SW Ep 2, Original vs DVD95Copy vs DVD2One vs Instant Copy

[SniperKilla]

well here it is, my comparison of sw ep2 fullscreen version.
http://members.verizon.net/~vze4dt3c/compare.html

i think we have a clear winner, compare the 3 pics against the original and post what you think is the closest looking to original. (hint look in the brow area above yodas nose)

[oddball]

DVD95Copy looks the best to me. What do others think?

[SniperKilla]

my thought exactly, dvd95copy looks damn close to the original. dvd2one and IC are blurry with loss of detail.

dvd95copy took almost 1/3 the time of IC too.

the menu for being fully compressed, looks damn good.

The outtakes (the only extras on the disc) look fine as well, when they first start playing, for like a half second their blocky but then they look fine after that.

so far dvd95copy is the best software ive used for this kind of thing.

oh and also dvd95copy dident screw the opening scrolling text angles up like the other 2 did, the other 2 make all 3 angles play when you played the movie, so it would show a second of the scrolling text in english then spanish then french then back to english till it was finished, dvd95 one plays perfect.

also durring the battle in the stadium, there is no studdering, shifting, blockyness, or lack of detail in the dvd95copy version.

129 views and no one else can post their thoughts? damn you people :cool:

[jdobbs]

You can easily see macroblocks in the shading around the light sabre in both DVD2one and InstantCopy that doesn't exist in the orginal and DVD95Copy versions... DVD95Copy definitely looks best in this example. Does that always hold true?

To make it fair are the three examples all representative of the same bitrate and resulting size?

[abatis]

The second image looks decent. DVD2one looks just slightly lower quality than IC, that is on my screen and with my eyes. If I take my glasses off they all look the same. :)


Good job runing this comparison. I will try DVD95 out. Thanks

[MackemX]

Deja Vue :D
DVD95copy is by far the best, closer to original than it is to the other 2, seems too good to be true to me :confused:, even CCE would be far pushed to match the detail and I have used it on my previous backup of SW

I have tried demo and cannot acheive the same quality improvement as shown in this example

I tried the demo on a few DVD's but still cannot make a true judgement of whether I like it or not, but it looks promising

longer than 10 mins, say 20 mins would give a better demonstration as some DVD's have 5 min intro's and very little action in the other 5 min

as mentioned by jdobbs above are the resulting movie filesizes the same? because DVD95Copy compresses the menus so much (very blocky on my few tests) that means IC & DVD2One will not have the same space to work with, thus resulting in a poorer quality file

I have just done a quick run on Blade, was saying it would take 240minutes?!??!

original menu & extras totalled 2.19Gb
DVD95Copy total was 374MB!, very poor quality tho

now that is some compression (16.68% of original), but would then leave 4Gb for main movie which is 4.7Gb including 3 soundtracks!, so not much compression if I took out soundtracks totally 700MB, in fact probably high 90's. This may explain minimal quality loss when compared to original in above example

whereas IC & DVD2One would probably need at least 800MB for menu & extras if set very low, only allowing around 3.57Gb (10% less space), also add to that IC cannot get its act together regarding filesize, so take of another 300MB to make it 3.27Gb) and regarding DVD2one cannot compress menus (or can it?), so that again would have an effect of overall quality

some resulting filesize info's would be appreciated for all 3 if possible also did you keep more than one soundtrack?

impressed a little so far but still holding back on final judgement, as I feel this does not give a true quality comparision

cheers

[Antonio S.]

Because the 3 programs use different ratio of compression by design (DVD2one> compress only movie, IC in auto mode> compress equally all material, and DVD95CPOY> compress less the extras leaving more space to movie), I don't think that is a fair comparison. Better use an example where a big movie (greater than 6 GB) is along without menus and extras. This can be done easily using "movie option" in Ifoedit, so we can have all the structure in a "VIDEO_TS" folder...:confused:


Antonio S.

[abatis]

I just downloaded DVD95Copy off there site and copied the collectors edition of Goldfinger. It gave nme the entire movie less the LAST 10 minutes. So that should give people plenty of time to review. I like this program. I am going to try spiderman.

[SniperKilla]

well as far as starwars in instantcopy, its not really going to make a difference, because theres a menu, and one exta, a hidden blooper reel, they add up to about 700mb total, when done with instantcopy they come out to under 300mb probally (i dont know because my folder with the vobs is long gone)

The menus look perfectly fine in the dvd95copy version of swep2, they were 600mb, and they were cut down to 186mb, and they still look great. The bloopers were taken down to 37mb, (forgive me for forgetting the original size) and when played, they have a 1/4 second of blockyness then it smooths out and is alot more watchable then instantcopy at 70% compression or whatever the max is.

humm the only other original dvds i have here is, korn - deuce, which im not going to even attempt, because it has 49 vob sets, 2 full length movies on it, and the rest are all extras. and dvd95copy will butcher one of the movies, whichever it dosent identify as the main movie. And the other is Godsmack - Live, which is onlt 5 some gigs, so its not even worth it.

im using the full version of dvd95copy as well.

