New DVD 9 to 5 program: DVD Shrink 1.02

[Antonio S.]

DVD Shrink 1.02

First was DVD2one...
Second was Pinnacle InstantCopy...
Third was DVD95Copy...

And now there is DVD Shrink 1.02...Does anyone try it?
I think it is a similar program that re-encodes and strip streams in order to make a 1:1 DVD copy. The best of all is that is FREE.

More information here:http://www.dvdr-digest.com/software/software.php?file=dvdshrink

Antonio S.

[MackemX]

got some interesting features

nice one Antonio S.

get it while you can, bet it ain't free for long :D

[jdobbs]

Whoah! I downloaded this and did a quick look. I'll have to check out the quality etc. before making a judgement, but this looks really good at first glance. Fast too. The options are even impressive...

[MackemX]

you can select loadsa stiff, the bummer is I'm testing it with Blade and it's got 59 menu's :(, gonna take me ages to select it but I like it so far :)

EDIT
DOH, I went the reauthor route

this has how many options :confused: :D

[MackemX]

DVD2One speed by the looks of things and you can flick the preview on and off while its working :)

I couldn't get it lower than 4.44Gb tho :confused:

1st impressions on quality is the annoying pulsing in the background :(, tho this is 1st impression by the way using Level 4

[jdobbs]

It is very, very fast. The quality looks to be about the same as DVD2one. I'm about to run AVISYNTH on it to see what kind of signal to noise ratio I get. All in all I'd say this guy just made a few $49 packages obsolete... I'll have to explore the options some more.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by jdobbs
All in all I'd say this guy just made a few $49 packages obsolete... I'll have to explore the options some more.
LOL :D, it is very fast, just done a complete DVD in 15 mins but the quality suffers a little for it, similar to DVD2One, though not that bad on my TV compared to PC

It has some very interesting features too and no doubt they will be fully explained in the future, but it also has a neat set of help files included to get you by for now

no doubt it will evolve just like the rest of them and at this price you cannot complain

so 10/10 :D and grab it while you cos it won't last long at this price

[int 21h]

This program is interesting... one of its interesting features:

Technical Note on Stream Removal

For those who are interested, DVD Shrink uses an advanced method of removing audio and subpicture streams from the target DVD. When a stream is removed, it is not merely removed from the VOB files, but also from the navigation structures at the VTS, VMG and PGC levels. Remaining stream ID numbers are re-mapped, and menu button commands and navigation commands executed at the PGC level are re-mapped so as to enable the correct stream numbers. Commands which enable a stream ID no longer valid, are replaced with the NOP command. This means that the target DVD should function rather well, even with streams removed.



I'm testing it now on Gladiator (Level 3)

[mrbass]

well..man....this is awesome. It can do what dvdtoolbox can do too. One thing that dvd95copy and dvd2one won't do is give the size of each stream which dvdshrink does. I just did Gone in 60 seconds and I removed French audio and it needed no compression. Took 7 mins..same time as dvdtoolbox would take. Plays perfect in PowerDVD. I also cut off the credits ..just left about a min.

Was gonna redo ic guide but that's gonna have to take a backseat to this awesome little utility. Can't wait to test the quality of the transcoding of this puppy. Let's call it our personal shrink. Also I ripped it with dvdshrink and didn't even need to use dvddecrypter.

[GooglyBear]

keep them tests/reviews coming out fellas.. quality is most important, how does that go?
cuz right now the reigning king in terms of quality is IC

and mixterx is right . ) grab it while it's still free, LOL

we're all beta testers right now :D

[int 21h]

The quality I experienced was about average, it used an approximate reduction factor of ~40% (equivalent to IC @ ~60%). I ran Avisynth's compare on some of this to get an idea of the PSNR, the output was:


Minimum Average Maximum
Mean Absolute Deviation: 0.0000 0.5486 1.3232
Mean Deviation: -0.0502 +0.1102 +0.3427
PSNR: 40.5404 51.7981 106.5268


The max of 106 appears to be an error, and it may inflate the average a bit. The average appears to be more like 46-48.

