DVD95Copy Version 1.4 officially out plus 1.5b1 beta

[abatis]

Arriving this morning in my email was version 1.4 of DVD95Copy. The new features include:
From Digi:
find attached a new version of Dvd95Copy.
- Added option for selective TitleSet compression.
- Added option to select no compression for TitleSets.
- Added option to select compression for Menus seperatly
- Added option to select audio and subtitle removment for all TitleSets.
- Added: Full and Wide screen of each TitleSet is now displayed.
- fixed again some audio & subpic problems.
- Added option to set the final DVD-R size.

http://www.dvd95copy.com/

From the dvd95 forum - an update
v1.5b1 a preview has been added and support to burn after transcoding is finished using CopyToDVD. We will keep you postedas people report.

[MackemX]

:confused:, has it been updated again already?

I'm sure I did a guide on the 1.4 version a couple of days ago

is this the same one HERE (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/DVD95Copy/dvd95copy1.htm) or is this an upgrade of 1.4?

[Antonio S.]

@MisterX:

Maybe you are a BETA tester...

But this is the official release of DVD95Copy version 1.4...

Antonio S.

[MackemX]

I'm sure a full 1.4 version was released on Friday to some users with these features instead of the beta version that they had requested, but is this another version in the emails or just the same?

I should check my emails properly cos I missed the one I got this morning with a 'new' 1.4 version :confused:, Digimedic crashed on Sunday, but I got one before that also so maybe he didn't get them all out before the crash?

no doubt 1.5 will be out this Friday :), hopefully including a title removal feature or even better still a VOB ID removal tool :eek:

the basic guide is there for newbies in my sig if you need pointers

[abatis]

The email header from Digi stated "Dvd95Copy v1.4 update"

I never beta tested or asked for 1.4 therefore I assume this is for the masses.:)

MisterX thanks for the guides I will check it out.

[herrde]

@MisterX:

Just read your guide on DVD95COPY...

Question: I don't get this "fit to DVD-R" thing in the sizing dialogue (don't have the program yet to find out by myself)...

Can you do the resizing on the Extras only or on the main movie as well? And does it say somewhere to what percentage the main movie is compressed? Or how does this work?

Thanx,

G.

[MackemX]

you set the size you wanna put on your blank and say the menu/extras come to 1000MB and you have allocated 4482MB (I want 4489 but it won't let me :(), then the title (not the menu) that has fit to DVD-R will be allocated 3382MB

it would be nice if it had an estimation of the fit to DVD-R size but it's not always a perfect reduction due to the content of menu/extras as some cannot be compressed to the exact level and it is calculated after the menu/extras & other titles have been processed

but an estimation would be nice and I'm sure someone has asked for it, if not just post it on the DVD95Copy board and I'm sure he have it in the next version or so

I'll update the guide, cos there are a few other things to watch out for :)

good spot :)

[MackemX]

people were getting the full version of 1.4 as he stated here
http://www.dvd-backup.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=430 and I posted on DVDHelp that 1.4 was out but I mustn't have posted here, sorry cos you cudda had it b4 the crash :(

looks like a lucky few got the 1st full 1.4 version, cos the one I've got is exactly the same name/size but just needed a new reg

it may have something extra and hopefully it has but I doubt it cos he's been sorting his system out

keep an eye out on the forum if you wanna get updates first and I'll post next time I see news like that :)

p.s.
if your lucky enough to have IC also, you can use that to encode your main movie to roughly what you would get using DVD95Copy and copy menu/extras at 100% (removing relevant audio/subs also maintaining mapping) and then run the IC resulting files through DVD95Copy but set the option for the main title to no recompression so you get top quality main movie from IC mated with the excellent compression of DVD95Copy for menu/extras and it all fits into 4.37Gb

I did this manually before with Ifoupdate but now you just do it with a few clicks, ok so it takes an hour extra for movie from IC but if you are fussy bowt movie quality then this is for you

[digisei]

@MisterX

I´m reading your posts stating that IC yields a better quality than dvd95copy with astonishment.
I thought it was well discussed and found that dvd95 does a much better job encoding than IC.
I myself did a few tests that proove that. I only used the first test version of IC though. Has there been any improvement in encoding quality for IC so the mentioned comparisions are no longer valid?

