Quick Guide on DVD2one Full Backups (for V1.01/2)

[jdobbs]

Thought I'd throw together a quick guide for creating full backups using DVD2one. This is meant to help those who already spent $43 on DVD2one before InstantCopy was released and available for $19 (after rebate).

This method has worked every time (so far) for me:

You need DVDDecrypter (free), IFOEDIT (free), IFOUpdate (free), and DVD2one (v1.01 or .02). You will also need one of the plethora of burning packages.

1. Rip the movie to a directory in file mode using DVDDecrypter. Make sure you highlight ALL the files in the selection window, not just the ones highlight by default. In this guide we'll call the destination directory "d:\original"

2. Look at the directory and find the VTS (VOB set) that holds the movie. It is usually the largest set. In the example let's assume its VTS_02_X.VOB, so the files might be VTS_02_0.VOB through VTS_02_7.VOB.

3. Move (don't copy -- it takes too long) all the files in the VTS except the _0.VOB file to another directory. Let's call this directory d:\input. Rename them all to VTS_01_X.VOB (X represents whatever number is there already -- don't change it)

4. Run IFOEDIT and push the "Create IFOs" button. Choose the first file in the directory (d:\input\VTS_01_1.VOB). Make sure "Create a single PGC" and "Create Chapter for Each Cell" on clicked on. IFOEDIT will take a few minutes and create a new set of IFO files based upon the CELL structure in the d:\input directory.

5. Now create a new directory and call it d:\output.

6. Right click on in the "d:\original" directory (see step 1) and see how much space it takes (the part that's left over after you've moved the VTS files). This is the amount of space you need to reserve for extras/menus. Let's assume it is 600MB just for our example.

7. Run DVD2one. You'll see that the default size is 4472MB. Subtract the number you got in step 6 -- so 4472 - 600 = 3872. That's the size you want to set as output. In addition, to make sure I don't have to do it over, I subtract a little more. So I'll use 3800 (its a nice round number) -- enter it in the DVD2one size box.

8. Now set your DVD2one source to "d:\input" (or whatever name you used in step 3). Set the destination to "d:\output". Run DVD2one. You will see that there is always only one PGC at this point no matter what was in the original movie -- that's a good thing. IFOUpdate's job is to fix that later. Let DVD2one do its magic.

9. At the end you have a new VTS in the "d:\output" directory. It will include files ending in IFO, BUP, and VOB.

10. In the "d:\output" directory rename the files VTS_01_1.VOB through the last one (probably VTS_01_4.VOB) to match the original set names from step 2/3 (in our example it was named VTS_02_X.VOB). Many times you won't have to rename it because it was _01_ anyway. Now move the files (after renaming) to the "d:\original" directory. Remember: DON'T MOVE THE _0 FILE.

11. You're almost done. The VTS exists where it should, and the size is correct -- but the sector pointers in the original directory's VTS_02_0.IFO file points to places that don't exist anymore. IFOUpdate will fix that.

12. Run IFOUpdate. Set the original IFO Path to "d:\original\VTS_02_0.IFO" (or whatever name matches the VTS you worked on). Set the "Authored IFO Path" to the IFO created by DVD2one ("d:\output\VTS_01_0.IFO"). Under the "Mode" dropdown menu, select "Adjusted Cell Mode". In the "Options" dropdown menu make sure the only two items checked are "Autocorrect VTS Sectors" and "Autoanalyze Original IFO."

13. Push the "Update IFO" button.

14. You now have a directory ready to burn using the package of your choice. I normally run PowerDVD to make sure everything works before burning.

[Antonio S.]

@jdobbs:

Excellent guide!!!

Is there any way that this process can be modify, so instead of reducing main movie we can reduce extras? I tried to reduce small titles ( aprox.400 MB ) with DVD2one unsucessfully.:confused:
I think that is a bug in DVD2one that doesn't allowed to reduce anything smaller than 1GB. However, I know that there is a limitation when reducing files, especially when audio in this program is never compressed!

Antonio S.

[jdobbs]

@Antonio S.

There is a limit on the lower size in DVD2one? I didn't know that, I'll have to try it later.

You should be able to follow these same procedures with any of the original VTSs making it possible to shrink any set.

I also should have mentioned, there is a known problem with interleaved and/or seamless branching titles. Since IFOEDIT can't know (building from scratch) the fact that there was a listing in the "First ILVU VOBU end sector" pointer in the Cell Playback Information Table of the original IFO it can't be replicated. I'm trying to figure out a way to get around this.

[dexstar]

is there anyway we can keep just the menu and get rid of the other extras with this method ?

[Antonio S.]

