Comercial DVDs

[rdbello]

If I use Scenarist to create my projects (games, presentations, etc.) and Pioneer A05 to burn my DVDs, I've a complete solution to create a comercial DVDs? What I need to prepare a master(especific DVD recorder with especific media for example)?

Thanks

[oddyseus]

With the mentioned equipment u ll have a dvd-r for home usage. If u want to sent this to a replication plant u ll need a dvd-r drive for authoring, like Pionneer's s201, and dvd-r for authoring discs, or a dlt tape.

[Deepa DvD]

oddyseus right!
I'd recommend a DLT Tape drive over S201 becuase mostly for commercial DVDs (don't say all) are Dual Layer DVD's (DVD9) and you can't do that with a S201. Also DLT is in the safer side (so you don't get any errors when making the glass master) Just ring up your replicator first to make sure. And also dont forget about a good MPEG2 Encoder (either software or hardware.)

deePA :)

[rdbello]

Why I'll have to use on this two equipments? Because they have more capacity? I've another question: If I'll be to develope the extra material, how can I deleiver it? Scenarist script + files?


Thanks

[oddyseus]

U dont have to use both equipments, just one of them with a dlt tape being more favorable among replicators.

[rdbello]

Sorry, I wrote so fast that I forgot to finish some words. Where you read "on this two...", it reads "one of this two", please. My doubt is: why I've to use one of this two equipments to deliver my work? What's the real difference between geral dvd recorder and authoring dvd recorder?

Thanks

[oddyseus]

1st of all there r hardware differences between a dvd-r for authoring and for general. They use different laser beams and sector size.

Dvd-r for authoting allows for the well knon encryption whereas general data don't. Most important no replicator would accept a general dvd-r for replication. Either there is a secret pact between them or they can't use genral media.

Other than that, both discs r playable in a standalone, provided of course that it can read the medium, or PC.

[mpucoder]

The "secret" is that DVD-R(A) have CMF (Cutting Master Format) area, which specifies how the DDP (Disk Description Protocol) file is to be written on the lead in. In other words, vital information for the replicator. Without it no CSS. Also region codes and Macrovision, although encoded in the ifo and vob files, will not be enabled without information from this area transfered to the lead in (it's a licensing thing).

[Arky]

aha! Thanks for the enlightenment on that, MPUcoder! :)


Arky ;o)

[rdbello]

mpucoder said: The "secret" is that DVD-R(A) have CMF (Cutting Master Format) area, which specifies how the DDP (Disk Description Protocol) file is to be written on the lead in. In other words, vital information for the replicator. Without it no CSS.

If I'll use a DLT tape to storage and replicate, I can't use this protocols (CSS/Macrovision) to protect my discs? (sorry if my question is stupid, but I don't understood very well this subject yet).

[mpucoder]

No, DLT also contains that information.

[rdbello]

Ufa! ;) Comparing both, the Dvd-r(a) is cheaper than DLT drive. Thanks, MPU!

[srfscenar]

DVD-r(a) might be cheaper rbdello but the DLT is more reliable and u can export dual layer projects, where with the dvd-r(a) you cannot. So...my suggestion is to buy a DLT to export ur projects for replication and use ur dvd-r(g) for demo discs.

[rdbello]

this is truth, srfscenar. Could you suggest some mark and necessary capacity of a DLT so that I can evaluate the price for here?

Thanks

[srfscenar]

look for DLT 8000. There is one from QUANTUM and one from TANDBERG which has a QUANTUM mechanism. Check which is cheaper.
The media u will use are DLT type IV.It's the type the 8000's use. Although u will use max 4.5gb on each tape the tapes type IV are 40/80 giga.
Good Luck ;)

[rdbello]

Ok. Thanks a lot.

[rdbello]

I found a HP SureStore 35/70 GB. What do you think? Is it a good drive?

Thanks

[Xesdeeni]

I've always wondered about this.

I know MPUCoder mentioned the licensing, but the (Macrovision and CSS) fees can't be covered when buying the DVD-R(A) or DLT tape mechanism. The fees somehow have to be paid for the finished product, either for each title, or more likely for each copy.

And as for putting the data in the CMF area, that I believe...but only if you were going to distribute DVD-R(A)s yourself. But why can't this information be transfered in an alternate format (by hand, floppy, extra file on the DVD, etc.) along with a DVD*R (* = + or -), and burned into the master?

