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[PkmoNk]

I've been reading some threads, and I see that they analyze the stats and change the settings of xvid accordingly to the stats? I'm not sure, but I just thought it shows you the complexity of the file. Can anyone show me how to use it correctly? hehe

[birdy]

PkmoNk,
this question has been asked many times and there have been no answer to it.
This should probably mean: If your not inteligent enough to understand it yourself, then get lost and don't wast intelligent peoples time :)

You don't at least get insulted and badly treated, as (lucky you) there is no guid about using this app and in no thread someone talked about the exact way to use it. So no one will say that you did not search for an answer. its just that you have a lack of IQ. hehe

Well from what a very low IQ man like me could understand this software gives you values to set for the high and low distence
from average. So what I did was simply load my stats file there and entered values sugested by the software for low and high distence in the altc box. I am almost sure that this is not all, I should be wrong somewhere, or maybe not!~ But this is all I could understand.

Altc manipulation and settings are not easy if you are not advanced user and I think such software are the only hope for non advanced users as it gives them the chance to use this settings and get better results.
Advanced users would maybe not even needs this app! But you need to be very patient and really motivated to get your needed info.

Now who knows, maybe someone will be on a good mood tonight or in a month and will decide to give you more details.

ALSO:
I was wondering and had a little question about xvid policy!
Usualy software developers (and not only developers but ones who really like a software) like it to become as popular as possible and to be widly used. This has unlimited benifits for developers and also users. To achive such goal, they should make it possible for a wide range of people to use it properly. For example xvid to my eyes is uncomparable with Divx. (don't ask me why! Just compare and see that it has much better overall quality then divx) But we all know that divx is more widly used and known!
What i think is that with the right policy new users will no longer be ignored and qulity tips and settings if there are any would not be a secret for just few advanced users!

[Koepi]

XviD doesn't have a policy like "get as widely used as possible"! It's just a fun project of several developers which they run in their spare time.

Hell, all the n00bs over at xvid.org asking those strange questions (help! no sound in the pirated movie i leeched!) tend to make the work very unpleasant for the main developers.

To put that into an answer:

a) don't use altCC. Use linear scaling, you'd be surprised how much better your encodes will get.
b) "quality tips" are no secret. Just don't use stuff which can mess up your encodes. Like altCC. Or very new experimental features.
c) Hitting "load defaults" will give amazing quality. (Well, in my old "stable" build the defaults suck. I should do something about that... at least for unstable builds better default settings were committed to CVS [they're still not perfect but i didn't want to do drastical cuts])

As a sidenote, birdy, the sound of your mail is very unpleasant. Nobody gets accused of lacking intelligence on a first question - only after mass-mailing and proving that as a fact. I feel you insulted pkmonk way too much here, I'd advise a public apology from you.

Regards
Koepi

[Franko30]

Hi,

I just wanted to let everybody know that there is at least one person out there who uses alt-cc! And the strangest settings (200/50) still give me the best results (lower avg. Quants and better visual quality) - although I regularly try linear scaling whith the new builds.

So, hopefully alt-cc will remain available.

Maybe it's because my source material never comes off a DVD, but from, well look at my signature.

But I have to agree - if I haven't been here for quite some time now - being able to watch all kinds of features appear, being discussed etc. - it really would be a pain in the ass finding all of this with the search function.

alt-cc for example is written ALT-CC, Alt CC, alt C C, altcc etc.

I saved some threads as PDF Files - but still they wouldn't qualify as help when condensed into some kind of guide, as nobody seems to be able to agree on some basic rules (for instance alt-cc settings).

I would volunteer to actually write down some kind of guide in German and English and maintain it - if only the people that know more than me (developers) could agree on the basics.

But I'll never start a guide and then be blamed for supposedly wrong conclusions...

Cheers

Frank

[birdy]

Originally posted by Koepi
XviD doesn't have a policy like "get as widely used as possible"! It's just a fun project of several developers which they run in their spare time.


As a sidenote, birdy, the sound of your mail is very unpleasant. Nobody gets accused of lacking intelligence on a first question - only after mass-mailing and proving that as a fact. I feel you insulted pkmonk way too much here, I'd advise a public apology from you.

Regards
Koepi

Koepi,
I thank you very much for the answers you provided to me (this thread and the advanced xvid guide). Actualy after wondering, searching, reading faq's and guides and a big time spended searching, I found some clear answers to my questions about altCC. I am now told not to use it and comming from you I am sure that its right.
But to know why I asked this question you have to experiment what I did. Do a search for Altcc and see how many threads you will find containing info on that! You will spend a very long time reading them all to finaly see that everyone has a different view about using that option! at the end more confused then before reading the threads you start using the advices! Now we are talking about encoding (wich takes long time) and you spend hours doing different encodes to see that there is no impouvment if not wors quality and then you tell yourself: "damn I didn't understand it" and would love to see a guide or someone help you with that!


About your answer on Xvid policy:
I respect that. Not only I don't expect anything more then what is already provided to us for free, but I thank you and am very greatful to you guys for sharing and giving us too a chance to use xvid.
But as I said before "I really like xvid" and can't stand the ignorence of so many people in other forums and places telling me that it's not good and that I should use "windows media encoder"!!!!
or divx wich at least is much better then wme.
I am at the same time sure that its not as simple as you explained things! when you say that :"It's just a fun project of several developers " I think you want to be very modest and simple. But if you know (I am sure you do) how many people already know and use xvid then you will see that it's probably NO LONGER a fun project of several developers, but it has become popular and many people are using it. When we say using it, it also means depending on it!
Now if I come to this site as a newbie, grab a guide and do an encode as explained, I will get an almost descent quality, almost as good as what I could get with divx!! ? But when helped and start understanding ...WOW what I achived with this encoder is simply amazing! So I didn't ment to ofend or be too much demanding, but simply say that xvid is the best and we should make it possible for everyone to know what they are missing if not using it and what they can do if they are!

I also said: "But after all I like xvid and the people involved and my comments (even if wrong) are with the best intensions."
So I personaly accepted that I could be wrong and this is even better then a public apology after the harm being done!

AND finaly about pkmonk,
I didn't insulted pkmonk!!!! I think you missunderstood my attention!
What i said to him was that he would maybe face such response but he should be patient and try to find the answers and also set myself at the same level and said that a low IQ man LIKE ME! (meaning that I would get same answer too) But if you think that I still have to opolegize for this then I don't mind :)

I think you read that before and no need to post link or past message when I personaly got REALLY INSULTED for asking a question that was not been asked before and not THAT stupid! maybe that got me somehow paranoid but I was really afraid of posting a question for sometime!
it was also funny for me reading some postings in other forums asking questions about xvid and saying that they are afraid to ask them here:) But for me I see that all my questions are answerd now:)
So wtf am I complaining about!
Peace cheef and excuse me if anything of what I said could ofend you or anyone else.

[PkmoNk]

blahs,
Don't know what to say. But feels like I should at least reply to thank everyone for helping :)

[birdy]

@PkmoNk,
well it's really good that you replyed. It gives me the chance to tell you personaly (I guess you understood my posting urself) that
I didn't ment to be ofending to you, but tried to say that it's not
easy to get an answer to your question and as you saw the thread was
totaly ignored for some time! But if in anycase (simply by missunderstanding) you felt that my first reply was ofending or not
apropriate then I PUBLICLY opologize to you my friend :)

Aslo the postive thing about this is at least we both got the answer to our questions. No more head akes <--(I'm sure wrong spelling!) about altcc :) just ignor it.