GKnot 0.27 vs DVX [Archive]

Frisco

19th February 2003, 23:26

@hakko504 and maurus
I also used GKnot and DivX5Enc (both great programs), but I was looking for a program, that can do the hole process automaticly. DVX can and it is so easy to use. It could be fun, if you test it and give your opinion.

@MaXiMuS
The purpose with this thread is not a discussion for or against ".NET framework", so pleace dont start a discussion in this thread. I want to use a grest program (whit DivX 5.03 and Avisynth 2.5) and the list is long whit DVX (from http://www.planetdvb.net/dvx/):
Input formats: AVI, D2V, VOB, MPG, PVA, VDR, M2V, MPV and more
Output formats: DivX, XviD, MP3, Ogg Vorbis, AC3, MP2 and more
Audio Encoder: BeSweet, VirtualDub, VirtualDubMod
VirtualDub or VirtualDubMod can be invoked to make advanced settings for instance to cut
Full featured DivX menu
Original Xvid menu
Compressibility check
Special credits treatment
Overhead calculation
Bitrate correction after audio encoding
Bitrate correction after credits encoding
Auto detection for the correct aspect ratio
AviSynth menu with presets for the popular filters
AviSynth filter selection with around 100 AviSynth filters, filter quick search and filter help
The AviSynth editor supports Syntax Highlighting
Around 30 macros that can be used in every script and commandline function
Settings can be saved as profiles
Full featured BeSweet menu
Support for two audio streams
Launch buttons with support for commandline with arguments and macros
Shutdone when encoding is finished
Support for language selection, subtitles, movie information, splitting
Commandline interface usefull for timer recordings
Joblist
Encoding modes Both Passes, Single Pass, First Pass, Second Pass usefull for for XviD using different settings in first and second pass
Popup tooltip
Log function

So MaXiMuS perhaps you also should test it, then you can see that ".NET framework" can be used to something good.

@Dolemite
GREAT PROGRAM

stax76

20th February 2003, 00:15

@Frisco

this feature list was not updated since version 2.5 with the old GUI, since then many improvements were made

N_F

20th February 2003, 01:03

Ok, you've at least convinced me to give DVX a shot...

binky the stunt cat

21st February 2003, 00:02

hmm, i just stick with the old avs creation with GK, run it thru V Dub, then mux in the audio with OggMux (i like ogg so there :P)

RMCF

21st February 2003, 15:13

Totally agree,

GK + DivxEnc with VirtualDubMod is the way I found it best.

CHAOSMAN33

22nd February 2003, 02:40

gknot resolution tab is still better than any other programs out there. DVX's crop and resize are in 2 seperate windows, makes it harder to do advanced calculations. I do agree that dvx has way more custimizations, but its also very buggy.

jernst

22nd February 2003, 12:59

I do agree that dvx has way more custimizations, but its also very buggy.

What kind of bugs are you speaking about ? (this way Dolemite might fix it before final release)

I'm using it everyday for DVDRip without encountering any problem... (I was also a fellow user of Gknot but I have to admit that DVX is now giving me far better results than Gknot because it's using up-to-date software and has a lot of nice features that Gknot don't has)

As for the resize/crop window I agree with you but I think it's nice to have one separate preview window without any controls on it.

Babeinternational

23rd February 2003, 16:09

One good point for DVX is its DivX 5.0.3 and AVS 2.5 support. Because it is a PITA to decompose the encoding stuff (main intest of GK was to let you do the whole process without quitting, because if you use it just for cropping and resizing, there is simpler things to do).
Another good point is its choice of AVS filters: Circonvolution3d, Lanczos, its macro menu is a very good thing.
I haven't used it so much to have noticed some bugs. And yes, a single menu for cropping and resizing may be a good thing to add.
So to sum up, I find it more flexible than GK, and by now (so until a new GK or whatever its name) more useful.
Isn't there any way to make it without .NET framework?

colordog

23rd February 2003, 19:14

Sorry to be a newbie -

Could someone clue me in on the .NET framework stuff, and how it relates to video? I thought .NET referred to a way of internet networking. Am I screwed up?

Are there any potential minus points to installing .NET?

stax76

24th February 2003, 01:57

Could someone clue me in on the .NET framework stuff, and how it relates to video? I thought .NET referred to a way of internet networking. Am I screwed up?

most people are scared of and complain about .NET and have absolutly no idea what it is. I'm probably not the best to describe it because I did not understand everything about .NET myself plus my expression possibilities are limited. I don't know somebody in this forum who knows better so I will try. As far as I know .NET was created to be the successor of COM. You must think .com and .net it must be be something about the internet but this is not true. COM means Component Object Model. NET is about component based software which is plattform und language independent which can easy be distributed and connected via networks. The vision of Microsoft is to connect everything not only PC's maybe smartphones, video recorder, refrigerator. I don't if it could be useful to connect a refrigerator so let's just say everything. On each of this devices there must be a .NET framework installed. The .NET Framework you install on your PC mainly consists of a runtime which is called the Common Language Runtime or short CLI and a class library. 20 MB is not much when you think the class library has thousands of classes and even compilers for C# and VB .NET are included. The compilers of each language don't compile to native maschine code like C or Pascal compilers, they compile to Microsoft Intermediate Language code or short MSIL code. This code is similar don't matter if it was created with C# or VB .NET compiler so .NET is language independent. DVX is build with two different languages VB .NET and C#. Most popular .NET languages are VB .NET and C# but there are a lot other .NET languages, almost all languages are already available for .NET. Microsoft biggest competitor in development tools Borland puts most of their resources in .NET, they are working on a C# and a Delphi solution for .NET atm so Delphi for .NET will be available soon too. The biggest advantage of .NET is productivity and ease of use and great possibilty's. A .NET programmer can programm everything with the language of his choice because the .NET class library has classes for almost every programming task, he don't have to learn different languages and techniques like php, com etc because everything can be done with the framework. If somebody don't believe .NET is fun to work with go and get free development environment SharpDevelop written in C# and the free .NET SDK. It includes everything you need to develop .NET programs, full docu is included. SharpDevelop is getting better everyday, it has even a form designer. I think .NET has a lot advantages and I don't know anybody who wasn't totally happy working with it. Of course there are disadvantages like it don't perform like C because it uses a runtime so it can't be used for time critical tasks like video processing and everybody has second thoughts about the company that created it but overall I think it's a good thing with a bright future. I think it's already offical .NET is the new standard of Windows programming. It's probably not a good description of .NET but better than nothing I think

Morbo

24th February 2003, 02:29

Why I use the Gknot method and Vdubmod:

Every clip you encode is different.I use DIVX,Xvid,Mpeg2,Mpeg1,whatever its for.

For instance,I wanted to make a backup/spare of Blues Brothers I could take around on my laptop and jam too.

The Movie is 2hours,37 min(Dir Cut).