Greetings digisei

[MackemX]

where has it been well discussed that DVD95Copy did a much better job encoding? :confused:

prepare to be amazed again cos there's been no improvement at all :)

basically if you give 5GB of video-only to both programs and allocate 3.5GB to each which would be a 70% compression setting, I can tell you now I know which will be better quality and if you don't see it then not to be nasty in any way at all, but it's either your perception of quality or the means you are viewing the images or a combination of both (2.35:1 are actually debatable when higher than a certain percentage)

it's when you compare a 1:1 IC backup against a DVD95Copy 1:1 backup thats when quality results can change and you get differences of opinion cos DVD95Copy actually allocates more than 3.5Gb to the 5GB video-only cos it's brilliant at squashing menu/extras and increases available space

seeing as IC undersizes it's really compressing it to say 65% whereas DVD95Copy increases and compresses to 75%, which will result in different picture quality and differences of opinion

but if your result is actually a compression of 75% (disregard original setting) with IC then again you will see the difference :D, so that's why I use IC for the main movie and DVD95Copy to do menu/extras on most occasions now

IC's engine quality is better than all the other one button click progs if it compresses the video by the same amount and this has been shown a few times, by myself/mrbass/Demi9OD etc and it's in between CCE & them, nearer CCE

it's upto you whether you see it or not, but believe me it's there and at certain compression levels it more apparent

If IC produced 4.37GB like the others, I bet most people who ain't fussed about getting results in 15mins and prefer quality with either minimum effort/expense/knowledge would use it

but that day ain't come yet, so you still gotta babysit the darn thing but when it's under control, it's one good thing baby to look after ;)

p.s.

[yomper]

I prefer instant copy 7 as i have tried a few films with both proggys and i only averaged a file 4.24 gig with instant copy as i wasn't brave enough to oversize to much and i also done the same dvd with several other apps which made nearer 4.38 and ic7 wins easily even though it was slightly smaller in the end product.

[Richk50]

The reason DVD95Copy is so accurate on sizing is because it uses a uniform compression factor. InstantCopy is variable, using at least a third of its time judging the quality of each macroblock.
InstantCopy should run 2 passes. It would take longer but solve a lot of problems.

[abatis]

http://www.dvd-backup.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=537

poyda69

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:06 am Post subject: DVDXCOPY V DVD95COPY

Digimedic better pull his finger out and drop the price of his program OR make it a hell of a lot better cos "321 STUDIO's" is bringing out DVDXCOPY EXPRESS & PLATUNIM VERSIONS out.
READ BELOW
DVD X COPY Express will be released first. DXC Express is a new product from 321 Studios that will fit a DVD9 onto one DVD5.

In addition, all customers in good standing on release date, will receive a FREE download copy of the Express product while we continue to develop and improve the Platinum technology.

DXC Express will NOT include menus or special features, but will provide the ability to "squeeze" a DVD9 movie onto ONE DVD5 with superb video quality and lightning fast encoding times.

Platinum Features:
Super Fast, Patent Pending Encoding to Fit ALL DVD-9 contents including menu, special features and movie to ONE DVDR(-+) with virtually no perceptible quality loss in video!

The above is user optional only. DXC Platinum will still continue

:p To all this DIgi Writes :p

DigiMedic
Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Posts: 141

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2003 9:48 am Post subject:

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[Scarpad]

Yeah I'm amazed with the Quality of IC, I did Drumline resizing the extras and it all undersized to 4.19 GB. But booting the disk up on my 65" WS I was floored with just how good it looked. Even movie only on DVD2One produced some pulsating patterns that are not there on the IC version. IC just has to be babysat and finagled with.

[jzaman]

Originally posted by Richk50
The reason DVD95Copy is so accurate on sizing is because it uses a uniform compression factor. InstantCopy is variable, using at least a third of its time judging the quality of each macroblock.
InstantCopy should run 2 passes. It would take longer but solve a lot of problems.

