Internet Browser Usage

[The Edge]

Ok, IE 5 has crashed on me for the last time. Time to change it.
Just a quick poll to find out want you guys are using. I'm using Opera for the first time while I write this....seem ok. I can view shockwave for the first time:) The above list does not show all web browsers (of course!) but most common, I believe. Thanks for for feedback ;)

Edge

[TheWEF]

i'm using phoenix 0.5 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/), a slim version of mozilla without e-mail client and unwanted stuff.
i highly recommend it. what i like most is that you can easily suppress popups...

wef.

[The Edge]

Downloading now......I'll check it out.

Edge

[Xesdeeni]

I'm using Phoenix 0.5 too ((http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/phoenix-release-notes.html))! Works great and is very fast, although still a bit of a memory hog and takes too long to launch.

Xesdeeni

[The Link]

I also use phoenix because of the reasons mentioned above! :)

[Xesdeeni]

The shouldn't there be 3 "other"s above? :)

Xesdeeni

[WorldBook]

I'm sticking with IE 6, no crashes and loads fast when compared to Mozilla on my old Pentium 200.

Though I have heard good things about opera.

[The Edge]

I've tried a few so far and Opera seems good. I can have all my web pages open in one window. Nice. I like the simple approch made by phoenix. I'm gonna try Netscape later on tonite.

@WorldBook
I'm using XP at home and as you know it has IE6 intergrated.
Nothing but trouble. Maybe just bad luck.

Edge

[leadman584]

I'm very lazy, and hate changing anything if it works.
Currently have IE 5.5SP2 for browser, and it rocks(for me at least). Pages load in under a second unless there are tons of pictures on the page being viewed. I guess it helps having cable and a fairly fast computer.

[WorldBook]

@the Edge

I plan to ditch IE 6 (maybe even windows hehe) as soon as I get a decent pc :D Well not probably entirely (some webpages display correctly only on IE) I'll probably give Mozilla a try----it looks very good (nice privacy features, tabbing) and it's free. But as you probably know, a p200 isn't a great machine to try out new things.

I would go for opera but it's not free unless you go for the ad-infested version.

[ReTroAcTive]

no matter what browser you choise to use, if you use windows ie is always going to be installed. i like to keep my os and programs installed rather lean so ie 6.0.2800.1106 is what im using. ive tried many other browsers and i always come back to ie. i find it to be the best browser for my needs and the only time it crashes is when it has an error on a page, and that hardly ever happens.

[killingspree]

i also use ie 6.0.28[...]xpsp1
i haven't had any real problems, but am somehow bothered by security issues. you know since most people are using ie (currently 50% of the users in this forum and probably many more of the rather computer - illitarate)
so i'm wondering if it is worth testing phoenix (which i've heard very good things of) and other browsers. the problem is i haven't got enough time to do any switch i don't have to do right now...

so i'll probably wait until i reformat my c drive and reinstall windows

regards
steVe

[TheWEF]

it's very easy to try phoenix, you don't even have to install it - unpack and double-click the exe. first time it imports all your bookmarks automatically. if you don't like it, delete the folder.

wef.

[killingspree]

definitely worth a try then
current staus: downloading - modem connection (:

regards
steVe

[WorldBook]

IE6 is a good browser with some nice features. But yes the security bugs are quite alarming. I've installed service packs, and like 4 other critical updates. After a while it gets kind of annoying. But then again that's the price we pay for using MS :D

[BoNz1]

Switched to Mozilla last week and I love it. Couple things that I really like is that you can block pop ups within the browser (you don't have to use another program) and the download manager is nice too. Plus it just seems way more stable than good old internet exploder. :)

[Neo Neko]

1. Internet Exploiter loads the fastest because under Windows 85% of the program and it's resources are running 100% of the time. So rather than be happy it is so fast to load you should be pissed because MS is consuming those resources all the time. Internet Explorer also has sub par CSS and PNG support which alot of new pages are using to a great extent now. Not to mention the numerous, proliffic, and downright outrageous security holes it introduces that can easily be taken advantage of.

2. Opera loads nearly as fast as IE. It also loads and renders web pages quickly. But of all the current browsers is has the worst HTML, CSS, and PNG support bar none. It is truly pathetic. It may not interfere with your browsing habbits but just so you know.