Id like to see a one for all solution,but it would require you to pay 2ooo pounds and would STILL have to configure it for "special" clips.

Hence why,I do whatever I want.
Simpsons(Svcd)
Futurama(Svcd)
Sopranos(Svcd)
Samurai Jack(DIVX,wished Id used Xvid)

Blues Brothers one 698meg cd,REAL Video 9.

I use whatever I want by how much Quality I want to keep.

Sorry for the Rant,
I just wanted to flex my fingers:D

Cheers!!!

stax76

24th February 2003, 03:02

gknot resolution tab is still better than any other programs out there. DVX's crop and resize are in 2 seperate windows, makes it harder to do advanced calculations.

I wrote the crop dialog new in RC 26, much better now imho (than the old one)

Babeinternational

24th February 2003, 13:26

Nobody will deny .NET can be useful. Problem is this by essence should be GPL. This is not question of M$, if they give their source code everyone will be fine. But I am way to off topic.

wingphil

24th February 2003, 13:50

can anyone help me out as to whether there will be any issues of compatibility with having gknot and dvx installed at the same time? e.g. in order to take full advantage, you would need avisynth 2.5 and divx5.0.3, which would break gknot. you could run dvx with the old versions, but then what would be the point?

jernst

24th February 2003, 14:02

Nobody will deny .NET can be useful. Problem is this by essence should be GPL. This is not question of M$, if they give their source code everyone will be fine. But I am way to off topic.

As far as I know nobody has Windows sources and TheWef hadnt vb runtime dll sources as well and nobody complained about it.

can anyone help me out as to whether there will be any issues of compatibility with having gknot and dvx installed at the same time? e.g. in order to take full advantage, you would need avisynth 2.5 and divx5.0.3, which would break gknot. you could run dvx with the old versions, but then what would be the point?

Yes you're right, but as gknot cannot take advantage of latest avisynth and divx (and xvid) if you still want to keep gknot because you prefer the gui/features you can still build your avisynth script with it and open it with DVX. This way you won't have any issue. If you don't like DVX you can still uninstall it and then reinstall DivX 5.02 and old avisynth.

dBlue

24th February 2003, 15:47

Just a note, Gknot is 100% compatible with Avisynth 2.5 but not Divx 5.0.3.

Browsing thru the screenshot of DVX and noticed it doesn't support SSE II/iDCT 5 yet. For those with Pent 4, it will speed the encoding up as megp2dec3 does optimise with SSE II.

stax76

24th February 2003, 15:58

Nobody will deny .NET can be useful. Problem is this by essence should be GPL.

I think that would mean everybody must licence his .NET code under GPL which don't make sense because somebody who writes code should have the choice to license his code like he wants to.

e.g. in order to take full advantage, you would need avisynth 2.5 and divx5.0.3, which would break gknot.

Browsing thru the screenshot of DVX and noticed it doesn't support SSE II/iDCT 5 yet. For those with Pent 4, it will speed the encoding up as megp2dec3 does optimise with SSE II.

in DVX you can use the programs and codecs of your choice, there are almost no limitations compared to doing everything manually. DVX uses some AviSynth functions that are only in AviSynth 2.5 available which is afaik Limiter() used by the AviSynth menu and Info() used by the AviSynth script preview but you still can use DVX.

jernst

24th February 2003, 16:05

Originally posted by dBlue
Just a note, Gknot is 100% compatible with Avisynth 2.5 but not Divx 5.0.3.

Thank you for pointing this out I didn't know about it.

Browsing thru the screenshot of DVX and noticed it doesn't support SSE II/iDCT 5 yet. For those with Pent 4, it will speed the encoding up as megp2dec3 does optimise with SSE II.
I'm not an expert in SSE II but having myself a P4 and using DVX I can tell you that mpeg2dec3 works without problems here.

colordog

25th February 2003, 23:22

Since DVX is fully compatible with VDubMod and AviSynth 2.5, can you force DVX to do YV12 to gain a speed increase? How would this be done?

BiaTch 5.0

26th February 2003, 06:33

OT,

Which resize filter would be Neutral Bicubic in DVX?

Thanks

seewen

2nd March 2003, 04:37

Originally posted by colordog
Since DVX is fully compatible with VDubMod and AviSynth 2.5, can you force DVX to do YV12 to gain a speed increase? How would this be done?

Simply install Avisynth 2.5, configure DVX to use VdubMod ( "EXTRA"->"SETTINGS"->"PATH" , then check "use VirtualDubMOD" ).

Then simply use Mpeg2Dec3.dll ( it's the default choice in DVX ), and your process will stay in YV12().

Bye

P.S.
If you have a doubt for colorspace, simply open the Preview-windows, and hit "i" key. You will see the actual colorspace.

seewen

2nd March 2003, 04:42

Originally posted by BiaTch 5.0
OT,

Which resize filter would be Neutral Bicubic in DVX?

Thanks

Bicubic "Neutral" ( called like that in GK ) =

BicubicResize(W, H, 0, 0.5).

But you should really try :

FastBicubicResize(W, H, 0, 0.5)

The result is not too differents, but it's really much faster.

-----------------

So in DVX simply choose resize "Bicubic(soft)", then open the Avisynth Editor ( F4 ), and replace

BicubicResize(%target_width%,%target_height%)

with

BicubicResize(%target_width%,%target_height%,0,0.5)

or

FastBicubicResize(%target_width%,%target_height%,0,0.5)

bye

P.S.
"Sharp" Bicubic = BicubicResize(Width, Height, 0, 0.75)

Wulven

2nd March 2003, 04:56

I just gave DVX a try today based on this thread, and I must say it is very nice. I think especially from a noob (me) point of view, but it seems VERY customizable for the "hardcore". I know people will always like to do things manually of they can, but I set up a bunch of presets, and everything goes REAL nice.

Of course a couple gripes, namely the crop/resize screen, and I like GK's resize slider much better.

Keep up the good work.

Crawler

4th March 2003, 10:04

I have been a long time GKnot user (thanks for the great tool WEF!), but after doing about a dozen encodes with DVX I have to say it clearly beats GK, hands down!

Since the time it became apparent that GK would not be updated to support the newest trends like vorbis sound, XVID or divx 5.0.3, nor would he release the source code so someone could fix it for him, I started looking for an alternative, and have found DVX to be the most powerful tool available, now I can encode my XVID's with Vorbis sound to OGM in one step!!!

What I like best is the completely configurable BeSweet support, sound encoding directly from the VOB's, support for newest DIVX and XVID and the integrated script editor. And best of all, a developer patiently integrating the latest suggestions of his fan base (often within a few hours!!!).

Thanx for all your hard work Dolemite - I would not be suprised to see DVX become the new GKnot!

Crawler

stax76

5th March 2003, 01:51

Of course a couple gripes, namely the crop/resize screen, and I like GK's resize slider much better.

