DVD burning complication using IC/Nero

[Schupo]

Hey guys,

I used IC alot and also did some working backup dvd's.
But I somtimes have some errors on about every second dvd so I decided to convert it to iso with the pdi2iso tool and then use nero. Because I read in the forum about some guy who had the same problems and was told that it's the dvd which the pc likes to look at. And IC isn't restricting the Access to the drive while burning.

So my problem is I can't get the pdi/iso on the dvd correctly.
When I use pdi IC will do an write error at about 4/5 of the complete dvd and when using Nero it will burn it complete but won't close the dvd for any reason.

So after killing 5 dvd's I hope someone can give me a hint how to manage that.


Here is the error I get when burning with IC itself.

It was like that:
At position 1742182 an error occured
medium error: write error
70 00 03 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 0C 00
2A 00 00 1A 95 66 00 00 1A 00


The error in nero was just it didn't close the dvd and there was an error. Well.



Thank you very much for any help!

[Schupo]

Am I the only one who has problems with burning outta IC?

If not please tell how you fixed it.

If yes please write down some hints, so I maybe can fix it.




Thx in advance.

[jippiejajee]

first of all I advise you to to do the trials to resolve this problem with using DVD+(-)RW. That will limit (exclude) fiancial loss as it can be re-used if burn fails. Only after you have confidence that everthing works ok you should consider to use DVD+(-)R

Look in this forum for the guide of misterX http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/GUIDE/index.htm

it contains also a guide how to burn with Nero. If these settings he suggest don't work than most probably something is wrong with your burner to my opinion. Does it burn DVD's correctly when burning files not originally created by IC7.
Furthermore if you use the correct templte in Nero it should close the DVD after writing by default, very strange that it will not do this, did you choose the right template (DVDvideo or UDF/ISO) ?

[Schupo]

I surely will take a look at the burning hints you gave me.

To the questions you mentioned I can say I did alot cd-r and also alot of dvd-r which worked so I don't think it's a burner problem.

And yes it mostly just smashes the dvd-r when I used IC before (to encode or to burn)
But IC didn't run at the time I burned with nero.

I also tried to to it that way:

DVD Decrypt
IC
PDI2ISO
Mounted as a drive
Copied all data to hdd
burned DVD Video with these files.

It had some error.

Now I use a dvd-rw to check ;)) The costs are to high and it won't get me happy when I see another dvd-r in the burner which was a failure.

[Schupo]

Ahh I forgot to ask you something.

How can I do that? I read the url you gave me. Well most of it.
Maybe you can tell me about how you meant that.

Greetings Schupo



first of all I advise you to to do the trials to resolve this problem with using DVD+(-)RW. That will limit (exclude) fiancial loss as it can be re-used if burn fails. Only after you have confidence that everthing works ok you should consider to use DVD+(-)R

[RB]

What media, what burner do you use? I usually burn ISOs with DVDDecrypter, not a single coaster so far. Sounds like you are using low quality media. You can burn ISOs to RW with DVDDecrypter also.

[djadjet]

Try this:

DVD Decrypter
IC
PDIExtract (http://www.freewebs.com/schlaufer/pdixtract.zip)
ImgTool (http://www.coujo.de/portal/portal_database.php?action=view&fid=7&cid=1)

And be sure that you have Nero 5.5.10.7b or higher and run Nero registry checker before you burn and don’t let IC to revert this settings after reboot.

[jippiejajee]

Shuppo,
the starting remark in my post was not related to the link. It was only meant as a suggestion to you for your consideration to prevent to loose anymore DVD-R 's until you get your problem solved.

The link was meant to point you to a description on setting in Nero to burn DVD disks just to that you can check out if the settings you use in Nero are OK.

Another suggestion,
Maybe the conversion from PDI to ISO is not done properly by the program you use and as a result the files when copied to harddisk are corrupted or damged. only guessing here I admit.
But to check out you could try an alternative method to get the files on the harddisk. This is using the tool PDIXTRACT to extract all ifo's, bup's and vob's from the PDI files made by IC7(Look for PDITOOL on this board and download the zip file it contains a program PDIXTRACT which you can run from the command, you can also use I believe PDItool itself a GUI application, I personally always have used the command line version, hint place the program in the same directory as the pdi files etc, read the help file included in the zip file for further instructions). After you have exracted the files you can try again to burn them to DVD with Nero. It is the way I do it and until now it worked without a problem.

