My Guide using InstantCopy 7

[MackemX]

there are guides for :

DVDDecrypter
Smartripper
IfoEdit stripping
Instantcopy tips
DVD95Copy
DVDInstant95Copy hybrid method
Nero
and a couple more

MY GUIDE (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/index.htm)

feel free to comment or add your hint's and tips

This will also benefit users of DVD2One as you can strip the DVD using the guide and then use it to transcode. This will allow more space for the Main Movie if you remove all the rubbish first but keep the DVD structure valid

EDIT: updated again to include ripping with SmartRipper and using DVD95Copy 1.4

[brashquido]

So atm it's actually more a DVD Decrypter guide? :p

[MackemX]

I now have an Ifoedit guide that deals with VOB that contain only one VOB ID, but this still needs testing by others

please be aware that this only deals with IFO's that have only ONE VOB ID as shown in the pictures in my guide

as for IFO's with more than one VOB ID this is normally easier to do, but I have not got a pic guide up yet, but will have soon

if you wish to try it please go to this thread and post your feedback in that thread please. The guide is a quick one I wrote so ignore the layout as I will update it later, but once you know what you are doing it should take you 2 mins or less to do it

LINK (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47713)

basically all you do is take the small 12KB VOB & replace the original, then open the IFO for that VOB, strip audio & remux it with the small 7Kb blank.m2v file and then paste the 5 resulting files into the original folder. Sounds easy and it is if you follow guide

please put feedback or questions in other thread as I will just edit this one later :)

[moriaty]

this is great man, the ifoedit trick is just what i was looking for!!

[ravenone_2000]

Thanks MisterX for all your help with us "newbies" :) I will try this out tonight to see if it fixes my Rush Hour 2 problem. I "fought" IfoEdit for several hours last night (I'm not to impressed with the doom9 guides on it since they are so disjointed and can't decide if they want to use IfoEdit or ISOBuster to preview VOBId's).

Your "blank" screen trick to keep from messing up VOB ID's should fix my problem.

I think I also figured out a possible problem in that my VTS_03 and higher sets do not have a _00.vob file. They all start with VTS_03_01.vob and such. Maybe that's why near the end of the 3rd title set, IC crashes. Not sure why DVDDecrypter didn't grab the _00.vob files for those sets. I need to check the original DVD.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by ravenone_2000
Thanks MisterX for all your help with us "newbies" :)
I think I also figured out a possible problem in that my VTS_03 and higher sets do not have a _00.vob file. They all start with VTS_03_01.vob and such. Maybe that's why near the end of the 3rd title set, IC crashes. Not sure why DVDDecrypter didn't grab the _00.vob files for those sets. I need to check the original DVD.
No problem as I'm always helping friend's and family, so why not help you guys

why not use my method as shown in DVDDecrypter Guide (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/GUIDE/dvdd1.htm)as I cannot understand how you never ripped them in the 1st place?

you will be pleased with the results and realise how easy it truely is and soon you will be offering advice like me to other newbies

if you use the IFOEdit method it will also work with DVD95Copy and will give you more space for the movie as you have stripped the DVD 1st

[MackemX]

I have finished the DVD ripping guide

and I've nearly completed the stripping guide and this could also be used alongside DVD95Copy to increase quality on the main movie file

The IC settings are finished

this should be enough to get most IC owners on their way to success and high quality backups, but feel free to ask any questions or point out any mistakes

I will try to complete it as fast as I can as there are a few more things I want to show

feedback welcomed

hope it helps at least someone :)

[ravenone_2000]

MisterX,

I used your guide to RIP the movie XXX and then used IC. Everything worked great. My end file was a little small, so I'm going to re-tweek my %'s to get closer to a full DVD-R.

I hope to be able to use your IfoEdit guide section to remove some logos and I will let you know if I run into any probs.

Thanks for the guide!

p.s. It does look like my rip of Rush Hour2 was bad since it didn't get the *_0.vob files for sets 3-8. I would be good $$ that this was my entire crash issue. After I get done playing with some other titles, I will go back and retry backing up Rush Hour2.

[hittr]

Mister X,

I have a couple of questions regarding your guide.