I'm totally happy with the new Crop dialog which supports AutoCrop (using AviSynth AutoCrop plugin) and cropping with the mouse wheel which is the most comfortable way I think. Some people are not as happy than I, there is a discussion in the support forum about the cropping dialog, your input would be appreciated. There are no plans to add a trackbar for resizing but it could be done with a plugin with any .NET language with very few lines code. I would like to do it but have no time because I'm working on a AviSynth filter description editor which is important I think

arablover

6th March 2003, 20:10

I would like to try out DVX.

But it took me ages to actually get to know how to use Gordian Knot.

Why not past a step by step guide to help people migrate from Gnot?

Cheers.

Jeremy

jernst

6th March 2003, 20:33

Why not past a step by step guide to help people migrate from Gnot?

DVX comes with full guides and help files in several languages. ATM they are not finished (we hope they will be before DVX 3.0 gets final) but you could find them usefull already (so they are not as complete as the one of Doom9 on Gknot).

They are best viewed from the programs using the provided .chm file but an online version of the documentation is also available: Manual (http://dvx.sf.net/help/)

Hope this helps,
jernst

p.s. If you have questions DVX board member will be surely pleased to solve it.

stax76

15th March 2003, 17:16

Of course a couple gripes, namely the crop/resize screen, and I like GK's resize slider much better.

RC 28 was released today, all this was rewritten again, much better then old version imho

vorbis

15th March 2003, 23:38

dolemite what i think would be a nice feature would be installing avisynth 2.5 only in the vdubmod directory and linking to it from there for preview etc. this way dvd2svcd and other programs on the pc would be unaffected. Dvx would still get the benefits of yv12.

Babeinternational

16th March 2003, 11:58

I agree with vorbis, that could be interesting to have both AVISynth versions available on DVX (one you could use with VdubMod for yv12, and 1.08 somewhere for its stability and filter support).
And it could also be good to call Convolution3dyv12 "Convolution3dyv12", so as you can use Convolution3d for not yv12 sources.
And while I'm here, can you add SmoothDeinterlace in your filter list (and deinterlace choices)? Despite its habit to increase slightly filesize, it is a very good way to deinterlace (especially DV).

I have now to say that after weeks of testing, DVX has really surprised me in a good way (never thought you could have such an easy and "messable" interface), and it has replaced GK in my everyday use. Now that GK is more likely going to explode than to increase, I'll use DVX.

Wulven

16th March 2003, 20:17

I like the RC28, the calculator is great, especially added to the crop/resize screen. I am getting used to the mousewheel crop as well.

19th March 2003, 01:23

Why not past a step by step guide to help people migrate from Gnot?

maybe this could help a little bit:

DVX 3 Guide (http://www.atlandide.net/~uncasms/de/dvx/dvx3_english.htm)

Emp3r0r

19th March 2003, 02:03

Wow Dolemite, I've been gone and you've made ton's of progress. I'm downloading your newest version now to test it out.Of course a couple gripes, namely the crop/resize screenI'd like to see DVX crop and resize work like DVD2XCD (http://jvance.com/projects.aspx?p=DVD2XCD) crop and resize does. The C# code is there, do what you want with it as I havn't had the free time to finish the project.

PS: have you tried Managed DirectX for video display?

hakko504

19th March 2003, 09:55

comment about dead link removed

19th March 2003, 11:39

sorry about the incorrect link.

should work now.

wingphil

19th March 2003, 11:41

does dvx come bundled with compatible versions of avisynth, vdubmod etc or will i have to hunt round for these? or will it work with any versions?

M-M-C

19th March 2003, 11:56

Originally posted by wingphil
does dvx come bundled with compatible versions of avisynth, vdubmod etc or will i have to hunt round for these? or will it work with any versions?
it comes bundled with every single bit of software you need and it has a nice little online-updater. this updater checks DVX itself AND the other programs like avisynth etc.
imho DVX is the best encoding-tool out there right now and this onlineupdater really saves time and nerves ;)

Wulven

19th March 2003, 16:08

Heh, the program is evolving so fast that that guide doesn't look at all like DVX anymore.

stax76

20th March 2003, 01:28

I'd like to see DVX crop and resize work like DVD2XCD crop and resize does.

could you please explain a little more precise, you mean smart crop? I have also a suggestion for you, modify ChapterGrabber code to use it as DVX plugin

have you tried Managed DirectX for video display?

I heard that MS did a good job on this api but no I don't work with it because installing DX9 would be required

Emp3r0r

20th March 2003, 20:18

could you please explain a little more precise, you mean smart cropWell, I hate to say anything without trying the newest version of DVX (actually I did try, but it didn't open my D2V file) but I like to see all the information I need to see while I crop and resize. For example, look at this screenshot (http://jvance.com/files/cropresize.jpg)
Step 0: I can load my audio files, and choose my desired overall size, which finds video bitrate.
Step 1: I crop off all black
Step 2: I choose a smart crop method to reduce AR error
Step 3: I set for anamorphic
Step 4: I resize the video until I have a decent amount of bits for each pixel in a frame (aka quality estimate).
Step 5: I choose my resize type based upon the quality estimate.

What I like about this layout is it allows you access to everything you need at once (like GKnot) to perform the task at hand: cropping and resizing.I have also a suggestion for you, modify ChapterGrabber code to use it as DVX pluginOk, I'll look into it.

stax76

20th March 2003, 21:23

Well, I hate to say anything without trying the newest version of DVX (actually I did try, but it didn't open my D2V file) but I like to see all the information I need to see while I crop and resize. For example, look at this screenshot

What I like about this layout is it allows you access to everything you need at once (like GKnot) to perform the task at hand: cropping and resizing.

the calculator dialog has everything important and can be used with any other dialog.

actually I did try, but it didn't open my D2V file

did you install the latest SysPack? Unlike other tools DVX uses multi media api's to get the source info's in order to be compatible with all AviSynth source filter and and AviSynth plugin source filters. Usually this is no problem but there are some ds filters that cause trouble with ds and mci (wraps ds nowadays I think) for instance ogg subtitle mixer and VobSub below 2.20. If you have a proper AviSynth installed and a proper script, there should be no problem

Emp3r0r

21st March 2003, 00:35

did you install the latest SysPack?Yes, I installed all that. I'm not really sure what the problem is but when I choose my source d2v file it seems to be loading it but shows the following preview window as if it failed. http://jvance.com/files/preview.gif

The d2v file is fine and works great with the following avisynth script

MPEG2Source("F:\DVD\Panic Room\panicroom.d2v")

colordog

21st March 2003, 01:04

Howdy DVX-philes...

After looking at DVX, I have to admit that I'm pretty impressed. I love the "Add Script" function in the AVScript Editor, where you can scroll through them all and have them auto-inserted into the script.