[Schupo]

OK at first I'm happy that you care!

I do have nero version 5.5.10.15.
And the dvd-r are:
DataTrack DVD-R
"D. Euro Disc"
4,7GB
General V2.0
Which are meant to be in good quality


Since my version of DVD Decrypter seems not be able to burn ISO's I prefer to use nero.

Nero registry checker before you burn and don’t let IC to revert this settings after reboot.

What a registry checker do you mean?


I'll try as djadjet suggested
DVD Decrypter
IC
PDIExtract
ImgTool


What are you using to do a iso from the pdi files?
B/C you told mine maybe did some mistakes


And I keep you informed!

[djadjet]

PDIXtract, will create VIDEO_TS folder (-v option if you do not use PDITool GUI).

Just specify that folder in ImgTool, input desired label and burn. Nero API that ImgTool is using will take care of the rest.

Nero Registry Checker insures that burner parameters and ASPI layer is properly configured for NERO usage. (ftp://ftp6.nero.com/RegistryChecker.exe)

[RB]

Originally posted by Schupo
And the dvd-r are:
DataTrack DVD-R
"D. Euro Disc"
4,7GB
General V2.0
Which are meant to be in good quality


Not. DataTrack is one of the worst media. If you can, have a look at the DVD media test in German c't magazine 25/02. They overall rated media in three categories: Error Rate, Tracking and HF Signal. DataTrack got "very bad, very bad, bad" here.

[Schupo]

Well the media isn't the problem. B/c I tried three different dvd's.

And I'll try to create a smaller image now.
Maybe it's doin a wrong size and crashes b/c of that.



Later

[tobnvodka]

All I ever do is

rip dvd Decrypter
IC7
output straight to dvdr

touch wood no problems yet

tobnvodka

[jippiejajee]

Schupo

never made an iso always made pdi files and extrat files as explained

maybe a stupid remark, the burner that you use is not by coincidence a DVD+R/RW burner. In that case burning DVD-R/RW discs, which you are apparently using, will not work or it must be a burner which can handle both

[Schupo]

IT's a DVD-RW burner!

I think it may be a size problem.

Maybe the size IC does is to big for the DVD's.
I tried output size from 4.00 GB over 4.31 GB to 4.5 GB.

How do you solve the size issues?

IC does most of them to small.
They are probably going to fix it in a later version but any hints for now?


I'll burn a smaller IC version to a DVD-rw to check that.
I tell you how it went.

[Doggiedaddy]

I do not necessarily have the answer to your problem. I can tell you this; there is a driver conflict with IC7 and NERO. When installed IC7 update launch’s an error message asking if you want to repair driver’s conflict. This message is related to NERO drivers [.dlls] and or ASPI. If you have or are willing to try Stomp Record Now Max you might use PDITool and build a VIDEO_TS directory add an empty AUDIO_TS and burn in Data mode with Stomp Record Now Max.
I have had 0 problems since I changed to Stomp Record Now Max from NERO. I had other owned software [you probably do too] that gave me a discount on upgrade and it came out to be around 20.00 bucks US. There is even a free demo if I remember correctly.

All you NERO lovers do not take this the wrong way, if it works for you great, I and others have had problems with NERO for years now so I have found alternative system that has worked for me.

PS Link http://www.stompinc.com/recordnowmax/upgrade/rnmax.phtml?stp

[MackemX]

Schupo

get hold of PDITOOL and extract all the files using the GUI interface

then use Nero to burn these files using my guide

if it still faults then you need to look at what you are doing previous to starting IC or look at your burner and media but I would start at looking at what you do before using IC

how are you ripping the DVD's (settings & mode)? and do you modify any stuff before using IC?



p.s. Doggiedaddy if you've had problems with Nero for years then something was wrong with your setup as it's probably your ASPI driver's that needed sorting originally and IC picked up on that, but at least your problem is sorted now anyway :)

[Doggiedaddy]

MisterX

I run 15+/- machines @ any given time and the problem is not with my equipment but instead with the continuous failer to produce a compliant recording system on the part of NERO in the ever changing world of audio and video processing for the masses.
I understand you have had good success with NERO and believe me I made every attempt to make the necessary adjustments with every new [almost weekly updates sometimes] for continued use for a long while, it seems indeed one size does not indeed fit all.
Maybe when you attempt to produce a product as a do all, for all, you miss the target simply by attempting to encompass to large of an array of possibilities.

