason.

kind regards,
Ed Janx
http://janx.com