The one thing that's stumping me (switching over from GKnot) is how to schedule more than one movie encode at a time? I manually decrypt VOBS with DVDdecrypter, and then manually execute DVD2AVI on it. I open up the .d2v file in DVX, choose all my settings, blah, and then keep hitting the "next" button at the bottom.

Finally, it shows me the script that it will use, I hit "next", and the DVX windows closes and is replaced by the "DVX Encoding Process" window. BeSweet starts, then VDubMod, etc., and I get a great movie at the end. But how can I tell it to start another movie after that?

If I reopen DVX, and click on the big "Jobs" button, all the buttons are greyed out. So I don't know how to set up DVX to encode all day, and the few guides out there don't explain that.

jernst

21st March 2003, 01:16

Instead of hitting "next" button, just click on the jobs button when you are ready and you'll see that the buttons won't be grayed out. They should be grayed out only of you didn't selected any source yet.

In the jobs dialog, click on add, close the dialog, configure your next movies the same way and when you are ready to start the whole thing click on the jobs button and then click on "run" (or execute, I don't remember).

stax76

21st March 2003, 01:34

Yes, I installed all that. I'm not really sure what the problem is but when I choose my source d2v file it seems to be loading it but shows the following preview window as if it failed. http://jvance.com/files/preview.gif

The d2v file is fine and works great with the following avisynth script

MPEG2Source("F:\DVD\Panic Room\panicroom.d2v")

DVX creates a avs file *_Source.avs to get the source info's, if this failes it displays the script for the case it displays a error message, can you enlarge the window, does it show a error message? Wenn you open *_Source.avs in WMP, does it show a proper overall length

Emp3r0r

21st March 2003, 01:54

can you enlarge the window, does it show a error message? Wenn you open *_Source.avs in WMP, does it show a proper overall lengthI can't enlarge that window and I see no error message. The avs script it creates is fine in VirtualDub and WMP... I see no problem with the *_Source.avs files. Maybe I will try uninstalling everything and doing it from fresh.

colordog

24th March 2003, 01:25

After encoding hundreds of things with GKnot, I've now tried encoding three movies with DVX RC29 (and latest system pack) that I just finished with GKnot. I've gotten problems with DVX not manifested in GKnot.

1) All the audios (three of three, encoded to CBR MP3) have periodic, high-frequency 'bleeps'. You know, sounds like a really high scratch, that you hear from shitty MP3s sometimes. A look at the BeSweet log file though shows no errors. The 'bleeps' aren't existant in the GKnot encoded version, which has very similiar command arguements. Here's the log from DVX's BeSweet:

BeSweet v1.5b16 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using lame_enc.dll v1.28 (4/6/2002), Engine 3.92 <http://www.mp3dev.org/>.

Logging start : 03/23/03 , 15:03:46.

C:\Program Files\DVX\SysPack\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input C:\vobs\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 LPCM T01 48KHz_Cut.wav -output C:\vobs\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 LPCM T01 48KHz.mp3 -logfile C:\vobs\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 LPCM T01 48KHz_Cut_BeSweet.log ) -azid( -n1 -c normal -L -3db -g 10db ) -ota( -G max ) -lame( --scale 1 -p --alt-preset cbr 80 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : C:\vobs\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 LPCM T01 48KHz_Cut.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: C:\vobs\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1 LPCM T01 48KHz.mp3
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | PostGain normalize to : 0.97
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- LAME -------
[00:00:00:000] | 'cbr 80' preset is used
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[01:33:06:203] Conversion Completed !
[01:33:06:203] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 80kbps
[00:22:04:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

2) In three of three movies I've tried, the audios all had a persistent, increasing delay from the movie. Here, they were all aligned at the start of the movie, and became increasing out of sync as the movie progresses. Near the end of the movie, the audio is ahead by 2-20 seconds. GKnot-encodedversions were synced.

3) In one of the three cases, the credits were not appended to the movie. VDubMod provided an error stating that it could not find the appropriate file. Unfortunately, DVX does not seem to log errors like GKnot does (no mention of this error in any log). What I've been able to determine manually is that the Movie+audio-nocredits segment was in the \Movie directory, and the credits were in the \Movie\VTS_01_1_Temp directory, and the script sent to VDubMod assumed them to be in the same directory:

VirtualDub.Open("C:\vobs\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\Movie_Movie.avi",0,0);
VirtualDub.Append("C:\vobs\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\Movie_Credits.avi");
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("C:\vobs\MOVIE\VIDEO_TS\Movie_SecondPass.avi");

The problem here of course is that the credits were in \Movie\Video_TS\VTS_01_1_Temp. I'm unclear why one time out of three it was unable to do this. I'm not sure whether the credits were supposed to be out of the Temp directory, or whether the script was to be told to look in the Temp directory.

Has anyone had similar results with DVX?

vorbis

24th March 2003, 02:14

80kps seems awfully low for cbr mp3. perhaps thats the problem

Herske

24th March 2003, 02:27

I've played a bit with DVX today, not bad at all.

Unfortunately, the main window is not resizable, I'm using 800x600 (don't ask); for example, the crop windows goes way outside the screen and I can' resize it.

Other than that, I like it.

colordog

24th March 2003, 02:32

@ vorbis

I know 80kps is low - But I do have a reason for using it. The point is is that the 80kps MP3 when processed by GKnot has no 'pops' and is synced; not so with DVX.

Wulven

24th March 2003, 03:33

I believe Dolemite made a crop plugin for 800x600 users. I haven't tried it, but a thread on the DVX site says it is here:
http://www.planetdvb.net/dvx/crop.rar

Dunno if this will help you at all.

wotef

24th March 2003, 12:13

i'm impressed by dvx but i really don't like the way the syspack adds things to the winnt\system32 area - e.g. i already had avisynth installed and expected dvx to use its own discrete avisynth subdirectory, which it does for the plugins, but not for the dll --> when i uninstall the syspack, avisynth is removed from my system, as is the *.avs file association - :mad: - also, even though i didn't ask for the syspack to install any ogg directshow filters, after i uninstall the syspack, i can't play ogm files anymore --> i have to reinstall tobias' filters :mad:

basically, isn't there a better way of installing/uninstalling the syspack so that the user's system is not altered from its pre-installation state??

jernst

24th March 2003, 12:26

Latest versions of the SysPack are only uninstalling what has been installed by the SysPack (=what you selected). What version did you use to install the SysPack ? (please note that when using the online updater every package is installed regardless of what you choosed in your first installation)

As for the other problem (replacing current avisynth version), I don't see an easy way to make the syspack not uninstall things that you choosed to replace; and I don't think it's good practice to let garbage in system32 or registry when you uninstall something.