@jdobbs:

Well, the problem may be that there are some DVD's that have many titles in the same set of VOBs. So each title may have to be processed individually, and later joint titles back with a program like VobEdit. However to avoid this, I use to reduce vobs files using ReMpeg and Ifoupdate. Sometimes succesfully and others times with problems. So my question again is, if there is a way to reduce Vob files with DVD2one, even when they have multiple titles inside? Maybe creating "Ifo" for those VOB's with IfoEdit?


@dextar:
is there anyway we can keep just the menu and get rid of the other extras with this method ? What would be the idea of having menus without extras?

Antonio S.

[dexstar]

Originally posted by Antonio S.
@jdobbs:

Well, the problem may be that there are some DVD's that have many titles in the same set of VOBs. So each title may have to be processed individually, and later joint titles back with a program like VobEdit. However to avoid this, I use to reduce vobs files using ReMpeg and Ifoupdate. Sometimes succesfully and others times with problems. So my question again is, if there is a way to reduce Vob files with DVD2one, even when they have multiple titles inside? Maybe creating "Ifo" for those VOB's with IfoEdit?


@dextar:
What would be the idea of having menus without extras?

Antonio S.


well would there be a way to keep menu and extras and down sample them more then the movie therefor keeping the movie high quality and the extras not so high quality

[jdobbs]

@Antonio S.

The number of titles should make no difference in this method. By following this sequence you are working at the cell level making the title count a non-player. You also don't have to process them individually. If you try to, you will very likely make the method fail. I would dump ReMPEG2 at the first opportunity. DVD2one or InstantCopy can both do what ReMPEG2 does much faster and with much better quality.

@dexstar,

You can choose which VTS to shrink. The choice for shrinking could be an Extra if that's what you want -- or you could do them all one at a time. Just adjust your output size based upon your goals.

You can also remove the things you don't want with IFOEdit -- just make sure you do it as the last step after you've shrunken the VOBs. There are way too many things that can go wrong if you try to process a DVD directory that has been modified.

[HeeD]

4. Run IFOEDIT and push the "Create IFOs" button. Choose the first file in the directory (d:\input\VTS_01_1.VOB). Make sure "Create a single PGC" and "Create Chapter for Each Cell" on clicked on. IFOEDIT will take a few minutes and create a new set of IFO files based upon the CELL structure in the d:\input directory.


jdobbs,

Can't you just use the original IFO that came on the DVD for a VTS and transcode with DVD2One 1.02, instead of "Create IFOs" ?. I have done this and it seems to work.

[nyplayer]

Heed,

You are right creating Ifo's through ifoedit messes up the Subtitle colors also it labels the audio and subs as Unknown. I always use the original IFO.

[Antonio S.]

@jdobbs:

Which version of IfoUpdate is the latest one, and where I can find it?

Antonio S.

[jdobbs]

@HeeD

Absolutely not. If there are multiple PGCs you will have to choose from one of them and you wouldn't be keeping the original structure. It may work on occasion with single PGCs -- but there are still other considerations that can occur even then as the IFO that is created by DVD2one was not intended to be a part of a larger set but as a single unit. Using IFOEDIT to break it out is essential. It creates an IFO that has the physical structure (by CELL) reflected in the IFO.

@nyplayer,

Creating the IFOs in IFOEDIT has no effect on the subtitle colors if you do it the way I've specified. DVD2one doesn't touch the subtitles/audio (except in removing when requested) so the streams/IDs remain intact. The subtitle information created by IFOEDIT is not used when you update the original IFO if you check only the options I've indicated -- and they stay in the original.

The thing to remember is that doing it this way actually USES the original IFO in the end. IFOUpdate only makes the changes necessary to that IFO. The creation of IFOs with IFOEDIT is an interim step used to ensure you can process multiple PGC titles.

[jdobbs]

@Antonio S.

The latest is V0.69 and Doom9 always has the latest updates on the download page.

http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Vobtools/IFOUpdate-v069.zip

[jdobbs]

Just a note -- I made a slight change to step 1 in the guide. I should have mentioned that you have to select ALL the files in DVDDecrypter's file mode.

[Antonio S.]

@jdobbs:

The latest is V0.69 and Doom9 always has the latest updates on the download page.

Thank you, now it works! As I post before, I can transcode VOB files that are larger than 1GB. I don't think DVD2one works with smaller ones:confused:
Do you think that you can make an application that would make this process automatic (create Ifo with ifoedit, transcode with DVD2one, repair Ifo with IfoUpdate)? That would be a GREAT TOOL!!!

Regards,

Antonio S.

[nyplayer]

jdobbs

Thanks for the guide followed your instructions worked like a charm.

[nyplayer]

jdobbs.