The movie itself doesn't appear to be too bad, in the noiser portions, blocking does tend to show up a little more. I haven't taken a look on the television yet, but it is very likely the pixelation is not visible on an analog set. I also did not experience any of the 'pulsating' background problems reported elsewhere in this thread.

[Sbofen]

Originally posted by MisterX
got some interesting features

nice one Antonio S.

get it while you can, bet it ain't free for long :D

I second that, how can something this nice be free?
It's good to finally see something given to the community to rival others that charge for thier programs.

[GooglyBear]

Originally posted by Sbofen
I second that, how can something this nice be free?
It's good to finally see something given to the community to rival others that charge for thier programs.

yeah but what sucks about this is some company will take what he did, put a pretty menu on it, good icons, etc etc and then market it as their own..

ultimately, i feel bad for him because they're taking his work and they'll be the ones to make money off it

[GooglyBear]

first impressions of the shrink..
pros:
1. nice speed, very nice.. rivals dvd2one :D
2. i like the fact that you can customize each vtc by itself
3. i like that the size you specify.. is the size you get.. i just did life as a house.. i was setting the compression level of the xtras to level 4, and the main movie and basically tinkering around to get a filesize of 4.36, final size was 4.365 . ) which is right on point

quality wise im not sure yet as im burning it on to a dvdrw to watch on my panasonic cp72s . )

cons:
1. can't deselect stuff.. if i want movie only and none of the xtras.. u cannot deselect it
2. quality? not sure yet..

first impressions from moi :D

[mrbass]

Originally posted by GooglyBear


cons:
1. can't deselect stuff.. if i want movie only and none of the xtras.. u cannot deselect it
2. quality? not sure yet..


what are you talking about?
I only do main movie only with this...you choose Re-author...then only add the largest size PGC (you can preview it too) and then I like to Customize Streams (I think that's what it's called) and voila you have main movie only.

DVDShrink will be ultra easy to do Band of Brothers, Simpsons, etc. because you can choose say just those two episodes or whatever and that's it. Just like int21h quoted it handles the new navigation, etc.

I did Ever After and it only took 11mins (files first were ripped to hd though). Quality...well in PowerDVD looked excellent...41% done burning to dvd-r so will report back on TV. I stripped out French audio and English commentary and it had to reduce the 5.7GB down to 4.38GB (full dvd is 6.11GB). I just choose 4.7GB DVD-5 size and it gave me 4.37GB.

I know 99% of people never read help included with programs...however, DVDShrink includes an excellent help file with screenshots and extremely thourough explanation of each option. Well worth 5 mins to read through it to get a clear understanding of DVDShrinks capabilities.

[Arianos]

What a way to wake up on a Monday morning :)
First impressions:
I just gave it my "Walking with Dinosaurs" (6.67 Gig) which crashes DVD2ONE no matter what, (it would take about 45 minutes) and took IC7 about 3,5 hours to ...finish (4,39 GB (4.721.809.408 bytes...sigh) on my P4 @ 1800:
It did it in about 27 minutes @ level 4 (41,7%).Predicted size 3.86,
came out 3.95 (AAAARGH!!) with DVD2ONE looking quality

Lots of bells and whistles :) and the preview works over a network (IC7 does not), but slows it down considerably.
Sure looks awfully lot like MisterX's dream software :), after minor improvements.
And at a price you can't say no...

[GooglyBear]

Originally posted by mrbass
what are you talking about?
I only do main movie only with this...you choose Re-author...then only add the largest size PGC (you can preview it too) and then I like to Customize Streams (I think that's what it's called) and voila you have main movie only.

DVDShrink will be ultra easy to do Band of Brothers, Simpsons, etc. because you can choose say just those two episodes or whatever and that's it. Just like int21h quoted it handles the new navigation, etc.

