Why does .bin filesize exceed 800MB?

[MDesigner]

I had a previous thread locked, not sure why. I read over the FAQ again and live Q&A... I saw a section that suggested "Uncheck min avg. and you could try setting min. bitrate to 0." I tried that, I still get these huge 849MB files.

If I'm missing something in the FAQ/Q&A, I apologize. I'd just like to at least get pointed in the right direction here...

Thanks.

PS: I understand filesize isn't really that important (obviously, since I'd be burning 800MB onto a 700MB CD). But, when I do try to burn the 2nd CD, I get a warning about overburning and possibly ruining the drive. The FAQ did not mention overburning, so I don't want to take the risk.

[MDesigner]

WNASPI32.DLL 4.71.1.0
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- 2/21/2003 12:33:56 AM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.1.2 build 1
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 2/21/2003 12:33:58 AM
- Analyzing subtitles
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Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x20 Language: English
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x21 Language: English
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x22 Language: Español
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x23 Language: Español
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x24 Language: Español
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x25 Language: Español

Executing subtitle selection/verification.
Subtitle selection/verification accepted.
1 subtitle streams selected.
Saving Subtitles ini file
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- 2/21/2003 12:34:07 AM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\VTS_05_1.vob,C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\VTS_05_2.vob,C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\VTS_05_3.vob,C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\VTS_05_4.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 2/21/2003 12:37:42 AM
- Free on drive C: 56272.27 mb
- Extracting the subtitles.
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Subtitle extraction finished. Extracted these subtitles:
SVCD Stream no: 1 Language: English Num. of subs: 1590

Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
Permanent subtitles.
Saving Subtitles ini file
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- 2/21/2003 12:46:01 AM
- Free on drive C: 56271.98 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Audio extraction finished.

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- 2/21/2003 12:50:56 AM
- Free on drive C: 56271.87 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 2/21/2003 1:34:34 AM
- Free on drive C: 56286.54 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 2/21/2003 1:34:42 AM
- Free on drive C: 56286.54 mb
- Video Encoding using TMPGEnc
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Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
Permanent subtitles.
- Encoding C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1498707655 (1463582kb) Predicted: 839367776 (819695kb) Using CQ Value: 80.00
Calculated next CQ Value: 101.12
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1498707655 (1463582kb) Predicted: 1549153050 (1512845kb) Using CQ Value: 101.12
Calculated next CQ Value: 99.07
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1498707655 (1463582kb) Predicted: 1547239796 (1510976kb) Using CQ Value: 99.07
Calculated next CQ Value: 97.15
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1498707655 (1463582kb) Predicted: 1540653874 (1504545kb) Using CQ Value: 97.15
Calculated next CQ Value: 95.52
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1498707655 (1463582kb) Predicted: 1529176949 (1493337kb) Using CQ Value: 95.52
Calculated next CQ Value: 94.35
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1498707655 (1463582kb) Predicted: 1514872292 (1479367kb) Using CQ Value: 94.35
Calculated next CQ Value: 93.74
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1498707655 (1463582kb) Predicted: 1502784264 (1467563kb) Using CQ Value: 93.74
Calculated next CQ Value: 93.59
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1498707655 (1463582kb) Predicted: 1498934239 (1463803kb) Using CQ Value: 93.59
Calculated next CQ Value: 93.58
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding Test Clip C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file_CQ_TEST.avs
Wanted: 1498707655 (1463582kb) Predicted: 1498675455 (1463550kb) Using CQ Value: 93.58
Final CQ Value: 93.58
- Encoding C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\AviSynth_Script_file.avs
StreamSectors: 1666479976
AudioSectors: 136277036
VideoPAPO: 23703660
ScanOffsetBytes: 120696
SeqAligningBytes: 7670920
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 300.00
PureMPEGStream: 1498707655.30
Seconds: 5602.39
CalcMPEGStream: 1498707655.30
Frames: 134107
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 2
Cut point 795.00
Using CQ Value: 93.49
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (borders added, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
BilinearResize(480,360)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
AvisynthSubtitler("C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\Subs\","permsubs.txt")
----AVS End----

Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\DVD Ripping\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

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- 2/21/2003 5:00:49 PM
- Free on drive C: 57096.25 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 2/21/2003 5:00:52 PM
- Free on drive C: 57096.24 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 2/21/2003 5:00:56 PM
- Free on drive C: 57096.21 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 2/21/2003 5:00:58 PM
- Free on drive C: 57096.21 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2755 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 2757
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 2/21/2003 5:15:13 PM
- Free on drive C: 55502.23 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2759.758 seconds C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
2836.585 seconds C:\Documents and Settings\Sam\Desktop\the good girl\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 2/21/2003 5:17:04 PM
- Free on drive C: 55502.23 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 15

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\VCDXBU~1.XML"
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- 2/21/2003 5:19:26 PM
- Free on drive C: 54696.34 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 14

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "C:\DOCUME~1\Sam\Desktop\THEGOO~1\VCDXBU~2.XML"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 2/21/2003 5:21:51 PM
- Free on drive C: 53886.12 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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[markrb]

I had a previous thread locked, not sure why.Did you read the comments?
Your title did not conform to forum rules. You gave us no info and this type of problem is common.
I believe in fact you did read the comments since this post has all the information required to start and a good title.

I deleted the avs and ini files as those are not needed to start. Actually the avs file is included in the log file already.

