Two questions. Simple ones at that.

[ToiletDuck]

1. How do I check to see what version of xvid I'm encoding with.
2. What's the latest version?

when I say best I mean the latest, stable or unstable, version for encoding NTSC movies.

[bond]

1. virtualdub->video->compression->xvid->about
2. 100% latest stable is koepis 041002 build, latest unstable is uManiacs 240203 11:00 build

[Teegedeck]

Don't use 'stable' builds created by the 'instabuild' system on uManiac's site - CVS-structure has been changed and thus the builds actually are created from the dev-api-3 unstable branch.

[Koepi]

If you'd look at the changelogs at uManiacs site, you'd see that those builds didn't change anything. The CVS changes affected the build system for different platforms. So my binary is still up2date. And it has nice features (refdivx' lumi masking...).

Just wanted to throw that in.

Regards
Koepi

[sam_b]

Koepi, is ref-divx's code actually GPL? I don't mean to kick up a fuss, but why is it still not in CVS?
I notice you do not have a source tarball on your site.

Hopefully you can clear this up, as I have been wondering for some time now.

[Koepi]

The lumi masking code is on referencedivx' website (you're even too lazy to look the link up yourself? this was clear. http://www.hvsmetrics.com/ ). Everybody is free to leech it.
I have a tarball on my site. I just don't want to produce even more Gigs on traffic because 80% of the visitors of my page simply leech everything (yes, dumb they are) - and also, the work of always cleaning & zipping up the current sources is way too much to ask for, I have problems finding the time to compile a build and maybe add or modify some code. Just head over to xvid.org and use a CVS client of your choice, you can even enter a timestamp for which date you wish to have a snapshot.

If you really want the modified sources, join us on freenode in #xvid, all the folks would LOVE to delay their work for sending you the sources. And on the other hand, yes, there is some experimental code which isn't yet in CVS in my binaries sometimes - if it's good, it ends up in CVS, if it doesn't work, it ends up in /dev/null. Where is your point?

Hell, some people really tend to make the world a bad place - wanna accuse me of something? My code - if considered for being good - ends up in CVS and is publically available then.

HELL, you ruined my day, be proud of it. You can't by any chance do anything useful? I mean, instead of complaining, whining, and hiding behind "i don't want to make a fuzz"? Throwing in the big GPL letters and writing such a post is sure bad character.

VERY annoyed,
Koepi

[NuclearFusi0n]

relax koepi, it was an honest question.
i don't think he was questioning your intentions, just asking why the code hasn't ended up in CVS yet, seeing how you've been including it in your builds for quite a while now.
i don't see why you got so angry :(

[sam_b]

Koepi, I truly did not mean to insult, accuse or irritate you. Like pretty much everyone on this forum, I appreciate the efforts you make in helping out xvid, relaying feedback back to the mailing list, compiling builds and helping people out.

As for
You can't by any chance do anything useful? I mean, instead of complaining, whining, and hiding behind "i don't want to make a fuzz"?

I posted a thread about a possible bug in B-frames yesterday.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46968 Trying to be useful at least.

If you really do believe that I detract from this forum, rather than complement it, then let me know and I shall leave without a fuss, but I would rather not, as I think a lot of good stuff gets discussed.

I did not ask for the sources as a tarball, I just observed that you do provide one for your stable build. I can just use CVS. This was not a criticism.

I cannot get http://www.hvsmetrics.com/ to work at all. Just gets connection failed. I could not check his site.

I would also be on the Xvid dev mailing list, but that, dispite having tried two separate email addresses does not work.

I really did not mean to ruin your, or anyone elses day on this. I try to be useful on this forum and my previous post was not a deviation from this goal.

Apologies.

[Koepi]

Ok, I'm sorry, I misread your mail. It reminded me of the plenty of mails popping up a few months ago where several projects got killed because some jerks just threw in "if it's (connected to) GPL, you have to do this and that".

Now I can see your intention wasn't to criticise that I don't have a devel-snapshot online nor the added hvs metric.

My apologies to you that I thought that way.