I did Ever After and it only took 11mins (files first were ripped to hd though). Quality...well in PowerDVD looked excellent...41% done burning to dvd-r so will report back on TV. I stripped out French audio and English commentary and it had to reduce the 5.7GB down to 4.38GB (full dvd is 6.11GB). I just choose 4.7GB DVD-5 size and it gave me 4.37GB.

I know 99% of people never read help included with programs...however, DVDShrink includes an excellent help file with screenshots and extremely thourough explanation of each option. Well worth 5 mins to read through it to get a clear understanding of DVDShrinks capabilities.

oops, forgot to say i did the other one.. full re-encode
which is what i wanted to see, how flexible it is on a FULL dvd
not "movie only"
anyhows the quality was .. worse than dvd2one
i'll do the re-author way tomorrow and see

but yeah this thing is chock full of options

[GooglyBear]

btw mrbass since you've already gone re-author movie only way.. how is it quality-wise? :D let us know please

edit: and i meant in an actual dvd player, not powerdvd, i do read posts, heh :P hrmpf

[mrbass]

Well I just finished watching the entire Ever After movie (and yes the layer break was not removed...I'm glad it isn't too) with my wife..it's close to 1am now and I didn't notice any macro blocks (and yes there are a few really dark scenes too) or pulsating effects so looks go so far. That's a 5.7GB --> 4.37GB so I'll have to do it on a longer movie (size wise). I was about to totally redo ic7 guide and basically rip movie only with dvdtoolbox and recommend anything that exceeded 5.8GB process with IC7. However, anything between 4.37GB and 5.8GB I was gonna recommended to transcode with dvd2one. I am quite happy with dvd2one when it's within that range so I'll see if the same range holds true with DVDShrink. (so far based on one movie it's looking good IMHO). I want to do a dvd2one and dvdshrink screenshot comparison...maybe throw in IC7 too.

[Pstelios]

Well, i transcoded Sex and the city Season 3 disc 2
Results: Better than dvd2one for only 1 reason....
I could exclude 5 languages and 6 subtitles.
And the best of all...
It's much faster than dvd2one since you don't need extra time for ripping!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :D :D

[PeterMac]

While this program is the most professional looking I've seen of this type, it has one drawback for me. I cannot create a re-authored DVD with menus. If I leave out any title sets, I can only play what's left sequentially. To get menus, I must re-encode the whole disc. True, I can tinker with audio/subtitle settings and optionally drop some of those, but that's not enough.
Perhaps the excellent author - whoever he or she may be - will be able to add this later. When that's done, the program will be invincible!

-Pete

[gdmartin]

Originally posted by Antonio S.
DVD Shrink 1.02

First was DVD2one...
Second was Pinnacle InstantCopy...
Third was DVD95Copy...

And now there is DVD Shrink 1.02...Does anyone try it?
I think it is a similar program that re-encodes and strip streams in order to make a 1:1 DVD copy. The best of all is that is FREE.

More information here:http://www.dvdr-digest.com/software/software.php?file=dvdshrink

Antonio S.


I tried to download the program but so far I had no luck. Seeing this is a FREE program, can someone who has it, put it in the download section of the forum?

[Indo]

disable your firewall and download again

[mck3nzi3]

Anyone can post a mirror...from dvd-r digest I can't donwload it !
Since the program is freeware anyone can send it on my mail mckenzie@freemail.it

More thanx!

[Indo]

it's in your mailbox

Indo

[scying]

I cannot download the program dvdshrink from the dvddigest website. Would appreciate reciving the program in mail from someone who has it already. Thanks.