3. Mozilla based browsers are a bit slower to load. But that is because they rely less on Microsoft code and more on cros platform code. This also means they are alot less vulnerable than browsers relying on Microsoft code. They also have superior HTML, CSS, and PNG support comparred to any other browser. Mozilla in particular offers cookie management that blows IE and Opera out of the water. Mozilla also offers built in popup blocking. Then there is Mozilla's extreme Java script configuration abilities. Abilities which might I add IE and Opera can not match. Mozilla can also block offsite images often used as banner adds. Mozilla also has mouse guestures and tabbed browsing that is as good or better than it's competitors. Mozilla is regularly updated and there are tons of usefull extentions skins and no end to how much you can customise it far above and beyond it's competitors.

4. Why does everyone forget the konqueror HTML rendering engine?

[The Edge]

Hi again.
I have IE6 uninstalled :) and I'm using Mozilla 1.0.2 at the moment.
I think Doom9 is another user who swears by it too.
I'll see how it goes.

Edge

[Schultz]

I am currently using Phoenix latest builds and love all the features of it.. the Whitelist type window popup block instead of blacklist is a lot better approch i think..

[Slogra]

I tried Mozilla and Opera. One of them just sucked (i don't remember which) and with the other i had trouble importing my bookmark. So i went back to IE.
:devil:

[ReTroAcTive]

Originally posted by Neo Neko
So rather than be happy it is so fast to load you should be pissed because MS is consuming those resources all the time.

then i would have to be mad at MS for bringing out windows in the first place, and no matter what os you use, if it wasnt for MS and the Windows os there would be a lot less of everything on the web, people, pages, programs, forums..........ect.
besides i like the integration of the browser in the os. it cut windows install by at least 200mbs.

[jcsston]

Using Mozilla on Linux.
No IE running :D

[Slogra]

I downloaded Phoenix and it's not bad at all. I can even use my old bookmarks! I think i'll keep it on my hd for a while... right now i'm thinking about uninstalling IE.

[killingspree]

ok i've tried phoenix and it looks ok, also works smooth (:

now i'm just interested in which differences or advantages /disadvantages it has compared to mozilla?

can someone just explain the differences in brief?

would be very much appreciated!

regards
steVe

just another thing: i've found out that internet explorer is using way less Ram than phoenix (23 compared to 16). is this because phoenix is just more resource intensive, or is it because ie is somehow using the resources of the explorer.exe? any idea?

and: what about phoenix and flashplayer? is there a way to get phoenix to use some plugin? -> i've solved this problem: you just have to copy the NPSWF32.dll from the ie plugins directory to the phoenix plugin dir! oh and you have to restart the browser :-P

[Xesdeeni]

@ReTroAcTive
then i would have to be mad at MS for bringing out windows in the first place, and no matter what os you use, if it wasnt for MS and the Windows os there would be a lot less of everything on the web, people, pages, programs, forums..........ect.
besides i like the integration of the browser in the os. it cut windows install by at least 200mbs.Don't you believe it.

About a hundred years ago, there was a traveling road show. One of the exhibits was a bowl of liquid sitting on a huge block of ice. The bowl of liquid was slowly boiling away. It was placed behind a glass for display and a sign was posted which said "The Backwards Element." The implication was that this particular liquid boiled when it got cold. The liquid in question was liquid nitrogen. Of course it was boiling! And if they had removed the block of ice, it would have boiled even faster.

Just because it appears that Microsoft was the catalyst for the computer revolution, don't be so sure that they weren't (and aren't) actually responsible for slowing it down. Perhaps without them, it would have boiled even faster.

Take a closer look at the innovations that they have squelched...the companies that have gone under because of Microsoft's requirements which contradicted market demands...and of course the methodical assimilation and proprietization of everything from video and audio formats to disk file systems. Sure, they've done many good things, but they've also done some serious damage to the industry as a whole.

Xesdeeni

[Ookami]

The thing that bothers me most about Phoenix/Mozilla etc. is that when using the "Save as" feature, here, you don't get automatically the thread name as the name, but things like "showthread.php" :( .

Without this I would use Phoenix instead IE, regardless the slower loading time...

Cheers,

Mijo.

[Zhnujm]

the new opera 7 is much better than the 6.x versions. still beta but worth a try.

[ReTroAcTive]

Originally posted by Xesdeeni
@ReTroAcTive

Take a closer look at the innovations that they have squelched...the companies that have gone under because of Microsoft's requirements which contradicted market demands...and of course the methodical assimilation and proprietization of everything from video and audio formats to disk file systems. Sure, they've done many good things, but they've also done some serious damage to the industry as a whole.