Back to the original question, I honestly don't know why it's not yet in CVS - I never asked anyone to commit it, and we may need finetune it anyways - we should do reliable tests of it's performance. Some people reported that it didn't shrink the filesize. We need to check on that, it would be "another" lumi masking which doesn't work as expected by the "old" behaviour (as it redistributes bits within a frame instead of taking them away)... we need clarification on this, and after that I would ask to commit it.

Regards
Koepi

[sam_b]

Cheers Koepi

[ToiletDuck]

I've encoded a few movies using the latest xvid codec. Looks great using gknot. However there is one thing. Especially on minority report. I'm getting tons of mosquito noise. I'm kinda confused if using the noise reduction filters takes away from movie quality. I don't care about speed. But if it kills quality I wouldn't want to use it. Also.... Is there a program where I can choose how many passes I want done. Because I would have some go like 10 times over a movie while I sleep. It only takes about an hour a pass on my system so I wouldn't really mind doing it.
Duck

[Teegedeck]

Originally posted by ToiletDuck
I've encoded a few movies using the latest xvid codec. Looks great using gknot.
You use GKnot to edit XviD's stats-files?!?
I'm kinda confused if using the noise reduction filters takes away from movie quality.
Everything that filters out noise, filters out information. If there actually is noise, the effect is wanted; if there isn't noise, you just loose details. Load different filters and check out the effect in VirtualDub.
Also.... Is there a program where I can choose how many passes I want done.
What?!?!? You're talking about a different codec, man - the nth (=endless?) pass thingie is DivX5.0.3... :rolleyes:

[ToiletDuck]

hmmm I didn't know that 5.0.3 had that. Haven't used it. I haven't heard very good results about it. Was always told xvid was better.

[bond]

Originally posted by ToiletDuck
Especially on minority report. I'm getting tons of mosquito noise.minority report is know for that

[ToiletDuck]

well none the less I decided to do it with divx 5.0.3 this time. Using 2 disk with 640xXXX, light psychovisual effects, and left the nth pass setting for fast and slow motion movies in the middle position. I am doing 6 passes. Takes me about 1hr 15 min a pass. So while I sleep it's no biggie. However have you guys heard if there is any real differance between normal 2 pass mode and doing more than that? Does each mode make it that much better? (I know this is giong to sound funny) but if I'm going to be away for the weekend or week even could I just put a ton of turns in the que and come back to a much nicer movie? Would be nice to get about 20-30 passes a movie and have about 6-10 movies in cue while I'm gone. any ideas if several trips is any better than 2?

[zulu]

Originally posted by ToiletDuck
well none the less I decided to do it with divx 5.0.3 this time. Using 2 disk with 640xXXX, light psychovisual effects, and left the nth pass setting for fast and slow motion movies in the middle position. I am doing 6 passes. Takes me about 1hr 15 min a pass. So while I sleep it's no biggie. However have you guys heard if there is any real differance between normal 2 pass mode and doing more than that? Does each mode make it that much better? (I know this is giong to sound funny) but if I'm going to be away for the weekend or week even could I just put a ton of turns in the que and come back to a much nicer movie? Would be nice to get about 20-30 passes a movie and have about 6-10 movies in cue while I'm gone. any ideas if several trips is any better than 2?
i guess your questions belong to the divx5 forum.
search for n-pass/multipass and you will definitely find answers.

[Acaila]

Zulu's right, but just to point it out to people who expect miracles from the n-th pass feature:

e.g.
normal 2-pass: 97% relative quality
3 passes: 98.2%
4 passes: 99%
5 passes: 99.4%
6 passes: 99.7%
etc

So for the die hard quality freak it helps a bit, but don't expect to turn an ok movie into a perfect movie with a dozen passes. There's still only so many bits you can pass around, after a certain number of passes you won't gain anything anymore.

[N_F]

@Acaila

Are those numbers precise or did you just make them up to show the general idea? In the first case, where did you find them?

[Acaila]

It's just an example to illustrate the general idea. None of those values were determined in a experimental way (but still they shouldn't be too far off base).

[Morbo]

My way to reduce mosquito noise......
reduce the resolution.....

640xXXX is a bit high for high-motion/long movie.

Cheers!!!

[ToiletDuck]

yea but i'm not putting them onto disk. I have 120 gig harddrive just for movies I make backups of. So I give them room. Usually 2 disk worth if not more.