I think that Richk50 has made a valid point. One of the problems solved would be the mis-sizing. For example, DVD2DVD-R with CCE zeros in at 4.34-4.37gb at the second pass. With IC the initial analysis period can be reduced and applied at the second pass stage for both a quality improvement analysis and a more accurate size prediction. Then IC can also be a high quality 6gb+ movie only copy vehicle coming very close to CCE with at least a 1 hour savings (2 hours versus 3.5 hours) or a cleaner full movie copy with very acceptable quality. Pinnacle can also include a one pass or two pass selection option for the speed freaks.

[MackemX]

I've asked for the 2 pass from IC and I've even asked Pinnacle about implementing it, tho I doubt we'll ever see it :(

speed seems to be a big issue with a few people, so using IC for 4-5 hours never mind 1-2 hours, will not appeal to the speed freaks at all, even if the quality is much better than the faster transcoders

quality ain't an issue for some people but speed is, so Pinnacle probably won't do a 2 pass cos it won't appeal to masses cos even now it doesn't!

I do hope I'm proven wrong tho cos it appeals to me :)

[jzaman]

Originally posted by MackemX
I've asked for the 2 pass from IC and I've even asked Pinnacle about implementing it, tho I doubt we'll ever see it :(
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MackemX:

My thread on DVD2DVD-R is coming to a close so I began playing again with IC for movie only copies. I completed RED DRAGON earlier with Main Movie only (set the main title at 4.38gb) with a final size of 4.43gb that burned surprisingly OK on a Ritek 4x disk. The refreshing thing about IC unlike DVD2DVD-R/NTSC DVD copies is the transcoder accuracy with all the flags and settings. It looks comparable to my DVD2DVD-R version so I am wondering if the size calculations and tweaking that you are known for is different for Movie Only copies with IC. Any tips or warnings would be highly valued.

[MackemX]

all the calculations are for is to compensate for black bars so it works just the same for movie only, apart from some 2.35:1

only the bigger 2.35:1 movies seem to fill 4.37Gb but even then they are greatly undersized

I sometimes have to do 2 runs with a 2.35:1 to see how it's gonna undersize

A strange thing was The Matrix I did yesterday

Original movie 4.73Gb, set to 4.56Gb and came out 4.24Gb :confused:

didnt undersize by as much as other 2.35:1's

no explaination yet why it did this and I can't be ar$ed anymore cos I just use DVD95Copy to tidy up IC's mess

I just wish Pinnacle would sort it cos it's been a long time now

[jzaman]

Originally posted by MackemX

no explaination yet why it did this and I can't be ar$ed anymore cos I just use DVD95Copy to tidy up IC's mess
I just wish Pinnacle would sort it cos it's been a long time now
I'm sure you don't waste a disk to find out the final size. Do you convert the PDI files to vobs (video_TS structure)with PDItool? Is there anything lost in the translation either in iso mode or file mode converting from PDI via PDItool?

[MackemX]

I normally use PDITool, but I could just as easily use PDI2ISO to create files that DVD95Copy can read and work with

not so sure what you mean about working out the final size tho?

the PDI files are slightly larger than the extracted files (1048kb or somits stupid)

[jzaman]

Originally posted by MackemX
not so sure what you mean about working out the final size tho?


In the past I would burn directly to disk with IC and not know until after the burn how close to 4.38 gb it sized to. By saving it to my hard drive and then converting with PDItool, etc. it is more versatile. I guess I was waiting for IC to get away from it's proprietary format. Is there any penalties during the conversion from PDI's to VOB's such as quality loss, etc.?

[MackemX]

Originally posted by jzaman
Is there any penalties during the conversion from PDI's to VOB's such as quality loss, etc.? not that I know of

I would never use IC to burn cos I would wanna check the DVD 1st and if you wanna burn, just use DVDDecrypter to burn it as long as it's under the magic 4.38Gb barrier :)

if not use PDI2ISO then burn cos it's faster than PDITOOL

I include menu's and some extras so I normally extract with PDITOOL and fiddle with it to fully utilise the 4489MB available

I've also asked Pinnacle about an output VIDEO_TS folder option so maybe, just maybe they will listen