My initial guess is that your problem is using CQ mode of TMPG. It is very unreliable and can result in this sort of a problem. In fact it's fairly common and a search on the right terms would find results, although sometimes knowing what those terms are can be problematic.

For more info on this try searching too big or TMPG large or any combination of words like this. I tried and got several good hits, but they all tend to say the same thing that it is CQ mode that is doing it.

Mark

[dvd2svcd]

Set the "file prediction factor" to 0.95 in the encoder tab. That should do the tirck.

EDIT:
I can see in the other thread that you have these filesizes:

CD1: 844,986,576 bytes
CD2: 848,603,952 bytes

That is 809 MB for each CD. Which is _perfect_ for 80 minutes CD-R's. Actually you can burn 815 mb images without overburn. Did you try to burn the images or did you post here because you thought there was a bug, without investigating a bit further?

If you need help for burning read the recommended way to do so in the Q&A

[MDesigner]

Hey

Thanks for the replies. I did a lot more searching and I think it's left me more confused. Some people say CQ is the way to go, just raise the offset to 90 or 100. Others say 2pass VBR is better quality. I'm sure both are good quality...but what I really want is to make sure the file will not exceed 800MB.

So should I raise the CQ Offset val? Or just switch to 2pass VBR? I'm not sure which would work better for me. I'll try 2pass VBR overnight and see how that goes.

[RB]

Did you even bother reading dvd2svcd's reply? The file sizes you got are perfectly valid. Remember that one megabyte is not 1.000.000 but 1.048.576 bytes. Burn your .bin files (remember you actually have to select the .cue file), it will perfectly fit on a 700 MB CD. Remember that SVCDs are burnt in ISO mode 2, so the 800 MB will fit on a 700 MB CD.

[MDesigner]

I did read it, yes. I'm just a bit concerned about burning to CD when it warns me that it might damage the burner.

I was using Alcohol 120% to burn, though, which is a killer app. I will try the recommended app to burn instead and see if that works OK.

[RB]

This tells me that you did select the .bin, not the .cue file to burn. For instance, in Nero, select File - Burn Image and select the .cue file.

[MDesigner]

RB,

No offense.. I may be a total DVD ripping newbie, but I'm no idiot with burning. Been doing it for years, I'm really familiar with cue, bin, iso, ccd, etc. I definitely did choose the .cue file to burn, because the .cue is what tells the burning software how exactly to burn the .bin data. The only thing I'm ignorant of in burning is overburning. I've never really had the need to do it. So now Alcohol 120% gives me an error saying it has to overburn, and warns that it might ruin my CD-RW drive. I don't want to take the risk.. or maybe it's no big deal, I really don't know.

By the way, if you don't know about Alcohol 120%, check it out..it's KILLER software, blows CloneCD and Nero away when it comes to image burning and doing exact duplicates. Also has built-in virtual drive just like Daemon Tools, but better. Very nice interface too.

[markrb]

If you want to stop the size being larger then you wish then you have really only two sure fire choices.

1. TMPG CBR mode
2. CCE multi-pass

Mark

[Labersack]

If you want to get smaller images, just change the the CD-size in bitrate tab to 795 insted of 800. You can do this by tiping the value instead of using the pulldown.
I have my doubts about 'Alcohol 120% being the KILLER-application', because if it warns you with an image size of 809MB about overburning, either the app or the user did something wrong.
Try to burn it with the foolproof method from the Q&A, and this size of image will fit without overburning. (I hope you use 80min-CDRs, otherwise the warning is correct)

[winxi]

something to add @markrb:

3. TMPG 2 pass

please correct me, if i´m wrong.

greets, winxi

[MDesigner]

Lowering file prediction to .95 did the trick. Thanks!

[MDesigner]

Ugh.. not working again

I tried ripping another film. This time, CD1 is 845,019,504 bytes and CD2 is a whopping 953,599,584 bytes! Whoa! What happened here?

My settings are all the same as before. My CQ value is 80 and file prediction is .95. I am not using fixed CQ value. Should I be? Anything else I can try, besides 2pass VBR (which takes forever)? Otherwise I might just do CBR.

[zoonby]

I got the same problem too...just use CCE 2.5 instead of TMPGEnc.

[MDesigner]

Thank you, I'll give that a try

EDIT: OK, I tried it.. noticed there's no such thing as CQ with CCE SP 2.5. It uses multipass VBR. So I might as well just use 2pass VBR in TMPG, right?

[markrb]

CCE is much faster then TMPG. So you can get almost a 4 pass in CCE for the same time as 2 pass VBR in TMPG. Plus for Mpeg-2 the quality is better.

Mark

[MDesigner]

Thanks, Mark, I appreciate the info. i'll switch to CCE then. :) forget this CQ thing, it's been driving me up a wall

[jorel]

Originally posted by MDesigner
Thanks, Mark, I appreciate the info. i'll switch to CCE then. :) forget this CQ thing, it's been driving me up a wall

hi MDesigner,

if you want to use tmpgenc with CQ and get more than 142 minutes
in one cd ,or more time......,than read this,please...

my post is the 12 on the page:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42509&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

"i used this script to make a kvcd using dvd2svcd program...
with total time 142minutes in 1 cdr 700mb.(Dune)"
:) but i got 2 cds,one with 142m and other with more than 140m,
cos dune is too big! (with subs)

...and you can change the "resize" to cvd or svcd in dvd2svcd prog
and choose 2 cds for better results.
all you need is there,just copy the script and change few things,ok?

doubt?
please post!
thanks.

;)