DVD Overburning is it Possible?

[-y]

I have a DVD-R disk that a friend gave to me and it has 6.1 GB of the DVD movie. The movie plays fine in the following stand alone DVD Players Pioneer DV-C503D and, Panasonic DMR-E30. He used DVD Decrypter to rip and burn the movie. The DVD burner is a CenDyne DVD 2X model and the DVD-R disk is a generic 1X disk. I have not tried this with my Sony DRU500A but now I am curious if overburning would work for me.

[TelemachusMH]

Even though I don't have a dvd burner (Soon hopefully) I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I ask how your friend did it? :rolleyes: Also, I will ask these next questions to everyone sense I doubt you know.

How much space can be used on an overburnt dvd? How compadible are these discs with dvd-roms and standalones?

Thanks for the info,
TelemachusMH

[alexnoe]

Including leadin and leadout, there's something like 4600 MB on a DVD-R disc. Maybe there's a bit more, as on CD-R, but 6.1 GB cannot be.

Besides that, which dvd recorder accepts a SET DVD STRUCTURE command, if the LBA is out of range?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

DVD-R/-RW wouldnt allow you to reserve a track of that size either.
DVD+R/+RW (where the reserve track command isnt needed) would just bomb out with a 'logical block out of range'.

So basically, your mate has done something very very weird!

[RB]

Guys, remember it's April 1st :)

[alexnoe]

Shouldn't jokes made on April 1st be less obvious?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Not when there are so many clueless newbies around!
This sort of thing it actually quite common!

[atreides93]

I really hate april 1st!!!
Ever since someone told me they were going to have a new star trek series based on the original crew and I got all excited about it.

[-y]

This is not an April fools day joke. I have this disk and it has 6.1GB of movie on it. All the guy did was rip the Movie (MIB II) with DVD Decrypter and burn with DVD Decrypter. I cannot think of a way to show you Proof of this. But if anyone has a way that I can prove it... just write it down in this thread and I will try to make that request possible. However there are some people talking about this over at dvdrhelp.com in there formus as well; just do a search for DVD overbuning. I live in Dallas if that helps any one and I am willing to show them the disk in person.

[alexnoe]

Insert the disc, load DVD Decryptor and make a screenshot of the media info

[tingwc]

I live in Carrollton. 20 miles north of Dallas. Come show me. email me, I would like to know how this is possible.

[-y]

Help. I have never made a screen shot before. With what program can I make a Screen shot.

To the person in Carrolton no problem just send me a private message with your e-mail address and I will e-mail you and set up a time and place to let you check it out.

It's getting late here and I have to go to work in the morning I will try to get the information up as soon as possible. I will not be able to check this thread until April 03, 2003 about 10:00pm or so.

Please be patient with me I am no computer wiz.

[TelemachusMH]

To make a screenshot of the whole screen just push the Print screen button on your keyboard. If you just want the current active window push alt-Print Screen. They will put the picture on the clipboard where you can paste into paint and save as a jpeg. Then you can post it on the site and after a moderator aproves it, we will all be able to see it. :)

TelemachusMH

[bezerk]

take a breath, think about it, don't fall for it.

[waldok]

I personally suceeded in making 100 movies (435 GB) fit on one single DVD-R yesterday.

Gee, when I hit the table by accident, the whole movie pile fell on the ground !

Scientifically speaking, I think the only limit to how many Gigabytes of movies you can fit on a single DVD-R is your roof height.

Waldok:cool:

[tingwc]

my email is tingwc@NOSPAM.myrealbox.com. (remove the NOSPAM). Email me and I'll come over to check your "overburned DVD-r".. what part of dallas are you in.

[TelemachusMH]

Like I said before, I don't have a DVD-burner. So, it doesn't matter to me if it is true or not. I don't think it is true, but Might as well help him 'prove' it.

TelemachusMH

[-y]

T0: tingwc I sent you an e-mail I hope when you see this DVD-R disk you can help me prove that this is real.


When I get home tonight April 02, 2003. I will try to upload a screen shot of this disks capacity; around midnight Central Standard Time. I do not have a DVD-ROM drive at work.


To the rest of the people reading this thread I did not believe that this was possible either. I am still having a hard time accepting that this is true (until I can duplicate this myself). I do not know the exact way my friend used DVD Decrypter to burn the disk (I am going to investigate this). I can understand why people are making fun of me. Heck, even I would be firing off some jabs if someone said they overburned a DVD-R to 6.1GB capacity. I am willing to do everything in my power to prove that this disk is real. Hopefully I will try to duplicate another overburned DVD-R as soon as possible.

If I am wrong I have enough intregrity to admit that I screwed up and will post what I did wrong.

[-y]

I am trying to insert the image file (jpg) into the text of this post but I am doing something wrong with this vB code. I have never added any images to a post before. Below is what happens when I try to insert a picture. Yes I have read the help on the vB Code.

http://c:\temp\2.jpg

Any way DVD Decrypter in file mode says that the disk has 51 files and 6,450,164KB

In ISO Mode it reads

Device Information:
Current Profile: DVD-ROM

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 2,097,151
Size: 4,294,965,248 bytes
Time: 466:04:01 (MM:SS:FF)

Physical Format Information:
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: 10.08Mbps
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track

I do not know why in file mode it reads much higher in size than ISO mode.