Xesdeeni

if it wasnt for windows new computer users would have to pay someone to teach them how to use their computer. linux is not an easy os to use at all unless you know what your doing in the first place. to think microsoft slowed down the spread of at home computer useage is to think if it wasnt for ford we would have flying cars by now.
i dont like microsoft all that much, but the truth is they make a better product for the new user. im not saying microsoft is the best for everything, but if it was left up to say apple, the internet would be much smaller. if it wasnt for microsoft most of the computers we use wouldnt even be around or would cost way too much or would be so hard to configure no one would want to bother.
as far as "serious damage to the industry" microsoft has done, if it wasnt for the things microsoft has done there would be no industry as we know it today.

i hate that im the one always defending microsoft, but no one ever talks bad about linux or apple, if they did i would defend linux or apple as well. no os is the best for everything, they all have their place.

[Xesdeeni]

@ReTroAcTiveif it wasnt for windows new computer users would have to pay someone to teach them how to use their computer.So the only choice in computers was Linux and Windows? Linux is actually quite new and isn't what I'm talking about. Perhaps you could visit some of the more innovative systems in use while Microsoft was just introducing Windows. My (completely computer illiterate, eventually to be) wife was able to use an Amiga out of the box in college ten years ago, when Windows was a horrible mess that she couldn't figure out to save her life. Macs have been easier to use much longer than Windows, as evidenced by their use in non-technical, creative applications like desktop publishing and graphic design. Today's ease of use was available years ago on other platforms. Microsoft didn't invent it.to think microsoft slowed down the spread of at home computer useage is to think if it wasnt for ford we would have flying cars by now.Ford didn't arrange it so dealers selling GM or Toyota had to pay them for each car sold, even though they weren't Fords. Ford didn't require parts manufacturers (tires, etc.) to put features into every part they made that the customers didn't want (which they couldn't avoid, because of Fords dominance), putting them out of business as a result. And Ford didn't arrange it so that roads could only hold Ford cars. If you are going to draw the analogy, complete it. If Ford had done all that, then we'd be very close to the original "yeah, you can get a Ford in any color you want, as long as it's black." The monopolistic phone company did the same thing. Until the breakup, you could only get three colors of phones, with no features, and only from them. Now look what choices you have.but if it was left up to say apple, the internet would be much smaller.I'm not sure what Apple has to do with the size of the Internet. Microsoft didn't invent the Internet. And they were a Johnny-come-lately even having a browser. I was using the Internet in college without a Windows PC (shock). And I used Mosaic for years before there was such a thing as Internet Explorer (or even Netscape). There were servers then, and they didn't run Windows (or MacOS) either. Internet growth occurred before Microsoft got involved, and it would have continued even if they hadn't. There wasn't an MP3 player built into Windows until XP, and MP3s seemed to take off pretty well without Microsoft's help. The attraction for the Internet was (and would have been) at least as great.if it wasnt for microsoft most of the computers we use wouldnt even be around or would cost way too much or would be so hard to configure no one would want to bother.I think that's only part of the picture. Sure, Bill Gates played IBM perfectly, since they didn't put any stock in software. But IBM helped him even more by being boneheaded about their marketing designs. Had they been a bit more foresighted, they'd have the monopoly on hardware platforms, and we wouldn't have cheap clones pushing the price down. But they just couldn't see the forest for the trees, and we all benefitted. Hmmm...competition among hardware platforms...I wonder if that would be a good thing in software....as far as "serious damage to the industry" microsoft has done, if it wasnt for the things microsoft has done there would be no industry as we know it today.True enough, the industry today was shaped by Microsoft. But that doesn't mean that the industry as we know it today wouldn't be better.

Without that block of ice, the liquid wouldn't be boiling the way it does. But we all know it would be better without that ice.i hate that im the one always defending microsoft, but no one ever talks bad about linux or apple, if they did i would defend linux or apple as well. no os is the best for everything, they all have their place.Nobody's perfect. Linux has serious problems with difficult configuration, hardware support, lack of applications, and inconsistent user interface. Apple is heavy-handed and in their own way as proprietary as Microsoft. That can't get away with it completely, but they try.