Well I thought everything went OK....but the subtitles came out green. Shouldn't there be a step added to copy the subtitle colors from the original ifo. I followed your guide step by step but my subtitles come out green... am I missing something???

[jdobbs]

There's no step to save the colors from the original IFO because at the end the original IFO is the one that is used -- and the subtitle colors shouldn't have changed...

If possible try this: Using IFOEDIT open up both IFOs. Then go to the PGCITI and the PGC -- at offset 0A5 is the color tables. Check and see if they have changed (between the original and the one you used).

[Antonio S.]

@jdobbs:4. Run IFOEDIT and push the "Create IFOs" button. Choose the first file in the directory (d:\input\VTS_01_1.VOB). Make sure "Create a single PGC" and "Create Chapter for Each Cell" on clicked on. IFOEDIT will take a few minutes and create a new set of IFO files based upon the CELL structure in the d:\input directory... Is there a way to modify Ifoupdate, so its text editor may change the PGC information (multiple PGC's) to one PGC, and readjust the numbers of cells, so this step #4 may be avoided? It is easier to change the information in the "Ifo" than create a new one...

Antonio S.

[atreides93]

2Cool and I had a thread already posted about how to make full backups, and we included a spreadsheet to help with the calculations. maybe you can merge the two?
One advantage in his method is you don't have to use IFOedit, just Ifoupdate. Ifoedit is incredibly slow...i hate using it for anything, especially creating new ifos.

[Antonio S.]

@atreides93:

Sorry for my ignorance, but what's the idea of the "SPREADSHEET"?

I also hate creating Ifos with Ifoedit, but is the only way to fool DVD2one to transcode the whole set of VOBs, since the new created Ifo by Ifoedit, only has 1 PGC with many cells instead of many PGCs (titles)...

Antonio S.

[BIACS]

First, thank you jdobbs for the quick guide above, the instructions are great. I just bought a Sony DRU-500AX and this was my first attempt to backup a DVD, before this I was doing DVD-SVCD rips.

I believe I may be doing something wrong and hope someone may be able to help. I am trying to backup the movie Three Kings. The main movie is 5.12gb and the rest including extras is 2.14gb of which the extras set of VTS's are 2.13gb. I ran through the steps above and I think I had to reduce the main files to 2600mb (it may have been less). When I was done and burned to a DVD-RW it played fine but I decided to do it again and try to reduce the size of the extras to 800mb so I wouldn't have to reduce the main files as much. I created two sets of input and output folders (one for main files and one for the 3 extra VTS's). My first step was to IFOEDIT the VTS_02 set (after renaiming them VTS_01..) and run DVD2ONE. I set the size to 800mb and copied the VTS's back to the main directory (except the VTS_02_0) and proceeded to do the same with the main movie files. After I was done I was able to play the movie fine with Power DVD and pointing to the files on my HD. When I burned them to the RW with Nero and tried playing them I got an error message that a disc with an unsupported format was in my DVD player. My question is if I should have also moved the IFO and BUP files created by DVD2ONE when I edited the extra set of VTS's and if I should have run IFOUPDATE then gone back and repeated steps 3 - 13 on the main movie files? All I moved back from the Extras folder were the VTS files.

I'm also confused that they played using Power DVD and pointing to the IFO's but not after burning. The first job worked after burning when I didn't touch the extra set of VTS's and only worked on the main files.

Thanks

[free2go]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@HeeD

Absolutely not. If there are multiple PGCs you will have to choose from one of them and you wouldn't be keeping the original structure. It may work on occasion with single PGCs -- but there are still other considerations that can occur even then as the IFO that is created by DVD2one was not intended to be a part of a larger set but as a single unit. Using IFOEDIT to break it out is essential. It creates an IFO that has the physical structure (by CELL) reflected in the IFO.


I tried the guide with Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace (multi-angle?)
Ifoupdate(0.69) failed in step 13 with error msg:
ERROR: The new IFO file has more cells than the original. ABORTING.

Check the original ifo with ifoedit 0.95:
VTS_06_0.IFO
The main movie (2:16:4.06) is in PGC_1 (Programs: 51) (Cells: 80) (uses VOB-IDs: 1-7)
PGC_2 (0:0:36.16) (Programs: 3) (Cells: 3) (uses VOB-IDs:8,6,9)
PGC_3 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 10)
PGC_4 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 11)
PGC_5 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 12)
PGC_6 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 13)
PGC_7 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 14)
PGC_8 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 15)

The new authored ifo VTS_01_0.IFO:
PGC_1 (02:19:37.23) (Programs: 82) (Cells: 88) (uses VOB-IDs: 1-15)

Any help will be appreciated. IC 7 can handle the Title correctly.