(Btw the SysPack contains the latest/best version of every single program it contains so that uninstallation shouldn't be used too often.)

cca

24th March 2003, 12:56

After reading this thread I tried DVX too. Unfortunaly I have the same problem that Emp3r0r has. I can't open any D2V files properly. All I get is a non-resizeable window which is no good. All the .avs scripts work fine by the themselves, I can see the movie length properly in WMP6.4, but DVX fails to detect it. I Believe that DVX needs more work because this may be some compatibility problem. Using newer APIs may be good, but has some problems as it seems. For me it is useless.

valnar

24th March 2003, 13:57

For what its worth, I couldn't get DVX to work for me either. I couldn't open my .d2v files created from DoitFast4U. GKnot works fine.

-Robert

Wulven

24th March 2003, 15:15

DVX has been coming out with a new release almost every week for a while now, so it IS getting more work, constantly.
Dolemite, ( and jernst ) are ironing out bugs and fixes on a weekly basis, so expect stuff to get ironed out quick. I think every problem I was having before has been fixed in a release or 2.

valnar

24th March 2003, 15:21

The only program I trust to mux my audio + video in AVI files is AVIMux by Alex Noe (I'm sure Alex will find this thread).

If you could incorporate that application, or his routines into DVX, then I could finally use one of these "all-in-one-DivX" apps for my DivX creations.

Otherwise, as with GKnot, I'll have to do the muxing seperately. I don't trust Nandub.

-Robert

jernst

24th March 2003, 16:51

I don't trust Nandub.
DVX is using VirtualDubMod and I never had any muxing issue, everything is sync (mpr cbr, vbr, ogg vorbis, etc.). Did you try it ? Another advantage to use VirtualDubMod is that you can mux into ogm (which is definitly much better than avi) with the same program.

stax76

25th March 2003, 04:39

@colordog

could you please attach *_Encode.dvx and *_DVX.log as zip or rar which a precise problem description if it happens again using RC 30

Unfortunately, the main window is not resizable, I'm using 800x600 (don't ask); for example, the crop windows goes way outside the screen and I can' resize it.

open the plugin editor and open the file crop.vb located in the plugin dir and hit compile, after a restart you have a alternative crop dialog

After reading this thread I tried DVX too. Unfortunaly I have the same problem that Emp3r0r has. I can't open any D2V files properly. All I get is a non-resizeable window which is no good. All the .avs scripts work fine by the themselves, I can see the movie length properly in WMP6.4, but DVX fails to detect it. I Believe that DVX needs more work because this may be some compatibility problem. Using newer APIs may be good, but has some problems as it seems. For me it is useless.

can you please make a screenshot of which DirectShow filters are loaded in Zoom Player when opening a avs file, known problems are subtitle mixer, VobSub below 2.20 and ffdshow using a feature I do not remember, something with raw. Instead subtitle mixer VobSub can be used. Media players use DirectShow and media players have the same problems so DirectShow would not help

For what its worth, I couldn't get DVX to work for me either. I couldn't open my .d2v files created from DoitFast4U. GKnot works fine.

it would be possible to work with the d2v file direct but it would break compatibility with other sources, DVX is designed to be as flexible as doing everything manually

The only program I trust to mux my audio + video in AVI files is AVIMux by Alex Noe (I'm sure Alex will find this thread).

If you could incorporate that application, or his routines into DVX, then I could finally use one of these "all-in-one-DivX" apps for my DivX creations.

Otherwise, as with GKnot, I'll have to do the muxing seperately. I don't trust Nandub.

if this program has a cli or scripting support it could be supported by DVX using a plugin. I recently did a aac/mp4 plugin

valnar

25th March 2003, 14:53

Dolemite,
When I decided DVX wasn't right for me (just yet, perhaps later), I uninstalled it. The only thing I hate more than a program that doesn't work, is one that doesn't uninstall properly or messes up other applications.

I went back to GKnot and it no longer worked. It took me almost an hour to figure out why GKnot was dying on encodes.

I had to reinstall AVISynth, and as it turns out, reinstall DVD Decrypter and VDub too.

Why can't you make your application use these programs in their default installation?

-Robert

stax76

25th March 2003, 15:30

When I decided DVX wasn't right for me (just yet, perhaps later), I uninstalled it. The only thing I hate more than a program that doesn't work, is one that doesn't uninstall properly or messes up other applications.

I went back to GKnot and it no longer worked. It took me almost an hour to figure out owhy GKnot was dying on encodes.

I had to reinstall AVISynth, and as it turns out, reinstall DVD Decrypter and VDub too.

Why can't you make your application use these programs in their default installations?

I don't like installers at all but we need them because of the most windows/DVX users need them, they are not able to configure their systems properly. I had several problems with the installers too but it's not easy to build them, jernst spends a lot time with this, feedback is appreciated, if you report problems and make suggestions I'm sure jernst can help you

jernst

25th March 2003, 15:44

The only thing I hate more than a program that doesn't work, is one that doesn't uninstall properly or messes up other applications.
As I told you before the recent versions of the SysPack are only uninstalling what they installed. So that the problem you encountered should not happen anymore.

Why can't you make your application use these programs in their default installations?
Some of the included programs are already installed this way and it would be possible with most of them (at least the ones that are using nsis) but it won't change nothing to the fact that when the syspack would be uninstalled it will call these uninstallers to be sure that what the syspack installed is uninstalled (because i hate programs that are not removing everything they installed). The advantage of doing it manually is that you can have more control over the place you install programs and icons in the start menu.

I hope this addresses your concerns about the SysPack,

cca

25th March 2003, 15:49

Using RC30 changes nothing here. DVX is still worthless. If I render an AVS script it loads Source File-> Avi Decompressor -> Color Space Converter -> Video Renderer. That's with ZoomPlayer 3Beta6. FFDSHOW is installed but Raw Video input is NOT enabled. SUbtitle mixer is not installed, I use VobSUb 2.23. DVX has a problem, I don't know what, but until it is fixed I have to use the traditional Gordian Knot method for my XviD encodings. At least GKnot can open my D2V file and calculate the proper filesizes and bitrates.
Too bad, it looks promising, but if it doesn't work...

valnar

25th March 2003, 16:00

Originally posted by jernst
As I told you before the recent versions of the SysPack are only uninstalling what they installed. So that the problem you encountered should not happen anymore.
I hope this addresses your concerns about the SysPack,

It just happened to me, unless you changed it in the last 2 days.

I already have AVISynth, DVD Decrypter, etc. installed. Most people here do. When I installed your Syspack, I then had two copies. I assume the ones in the Syspack overwrote my registry settings. So when I uninstalled the syspack, my original installations no longer worked.

jernst

25th March 2003, 16:08

Originally posted by cca
DVX is still worthless.

I don't think the ~13'000 people who downloaded DVX are finding it worthless. If you encounter problems with it other users might help you but you have to give more informations... I'm using it every day for my encodes without any problem.

Buggy Filter packs are known to cause problems with dvx.