Justmy2cents
Dd

PS: I enjoy your work, opinions and posts on doom9. Your posts are always informative and helpful keep up the good work.

[MackemX]

15 machines and not one of them work with Nero?

now that puzzles me even more :confused:

but I'll leave it at that cos if it don't work for you then it don't work for you and no doubt you tried to fix it

but at least you sorted the problem by using something else and thanks for the compliment by the way as I sometimes know I bleat on in a post but I'm only trying to help those less fortunate than me with regards to successful backups which is what we all want at the end of the day :)

I never hardly upgrade my computer and I only do it when I come across problems

Schupo What OS do you have? do you have XP?, and if you do, do you have the windows burning engine turned off?

what speed and make burner you got? and what speed you burning at?

try a simulation burn and see if it fails also

[Schupo]

@MisterX

I use DVDDecrypt in FIle Mode and select all files and copy them to the hdd. After that I use IC7 to make it fit on one dvd. and save the pdi to hdd too. Then it starts getting wierd. I used the IC program to burn the pdi files but since this failed I tried the nero way which won't work either.
So I think when I repair the IC burning thingie nero would work as well.
Maybe there is as you said something wrong with the ripping before IC.

And no I'm not using XP I'm running Win2000proSP3.
And the burner is a Toshiba SD-R6012 which just can burn 1x Speed and that's what it's writing at.



@Doggiedaddy

I've never had problems with nero itself it worked fine for me. Pity you do have such problems with it but I like it's features. The fact it's not working yet is not a nero problem in my eyes.
But thx for the thoughts.

[MackemX]

did you try a simulation burn?

also try reinstalling nero to fix nero, maybe that will fix the mess that IC created?

[Schupo]

Simulating the iso burn will result in the same!

[MackemX]

did u try the simulation? and did u try reinstalling nero after unistalling nero?

try reinstalling both if that don't work, but unistall them 1st also

install IC first then nero, if that dont work try nero then IC, unistalling fully each time

you can only but try

try extracting the files using PDITOOL

[Schupo]

Well I can't fix it!

I would like to use an alternative program to backup the DVD's.

Could you gimme some recommendations?

DVDtoOne and DVDxCopy which I tested aren't a good choice since I like to copy also DVD-9 with menu to a dvd-5.

DVDtoone can't do more then one movie and DVDxCopy can't do it on one dvd.


So perhaps there is another good altenative to check? :rolleyes:



In best hopes to get any notes I wish ya a nice day.

[MackemX]

DVD95Copy

[Schupo]

Understood!


I give it a try and get back to you guys after I'm done with testing.

[hakko504]

Latest version of DVD2One will do full disc copies as well.

[Schupo]

For any reason IC don't likes my PC and burner any more! :mad:

Because it's working with DVD95Copy. ;)

That's really great, I'll test the new version of DVD2One too but DVD95Copy looks fine to me.

And btw here is what I did to solve all this:


Copy DVD to HDD with DVDDecrypter
Use DVD95Copy to select the needed stuff from the DVD on Hdd
And finally burn it with Nero!


Thanks for your support Doom9 Forum Members! :)

[Schupo]

Burning log, additional info!


It burned the DVD-R succesfully..... but it's not running smooth in the stand alone player.
The audio is going away some times and the screen gives me nice cubes from time to time. Never had that with IC. Is there anything you could assist/tell me how to get it smoothly running?

[Schupo]

Here is the notice Nero gave me before I started burning.

"DVD- Video files reallocation failed. The resulting DVD-Video might be unplayable. Do you want to continue?"



