Frameselector - is there a chance to add ranges together?

[TKSoft2000]

Hello!

As I have seen the frameselector the first time I thaught that I can cut comercials aout of movies with it. But now I noticed that DVD2SVCD creates one File/CD for each reange-selection.

Is there any trick to add all ranges together to one movie?
If it isn't, will this feature be added to the frame selector?

I need this feature to cut TV-Movies (PVA).

Regards
TKS

[winxi]

Hello!
This has been discussed before.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43538

You have to do some steps 'by hand' to get what you want.

greets, winxi

[TKSoft2000]

:-(
Adding the parts together after trancoding is just a low cost method that has noob style *grrr*.
It isn't the professional way...

As far I know it is NO PROBLEM to add several Video-Streams together with AVIsynth.
And BeSweet shouldn't be a problem, too.

What must we do to get a selection in the frameselection-window how the parts should be interpreted by DVD2SVCD?


I think this is one of the last features that will DVD2SVCD make to a perfect tool.

ATM I'm using TMPG for such Videos and transcode them by hand, because the "select source range" option in TMPG supports cutting out parts of the video. But the results are far away what I'm used to get from DVD2SVCD and CCE.

Regards & THX
TKS

[winxi]

Adding the parts together after trancoding is just a low cost method that has noob style *grrr*.
I don´t agree, it just depends on how you do it. I would try it this way:
-at first i would cut out everything i don´t want in the frame-selection window.
-Then i would sum up the lengths of the different selections.
-Now i would go to the bitrate-tab. If xxx is the sum of all lengths, i enter in one row: between xxx and xxx use the number of cd´s you want.
-Now you will see the max. average bitrate you can use in the right corner of your row.
-Force dvd2svcd to use this bitrate (i would go a bit lower) by setting min. average and max. average to it.
-then let it encode and choose 'don´t make images'.

You don´t have to join the resulting mpgs. You can burn them one after another using any authoring program. You have only to cut the mpg by hand, which would overlap two cd´s, but thats easily done with TMPGEnc for example.

greets, winxi

[TKSoft2000]

THIS IS UNPROFESSIONAL!

This cutting together or usine multiple MPEGs on one CD methods are just a work around, but no real solution!!!

One movie ONE MPEG-File! Every other solution is illogical.

The nice thing with DVD2SVCD is that I can do my settings at the beginning, let it run while I'm at school and when I'm back the complete CD's are ready to burn.

This handwork makes all much to different. Adding this simple feature takes maximum 4-6 hours coding time and helps so much people!

Regards
TKS

[winxi]

Ok, it´s your opinion. But your definition of professional and unprofessional is quite strange. My point of view:
with this method

-everything is encoded with the same settings and the same avg. bitrate
-the multiple mpgs have the positive sideeffect that you will get kind of chapters on your SVCD
-if you want you can join the mpgs. But this would be 'unprofessional' since you would have the sudden cut during playback
-it takes 5 minutes of extrawork at the beginning (frameselection and bitrate tab) and 5 minutes of extrawork at the end (authoring), so you can go to school during the process

btw the author decides if something gets implemented or not. As long as it isn´t a feature, you _have to_ be satisfied with this workaround. And really, i cant find something unprofessional in this method, execpt the 10 minutes of extrawork.

winxi

[TKSoft2000]

the multiple mpgs have the positive sideeffect that you will get kind of chapters on your SVCD

Wasn't ist one of the pros of VCDimager that it doesn't work with multiples MPEG's and not like Nero with several MPEG for creating chapters?

if you want you can join the mpgs. But this would be 'unprofessional' since you would have the sudden cut during playback

This is the Point!!! I don't want to join the MPEG's, I want to join the AVI based MPEG-Encoder input! Everybody who cuts AVI's and uses AVIsynth doesn't encode each part and joins them together after encoding, they join the AVIs together with AVIsynth so that the MPEG-encoder gets one big videostrem to encode.
This is the best way to get the best results.

btw the author decides if something gets implemented or not.

So see this posting as feature request for one future DVD2SVCD version!

And really, i cant find something unprofessional in this method, execpt the 10 minutes of extrawork.