[aaz]

Thanks, it works fine. But as someone said, why not guide us about the way to take out all the extra's and keep the main movie with the menus?

[atreides93]

Just look at the post 2Cool posted in here. Its on page 2 now...maybe page 3 by the time you read this.

The spreadsheet makes sense when you read his method. You don't have to create new IFO's...
maybe i'm missing something here. but oh well. using his method I made a perfect backup with menus and extras all using dvd2one and ifoupdate. no need for ifoedit

[atreides93]

found it for you.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46338

[Doctor_syn]

Newb Here ( Let me apologize in advance )

*My request is for slight guidance and NOT for spoon-feeding. :)

JDobbs...

I am attempting to "archive" an animated collection DVD and have not had any success with Pinnacles IC and stumbled across your guide.

Before I dive in.... I wanted to know if your guide would work with my type of disc...meaning a disc with 11 EP files rather than one movie file? The 11 eps are isolated to 11 vobs each weighing in about 500 - 600 megs each.... and I am wondering if anyone else has validated the claim that DVD2ONE cannot process files less than 1GB??

So in short...
Will your guide work with an "episode type" disc and if so...do I need to make any special accommodations for them during the process other than what is stated in your guide?

And has anyone else NOT been able to use DVD2ONE on files less than 1 GB..

Thank you again for your continued assistance to all.

[svcdentro]

HI
I JUST PROVED IT WITH 2 DVDS AND IT'S EXCELLENT, YOU MUST KNOW I WAS USING TRILIGHT METHOD BEFORE DVD2ONE EXISTED BUT NOW I CAN SAVE MANY TIME, THANKS AND CONGRATULATIONS JDOBBS KEEP WORKING!

[fooljoe]

jdobbs, followed your guide a few times, and each time when I go to burn the finished package, nero whines about dvd-video compatibility. it says that vts_1_05.vob is required and missing (i.e. vobs cut out after transcoding.) usually, i go ahead and burn anyway successfully, but sometimes it causes the burn to fail, and i worry that if nero spots a compatibility error perhaps some standalones will too.

is there something else that can be done in ifoupdate/ifoedit to fix this?

[leisuredoc]

Doctor_syn,

2COOL already covered Multi-episodes with DVD2ONE in: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=46338

I don't know about this problem with VOBs less that 1 GB, though.

Cheers!

leisuredoc
;)

[jdobbs]

@free2go

I did Star Wars the Phantom Menace with no problems following this guide (NTSC).

@All

Just a warning. I've seen several cases where it appears people have gone into the original IFO and edited it with IFOEDIT (removing features, etc) prior to running this method and then complain because it doesn't work. If you do this, it is likely that you will fail. You have to follow the guide exactly. If you want to remove pieces -- do it only after you've completed the entire DVD and see if it works. Removing parts of the IFO before starting can cause "orphaned" CELLs.

[free2go]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@free2go

I did Star Wars the Phantom Menace with no problems following this guide (NTSC).

@All

Just a warning. I've seen several cases where it appears people have gone into the original IFO and edited it with IFOEDIT (removing features, etc) prior to running this method and then complain because it doesn't work. If you do this, it is likely that you will fail. You have to follow the guide exactly. If you want to remove pieces -- do it only after you've completed the entire DVD and see if it works. Removing parts of the IFO before starting can cause "orphaned" CELLs.

Maybe I have different version DVD of Star Wars the Phantom Menace (NTSC). Does yours main movie on VTS_06_0.IFO?


Originally posted by free2go
I tried the guide with Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace (multi-angle?)
Ifoupdate(0.69) failed in step 13 with error msg:
ERROR: The new IFO file has more cells than the original. ABORTING.

Check the original ifo with ifoedit 0.95:
VTS_06_0.IFO
The main movie (2:16:4.06) is in PGC_1 (Programs: 51) (Cells: 80) (uses VOB-IDs: 1-7)
PGC_2 (0:0:36.16) (Programs: 3) (Cells: 3) (uses VOB-IDs:8,6,9)
PGC_3 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 10)
PGC_4 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 11)
PGC_5 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 12)
PGC_6 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 13)
PGC_7 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 14)
PGC_8 (0:0:01.20) (Programs: 1) (Cells: 1) (uses VOB-IDs: 15)

The new authored ifo VTS_01_0.IFO:
PGC_1 (02:19:37.23) (Programs: 82) (Cells: 88) (uses VOB-IDs: 1-15)

Any help will be appreciated. IC 7 can handle the Title correctly.


I did not modify/delete anything in original IFO file. But I still
has the error message.