Try to debug your situation:
- Do you have Nimo filter pack installed ?
--> Uninstall it
- Do you have ffdshow ?
--> Uninstall it
- Try all the following
--> regsvr32 /u DivXG400.ax
--> regsvr32 /u ffdshow.ax
--> regsvr32 /u ffdshow.dll
--> regsvr32 /U SubTitDS.dll
--> regsvr32 /U SubTitDS.ax
- Install latest DVX and latest SysPack

IF DVX IS WORKING NOW
- Please give feedback to let us know how you fixed your problem
- If you want reinstall the uninstalled filters one by one and check that DVX is working after each filter installation

IF DVX IS STILL NOT WORKING
- Describe your problem more precisely

Thanks !

jernst

25th March 2003, 16:12

Originally posted by valnar
It just happened to me, unless you changed it in the last 2 days.

I already have AVISynth, DVD Decrypter, etc. installed. Most people here do. When I installed your Syspack, I then had two copies. I assume the ones in the Syspack overwrote my registry settings. So when I uninstalled the syspack, my original installations no longer worked.

If you unchecked the programs you already have on your system when you install the syspack they won't uninstall so you'll keep your old installed copies. But if you ask the SysPack to install these programs they'll be uninstalled.

valnar

25th March 2003, 16:21

Originally posted by jernst
Buggy Filter packs are known to cause problems with dvx.

Try to debug your situation:
- Do you have ffdshow ?
--> Uninstall it

I have ffdshow. It was the only one from the list I use. I am also not willing to uninstall it since
1) Everything else works with it, so why can't DVX?
2) It's a much better decoder than DivX or XviD.
3) I use it with TheaterTek too.

Looks like I'm at a standstill.
Robert

Wulven

25th March 2003, 16:23

Heh, funny how you never see anyone say " Gnot is still worthless ", when people cannot get it to work on their systems. They come here for HELP, not criticism. Calling anything worthless, while others are finding it works just fine is pretty counter productive. DVX is a work in progress, the more people use it, the more problems will crop up. HELP with the development, or ASK for help, don't just call something "useless".

Rant Over

stax76

25th March 2003, 16:39

Everything else works with it, so why can't DVX?

DVX requires that DirectShow deals with avs files properly, this seem not to be the case when some DirectShow filters are installed. It's not a DVX problem, all DirectShow based programs have then problems with avs files for instance players don't show the overall length, the trackbar don't work etc. I did a test, in ffdshow Codecs -> Raw video must be disabled so ffdshow won't be loaded with avs files and DVX works. I tested also if Zoom Player have problems but with this filter there are no problems

Wulven

25th March 2003, 17:28

I have ffdshow installed on my system and DVX works fine as long as I don't have the raw video option checked.

Herske

25th March 2003, 20:07

Wulven, Dolemite: thanks for the crop plugin, I'll try it tonight.

Anyway, is it impossible to make that windows resizeable?

cca

25th March 2003, 22:08

Please everybody cool down. It was not my intention to start a flame war. I have no codec pack installed, I hate codec packs. I only have ffdshow and vobsub 2.23 installed along with Reclock Sound Renderer. I am NOT willing to uninstall any of the above mentioned programs because they are neccessary for me for playback. I DID try to disable them temporarily, no go. DVX has some kind of problem but I cannot norrow it down. Sorry, but when I wrote that is worthless I mean it is worthless form me and for me alone. I WILL test newer builds with the hope it will eventualy work as expected.

@jernst:

IF DVX IS STILL NOT WORKING
- Describe your problem more precisely

I don't know how more precice can I be! The Preview window is tiny and cannot be resized, the movie length is not detected and finally the picture size is also not detected! That makes DVX impossible to function.

stax76

25th March 2003, 22:31

@cca

does it work with a avi source?

cca

25th March 2003, 22:36

@Dolemite:

Nope, just tried it. The same symptoms. Tiny unresizeable preview window. Strange...

Maccara

25th March 2003, 23:37

Hmm..

Otherwise, I found DVX interesting, but I cannot use this as I still can't choose fps of the resulting clip myself. (or have an option to change it according to IVTC in avs, as has been possible in GK)

As for me, I have many semi-hybrid sources, which need to be IVTCd in AVS and currently DVX can't handle that.

This was already requested in DVX forums, but atleast latest (RC30) release does not recognise this change in "latest changes". (in forums it was suggested that "FILM" operation was used in AVI2DVD; which simply IS NOT an option for the DVD-sources I have)

This is the change I have been anticipating in order to conduct some testing if this software is any good for my purposes. (I'm not bothering to test software which enforces 30fps where it is not really needed)

Otherwise it seems that this software has been making very good progress and I would be glad to atleast see what it can do.

B Rgds,
Maccara

stax76

26th March 2003, 00:33

@Maccara

I will have to do a code inspection because of this, it's the next thing I will do. None of the testers had to deal with such sources, you are the second who mention this. Why do you need to choose the fps, I want to detect this automatic

@cca

I have these problems since over a year now but could find always the solution. Your case seem to be something new, I have no clue what possibly could be the problem, sorry. Does DVD2XCD work for you?

@Emp3r0r

How does DVD2XCD detect the information about the video, probably DirectShow but there are several ways to use DirectShow, I know first version used the dll written by Netmaster

Maccara

26th March 2003, 01:43

F.e. I have a source which has apprx 97-98% film material according to DVD2AVI (which material,I know; tested on several different methods, can be relatively safely IVTCd with telecide-decimate, i.e. decomb.dll, but film op on DVD2AVI will screw up badly) which is automatically detected as 30 fps by DVX, which is actually true, but not suitable for my encoding purposes.

Therefore, if not actually needed by majority, perhaps(?), I would like to have the option to declare this for DVX manually, if not detected automatically (not easy/viable, since one could use any possible method/plugin for IVTC, unless detected by AVS framerate instead, etc).

Therefore, you CAN'T rely on DVD2AVI detection _only_ as it is simply wrong on some occasions. (not worth losing 7fps bandwidth for whole movie, for the sake of 2-3%, which could be used for quality instead ;) )

This would be really easy to code as an user-selectable option...

B Rgds,
Maccara

colordog

26th March 2003, 01:53

I've got to agree with Maccara - this is often the case with anime vids.

seewen

26th March 2003, 12:08

Their's a "DVD2VI" menu in DVX ( F11 ). You can choose between "None", "Forced film", "Auto" ( + 2-3 other options ).

But personally I prefer doing the D2v project myself. And then using it as a source in DVX.

Maccara

26th March 2003, 13:58

Of course I know I can change DVD2AVI behaviour.

As I already explained, DVD2AVI forced film op is not an option always. It only works for properly telecined source.