and misterx, i kept the english ac3 6 channel audio on them all as well as the english subs. and because pinnacle cant get their program right, they dont get no special treatment :)

Also something to look at, look at the time difference between dvd95copy and instantcopy

[MackemX]

Originally posted by SniperKilla
well as far as starwars in instantcopy, its not really going to make a difference, because theres a menu, and one exta, a hidden blooper reel, they add up to about 700mb total, when done with instantcopy they come out to under 300mb probally (i dont know because my folder with the vobs is long gone)

The menus look perfectly fine in the dvd95copy version of swep2, they were 600mb, and they were cut down to 186mb, and they still look great. The bloopers were taken down to 37mb, (forgive me for forgetting the original size) and when played, they have a 1/4 second of blockyness then it smooths out and is alot more watchable then instantcopy at 70% compression or whatever the max is.

humm the only other original dvds i have here is, korn - deuce, which im not going to even attempt, because it has 49 vob sets, 2 full length movies on it, and the rest are all extras. and dvd95copy will butcher one of the movies, whichever it dosent identify as the main movie. And the other is Godsmack - Live, which is onlt 5 some gigs, so its not even worth it.

im using the full version of dvd95copy as well.

and misterx, i kept the english ac3 6 channel audio on them all as well as the english subs. and because pinnacle cant get their program right, they dont get no special treatment :)

Also something to look at, look at the time difference between dvd95copy and instantcopy

chances are that IC spat a 4Gb DVD out so wasted 300MB, so along with the other MB from menu etc difference then this is over 10% of the main movie filesize, so again it will not be a true comparision

as for DVD2One vs IC comparision I take it you missed my Star Wars AOTC comparision HERE (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46630) when on a same filesize basis (worth a read), I have since deleted the initial post due to the fact as shown in my signature

these are the links I deleted for DVD2One (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/dvd2one.htm) & Instantcopy (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/Instantcopy.htm) same movie filesize comparision and they also include links to the original & DVD2One 4.37Gb frames
The 70 frame analysis side by side is HERE (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/frames/38.htm) and shows a big difference in certain frames and this is one othe examples of that difference. Whether you can see it fully depends on your eye for quailty and the components you are using to view it due to reasons I have stated later in my thread

I will now restrain myself from disussing the quality issues again :D as like I said it say's it all in my signature and this argument was over for me in my original thread but this has just tried to relight the flame :D

as for audio and subs removal IC has no problems if setup correctly, it's the deleting of Titles that causes most problems for people but the solution is in my sig

[SniperKilla]

heres a test spoonman ran on xmen1.5 dvd.

http://spoonman.roarvgm.com/dvd95copy/

he said instantcopy wouldent even begin to do this dvd.

[DvdHeader]

Man oh man I'm really getting confused now with all those frame comparisons. Sometimes I see a difference and at other times I don't see schlitz... I don't know but don't we overdo it a little bit...
Do we really watch a movie this way (e.g. staring at one particular frame at a time) or don't we just watch a movie for what it is while eating some popcorn and drinking a soft drink. I personnaly enjoy movies while sitting back at around 10 feet from my 65" widescreen T.V. and appreciating how wonderful it is to look at moving pictures and hearing sound coming from the "magical box"...you get the idea.

Enough bla..bla.bla.. and back to the subject. I actually don't see a difference in SniperKilla's comparison of sw ep2. I did however notice some difference in MisterX 70 frame side by side comparison but I usually don't watch movies like this.
I've done about 20 movies with DVD2ONE in the past 2 weeks and I had them watched by a lot of my friends not knowing the source of the movies (they actually thought they were the ones from my large movie collection) and they were all surprised when they learned they were copies.
So for me I guess this is the best proof there is as to all those wonderful backup programs can do. I didn't try DVD95Copy neither IC7 but I'm sure they perform as well.

[ZeroLimit]

I use InstantCopy because its easy, you set the site (with dvd95copy u can't) and i set the movie to as high as possible usually its around 80%+ and all these programs dvd2one, instantcopy, dvd95copy are cool and use the one u like. I think to ME!!! my 2 cents is that they look the same I've only been encoding for a month with these softwares so im no prob but like DvdHeader said We dont watch a movie and compare it with the original dvd "hey look its not the same quality" no we watch it with some popcorn and some drinks having a good time. As long as it looks like a dvd and all the pictures look great just a LITTLE!!!! diff. not that much so just rip the dvd's and watch them and have a good time.

P.S
Dont flame just my 2cents!

[SniperKilla]

heh, dvd95copy, you dontneed to set the size, it does menus and extras at max compression and does the movie at the lowest it can to fit on the disc. so it always comes out looking the best possible.

[ZeroLimit]

that sucks because what if u dont want extras and want the movie at better quality so i guess InstantCopy is better for that reason? No?

[t1955feb]

I have tried dvd95copy with the movie K-9:P:I it's compressing for 10 min and then crash...
used IC and it's working so me for it's important that the program works...

[SniperKilla]

well if you cant handle the extras being done at max compression, your more then welcome to dummy the vob files before you begin :)