It is a feature like extracting chapters! Nobody really needs chapters but they are supported. Everybody who needs them could also do handwork with VCDeasy, but the author of dvd2svcd added this feature to make DVD ripping more luxurious.

It is just a small feature that makes DVD2SVCD more perfect than it is atm.

And DVD2SVCD is atm already THE BEST program for this job! The Author did a very well job.
I know how much work it is to code such a program (I'm coding in C++), and I have to thank him very much that he spends his free time for us.

But converting all parts to one MPEG is a feature that is not avaible in DVD2SVCD and that is not unneccesary. So don't try to discue the problem away!

Regards
TKS

[winxi]

This is the Point!!! I don't want to join the MPEG's, I want to join the AVI based MPEG-Encoder input! Everybody who cuts AVI's and uses AVIsynth doesn't encode each part and joins them together after encoding, they join the AVIs together with AVIsynth so that the MPEG-encoder gets one big videostrem to encode.
and
Adding this simple feature takes maximum 4-6 hours coding time and helps so much people!
are mutually exclusive. Frame selection is a very complex and powerful option at the moment, and i´m quite sure that it took nights of coding, testing and swearing to develop it. But your feature request requires a complete new structure of this tool. I´m not discussing something away, but you discuss a problem here. Think of besweet for example, dvd2svcd would have to join the mp2s before muxing, would this be 'professional'? If you want, you can submit a feature request at the bug tarcker, but i tell you, if you go the way like 'this simple feature takes maximum 4-6 hours coding ', you wont have success!

winxi

[TKSoft2000]

Frame selection is a very complex and powerful option at the moment, and i´m quite sure that it took nights of coding, testing and swearing to develop it.

The intersting thing is, that the main work is already be done! The Videowindow and cutpoindselection works very well! So we already have the needed cutpoints.

The rest is just wriding the correct cmd commands for BeSweet and AVIsynth.

But your feature request requires a complete new structure of this tool
I don't think so, normally it should only be a "add on" to the already existing frameselection-window.

Think of besweet for example, dvd2svcd would have to join the mp2s before muxing, would this be 'professional'?

No, of course NOT! But as far I know BeSweet already recalculates the MP2 stream (don't think there is any other way to downsample the audio to 44.1, an cut the stream).
So BeeSweet must internal convert the AC3/MP2 to WAV and then convert it to MP2. And this is the point that we can use to join the parts nearly lossless.

If BeSweet doesn't have an option to add several parts together internal we must convert it to WAV, add the parts together and then encode this to MP2. This shoud not be more lossy than the current method.

The same thing with AVIsynth, but more easier, because it is already able to add several parts together.

'this simple feature takes maximum 4-6 hours coding ', you wont have success!
I just want to say with this statement, that I understand that nobody wants to invest weeks to add such features, but if the source-code of DVD2SVCD is clearly structured it will only take some hours. So there should nothing speak against adding this feature to DVD2SVCD one day.

And in my opinion it is more important than supporting the curent Versions of CCE.

Regrads
TKS

[winxi]

This looks much better than some of the above posts. It´s a detailed feature request and you point everything clearly out.
It would be neccesary to make a possibility to switch between two modes of frame selection, the one you suggested to cut something out of the middle of the movie, and the old one to make different encodes. I suggest you submit such a detailed feature request at the bug tracker, maybe you have luck. But as stated above, it´s of course dvd2svcd´s decision wether he wants to implement it or not.

greets, winxi

[TKSoft2000]

OK, thanks...

I'll now use the bug tracker...

Regards
TKS

[Deep6]

First of all I have to say DVD2SVCD....Awesome program! I have used it to create 100's of SVCD's with little or no problems (the few problems I did have were solved by this superb forum). Anyhow, with that said, I have been hoping for the same thing that has been requested in this string. I have some DVD's that I would like to edit (create kid safe SVCD versions). I have tried some of the work arounds but always seem to lose the chapters or get bad audio sync problems, etc. (I am no SVCD authoring pro). The beauty of DVD2SVCD is the ability to set a few parameters, walk away, and at the end of the day have CD images ready to burn (Did I say that DVD2SVCD is an awesome program)! A frame selection with the ability to span the resulting edits over the desired number of CD's would be the icing on the already delicious cake! Just my 2 cents worth.