B Rgds,
Maccara

cca

26th March 2003, 15:01

@Dolemite:

DVD2XCD is able to open the file and detect the proper movie duration and is in fact displaying a working preview window. I hope this helps.

stax76

26th March 2003, 22:39

@cca

I'm working on a class for displaying
video files using DirectShow COM interfaces,
this way I can build my own filter graph.
Will probably take some time.

cca

26th March 2003, 22:47

@Dolemite:

I will be happy to test it when it's ready.
Cheers!

Emp3r0r

27th March 2003, 00:08

@Dolemite: yea, I'm using the NetMaster code for directshow. it works well. in fact, it works better than directx9. can you point me to where I can learn about creating plugins for DVX? is there a plugin interface class?

jernst

27th March 2003, 09:28

Originally posted by Emp3r0r
@Dolemite: yea, I'm using the NetMaster code for directshow. it works well. in fact, it works better than directx9. can you point me to where I can learn about creating plugins for DVX? is there a plugin interface class?

You can look at the sources of the 5 plugins that are distributed with DVX RC30 (you can even open and compile it from within DVX using the plugin editor, but an IDE would be more helpfull). Then if you make a plugin and would like to share it with others, please send it to me Jonathan at ErnstFamily.ch along with a description and list of required softwares so I can make it available on the plugins download page of dvx AND from the updater plugin.

With luck the Plugin API will be described in details in the help file of DVX but AFAIK there is no documentation other than the example plugins on it.

thanks !

stax76

28th March 2003, 18:30

I'm using the NetMaster code for directshow. it works well. in fact, it works better than directx9

I saw at the web site only very basic things are supported. The NETMASTER DLL or the ActiveMovie COM object which is the NETMASTER DLL based on I think are not easy to use so I will implement a easy to use class and hope the small preview problems will disappear.

can you point me to where I can learn about creating plugins for DVX? is there a plugin interface class?

you can learn by the sources, ask at my board or per email, if you need events better per email so I can send you a updated version

stax76

1st April 2003, 22:40

@Maccara

please test if IVTC works with RC 31

@cca

I had problems with building a DirectShow filter graph, I was near but there was a problem that requires deep knowledge of interop to master which I don't have, using Delphi or C++ would not be a big problem I think

cca

1st April 2003, 22:52

I hope you succeed Dolemite. I believe DVX is a good tool from the limited contact I had with it, but in its current form is has problems with some systems including mine.

Best regards!

Emp3r0r

2nd April 2003, 01:50

@Dolemite: did you figure out the preview window problem discussed in this thread?

stax76

2nd April 2003, 02:35

did you figure out the preview window problem discussed in this thread?

these problems are rare and cca was the first one who had it without a filter disturbing, when I remember right he checked it with GraphEdit. I wanted to solve this by using DirectShow COM interfaces building my own filter graph but no matter what I did I got always "SizeParamIndex can not be used for ByRef array parameters", I tried with VB with ByRef and C# with out, I need to rewrite the interfaces provided by NETMASTER I think but I have no clue of complicated things like unmanged code, interop, COM etc., maybe NETMASTER tell me how to do this, he is MVP at german .NET usegroups, I think I write to the usegroup right now :)

Emp3r0r

2nd April 2003, 17:11

I don't understand the problems you are having with the NETMaster DLL. Once you open the video with the interfaces, you can get the information you need by sayingprivate void GetSourceVideoInfo()
{
//set video length
double end;
this.mediaPos.get_Duration(out end);
d2x.Duration = TimeSpan.FromSeconds(end);
//set # of frames
double tpf;
this.basicVideo.AvgTimePerFrame(out tpf);
d2x.TPF = tpf;
double frames = end / tpf;
d2x.Frames = Convert.ToInt32(frames);
//autoset credits end if not already set
if (d2x.CreditsEndB <= 0) d2x.CreditsEndB = d2x.Frames;
//get width
int width;
this.basicVideo.VideoWidth(out width);
d2x.SourceWidth = d2x.OutWidth = width;
//get height
int height;
this.basicVideo.VideoHeight(out height);
d2x.SourceHeight = d2x.OutHeight = height;
//set arbitrary opening position
if (intFrame == 0) intFrame = (d2x.Frames / 25);
}

stax76

2nd April 2003, 17:54

but this don't work when you install subtitle mixer etc. but NETMaster replied to my request so I'm gonna start to build a graph now, I hope this time I have more luck

stax76

3rd April 2003, 21:24

I've built a graph so I hope I can release a working version tomorrow

stax76

4th April 2003, 13:54

Hi everybody,
I released DVX 3.0 RC 32. A compiled version
can be found in the source package at SourceForge.
This is hopefully the last version before the
final release. I replaced MCI with DirectShow
so other filters like Subtitle Mixer or ffdshow
can't disturb DVX, hopefully no more small preview
window problems like reported so often. I hope it
works on all Windows versions, it requires Windows XP,
on old Windows versions DirectX 8.1 must be installed.
As usual other small changes and fixes were done.
We could need some help on the translation part,
translation and help files need a little work.

Dolemite

Emp3r0r

4th April 2003, 17:42

@dolemite: good job, with the newest update i can finally open a .d2v file no problem. I started taking a look at the crop plugin and it can't find the namespace DVX or DVX.OOP, where are these libraries?

stax76

4th April 2003, 18:55

DVX.OOP is a module, I called it OOP because some people say using modules is bad programming style :D . Everything in a module is global. Unlike C# VB can import Modules/Classes, C# can only import (using) namespaces. You need to put a reference to the DVX assembly to use the types defined in there like you know but VisualStudio don't allow this but notepad does :D , Visualtudio allows only dll file extension for assemblys to be referenced. Anyway the crop plugin is not updated to DirectShow and don't work in RC 32 and there seem to be a compatibility problem with w2k and maybe w9x with the new DirectShow code

cca

4th April 2003, 20:35

Could not get interfaces

Exception from HRESULT: 0x80040216

That's what I get when trying to open a .d2v file...

stax76

4th April 2003, 20:38

Could not get interfaces

Exception from HRESULT: 0x80040216

which DX Version and which Windows version do you use?

cca

4th April 2003, 20:45

Windows XP Professional SP1 with latest post SP1 patches, DVX Version the one you just released!
I must also note, that after this message, I hit OK and nothing happens(windows dissapears). I then hit the preview button, the same error appears, I hit OK and the Preview Window finaly appears. But there are still problems.

stax76

4th April 2003, 20:52

we have similar systems :confused:, jernst has the same problem, I hope he can help me to debug it

stax76

4th April 2003, 21:00

google showed the following:

0x80040216 IMAPI_E_INITIALIZE_ENDWRITE HRESULT: VFW_E_NOT_FOUND - Description: An object or name was not found.

you could help me by posting the filter graph of graph edit for avs files, you can save it in xml format, maybe it has something to do with the filters

Wulven

4th April 2003, 23:34

Good Stuff,
Thanks Dolemite

mazzo

7th April 2003, 21:23

Hakko:
A combination I've found very useful is GKnot and DivX5Enc.