I suspect that the error msg actual mean the original IFO file has 1 more cell than the new VTS_01_0.IFO has. This is probably caused by
PGC_2 in original VTS_06_0.IFO, which shares one cell with PGC_1 (VOB-ID:6 Cell:33). IF we count the shared cell, the original IFO file will
have (1x80+1x3+6x1)=89 cells and new IFO file has only 88 cell which is expected.

Tried ifoupdate 0.67 and 0.69. got same error msg.

[mike4692]

FreetoGo

are you updateing the ifo in udjusted cell mode , if not this could be your problem , if in standard mode it will through up an error as it will see more cells that what was originally there eg .

With Spiderman the original had 28 cells but the dvd2one had 40 , done it with adjusted cell mode , update successfull :0)

just a thought m8

[jdobbs]

@FreetoGo

Also, use the graphic view in IFOUpdate in v0.69 and see if there are any angles (shown in the VOB file as FOA, MOA, and LOA). If so, check the "Ignore Angles" option.

[free2go]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@FreetoGo

Also, use the graphic view in IFOUpdate in v0.69 and see if there are any angles (shown in the VOB file as FOA, MOA, and LOA). If so, check the "Ignore Angles" option.

The graphic view in v0.69 shows 2xFOA, 2xMOV and 2xLOA.

Checked "Ignore Angles" option and got same error msg.

I use ifoedit 0.95. ifoupdate 0.69.

Is that shared cell in PRC_2 (VOB-ID:6 cell: 33) causes all these
trouble?

Thanks for the help!

[free2go]

Originally posted by mike4692
FreetoGo

are you updateing the ifo in udjusted cell mode , if not this could be your problem , if in standard mode it will through up an error as it will see more cells that what was originally there eg .

With Spiderman the original had 28 cells but the dvd2one had 40 , done it with adjusted cell mode , update successfull :0)

just a thought m8

I follow the guide exactly. It works for other DVD titles (no angle).
same problem with multi-angle while using makeiteasy 0.15. I saw
the copy playing 2x3 angles in a loop.

Or maybe I should rip the angle out to fix the problem.

[mnibond]

on your guide step 4.
where do I save the output.
same as input
or d:\output.

[arenavles]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thought I'd throw together a quick guide for creating full backups using DVD2one. This is meant to help those who already spent $43 on DVD2one before InstantCopy was released and available for $19 (after rebate).

This method has worked every time (so far) for me:

You need DVDDecrypter (free), IFOEDIT (free), IFOUpdate (free), and DVD2one (v1.01 or .02). You will also need one of the plethora of burning packages.

1. Rip the movie to a directory in file mode using DVDDecrypter. Make sure you highlight ALL the files in the selection window, not just the ones highlight by default. In this guide we'll call the destination directory "d:\original"

2. Look at the directory and find the VTS (VOB set) that holds the movie. It is usually the largest set. In the example let's assume its VTS_02_X.VOB, so the files might be VTS_02_0.VOB through VTS_02_7.VOB.

3. Move (don't copy -- it takes too long) all the files in the VTS except the _0.VOB file to another directory. Let's call this directory d:\input. Rename them all to VTS_01_X.VOB (X represents whatever number is there already -- don't change it)

4. Run IFOEDIT and push the "Create IFOs" button. Choose the first file in the directory (d:\input\VTS_01_1.VOB). Make sure "Create a single PGC" and "Create Chapter for Each Cell" on clicked on. IFOEDIT will take a few minutes and create a new set of IFO files based upon the CELL structure in the d:\input directory.

5. Now create a new directory and call it d:\output.

6. Right click on in the "d:\original" directory (see step 1) and see how much space it takes (the part that's left over after you've moved the VTS files). This is the amount of space you need to reserve for extras/menus. Let's assume it is 600MB just for our example.

7. Run DVD2one. You'll see that the default size is 4472MB. Subtract the number you got in step 6 -- so 4472 - 600 = 3872. That's the size you want to set as output. In addition, to make sure I don't have to do it over, I subtract a little more. So I'll use 3800 (its a nice round number) -- enter it in the DVD2one size box.

8. Now set your DVD2one source to "d:\input" (or whatever name you used in step 3). Set the destination to "d:\output". Run DVD2one. You will see that there is always only one PGC at this point no matter what was in the original movie -- that's a good thing. IFOUpdate's job is to fix that later. Let DVD2one do its magic.

9. At the end you have a new VTS in the "d:\output" directory. It will include files ending in IFO, BUP, and VOB.

10. In the "d:\output" directory rename the files VTS_01_1.VOB through the last one (probably VTS_01_4.VOB) to match the original set names from step 2/3 (in our example it was named VTS_02_X.VOB). Many times you won't have to rename it because it was _01_ anyway. Now move the files (after renaming) to the "d:\original" directory. Remember: DON'T MOVE THE _0 FILE.