Do you condone using the reg hack for the purpose of deselecting unwanted titles? I thought I had read in another thread that you were recommending not installing the hack and/or removing the hack.

Second, what is the purpose of the IfoEdit Vob removal step? Is it only to remove the FBI warning and studio logo's?

I share your enjoyment of InstantCopy and after following the steps in your guide for setting up DVDDecrypter and InstantCopy I seem to be having much better success. Interestingly enough the machine I have that is slower but doesn't have the reg hack installed has thus far never failed to complete the process although it obviously takes longer.

Thanks for the guide and the help.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by hittr
Mister X,

I have a couple of questions regarding your guide.

Do you condone using the reg hack for the purpose of deselecting unwanted titles? I thought I had read in another thread that you were recommending not installing the hack and/or removing the hack.

Second, what is the purpose of the IfoEdit Vob removal step? Is it only to remove the FBI warning and studio logo's?

I share your enjoyment of InstantCopy and after following the steps in your guide for setting up DVDDecrypter and InstantCopy I seem to be having much better success. Interestingly enough the machine I have that is slower but doesn't have the reg hack installed has thus far never failed to complete the process although it obviously takes longer.

Thanks for the guide and the help.

IC has problems when removing Titles, not all of them but some, but rahter than take that chance t's better you do it yourself and once you learn howto do it it's easy

You can remove the Warnings with thi sguide, but you can also use it to get rid of any extras. I just haven't updated the IFOedit guide yet as there are a few ways to remove them. It all depends on what you want to remove and from what VOB

as long as you don't 'Butcher' the DVD and properly remove selected portions from the rip using Ifoedit you should really have no problems with IC

there are plenty of Ifoedit guides already to remove any VOB ID but I thought the replacing of a VOB with just one VOB ID would be the greatest help to people as it maintains the original DVD structure and seems to give IC the greatest problems

if you get stuck just ask

[fusion007]

looking forward to the completion of that particular guide cos ive spent alot of time learning about ic and think that im gonna go for the old menu+movie job forget the extras the films what i want,i have yet to d/l ifoedit and have a look but flicking through your guide has been useful but im not quite ready to do the whole bit my self so removing the titles i think ill wait for your guide,also i thought preveously about shrinking the titles to a miniscule amount so as to save space would you recommend this?

[MackemX]

yes you could do that, as I do it all the time

it all depends on the VOB and it's contents but also whether its a menu VOB or not

if they have more than one vob id strip out the relevant VOB's you want rid of then see how big the file is, but make sure you still select at least 1 vob ID to keep. Some contain 1 sec VOB ID's and it's best to leave these intact if they are there and that VOB ID will need no further modding

if they have just one vob ID (after stripping also )which is definetly video just use my guide to replace it with a blank file

it will be a few days b4 I get back to the ifoedit guide, but there are plenty around to do what is needed. The only one you won't find easily is the replacing of a VOB ID with a blank video (I couldn't)

it's simple once you know how :)

[fusion007]

i think going into such detail is quite difficult(for me!) vts this vob id that, i understand (the basics)most of the guides but it sounds like alot of work,i guess its like you say its easy when you know how,but if theres nothing wrong with shrinking the extras down then i may use this approach,thanks again.

[MackemX]

it is very confusing at first

some info

the VIDEO_TS.IFO contains all the data about the Titles contained within all the VTS_0x_x.VOB's and show this info at the line 'Number of Title Playmaps' in the bottom window of Ifoedit

These Titles are the Movie, trailers, extras etc and they show which VTS_0x_x.VOB the Title is in and it also shows how many chapters there are for that Title

You can normally spot the main movie as it has the most chapters

I think this is how it splits up, (ignore VTS_0x_0.VOB's these are the menu VOB's)

VTS_0x_x.VOB's are split into Titles as shown in VIDEO_TS.IFO

Titles are split into VOB ID's

VOB ID's are split into chapter's

the VTS_0x_0.VOB's contain the menu VOB ID's, but can also contain Warnings, Logo's so you use MENU EXTRAS button instead and delete the VOB ID's that way instead

so there are a few ways to delete parts of the DVD but it all depends on where the Video info is that you want to remove

this is probably all double dutch and hard to understand, may even be wrong but it's the best I can explain

I guess the easiest way is with pictures and in time I will upload at least one example of each

It's really confusing at 1st, but given time you learn how it all works

have fun

[jippiejajee]

Hi misterX, read your interesting guide. May I put following for your consideration as alternative for the method you described for changing a VOB with on ID by another one with smaller size and keeping original DVD structure.