As soon as someone helps me out on this image problem I will post the screen shots of DVD Decrypter. If someone wants to private message me and give me their e-mail address I will email the jpegs.

I talked to the guy who did this and he says that he ripped and burned the disk in ISO mode (used the buttons DVD to Hard drive and Hard drive to DVD) he has the cendyne DVD burner that shows up in the Hardware Properties in Windows as the pioneer AO5 drive.

[RB]

Originally posted by -y
Sectors: 2,097,151
Size: 4,294,965,248 bytes
Time: 466:04:01 (MM:SS:FF)


And how is that equal to 6,450,164 KB?

[tingwc]

lol. This guy has no idea what he's talking about. He send me two pictures, one in ISO mode that lists the size as 4,294,965,248 bytes. OK buddy that's 6 gigs. Then he shows me FILE mode where the sum of the sizes is clearly less than 6 gigs. What in the world are you smoking, man?

[waldok]

-Y, time to be clearer cause you are severely being laughed at.
Where did you see this 6GB information ? I'm serious, not laughing at you, maybe you should precisely indicate what you think seems to indicate "6GB" in the DVDDEcrypter messages, so we try to explain.

I can't see any such evidence for the moment in the information you posted. Only usual stuff I see.

Give some more info.

Waldok

:cool:

[-y]

I'm sorry that I am wrong but when I look at the disk in windows explorer it says in the properties 6,607,828,992 bytes 6.15GB. I guess I screwed up I did say in an earlier post that I'm no Computer Wiz. But instead of burning me at the stake.... Can someone explain this to me? I'm confused as why windows explorer says 6,607,828,992 bytes 6.15GB and DVD Decrypter says 4,294,965,248 bytes in ISO read mode. Also why does DVD decrypter when I select file mode I can select 51 files that total 6,450,164 KB. Does 6,450,164 KB/1024 = 6,298.98 MB or 6.298 GB??? Please Help.


Thanks and once again I am sorry. Please forgive me for my lack of knowledge.

[-y]

Ok, I put in a store bought DVD of My Big Fat Greek Wedding in my Pioneer DVD-ROM Drive 106s. Ripped it to my hard drive in DVD Decrypter's ISO mode. This left a file that is reported in windows explorer as "MY_BIG_FAT_GREEK_WEDDING.ISO" the file size is 7.74 GB (8,316,026,880 bytes) as shown when I right click on the file and choose properties. I then fired up DVD Decrypter and burned this ISO file to a DVD+RW disk. The writing process had to be canceled because the writer stoped writing at 4,700,372,992 bytes.

Then I played the DVD in my computer using Power DVD and the widescreen version (VTS_01_1.VOB, VTS_01_2.VOB, VTS_01_3.VOB, VTS_01_4.VOB) plays fine however the full screen version (VTS_02_1,2,3,4.VOB) makes it to the 3rd chapter and freezes.

But if I look at the files on the disk it tells me that all of the files are there and the disk size reports in windows explorer as 8,316,024,832 bytes and 7.74 GB or DVD Decrypters file mode says 16 files and 8,120,526 KB. But clearly there is only 4,700,372,992 bytes on this disk due to the fact that most of the full screen version does not play.


I cannot explain this but I think DVD Decrypter is doing something weird. Can someone help me understand this???

Anyone can try this it took me about 1.25 hrs to finish this litte experiment.

This proves that DVD Overbuning with a DVD+RW disk and my Sony DRU500A is clearly not possible.

[waldok]

This is a very normal behavior. I'll try to explain it with "simple" words.
The original DVD is a dual layer disc and thus can contain the 7gig you mention. Windows Explorer will appropriately report it and so will DVD Decrypter once the image is created.

Now if you rip it and try to burn the image directly to a DVD-R, burning process will start, write all information on the DVD concerning the global size (7GB)of the files it is going to burn (let's call this the "disc header" , and start burning. Problem is DVD-R won't hold more than 4.35GB (single layer), and process will abruptly stop when the disc is full and eject the disc. The "header" information that was written at burn start will remain, and it corresponds to the movie you wanted to burn (7GB). Windows explorer will read this info when asked to report about DVD-R capacity hence the wrong information displayed.

Such a DVD is not valid, better throw it to the garbage...Won't play in a standalone player I think.

No big mystery in your little adventure, just "usual" stuff :D

I hope this will make things clearer to you.

Welcome to the DVD-R world.

Waldok:cool:

[djadjet]

Explorer reports what is written in TOC, so that is what you see. You can try to burn 1000TB of data and TOC will list each single file and its attributes, but there won’t be any data pass 4.38GB.

[-y]

Thank you for your information. That makes sense. I didn't know that this would happen.

[atreides93]

heheh. thanks for the thread. i was feeling kinda depressed today, but this thread made me laugh so much, i feel a lot better.

:p

[waldok]

Atreides,

Pleased to help you make you feel better :D
That will be 125Euros please (standard fees)

Waldok:cool: