View Full Version : IC what is all the fuss about? I hate it...


DVD Sheep
3rd March 2003, 05:06
Tried it, hate it. Here is why:

"wow you can keep and remove menu's!"
Remove stuff and your project goes to waste! Can you say 'coaster'? Seriously, if you tick of some VTS it will usually render your project useless. The way the program works you will not notice this until after you have burned it!

"let's you select different subtitles!"
Right... This does not work, trust me. Just keep English and ONE foreign language. You will never see the foreign language ever again. Either you will get a different language than the one you selected, or it is simply not present.

"better quality than dvd2one!"
So you're telling me that inspite the fact that IC wastes precious DVD+/-R space with stupid trailers and menu options you will never ever use, usually wasting about 1 Gb or more, it is STILL better than dvd2one? Sure...

"but you can remove all those trailers and extra's and stuff!"
Clearly you have not read this thread too well. Start at the beginning again please.

"it has a build in burner!"
So does Windows XP. You don't use that either, do you!

"it will create .pdi files which you can burn directly!"
There is this little option in IFOEDIT which I like to use. Actually I use it on almost every dvd I author. It's called "Region Free". You might have heard about it? I would like the option to edit the processed files, but by default this is not possible.

"but there is software which can create .iso from your .pdi and you can then mount a virtual drive and then you edit video_ts!"
This is not supported by the original software. That's the whole point. Imagine this. Say you would like to backup a music cd's. Would you go to all this trouble to backup a music cd? (converting them to some exotic format which no other software can use, and than burning them only with that specific program?)

"but it will make backups with just a few clicks of your mouse"
All the new dvd software seem capable of doing backups with just a few clicks. Furthermore, did any of you googled for just how many movies this program CAN NOT backup?

I bought all 3 major backup programs: dvd2one, dvdxcopy and IC. I only regret buying the last one. So many people claim that IC is the way to go/ best thing that ever happened to them/ new religion/ universal peace maker/ add sarcastic comment here. I have tried and I feel betrayed. I tried 20 different dvd's and ONLY ONE came out the way I wanted it to. All other 19 did not do what I wanted. Sure most would play the movie, but most would also crash if I selected an option which I had removed. Furthermore, as English is not my native language, I like to keep extra subtitles. This only worked on the one mentioned. And I'm not even touching the speed issue.

You can get around all these problems. Don't erase any of the subtitles and don't erase any of the needless 'bonus' stuff. You can transcend all the 'other' stuff at the lowest possible setting. Then you should ask yourself the question: Do I really want to waste space on something I don't want on it in the first place? Shouldn't I save more room for the movie and possibly an extra audio track for better playback performance? Why don't I just use dvd2one then?

Then there are those who argue that all 3 programs are great and that you should use a different tool for different movies. I will join this group of people. I am still waiting for the one movie IC is the right tool for...

Just my 2 cents.

[offtopic]
Without starting a flame: this is my personal humble opinion. Bash it if you want, but this is just my warning for those who haven't tried it yet. I know there are fanatics among you. I just try to keep an open mind and have really tried all three programs. I'm not in favor of any of them: I just really dislike IC.

int 21h
3rd March 2003, 05:29
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
I am still waiting for the one movie IC is the right tool for...


Multi-PGC titles for which it is impossible to keep menus otherwise... a.k.a. Simpsons, et al.

^Sp|ke^
3rd March 2003, 06:25
multipgc, multiangle, seamless branching, infinifilm none of these can be backed up with dvd2one

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 12:46
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
[B]Tried it, hate it. Here is why:
"wow you can keep and remove menu's!"
Remove stuff and your project goes to waste! Can you say 'coaster'? Seriously, if you tick of some VTS it will usually render your project useless. The way the program works you will not notice this until after you have burned it!
do not use IC to strip, use Ifoedit and do it properly. Using the reg hack is not part of IC

Mentioned this so much now, I'm sick of hearing myself say it :)

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 12:48
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
Tried it, hate it. Here is why:
"let's you select different subtitles!"
Right... This does not work, trust me. Just keep English and ONE foreign language. You will never see the foreign language ever again. Either you will get a different language than the one you selected, or it is simply not present.
easily corrected in Ifoedit afterwards if need be, I have posted about that too

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 12:51
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
Tried it, hate it. Here is why:"better quality than dvd2one!"
So you're telling me that inspite the fact that IC wastes precious DVD+/-R space with stupid trailers and menu options you will never ever use, usually wasting about 1 Gb or more, it is STILL better than dvd2one? Sure...
if you allow DVD2One the same space, sorry but yes IC is better quality and does multiple PGC's!

in fact it's also better if allocated the full 4.37Gb, but that is not an legitimate option with IC, but can be done using oversize then extract just the movie afterwards and rebuild DVD that way

been down that discussion road too :)

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 12:52
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
Tried it, hate it. Here is why:
"but you can remove all those trailers and extra's and stuff!"
Clearly you have not read this thread too well. Start at the beginning again please.

as above, it is not a legitimate option, but can be quaite easily done if Ifoedit is used correctly :)

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 12:54
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
Tried it, hate it. Here is why:"it has a build in burner!"
So does Windows XP. You don't use that either, do you!
You don't have to use the burner, and it's recommended to check before burning anyway like you would using any other compressor. Anyone software will do, it all depends how you butcher the DVD and what settings you use to burn :)

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 12:56
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
"it will create .pdi files which you can burn directly!"
There is this little option in IFOEDIT which I like to use. Actually I use it on almost every dvd I author. It's called "Region Free". You might have heard about it? I would like the option to edit the processed files, but by default this is not possible
just use PDITOOL, no more than 5-10 mins, and I'm sure in the future it will be an option for output file as no doubt people will have complained to IC about burning failures

I'm sure DVBDDecypter has a region free setting, if not just do it after rip has finished using filemode :)

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 12:59
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
Tried it, hate it. Here is why:"but there is software which can create .iso from your .pdi and you can then mount a virtual drive and then you edit video_ts!"
This is not supported by the original software. That's the whole point. Imagine this. Say you would like to backup a music cd's. Would you go to all this trouble to backup a music cd? (converting them to some exotic format which no other software can use, and than burning them only with that specific program
IC is a backup tool for 1:1. If you butcher the DVD in anyway or rip it incorrectly then chances are you will get a failure at the end. Like I mentioned IC would be wise to include a VIDEO_TS folder output option also

ISO's, you don't need them if you rip it properly and your burner software is set up properly too :)

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 13:03
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
Tried it, hate it. Here is why:"but it will make backups with just a few clicks of your mouse"
All the new dvd software seem capable of doing backups with just a few clicks. Furthermore, did any of you googled for just how many movies this program CAN NOT backup?
It does take a few clicks, around 2mins to setup, if not less, what's wrong with that?

as for problem movies, I would say more than not, a few will be down to User's settings in all software/OS setup/computer hardware/lack of updates/knowledge/butchering etc etc :)

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 13:04
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
Tried it, hate it. Here is why: I tried 20 different dvd's and ONLY ONE came out the way I wanted it to. All other 19 did not do what I wanted. Sure most would play the movie, but most would also crash if I selected an option which I had removed
as above, IC is no good for stripping only 1:1 backups not 0.85:1 :)

MackemX
3rd March 2003, 13:12
Originally posted by DVD Sheep
Tried it, hate it. Here is why:Furthermore, as English is not my native language, I like to keep extra subtitles. This only worked on the one mentioned. And I'm not even touching the speed issue.

You can get around all these problems. Don't erase any of the subtitles and don't erase any of the needless 'bonus' stuff. You can transcend all the 'other' stuff at the lowest possible setting. Then you should ask yourself the question: Do I really want to waste space on something I don't want on it in the first place? Shouldn't I save more room for the movie and possibly an extra audio track for better playback performance? Why don't I just use dvd2one then?[

again, all the problems you list, most are self inflicted and 1 in 20?, I don't think there are that many more than 19 DVD's in the problem DVD's thread :)

I am not getting at you in any way, just showing that majority of your problems are nothing to do with IC, but your personal settings and methods which in turn are making IC perform the way it is

Your opinions are caused due to these 'USER BUGS' as I call them and may affect others judgement of ever using this tool or giving up after 1 DVD

I will eventually put up a guide to use Ifoedit to creat a stripped DVD, that works in IC so it does a 'true 1:1' backup as stated on the website, and probably a full guide from start to finish but at the moment it is not up yet