11. You're almost done. The VTS exists where it should, and the size is correct -- but the sector pointers in the original directory's VTS_02_0.IFO file points to places that don't exist anymore. IFOUpdate will fix that.

12. Run IFOUpdate. Set the original IFO Path to "d:\original\VTS_02_0.IFO" (or whatever name matches the VTS you worked on). Set the "Authored IFO Path" to the IFO created by DVD2one ("d:\output\VTS_01_0.IFO"). Under the "Mode" dropdown menu, select "Adjusted Cell Mode". In the "Options" dropdown menu make sure the only two items checked are "Autocorrect VTS Sectors" and "Autoanalyze Original IFO."

13. Push the "Update IFO" button.

14. You now have a directory ready to burn using the package of your choice. I normally run PowerDVD to make sure everything works before burning.

Excellent guide but something doesnt work.(at least for me) I followed your guide step by step many times and the result was a coaster everytime. I use nero to burn my movies and i did notice that when i follow your guide, for some reason nero gives me the following message when i go to burn it. VTS_02_0.VOB cant be allocated. Am i doing something wrong. The guide says to leave it in the original folder. Let me know if their is something i should do. Thanks

[jdobbs]

If the file is in the original folder, you move into (step 10) and burn from the original folder... how can it be missing?

[aaron10]

mnibond,

You will have 3 directories to work with: (1) the Original Directory where the movie was ripped; the Input Directory where you'll move the VOB set and where you'll save the IFOs created by ifoedit; and the Output Directory where DVD2ONE will create the "reduced calorie" version.

Thus, move the VOB set you're working on from the Original Directory to the Input Directory. Run ifoedit (Create IFOs) against the VOBs in the Input Directory, saving the IFOs to the Input Directory. Run DVD2ONE with the Input Directory as the Source and the Output Directory as the Destination.

Follow the guide from there on...

[aaron10]

arenavles,

JDobbs used the VTS_02_X.VOB set as an example only. I would let SmartRipper or DVD Decrypter select the movie for you initially then you know which VOB set contains the movie. After you note the movie's VOB set, you can select ALL the files for ripping to the Original Directory on your hard disk.

Let's say the movie's VOB set is VTS_04_0.VOB - VTS_04_5.VOB. You need to move VTS_04_1.VOB - VTS_04_5.VOB from the Original Directory to the Input Directory, leaving VTS_04_0.VOB behind in the Original Directory. Thus, VTS_04_1.VOB - VTS_04_5.VOB are no longer in the Original Directory -- they are now in the Input Directory only.

For ifoedit to do its work, you need to rename the files you just moved to the Input Directory. Rename according to this scheme: VTS_04_1.VOB becomes VTS_01_1.VOB and VTS_04_2.VOB becomes VTS_01_2.VOB, etc. Once all the files are renamed. Run ifoedit (Create IFOs), selecting VTS_01_1.VOB from the Input Directory. ifoedit will analyze the structure of the VOB set and produce IFOs corresponding to the structure.

Once ifoedit has done its work, run DVD2ONE. Set the Source as the Input Directory and the Destination as the Output Directory. Once DVD2ONE is finished, rename the VOB set that DVD2ONE has produced in the Output Directory to correspond to the original VOB set. For example, rename VTS_01_1.VOB to VTS_04_1.VOB and VTS_01_2.VOB to VTS_04_2.VOB, etc. (DO NOT do anything with the VTS_01_0.VOB that DVD2ONE produced. You will NOT rename it or move it.) Once you're finished renaming the files, move them from the Output Directory to the Original Directory. DO NOT move the DVD2ONE produced VTS_01_0.VOB or the DVD2ONE produced BUPs or IFOs, however.

The last step is to use ifoupdate. Make sure the settings reflect those in the guide (i.e., Under the "Mode" dropdown menu, select "Adjusted Cell Mode". In the "Options" dropdown menu make sure the only two items checked are "Autocorrect VTS Sectors" and "Autoanalyze Original IFO). Select VTS_04_0.IFO in the Original Directory as the Original IFO Path and VTS_01_0.IFO (the IFO that DVD2ONE produced) in the Output Directory as the Authored IFO Path. Press the "Update IFO" button.

This last stage is critical. If the paths are incorrect, the IFOs will be updated incorrectly and Nero might pitch an odd error like you witnessed because the VOB structure is not correct.