What I did.
First I authored a dvd with a clip of just one second with an authoring program. So I have a dummy vob and an ifo file belonging to the dummy vob.
From the "dummy" ifo file I write down on a piece of paper the exact playback time decimal value of dummy vob and decimal values of start sector of last VOBU of cell 1 and last sector of cell 1 (all three can be found in vts_pgc_1 of the dummy ifo file corresponding to dummy vob)
The ifo files of the dummy vob can be deleted, because you don't need them anymore as long as you keep the three values mentioned somewhere on a piece of paer or txt file on you PC.

Next I open with Ifoedit the VTS_0x_0.ifo file belonging to the vob I want to replace in the real DVD. Therere I put in the vts_pgc_1 for playback time (on two places !) and first and last sector the values of the dummy vob.
Save ifo file. Press VTS sectors and let IFOedit replace all ifo files.Then replace original vob by dummy vob. Done

So what I only need are a dummy vob and the three values for playback time, start sector last VOBU and last sector

What do you think ?

[MackemX]

I aint gotta clue

little bit tipsy at the mo, (out of it actually :D)

but it does sound complicated, even more so at the mo, but if it's right it's right

I used to change the playback time or something to 64 (whatever it is), which changed somits else to 0.12secs@25fps :), but now I just let ifoedit do it all for me when I can't strip a vob

does that method update the Titles etc in the VIDEO_TS.IFO also, or do they not need updating?

I cant think at the mo

maybe I'll come back to this tomorrow (well later this afternoon:))

nite all :)

[timewaster]

I have a some extras which I would like to remove. They're in VtsS03_1.vob and Vts03_02.vob. 2 titles are contained in this series of vob files (title4 and title 5). Can someone walk me thru how to remove them?

[jippiejajee]

you disappoint me a little misterX, it is not complicated, edited three value in the ifo, save ifo file and press vts sectors and swapping the vob is not that complicated
rgds

[MackemX]

Originally posted by jippiejajee
you disappoint me a little misterX, it is not complicated, edited three value in the ifo, save ifo file and press vts sectors and swapping the vob is not that complicated
rgds

its complicated when your p(drunk)d :D (tipsy & out of it & surprised I still managed to get most of my spelling right)

like I said I used to do something similar, but then I started using the delete playback feature and replaced the VOB with a blank video 10Kb VOB to save space

even simpler, but IC doesn't like that so I started the replacing VOB jobby in my guide, but I will try your suggestion when I need it next

I'm trying to create an ifo with 2PGC's and it's giving me grief

cheers

[jippiejajee]

glad to hear that you wanna give it a try.
To make it easy for you.
I made a vob of just one frame without audio, size 18 Kb (determined by bitrate. If you look in the ifo file belonging to this vob you will find:
playback time (BDC): 80 (decimal)
start sector last VOBU: 0 (decimal)
last sector of this cell: 8 (decimal)

Now I opened a DVD where I want to exchange a vob with one ID by the above one.
I entered the three above values on the appropiate places (playback time on two places !) in the IFO file belonging to the vob I want to exchange, saved the IFO file and hit get VTS sectors and let Ifoedit replace all ifo's
Exchanged the original vob by the 1 frame vob and checked results
Plays without a problem and yes I believe this method also updates the titles in the video_ts.ifo file however I am not sure on this but I think IFOedit has taken care of it.