Please understand. I'm not pointing at Microsoft as inherently and uniquely evil. Any company put into their same situation would have pulled and tried to pull just about exactly the same stunts. But that doesn't mean that consumers should allow the wool to be pulled over our collective eyes and allow the destruction of competition. Even with plenty of competition, if Microsoft had the best product, I'd buy it too. But the point is that they only have the "best" product because it's the only choice. There's plenty wrong with it (including heavy-handed copy protection methods that only affect legitimate users) but they don't actually need to address the problems, since there is no competition. This is true to the user, but it's also true to the IHVs and ISVs that sell products for Windows. I know, I rode one of them into the ground.

Xesdeeni

[The Edge]

What has Linux and Microsoft have to do with the above poll?

Edge

[nFury8]

...back to the fray
I'm using IE 6 on XP.But on the strength of the positive feedbacks, I am currently trying out Phoenix 0.5. I think I'm sticking to Phoenix. The first time I used it I was a bit surprised to find my previous IE bookmarks neatly tucked under its wing. :cool:

[Ookami]

If you want to discuss the different OS, please, open a new thread, so that this one can stay on focus. Thanks.

BTW, this reminds me of the funny article how MS bought evil from the devil ;) .

[The Edge]

Yeah, Bill Gates is really Keyser Soze.
Nice chap.

Edge

[killingspree]

Originally posted by Ookami

BTW, this reminds me of the funny article how MS bought evil from the devil ;) .
could you provide a link?
thanks
steVe

[Xesdeeni]

OK, back to the browser discussion. Does anyone know when the 0.6 version of Phoenix will be released? The web site just says January...so they better hurry :) I still hit a rare bug now and then and I'm hoping they'll have 'em ironed out in the next version.

Xesdeeni

[trbarry]

I do most of my web browsing on an HDTV where the default text size would be too small to see properly from my recliner 8-10 feet away.

And there seem to be an increasing number of sites that ignore the font size control IE 6 for some reason. So I switched to Opera a while back because it has good zooming controls. I also like it because it runs (but not loads) much faster. Since it is almost always up I don't care how it loads.

But I suppose from the poll results and comments above I will also try out phoenix on a different box.

- Tom

[Neo Neko]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by killingspree
just another thing: i've found out that internet explorer is using way less Ram than phoenix (23 compared to 16). is this because phoenix is just more resource intensive, or is it because ie is somehow using the resources of the explorer.exe? any idea? [/B]

Bang on. The actual resources in use via IE can not be measured via iexplore.exe alone. As I said before a large part of IE is running 100% of the time.

[Neo Neko]

Originally posted by ReTroAcTive
then i would have to be mad at MS for bringing out windows in the first place, and no matter what os you use, if it wasnt for MS and the Windows os there would be a lot less of everything on the web, people, pages, programs, forums..........ect.

I will deffer to Xesdeeni a bit on this point as it seems he has some insight. I will follow it by the fact that you are very wrong. If it were not for MS there would be alot more of everything on the web. More operating systems, more browsers, more pages, more people, more programs, more forums, more choice, and more adherance to standards. We would still have problems. But they would be different ones and quite possibly better than what we have now. Microsoft is the source/cause for most of the broken and incompatable pages on the internet period. Frontpage is not an HTML composer. It rapes the HTML standard in many ways.

Originally posted by ReTroAcTive
besides i like the integration of the browser in the os.

Yes looking at it from a programmer/virus writer/hackers perspective it is indeed a boon. Instead of several distinct layers of security that I need to break through now I need only poke a tiny hole in Internet Explorer to gain access to the deepest darkest most hidden parts of your operating system and do major dammage.

Originally posted by ReTroAcTive
it cut windows install by at least 200mbs.

Honestly think what you are saying. Mozilla which can do all the browsing stuff IE can do and more is only 10Mb. Do you honestly thing Microsoft does such sloppy coding that trimming IE out of the OS would reduce its foot print on the HD by 200Mb? Hey you could just verry well be right!:D

[twistee]

I use IE6.blah.blah.blah, i tried mozilla ages ago...like, A LONG time ago. And it annoyed me when some sites didnt work, so i havent gone back. Maybe...one day...ill give it a go. But until then IE6 is perfect, it always works for every site i go to and i dont care if i use microsoft products :P

[Neo Neko]

Originally posted by twistee
I use IE6.blah.blah.blah, i tried mozilla ages ago...like, A LONG time ago. And it annoyed me when some sites didnt work, so i havent gone back. Maybe...one day...ill give it a go. But until then IE6 is perfect, it always works for every site i go to and i dont care if i use microsoft products :P

Here is a gaggle of pages your browser could not handle. http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/demos.html

It will also fail on my home page. As to the pages Mozilla fails on, well they are far and few between. So if you have any links I would be much obliged.:D

[BlackSun]

I am using Mozilla since the 1.0 beta and love it. I recetly used Phoenix but went back to mozilla as phoenix don't allow to work offline.