[BIACS]

The steps above did work for me when I only edited the main movie files. Why does it not work (or what needs to be done differently) to edit extras from a DVD as well. For example. I ripped my copy of Three Kings to the hard drive. Create Input & Output folders and Extras Input & Extras Output folders. I moved the main vob's to the Input folder and the 3 vob's for extras to the Extras Input folder. The extras did have to be renamed to VTS_01.... I ran IFOEdit in both folders, saving the output from IFOEdit to the same folder. Ran DVD2ONE from each input folder with the ouput folders to their corresponding locations. I then moved the VTS_01_01 - XX.VOB's back to the main directory where I ripped the movie. I did rename the files in the Extras Output folder to their original format, including the IFO file created by DVD2ONE.

Now my main directory has the original BUP, IFO's, and the edited VOB's. I ran IFO Update and picked the original IFO's from the main directory and the IFO's from the proper Output folders also. When I run PowerDVD and point to the VIDEO_TS file the movie plays fine from the hard drive. When I burn it with Nero it burns fine with no errors. When I try to play it with Power DVD it says Disc with Invalid Format.

When I followed JDobbs steps and didn't touch the extra VOB's it burned and played fine. I wanted to reduce the extras however to allow for more space for the main VOB's.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

BIACS

[2COOL]

Originally posted by BIACS
When I burn it with Nero it burns fine with no errors. When I try to play it with Power DVD it says Disc with Invalid Format.

How did you burn it in Nero ?

[BIACS]

Used the DVD Wizard and selected Compile New DVD, Other DVD Formats, DVD Video. The compilation window already had both an Audio and Video_TS folder, copied the contents to the Video_TS folder and burned to DVD-RW. When I did the same steps after only editing the main movie VOB's it worked fine. That's what has me confused. Before I burned either project, I tested them with PowerDVD playing the files off the hard drive. Both worked fine (extras were accessable) but only the one project would play off DVD in PowerDVD after burning.

My Nero version is 5.5.10.7

[arenavles]

Originally posted by aaron10
arenavles,

JDobbs used the VTS_02_X.VOB set as an example only. I would let SmartRipper or DVD Decrypter select the movie for you initially then you know which VOB set contains the movie. After you note the movie's VOB set, you can select ALL the files for ripping to the Original Directory on your hard disk.

Let's say the movie's VOB set is VTS_04_0.VOB - VTS_04_5.VOB. You need to move VTS_04_1.VOB - VTS_04_5.VOB from the Original Directory to the Input Directory, leaving VTS_04_0.VOB behind in the Original Directory. Thus, VTS_04_1.VOB - VTS_04_5.VOB are no longer in the Original Directory -- they are now in the Input Directory only.

For ifoedit to do its work, you need to rename the files you just moved to the Input Directory. Rename according to this scheme: VTS_04_1.VOB becomes VTS_01_1.VOB and VTS_04_2.VOB becomes VTS_01_2.VOB, etc. Once all the files are renamed. Run ifoedit (Create IFOs), selecting VTS_01_1.VOB from the Input Directory. ifoedit will analyze the structure of the VOB set and produce IFOs corresponding to the structure.

Once ifoedit has done its work, run DVD2ONE. Set the Source as the Input Directory and the Destination as the Output Directory. Once DVD2ONE is finished, rename the VOB set that DVD2ONE has produced in the Output Directory to correspond to the original VOB set. For example, rename VTS_01_1.VOB to VTS_04_1.VOB and VTS_01_2.VOB to VTS_04_2.VOB, etc. (DO NOT do anything with the VTS_01_0.VOB that DVD2ONE produced. You will NOT rename it or move it.) Once you're finished renaming the files, move them from the Output Directory to the Original Directory. DO NOT move the DVD2ONE produced VTS_01_0.VOB or the DVD2ONE produced BUPs or IFOs, however.

The last step is to use ifoupdate. Make sure the settings reflect those in the guide (i.e., Under the "Mode" dropdown menu, select "Adjusted Cell Mode". In the "Options" dropdown menu make sure the only two items checked are "Autocorrect VTS Sectors" and "Autoanalyze Original IFO). Select VTS_04_0.IFO in the Original Directory as the Original IFO Path and VTS_01_0.IFO (the IFO that DVD2ONE produced) in the Output Directory as the Authored IFO Path. Press the "Update IFO" button.

This last stage is critical. If the paths are incorrect, the IFOs will be updated incorrectly and Nero might pitch an odd error like you witnessed because the VOB structure is not correct.

Thank you very much for all of you guys taking some time to answer back. I did exactly what everyone says, but it still gives me the same error. There is another thing i forgot to say. When i use IFOUpdate the final step, there are three steps to do. Original Directory, Output Directory and Backup IFO Path. Does this Backup IFO Path have anything to do with the error i am getting. The path i use is the Original Directory. Like i said I am doing everything by the guide, nothing is different. I went over it at least 20 times and i have 18 coaters which will play on my computer with PowerDVD but not in my Standalone player. I find this weird cause when i use the simple way with DVD2ONE which is keeping just the movie, it plays perfectly in many players not only mine. I am using the same media every time. I dont know why but it doesnt work for me. I am trying realy hard cause i would like to have the menus included. Thanks again for all of everyones help.