S.C. Ying

[scying]

OOps! Forgot to include my email address in my last message.


ying@physics.brown.edu

[MackemX]

for those who can't get it, there's a link at VCDhelp

LINK (http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=152198)

hosted by a guy called Porto

[MackemX]

I've uploaded it up for people who can't get it

LINK (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/DVDShrink.zip)

NJOY :D

[poweroftheplum]

I tested this out on Reign of Fire (PAL region 4)

Has anyone been able to add a menu and just the movie? I selected all the menus (wich you have to add one by one)but when i tested the end product the menu had obviously remapped itself wrong. It seems to be stuck in 'scene select', clicking anywhere brings it back to 'scene select'.

The main movie came out wonderful at level 1 (23%), but i prefer to have menus with my movies. Anyone else had any luck?


j.


EDIT: i think i may have to just add the WARNING/COPYRIGHT intros. Ill try it again.

[mpucoder]

Tried this out myself last night, it's good, but has a few quirks. The movie I chose has a main movie of 5.3G. First I did re-author to select the main movie AND menu (there's a checkbox). Since the movie would not fit the program then brought me to re-encode, did a scan of the movie, and offered me 4 compression ratios. None of these was what I wanted, and I saw no way to change it, so I took the least compression that would fit. This resulted in a 3.9G DVD, with NO menu.
I haven't viewed the entire movie yet, but what I saw was quite acceptable. The re-encoding took about 14 minutes on a Athlon XP 1700+, less than the time to burn.

I had already ripped this movie to HD, so I don't know if the program can decrypt. Has anyone tried using a DVD as source?

[poweroftheplum]

The check box just brings up the menus in the pull down list, from wich you then have to select one by one. Wich is a pain in the anus :P because i dont know about your eyesite but i cant really make out anything in the preview scroller.

I selected everything with menu in it, but my menu seems to of been put back together wrong.


j.

I need a few extra videos i think, like the warning video and the touchstone intro. But im lost and i have a headache, i think i might go to bed and just IC this movie (Reign of fire PAL reg4). :|

[mrbass]

freakin awesome....in this case better than dvdtoolbox. Remember the Titans NTSC R1. If I were to strip out all audio except English 5.1 I would get 4.48G. Well I can do same thing with dvdshrink...bonus is I left about 1 min of credits and cut out the rest which brings dvd down to 4.24GB and 'no compression'. Sweet total time to process it was 6 mins.

BTW, dvdshrink uses different transcoding algorithms than dvd2one and dvd95copy. They seem to do a bitrate reduction based on each frame (I have no idea just guessing) but that's probably how they achieve a exact 4.36GB.

quote from dvdshrink:
The re-encode interface - there is a need for finer control of the encode level. I'll look into it. Actually I only have one re-encode algorithm. The level determines which pictures it operates on:

Level 1 = light compression of b-pictures
Level 2 = heavier compression of b-pictures
Level 3 = Level 2 + compression of P-pictures
Level 4 = Level 3 + compression of I-pictures

Anyway I did a movie with main movie only + 5.1 audio is 6.36GB and I had to choose level 3 which brought it down to 3.85GB. Looks mighty good on PowerDVD and I couldn't see any macroblocks. I'm gonna do a dvd2one comparison and see how it stacks up to 4.36GB dvd2one encode of the same movie.

So far Level 3 looks pretty good...I don't know if Level 4 would look good or not...have to try it.

[Antonio S.]

@mrbass:

This "level" options is the weakness of this program. It is very annoyng, especially when one level compress too much and the next one doesn't compress enough. To solve this, he must add more levels to choose from, or add a variable compress option (to choose the exact value to fill completely a DVD-R). Also it is needed a lower "level" of compression (60-70% for the extras), leaving more space for the main title.

Antonio S.

[mrbass]

For me it's to early to tell. It could end of being it's strength. It'll have more of a uniform quality throughout the entire movie. People (raise their voices) because I pick out certain frames of a movie in dvd2one that show macroblocks like crazy and they say that doesn't represent how it looks overall. I'll attempt to do the same with dvdshrink and pick see if I can't find macroblocks too.