How?

And did anyone reply to the question I found in this thread - is it ok to have both GK and DVX installed?

hakko504

7th April 2003, 21:50

Originally posted by mazzo
Hakko:

How? No big deal really, I use GKnot to setup the basic .avs script and calculate the bitrate. Then I use DivX5Enc to encode the video (including compression test), and finally I mux manually using VirtualDubMod.

mazzo

7th April 2003, 21:53

Hakko:
No big deal really, I use GKnot to setup the basic .avs script and calculate the bitrate. Then I use DivX5Enc to encode the video (including compression test), and finally I mux manually using VirtualDubMod.

What's the advantage of muxing with VirtualDubMod rather than NanDub, and where do you do the audio encoding?

hakko504

7th April 2003, 22:13

Audio encoding: BeSweet (if I transcode the audio at all, I keep the AC3 audio most of the time nowadays.)

VDM vs Nandub: Well, I haven't had any real problems with nandub, but there are a few minor errors in both AC3 and MP3 muxing in nandub which have been corrected. Synch is slightly better if I use VDM. 9 times out of 10 there is no problems with either proggie, but if there is a problem, it is likely to be a smaller problem if I use VDM. Only way of making sure there is no audio synch problems is to use CBR audio.

mazzo

8th April 2003, 14:34

Hakko, what do you do with the credits tail encoding and merging?

hakko504

8th April 2003, 14:37

1-pass QB with Q=12 usually. Mux at the same time as I add audio.

mazzo

8th April 2003, 14:41

Sorry about all these questions, Hakko, but let me just get this straight: First you open a d2v or avi or avs with say segmented avi's as a project in GKnot.

Then you make the xxxx.avs script and the xxxx_Credits.avs script in GKnot and read them with Divx 5 Enc?

And what about subtitles?

hakko504

8th April 2003, 14:48

Originally posted by mazzo
And what about subtitles? What about them? ;) Also prepared in GKnot - vobsub to read them off the DVD and when saving the .avs I check the box that says 'vobsub'. I do tend to make sure the subtitles are added quite early in the script, after deinterlacing/IVTC but before cropping/resizing. I've found that to be the best way of putting them in the right place in the final video.

mazzo

8th April 2003, 15:05

Tusen takk - I'll try all that when I'm home from work.

colordog

9th April 2003, 20:21

This certainly is a very interesting thread ... I believe that GKnot and DVX are both excellent programs supported by knowledgeable groups.

I've used GKnot 0.2x for well over a year, and have made hundreds of encodes. I've been trying out DVX for the last month and a half or so, with around 40 encodes.

All things considered, I think that (currently, at least) I have no choice but to stick with Gordian Knot, simply because I and a few others have consistent audio sync problems with DVX, under a variety of conditions. (see http://www.planetdvb.net/board/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=187& and http://www.planetdvb.net/board/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=301&). While I'm positive Dolemite et al. will eventually figure it out, I'm definitely a bastard when it comes to waiting. :p

I really do love DVX's user interface, especially the AVIscript editor window - I love to be able to scroll through all the plugins, and click on which variables I want - idiot proof!

However, I really am amazed at which the GKnot developers (i.e., len0x) has been quickly adding features to the GKnot 0.28 alpha versions. Already, it works with AVIsynth 2.5.1, DivX 5.0.3/5.0.4, VDubMod, and Xvid! Wow! And it looks like some great work is being done on the installers programs as well. At this rate, in the next month or so, GKnot will be able to sing, dance, and tell jokes while ripping. :) Honestly, I've reported a bug to len0x and had a new alpha release that fixed it in under a quarter of a day! Holy smokes.

Really, I think both these programs have a lot of great potential in them... I remind all to check out DVX's message board (http://www.planetdvb.net/board/) as well as the GKnot development forum (http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=70). [Remember though, alpha releases tend not to be for newbies!] Whichever program you use, remember to be appreciative of the people who take the time out of their day to create these programs and share them with us.

Thanks WEF, len0x, and Dolomite! (And DSPguru too, of course!) And all the avisynth people... and VDub and VDubMod people... and the guys who make terrific filters (TomsMoComp!).... etc.etc.etc.

goweropolis

9th April 2003, 23:11

I'm a huge flip-flopper, but right now I'm with DVX. I like the way it auto-updates progs, and the one-button encode plugin sounds good! I just had too much trouble with the alpha versions of GKnot. I'll check back with them again once 0.28 is final. My next project is to check out RV9 and see how that goes.

wingphil

10th April 2003, 17:12

great isn't it? nothing like a bit of healthy competition.

it's a race to see who can get to final status first! woo!

stax76

10th April 2003, 17:51

it's a race to see who can get to final status first! woo!

we have rather big plans at the moment

colordog

10th April 2003, 18:01

Nah, it's not a race of time, but a race of coolness. :)

Regarding time, BOTH teams turn around bug fixes pretty darn fast, IMO.

@dolemite
What are your future big plans for DVX?

stax76

10th April 2003, 18:08

the updater will be completely redesigned, by default there will be much more automation because people love one click tools, migrating to VirtualDubMod 1.5.x (not public yet) will require big changes because almost every script function has changed, there are quite a few other things on the to do list, will probably take some time...

len0x

11th April 2003, 14:59

Originally posted by wingphil
great isn't it? nothing like a bit of healthy competition.

it's a race to see who can get to final status first! woo!

I don't think it is a competition really :)
I'm in a hurry, coz I'm going on holidays soon, and want to be done with 0.28 final before that... But once we have team organized - development will be even faster (I already have offers from quite a few people willing to help...)

wingphil

11th April 2003, 16:49

i wasn't trying to stir up sh!t ;), i just think it's great that so many people are prepared to put their own time and effort in for no reward except thanks from grateful users.

keep it up everyone!

len0x

12th April 2003, 17:00

Story: how I started coding for GK :)

I was using GK for about 1,5 years while it was developing very nicely.
But recenly not having new codecs support I started looking around and found DVX. I was struggling with it for a while (actually to be honest I was struggling with .NET) but I'd end up using it anyway...

One day I decided to submit a request at DVX board - I really mised smartcrop feature of GK in DVX. So i did. But unfortunately ppl there including Dolemite thought that it's not important (with what I agree), but that somehow turned me off a bit (my programming policy usually - if it's very simple thing to do, then as a programmer I don't care if it's important or not, I can just do it and make someone happy :) ) At the same time I got GK sources and found out that they are in Delphi, in which I was programming around 3 years ago, but I managed to remember everything perfectly. That's how its all started! :)

So, thanks Dolemite! - if it wasn't for you, users would probably not see new GK version as soon as now... (eventually, of cource - it's just I came along at the right moment with the right desire...)