I'm using mozilla even for mails and am very happy with them :cool:

[The Edge]

For anybody that's interested, Opera 7.0 is released today.

Opera 7.00 Standard - 3.2Mb (http://www.panix.com/opera/files/win/700/en/std/ow32enen700.exe)
Opera 7.00 Java version - 12.6Mb (http://www.panix.com/opera/files/win/700/en/java/ow32enen700j.exe)

Edge

[^^-+I4004+-^^]

for saving web pages i use kmeleon
[ http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/ ]
as IE can't save me no forum html pages
(crashes every time)

saw this on mozilla web:
"Phoenix is a redesign of the Mozilla browser component, similar to Galeon, K-Meleon and Chimera, but written using the XUL user interface language and designed to be cross-platform."

so that's a NO,NO for me,as mozilla has the slowest
GUI (note this:not slowest browser,slowest GUI...that irritates me even more....those menu items don't exactly pop-up,but "drag-up"...)
i have ever seen on my machine.....
it's like every mozilla developer has /at least/ athlon on 1,8ghz...

i mean it's sloooow if you want to open new window or such actions.......
(but this is well documented "feature" of mozilla..see it on mozilla/netscape related NG's....)

kmeleon opens new windows just as IE,although it can hog the system too (but not like mozilla) like cursor stalls for half the second or so.......cannot happen to IE.....
(hehe,as IE is is burried deep inside the win,but never the less it can't ahppen....

MS vs. the rest wars are so unsignificant if IE can still beat anyone
(except for this web saving issue that i have....)
"history" of IE is unbeatable if you ask me....
last time i checked mozilla ( stable 1.2 build and one 1.3a build)
it had virtually NO web page "reservoir" of any kind.....

and a bit of OS wars:
NeoNeko>If it were not for MS there would be alot more of everything on the web. More operating systems, more browsers, more pages, more people, more programs, more forums, more choice, and more adherance to standards

sooo....why don't you make an ideal OS,market it,make loads of money and NEVER,EVER sell it to MS.....this CAN be done you know,,,make OS that's better than win and you have hit the jackpot....sell it real cheap too....even more people will buy it.....so,you can't make it?
whata pitty ........we're doomed to w2k...

another thought:so one guy makes QDOS OS (real vintage that one)
and then he sells it to silly-billy for small dollars.....who's
worse? the buyer or the one that sells his work like it's nobody's business.......
every such step changes the history of PC software.....every buying/selling/marketing like that means "ok,it's good it'll stay with us...." and the vice versa "it sux,throw it away...".....

being against or for MS just because it's MS is silly and childish....

i'll use the softare which is best for me.......

MS is NOT stopping you from producing ideal,excellent OS on your own:
they'll ask to buy you a while later,but you need NOT to say yes.....
just say no....then MS ends up in history just like netscape....
users HAVE the power,you better believe it..it's not just MS.....
so it's IE+kmeleon (sometimes when IE can't save a page) for me...

0.5% web pages (or less) IE can't render?
not a big argument there....sometimes it just seems that mozilla.org made this pages with few more insights into IE's problems than average joe.......

cheers

Ivo

[kvs]

while pheonix and mozilla (although very bloated) are better browsers than internet explorer, they do not hold up against opera (MO). Opera has a smaller footprint in memory (especially if you open very large pages), has the quickest (and good-looking) UI, and also the quickest renderer (on big pages, opera outperforms IE, and also pheonix.. and it renders my favourit site, www.cdjapan.co.jp, noticably quicker than IE/pheonix).