Also dvd95copy and dvd2one use around 30% CPU while DVDShrink uses close to 100%. So there is definitely something different (algorithms) etc. Dvd95copy nor dvd2one will reveal exactly which algorithms they use (proprietary company secret) while dvdshrink has already stated the computational formulas and algorithms he uses.

[int 21h]

The difference in compression levels explains that Compare() output I got then. The I frames weren't being recompressed at level 3, so they had 0 difference in them.

[GooglyBear]

Originally posted by mrbass
Well I just finished watching the entire Ever After movie (and yes the layer break was not removed...I'm glad it isn't too) with my wife..it's close to 1am now and I didn't notice any macro blocks (and yes there are a few really dark scenes too) or pulsating effects so looks go so far. That's a 5.7GB --> 4.37GB so I'll have to do it on a longer movie (size wise). I was about to totally redo ic7 guide and basically rip movie only with dvdtoolbox and recommend anything that exceeded 5.8GB process with IC7. However, anything between 4.37GB and 5.8GB I was gonna recommended to transcode with dvd2one. I am quite happy with dvd2one when it's within that range so I'll see if the same range holds true with DVDShrink. (so far based on one movie it's looking good IMHO). I want to do a dvd2one and dvdshrink screenshot comparison...maybe throw in IC7 too.

yeah, when i went to sleep last night at 3 am i fired off a re-author movie only for life as a house..

the re-encode as i said sucked, but movie only was actually pretty good.. so im going to try to do a side-by-side comparison of ic, dvd2one and this one movie only..

i have to say though.. if peeps only want to do the movie.. my god it's like CAKE usig the shrink.. it's an all in one package! literally no need for dvddecrypter even

edit: i think for movie-only peeps this may be the champion as it is an all-in-one package and the quality is fairly decent (no blocks for life as a house which shows up immediately, otherwise)

but for me, i want to maximize the movie.. and keep the menus too, xtras can go away.. so for me, i think the dvdtoolbox-IC combo is the way to go.. or just IC since i have yet to tinker with dvdtoolbox . )

[valnar]

Based on the compression levels, its enough to keep me away from this program indefinitely. How good can it look when you compress only some frames and not others? Even if they are only B-frames, that certainly would give it the pixel-pulsating effect that commonly plagues DVD2One.

IC still wins for me.

-Robert

[MackemX]

Originally posted by mpucoder
so I took the least compression that would fit. This resulted in a 3.9G DVD, with NO menu
I had already ripped this movie to HD, so I don't know if the program can decrypt. Has anyone tried using a DVD as source?

I came across that when I couldnt get it lower than 4.44Gb unless I went lower than 4Gb, so obviously I had to go lower to level 4 (48%) and cos I was doing a complete 1:1 unlike people who have done movie & menu I ended up with very poor quality from an already poor source (Blade 1), which resulted in the annoying pulsating background probably from the compression method which was more apparent on my TFT and less apparent on TV but still noticable

yes it does work direct from DVD (dunno if this will last long due to legalities) and did quite a good job of Blade 2, but again I could not get anywhere near 4.37Gb, it was either 4.52Gb (level 3) or 3.98Gb (Level 4) which suffered badly

Of course this will be sorted and overall it looks very promising and for movie only there is nothing that can touch it as most people will be using the higher levels and can do it direct from the DVD

no doubt the author will be getting feedback and improve on the already excellent promising features

IC & DVD95Copy will still do it for me for now, but I'll keep an eye on for this and no doubt there will be more & more popping up and we will all be spoilt for choice

[muralin]

is it possible to remove specific cells, chapters, or vob ids of a movie with this program?

[Latief]

Is it possible to replace unwanted extra's with a 1 second black screen? With this option, a menu/dvd structure could be maintained along with a maximum main movie quality.

[krackato]

Yeah, one of these programs really needs to start adding 1 second black video to preserve the file structure. I've learned to do it in ifoedit, but hey, the less I have to do the better.