The method also works for vob's with more then one ID and even when one or more ID has more cells only then you will need to modify the values in pgc's for each vobID and cells, then it can become complicated. But for a vob with one ID it is fast and simple
rgds
Jippie

[jippiejajee]

o yeah about an ifo with 2 PGC's
easy if you have DVD workshop. Start DVD WS take two mpg's one as first and one as second title without a menu and let DVD WS author to disk and voila there it is an ifo with 2 PGC's

I can send you one by e-mail if you want

[MackemX]

due to Allistahs request I have now updated the multiple VOB ID removal using Ifoedit, a combination of being lazy and busy

if anyone needs any help stripping VOB's previous to using InstantCopy or DVD95Copy just ask and I will try to help by either updating my guides or offering advice as there are a few different ways to deal with them

I just want you all to enjoy the 100% success rate with standalones that I enjoy when removing the useless stuff :D

MackemX

[MackemX]

now updated guide to include how to burn with Nero

[drphobus]

is there any reason to use iso mode over file mode now with the latest version of IC as i dont want to use demon tools if i dont have to

[MackemX]

ISO mode when ripping? or burning?

you don't really need ISO's now or with the old version of IC, but everyone has there own method. Personally I have never used ISO's as I've never needed them, although I do know how to use them quite easily but I see them as extra work when the job can be done without them

my guide is just to help newbies or people having problems as this method is tried and tested and works 100% of the time for me and my friends and probably a few others on this forum and can be a useful addition to your knowlegde of a DVD and how it works

the choice is yours whether you use it or not

hope it helps :)

[MackemX]

updated a bit more and it now includes a DVD95Copy 1.4 user guide and a Smartripper 2.41 filemode ripping method

[campari212]

hi, writing this while ic is doing The first job following your tips for getting the correct file size.

J just wonder why you don't use DVD2Avi for previewing the VOBs? Load a file and press F6 for the stats-window. Then you can easily scan through the file by mouse or arrow-cursors and jot down the exact id's. have backed up 30 or more DVDs so far (Maestro) and not found a better Way.

campari

[ragnork]

Thanks for the dvd guide MisterX. It is very useful and informative for us newbies.

Look forward to the Modify Menu VOB with 1 VOB ID guide to be updated.

ragnork

[MackemX]

there's a basic guide using InstantCopy for the movie and DVD95Copy for menu/extras and fitting it to 4.37GB

I've also wrote a quick basic guide for removing all the VOB ID's from a menu

[Aragorn]

Hi MisterX!

Please change/extend the SmartRipper Guide a little bit.

1) "Key Check" - "Every VOB File" (As there are some DVDs (though not complying to the standard) have a different key for different VOBs)

2) Tell the users that a working ASPI _must_ be installed (can be seen when the DVD authentifaction at the beginning works and on decrypting in the right bottom corner the word "ASPI" is written in black, the other two must be in grey). This is very important, as on small title sets it often happens that the key cannot be found and then either the old key is used (very bad!) or the sectors are just copied unencrypted... (It works of course ok for many movies with the other methods, but I think at least 1 of 100 DVDs makes troubles otherwise...)

cu, Aragorn

[MackemX]

thanks for that pointers butI only ever used SmartRipper in the early days and more recnetly when DVDDecrypter didn't work (more to do with my Lite-On DVDROM than DVDDecrypter :(). Personally I would always recommend DVDDecrypter

my Smartripper was set to Key Check - Once even before this other thread came about as I've never ever ever had issues with stuff I've ripped, encrypted or not and the ones (2 I think) that wouldn't rip on my Liteon DVD-ROM with DVDDecrypter worked just fine with Smartripper

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49961&highlight=keycheck

so that's why I put up a short guide just to help others as apparently this is the better setting

as for the ASPI that's just down to the user and their OS as I assume that people have everything else in order

that's probably why some people have problems yet others don't cos of the Operating System setup and settings

if these guides help just one person I'm happy but most guides should work for 99% of the people 99% of the time :D

I may just say use whatever's best, check once or every VOB file

cheers

[berdif]

I really want to try this xlent guide, IC i have but not Dvd95copy, because there is only a paypalmethod for buying this product.... hmm well i hope digimec will fix some other ways to purchase his product!