The speed alone is enough for me to prefer opera over the others, but opera has other advantages as well:
- the best mouse gestures in the business! (the moz-plugin is okay, but frankly opera's implementation is much better.. moz will catch up though I suppose).
- REAL zoom, and not just some stupid font-resizer that ONLY works on sizes that are relative I believe (like xx-large, medium, small etc). In other words, opera can zoom everything on the page from text to images to fields from 20% to 1000%. I love this feature, as this allows me to sit FAR away from the monitor and still be able to read sites.
- tabbed browsing/native MDI-interface.. okay moz has this too, but I think opera's are a little bit slicker, and i like better the keyboard shortcuts.. plus, it has a "visual changer" that moz's tabs lack.
- excellent keyboard shortcuts (especially love f2 for open new url window instead of having to press shift+ctrl+o or whatever..)..
- spatial navigation.. rocks! allows me to easily pick links with keyboard.
- skins and colour schemes (colour CAN be specified as html colour in ini if the default choices are not good enough for you).
- status bar that auto-hides.. because I only really need it when a page is loading.. the other function of a status bar, showing where a link points to, opera accomplishes through a tooltip.. saves me more screen space :)
- antipopup
- multiple custom style sheets.. really useful on sites with dreadful design.. and there are a few of those. ugh. can also make opera look like lynx or commodore :D
- can google-search directly through adress bar by typing g search words. Or, I can type the search words directly onto search fields for different engines that I can place anywhere on any tab.
- cool download manager
- very customizable UI, even the menus can be changes through inifiles if you are so inclined

I love opera, and version 7 rocks. It has great speed, great functionality, great looks.. and, does all the little things right.. like good security, ability to turn images/animated images of or on.. context-sensitive menus (right-click word and search or look up in dictionary etc).. paste and go function. password wand.. auto-reload function.. instant back and forward caching. autoforwarding.. ++++

[bb]

I'm sad to read that the vast majority here uses IE, although there are better - and even free - alternatives (using Phoenix right now). I guess many people have been discouraged by the Netscape 4.x versions, changed to IE, and never changed back...

I must confess that I've been using IE for a while, too, when Netscape / Mozilla couldn't keep up and were buggy like hell. But nowadays I use Mozilla / Phoenix again. Don't like that M$ non-standard crap.

bb

[Ookami]

I've opened a new thread called "OS "wars", so in the future post there if you want to discuss it and leave this thread to discuss browser pros and cons...

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46313

Thanks.

[The Edge]

The company, GreyMagic Software of Jerusalem, known for its disclosure of security bugs in Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser, has done some browser performance tests with IE, Mozilla, Opera and Flash (ActionScript tries to be ECMA-262 compliant). Some of the results are quite surprising, have a look.

Take a look (http://www.greymagic.com/dagon/results.html)

Source: fileconnect.net (http://www.fileconnect.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2601)

I'm still using Mozilla ;)

Edge

[int 21h]

In my mind, IE will always have an unfair advantage because of its intimate hooks into the OS.

[^^-+I4004+-^^]

Originally posted by The Edge
Take a look (http://www.greymagic.com/dagon/results.html)

Source: fileconnect.net (http://www.fileconnect.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2601)

I'm still using Mozilla ;)

Edge

seems like IE did a clean-sweep there...
not surprising at all given that test was on P3-500...

bb>I'm sad to read that the vast majority here uses IE, although there are better - and even free - alternatives


sad,you say?
give us a few advantages that alternatives have over IE.....
(pop-up stopper i don't consider great advantage,hell it's only for porn sites.....huh,wait........hehe just kidding...)

advantage that would make me surf even more...(speed conecting,rendering speed,GUI responsivness,such stuff.....
didn't saw it in mozz.......)

[kvs]

how much memory does opera 7, pheonix and IE use when having 16 sites opened at once??

**approach 1: load browser, open one.com, two.com etc up to sixteen.com (some of these sites are dead/empty, but that doesn't matter), minimize (makes the memory usage go to minimum), restore, AND CYCLE THROUGH ALL WINDOWS.

Opera 7: 6.5 megabytes!! I couldn't believe it.. but it's true! Opera uses VERY little memory if you do a minimize->restore.

Pheonix: 17.5 megabytes.. it's not too bad, actually.

IE: 32 megabytes.. hehe.

**approach 2: only opera and pheonix here, couldn't be bothered to do IE again. Open browser, open sites.. no minimize->restore, and no cycling of windows.

opera 7: 19.5 megabytes (far away from 6.5 megabytes, eh)
pheonix: 27.5 megabytes



Why? Because I felt like it :D I'll also be posting this up at hydrogenaudio.org.