I must say though, it was sweet to just put the disc in and have it rip the final version without having to rip the entire disc to the harddrive first. Someone said that it'll kill your dvd-rom drive, but hey, they're like $25 now.

[aaron10]

This has a lot of promise but neeeds tweaking (as mentioned by others) to include a compression level that "fills out" a DVD-5.

I just did Ghost Ship 1:1 and could either create a 4.8 transcoded rendition or a 3.66 rendition. Unfortunately, one is too big for a DVD-5 and the other wastes a lot of valuable DVD-5 real estate, producing a lower quality than necessary main movie.

[mrbass]

how many of you are doing a 1:1 with dvd2one on long movies? If you are I think your crazy. Only one that you should attempt to do a 1:1 copy with is IC or DVD95Copy. Both of those you can specify the extras, trailers, etc. compression level. I'm not gonna even say how many SVCD backups I've done but I was totally satisfied with stereo sound and CCE 4 pass video encoding. Movie only is a decent enough backup for me.

Anyway I'm doing Alien 1,2,3, and 4 today (at work) and I love being able to cut out some of the credits. I'm getting an additional 120 to 200MB or more sometimes of additional space because of it. I haven't tried level 4 but just based on comments I don't think I'll try. Question is does Level 3 look good or not? So far on about 3 or 4 movies I've done with PowerDVD it does but I need more time to analyze it and compare, etc.

[SniperKilla]

well it already managed to do something the other 3 programs couldent do, it did teckademics mischief 3000, the other 3 crashed.

dvd2one - said movie was encrypted
dvd95copy - said error repacking
Instant Copy - crashed durring encoding
Dvd Shrink - did the entire movie in 1 hour

it dosent look TOO bad, i had todo at compression level 4, because it was 7.60gb, with 2.06gb of extras.

it is very watchable, and it actually worked! :)

those on about the no menus even clicking the button in re author, click the help button and read what it says about the button, it will tell you what its for.

http://members.verizon.net/~vze4dt3c/dvdshrink.jpg

[aaron10]

You really have to love the accuracy of DVD95Copy when it comes to transcoding 1:1 and filling out a DVD-5. I just did the aforementioned Ghost Ship w/ it and it hit the mark with a 4.35 finished product.

[rpboy]

Originally posted by SniperKilla
well it already managed to do something the other 3 programs couldent do, it did teckademics mischief 3000, the other 3 crashed.

dvd2one - said movie was encrypted
Instant Copy - crashed durring encoding
I had this same problem on several movies as well. I just re-ripped them in File Mode with SmartRipper using a technique that was posted here (and in other forums) and then both DVD2One and InstantCopy worked fine on them.

It appeared as if a few blocks were still encrypted (or marked as encrypted anyway) which was causing the problem.

[kalvnhobbz]

Doesn't look like it lets you remove restrictions like IC does, though. (i.e. skipping past the FBI warning sign).

[mrbass]

lemme say this again for those two lazy to read the help file

Don't use dvdshrink for 1:1 if you have to choose Level 4 compression you won't be too happy. If level 3 then go for it but I always shoot for the highest level if possible for video quality.
DVDShrink supposedly does either 1:1 (the full thing) or you can add main movie and say one or two extras and I guess they'd start after the main movie was done. I'll try this out so I'll know it does what I think it does.

It's not like Instant Copy where you can deselect various VTS.

[MackemX]

using the author mode, if you add PGC's and no menu's, it just creates new titlesets (VTS_0x_1.VOB) for each PGC that play one after the other

if you keep menus & PGC's it again just makes a titleset (VTS_0x_1.VOB)for each PGC/Menu you keep

it maintains chapters within the PGC's but there are no actual menus, just titlesets that run one after the other

so if you keep 5 menu's and 8 PGC's you end up with 13 titlesets (VTS_01_1.VOB to VTS_13_1.VOB)