[Aragorn]

The ASPI is the main critical issue in that guide!
ASPI is part of the operating system 95/98 (and not even anymore ME!)
2000/XP (which most users will have nowadays), ASPI is not installed by default! It must be downloaded from Adaptec and be installed with administrator rights...
If ASPI is not working, there might be several problems on the last portions of the movie or other small title sets (last part of the movie, of course only when key check - every vob file is selected). If you find time, you really should add where to download ASPI (
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/drivers_by_product.html?sess=no&language=English+US&cat=%2fProduct%2fASPI-4.70&prodkey=Windows+ASPI+Package
) and state that it is important to have it installed...

cu, Aragorn

PS: You can also download from Ahead - Nero the file "WNASPI32.DLL" (only for XP/2000!) and put it into the directory of SmartRipper...
ftp://ftp6.nero.com/wnaspi32.dll

[MackemX]

LOL :D

this is a basic guide, but if a user aint got their PC setup right to use an app then unfortunately I cannot help that

Quite a few problems with software are related to user's OS & setups but I never seem have major problems with any type of software and neither do others on this forum but I cannot tell users how to set up their PC's and exactly what is needed by each program

I've lost count of the amount of times I had to fix friend's and relatives computers due to them having outta date or missing drivers when they use a program and it don't work :)

These guides are written on the assumption that everything else on the PC is setup to at least run the apps and ASPI drivers being one of them

I only posted that Smartripper guide because of that thread I linked to before, nothing else really cos I don't really recommend it against DVDDecrypter and wouldn't have made one if other's didn't have difficulty

doesn't DVDDecrypter also require ASPI, cos it's on the download page (http://www.dvddecrypter.com/download.asp) along with all the others, but I ain't no ASPI expert but I'm sure my computer needs it to do other things apart from just use Smartripper :)

cheers

[Aragorn]

Neither program really "require" ASPI...
But there might be unexpected results due to the lack of it...
DVD Decryptor (from version 3.1.2.0) had a new feature :
* Implemented support for SPTI (Available in NT/2000/XP/.NET)
This is an ASPI replacement completly in the application. This alone should tell that ASPI _is_ very important for ripping (and as SmartRipper does not support SPTI, it would need ASPI in order to perform DeCSS correct...)

cu, Aragorn

[MackemX]

that's exactly why I recommend DVDDecrypter cos it's easier to use and has less chance of creating problems for the newbiest of newbies

and it's the only one that's still actively being updated :)

look at my DVDDecrypter settings (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/dvdd1.htm) and it's set to SPTI, but it also states these settings are for XP and to seek advice if you ain't (disclaimer :))

this guide was more a fix for people having probs with Smartripper and even the Doom guide (http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/sr.htm) says to install ASPI

I take it you use Smartripper :) and thanks for the heads up about ASPI but I stopped using yonks ago and only recently dug it out cos my new LiteOn DVD-ROM had teething troubles with DVDDecrypter and would never have thought about the ASPI

it's all down to personal preference cos I recommend DVDDecrypter in Filemode 100% of the time. It's beyond me why people use images etc. I ain't in over 200 rips or when I'm burning so I must be doing somits right :)

[Aragorn]

Yes and no... ;)
The interface you select in DVDDecryptor (I/O, Interface) are all kinds of ASPI interfaces. So these are all equal (more or less)...
The really interesting option is the I/O Key Exchange (CSS, CSS Cracking Method). I/O Key Exchange is the way to go here. Brute Force is the one that can make trouble, so either use "I/O Key Exchange" or "I/O Key Exchange -> Brute Force" (which will most probably fall back to brute force, when the io mode does not work out)...

cu, Aragorn

[MackemX]

Originally posted by Aragorn
I/O Key Exchange is the way to go here. Brute Force is the one that can make trouble, so either use "I/O Key Exchange" or "I/O Key Exchange -> Brute Force" (which will most probably fall back to brute force, when the io mode does not work out)... bit like my DVDDecrypter guide says to set it to :)

although these settings will work for 99% of DVD's, I have on occasions had to change a setting or two due to the odd problematic DVD

DVDDecrypter is the one to use I say, better features, options, interface, updates etc, basically everything

that's why I never bothered with a Smartripper guide so it's gone again because of this cos it's better that newbies use DVDDecrypter :)

cheers