[aaron10]

BIACS,

I think you're trying to do too much at one time. I'd only do one VOB set at a time, leaving everything else in the Original Directory.

You say,

I did rename the files in the Extras Output folder to their original format, including the IFO file created by DVD2ONE. The last part of the sentence worries me. Let's run through one extra...

For example, let's say you want to shrink an extra that's comprised of VTS_03_0.VOB - VTS_03_2.VOB. You would move VTS_03_1.VOB and VTS_03_2.VOB to the Input Directory, leaving VTS_03_0.VOB in the Original Directory. Rename these 2 files now in the Input Directory to VTS_01_1.VOB and VTS_01_2.VOB. Run ifoedit and choose Create IFOs. Select VTS_01_1.VOB and let ifoedit create the IFOs based on the title set's structure.

Now, run DVD2ONE with Source pointing to the Input Directory and Destination pointing to the Output Directory. Adjust the output size to shrink the file to whatever size you deem appropriate. Once complete, rename the file(s) to correspond to the original title set. If only one VOB was produced (VTS_01_1.VOB) in addition to VTS_01_0.VOB, you'd rename it VTS_03_1.VOB. (If you got 2, then rename the second VTS_03_2.VOB.) DON'T DO ANYTHING with the DVD2ONE produced VTS_01_0.VOB. Move the renamed VOBs ONLY to the Original Directory. DO NOT move the IFOs or BUPs.

Now you need to update the original IFO to reflect the changes. Fire up ifoupdate. Set the menu items according to JDobbs' guide. Point Original IFO Path to VTS_03_0.IFO in the Original Directory. Point Authored IFO Path to VTS_01_0.IFO in the DVD2ONE Output Directory. Press the Update IFO button.

You can now test to make sure everything is working properly. Once you're sure of that, follow the same procedure for the next extra. Once you have completed all the extras that you want to reduce, you can determine how much space is left for the movie and reduce its size accordingly.

[aaron10]

arenavles,

Get rid of the backup IFO (XXX.IFO.BAK). Move it somewhere else or delete it -- but get it out of the Original Directory. I'm not sure if that's all of your problem, but the backup file should not be included in the burn.

You might try simulating a burn rather than doing a burn until you get things hammered out. This will point out any errors that might be encountered during an actual burn but it won't produce a coaster. (You'll need to load a disc into the drive for the simulation but nothing will be burned to the disc.) Look on the settings tabs (maybe on the Burn tab) and check Simulate instead of Write. The simulation process takes as much time to run through as the burn itself but it might save you a disc. Once things appear to work without a hitch, check Write and proceed with the actual burn.

[BIACS]

Originally posted by aaron10
DON'T DO ANYTHING with the DVD2ONE produced VTS_01_0.VOB nor with the DVD2ONE produced BUPs or IFOs.[/B]

Thanks, I'll give that a try. I thought the directions indicated to rename all the files back to their original part number. I'll try it again and not rename the IFO in the Extras Output folder, only the VOB's.

BIACS

[aaron10]

My biggest concern was that you are doing something more with the DVD2ONE IFO than just using it in the IFO update step. It should not be moved from the DVD2ONE Output Directory and it is not necessary to rename it. In addition, the DVD2ONE produced VTS_01_0.VOB should not be moved and it need not be renamed. It is not used at all.

[BIACS]

Originally posted by aaron10
In addition, the DVD2ONE produced VTS_01_0.VOB should not be moved and it need not be renamed. It is not used at all.
That's where I'm getting confused then. In jdobbs instructions it says to point IFOUpdate to the IFO created by DVD2ONE in your output folder (step #12), should that only be done for the main movie? I thought I was also supposed to run IFOUpdate on VTS_02_0.IFO so it would see the changes (1 VOB instead of 3) that now exist in output folder for the extras VOB's. When you said it is not used at all, did you mean only the extras IFO was not used and I should have only run IFOUpdate on the IFO's (original and DVD2ONE produced) for the main movie?

BIACS

[jdobbs]

@arenavles

If it runs on the hard drive but not on a disc it is almost always due to not having "Autocorrect VTS Sectors" checked... Step 12.

Also -- don't use the original directory as the backup directory. As aaron10 mentioned, it will cause confusion on most players if you try to burn with that file in the VIDEO_TS directory. I usually have it point to any "Temp" directory I have. It is only there to restore your IFO in the event of a failed update.