And as far as double-layer DVDs, it seems reasonable that you should be able to create double-layer DVD data on a hard drive, test it, and then transport it via TWO DVD*Rs. [There is certainly an issue with the layer switch, but that's the case with the DLT as well.]

All of this seems like a cop-out on the part of the replicators. I still haven't heard a valid reason that they CAN'T cut a professional master, only that they don't because the tools don't easily support this. It seems that any replicator that can turn a home-produced DVD into a production DVD without the expensive equipment would expand his business as a result.

Xesdeeni

[mpucoder]

I wouldn'e be surprised if the replicators had their hands tied by clauses in the licensing. I have no proof of this, but considering all the other legal crap surrounding DVD it would not surprise me.

[srfscenar]

(I found a HP SureStore 35/70 GB. What do you think? Is it a good drive?)
don't know about that rbdello but be sure to be a dlt8000.If it is a 35/70 GB i am not sure if it's 8000.

Xesdeeni, if u try to export a dual layer onto dvd-r(a) u will not succeed.It's only possible with dlt.(I am talking directly from ur authoring software.In my case Scenarist.)

[auenf]

DLT4000 will do as well, it only can write to the 40/80 tapes at 20/40, but who cares when you only use 5gb ;)

if you are looking at HP, look at the DLT/SDLT range only

http://h18006.www1.hp.com/storage/tapestorage.html

Enf...

[Xesdeeni]

Xesdeeni, if u try to export a dual layer onto dvd-r(a) u will not succeed.It's only possible with dlt.(I am talking directly from ur authoring software.In my case Scenarist.)Of course it will, there isn't enough room. But you can certainly create a directory on your hard drive with the >4.7GB files and then burn the files to two DVD*Rs. My point was that you should be able to take these two DVDs to a replicator, who can make a dual-layer pressed DVD for you.

Xesdeeni

[Nahie]

Speaking from experience...there are replicators that will take DVD-R(G) as the master format and make commercial discs. The only down sides are yes, you are limited to 4.2 gb and no CSS crap, but why put that on the DVD anyway...if someone wants to rip it it isn't that hard, and CSS costs $$$ for a license to use it.

[Xesdeeni]

Speaking from experience...there are replicators that will take DVD-R(G) as the master format and make commercial discs.You mean pressed discs? Cool!The only down sides are yes, you are limited to 4.2 gb...That's where I don't quite understand. If I split the files across two DVD*Rs, why can't they produce double-layered ones from there. Is there actually more information about the layer switch that is encoded in the IFOs and VOBs?and no CSS crap, but why put that on the DVD anyway...if someone wants to rip it it isn't that hard, and CSS costs $$$ for a license to use it.I've wondered that as well. What is the CSS license per unit, and is it really any more difficult nowadays to rip an encrypted DVD vs a non-encrypted one? Also, if you don't encrypt it, would you not be able to add DMCA violations to your copyright infringement lawsuit against someone you caught copying your property?

Xesdeeni

[Nahie]

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
You mean pressed discs? Cool!

Yeah, pressed discs. I don't know if you can use 2 DVD-R's because I've never made a DVD-9. I don't know if they just copied my DVD-R to a DLT or maybe they made an image of the disc. I just sent them a DVD-R(G) and got back 250 silver masters.

Also, if you don't encrypt it, would you not be able to add DMCA violations to your copyright infringement lawsuit against someone you caught copying your property?!

You can sue someone over copyright without having to use the DMCA. If you register your work with the US copyright office, you can even sue them for your lawyer costs. But in reality, unless you are a really big company, you won't be suing anyone...lawsuits are too expensive all around, even if you win. It just isn't worth it, unless you are the **AA and you just want to scare people.

[zerohash]

Sir i have been using surestore40 drive since 3 years and it is working fine.Last week it gave a me an error of DLT Reset which i am trying to solve.But i am very happy with Surestore.

[Clown shoes]

I know this is an old thread, but it caught my interest. Here in the UK there doesn't seem to be such an issue with mastering from dvdr(g) In fact I just got off the phone with a replicator who said he would accept 2 dvd-5s for a dual layer project. We only have a Pioneer A04 here and with that we have authored dozens of projects that have been replicated by several different companies. It did make me woder though. Is anyone aware of any quality issues arrising from using general (Verbatim) dvdrs as opposed to proper authoring discs.

Clown Shoes

[Xesdeeni]

There certainly shouldn't be any quality differences in the video or audio. But I wonder how you can author the contents for transport on two DVDRs. I think the big issue is the layer break. How is that handled by your replicator?

Xesdeeni