What's causing this?

[MackemX]

it's telling you it may not play in a fussy standalone

sometimes GET VTS Sectors fixes this but it all depends on what you have removed from the original DVD as the structure has been upset

have you removed anything and if so what have you removed and how?

[Schupo]

I have removed something yes!

I selected the destination then the source and it gave me a overview of what audio lines and what subs it had. I just took the audio and the subs i wanted.
I haven't changed anything else in the movie or the menu/extras at I also don't know where to do this.

Did I mention that it killed the audio line in the menu?

The DVD is working in the PC Drive just the menu is not with audio any more.

I hope to find a way to do use a tool to select the audio/video streams I like and reduce the video quality a bit to fit on a DVD-5 (DVD-9 is the source). The one I did with IC before was very good but this isn't working any more. Don't ask why not it just isn't.

[MackemX]

from what you are describing I would have doubts about either your burner or the media you are using if you got those effects using DVD95Copy

you can use the NeroDVDSpeed to test the media you have just burnt

I recommend you try it just to check the burn quality



I dunno whether it's inbuilt to Nero but here's the link



http://www.cdspeed2000.com/files/NeroDVDSpeed_053.zip

[Schupo]

Unlikely, because it's missing the audio lines in the menu too when I take a look at the DVD95Copy files on hdd with PowerDVD for example.

So there is something wrong before the burning step.
Once IC worked perfectly. But since a not defineable accident I need you to tell me how to manage a backup copy using other methods!


Thx to MisterX

Greetings Schupo

[MackemX]

try it, you may just be surprised at the results of burning cos you never know until you try

DVD95Copy is the simplest to use if you leave the all the titles intact and just select the audio you want. IC is also the same but requires a little more user input and has more problematic DVD's

but from what you have said about DVD re-allocation errors I have a feeling you have not fed a fully ripped dvd to either dvd95copy or IC. If you have fed a complete dvd then you have removed titles somehow as removing audio/subs with both programs has no major effect and nero shouldn't really report the error

how big are these 'cubes' you talk about?, if it's the blocks I think you mean it's cos these are more apparent in dvd95copy due to the different reduction technique as IC gives better quality results but takes longer

[Schupo]

Yes MisterX your probably right about the quality with IC, and I don't care about the time the prog will use to encode it correctly even it it's about 4 hours :)

And I'm not that unfamiliar in using programs so I'm not afraid to use a more powerful tool then DVD95Copy.


So I used DVDDecrypter in File Mode and selected them all.
And when I Play the DVD on hdd with powerDVD it's running perfectly.


The next step is causing problems. When I use DVD95Copy the copy isn't that good quality as I like it to and when I use IC I get errors. I'm kinda perplexed.

[MackemX]

what error are you getting from IC, is it displaying a message or crashing or producing a DVD that won't burn?

"List index out of bounds(1") is one error I can think of, and the number in the brackets can be anything

IC is just like a naughty child that needs discipline and when you get it under control it is quite well behaved :D

have you checked you ripping settings in DVDDecrypter?

then resized the DVD before using it?
http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/temp/sims3.htm

then go through each titles and check all audio/subs are ticked that you want as sometimes the automatic selection does not work if at all :(

simple checks but result in working DVD's apart from the odd problem DVD due to complex structure or long dark scenes :(

[Schupo]

OK now it works!

I can't exactly tell you what made the fixing. I installed all new again and did the following steps:

DVDDecrypter
IC
PDITool to Extract the files
Burn with NERO


BUT. I have a strange black bar at the left side of the movie.
It's not at the original. Looks like IC reduced the witdh size.
I now have a 1 cm black bar on the left and half that size bar on the right.
How can I remove that?

[Schupo]

Some addition.

The menu is perfectly scaled.
but the main movie isn't.
Maybe IC isn't checking that again for each video line.

Wasn't there any thing with checking the movie?
I have the advanced IC settings tool and there it's set to default.
It's checking 8% i think. (haven't looked it up)

Was there an option to not check the movie again for each video ?


Cool thx to ya

[MackemX]

Schupo

read my post in this thread, tells you exactly how that works

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49623