subs are missing - instantcopy

[toolman2k]

i already posted it here:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45705

[toolman2k]

ok i tried it again with band of brothers disc 2...but no luck! i tried it with an iso mounted image instead of all files ripped in file mode in decrypter.

but i still have no dutch subs!!!

maybe it has something to do with the reg hack ?

i read someone doing first disc of xfiles ok without hack....and after hack disc 2 didnt work out at all, missing subs also.

i will try without the hack and post my results.

[rmtaibo]

Probably you stripped some subtitle stream...
If you keep al subtitle languages, your copy will work.
InstantCopy does not remap Subtitle Streams.
If you open the disc made by Instant Copy maybe youll find

Subtitle Stream 0x21 in the ifo file

But you could find that the required stream is at 0x20 in the VOB file.

Another solution:

Remap your Subtitle Stream with IfoEdit to 0x20.

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by rmtaibo
Probably you stripped some subtitle stream...
If you keep al subtitle languages, your copy will work.
InstantCopy does not remap Subtitle Streams.
If you open the disc made by Instant Copy maybe youll find

Subtitle Stream 0x21 in the ifo file

But you could find that the required stream is at 0x20 in the VOB file.

Another solution:

Remap your Subtitle Stream with IfoEdit to 0x20.

what good ishaving the option to strip and then doesnt work ? i dont get it...anyway, i opened the original ifo and the instantcopy one...and both had same ID for dutch subtitle (0x2e,0x20)..any more ideas ?

[rmtaibo]

You didn't understand me... Sorry, English is not my best skill. :D ... :rolleyes: ... :(
Check your vob file, not the ifo file. The ifo file has not changed but the vob file. I'm sure your ifo file is not the problem.
Use TMPGEnc under MPEG Tools --> Demultiplex and check the private streams differences between your original vob file and instantcopy vob file. Just use the first vob file of the main movie.
I'm sure that there's no correspondence between ifo and vob file with stream id's. Instant copy preserved the original ifo information, but changed the id in the vob file...
If this is your problem, just make a copy again but preserving all subpicture streams. The video quality will not get affected...
But if you are good working with ifoedit, is better to change the ifo file according to the vob file.
Hope this help. Good luck.

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by rmtaibo
You didn't understand me... Sorry, English is not my best skill. :D ... :rolleyes: ... :(
Check your vob file, not the ifo file. The ifo file has not changed but the vob file. I'm sure your ifo file is not the problem.
Use TMPGEnc under MPEG Tools --> Demultiplex and check the private streams differences between your original vob file and instantcopy vob file. Just use the first vob file of the main movie.
I'm sure that there's no correspondence between ifo and vob file with stream id's. Instant copy preserved the original ifo information, but changed the id in the vob file...
If this is your problem, just make a copy again but preserving all subpicture streams. The video quality will not get affected...
But if you are good working with ifoedit, is better to change the ifo file according to the vob file.
Hope this help. Good luck.

ok i just tried this:

i opened vts_01 file of original and copy...both only showed stream info on video and audiostreams somehow...so...

i opened the vts_02 files of both, and well

- original has 19 subpicturestreams in it
- copy has only 18, and it doesnt have the 0x2e entry that the original has.....so that must be one thats missing.it also has all id's in a different order

i guess that the problem is that the ifo in copy has ID (0x2e,0x20)(as in original),but the 0x2e is missing, therefore it selects an empty stream...

i guess i have to find in what ID the dutch subs are and then edit the ifo so the stream has the right ID ? or what?

or is it just not included at all in the copy ?

help me out:)

[rmtaibo]

I'm sure of this:
If you use InstantCopy again and keep all the subpicture streams, it will work. What is the difference between keep 18 subpicture streams and 19?

If I'm right, go to your DVD player. Play the movie and select in the menu the language before that you want.

Example:
1 English
2 Portuguese
3 Spanish (Deleted by InstantCopy)
4 Dutch
5 German

If you select 3 maybe your player will display the language 4 (that you want)

Another solution:
Use ifoedit before InstantCopy. Strip all you want, but uncheck "correct ifo tables" option. Then use InstantCopy.

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by rmtaibo
I'm sure of this:
If you use InstantCopy again and keep all the subpicture streams, it will work. What is the difference between keep 18 subpicture streams and 19?

If I'm right, go to your DVD player. Play the movie and select in the menu the language before that you want.

Example:
1 English
2 Portuguese
3 Spanish (Deleted by InstantCopy)
4 Dutch
5 German

If you select 3 maybe your player will display the language 4 (that you want)

Another solution:
Use ifoedit before InstantCopy. Strip all you want, but uncheck "correct ifo tables" option. Then use InstantCopy.

hey, i dont keep 18 subsstreams ! i checked only two ! dutch and english..so its pretty weird it has them in the vobs...right ?

anyway, i selected only dutch and english subs in intstantcopy....then when i play the movie, i can select both EN and dutch, but only EN subs show up, dutch can be selected, however dont show up.

when in the menu, selecting dutch subs and going back to movie...it just shows english....in fact with any sub i choose it jumpt to english...probably because the rest is empty ?

[wanton]

Selected Third subtitle "english" original stream id or 0x22 and after using InstantCopy it was stream id 0x20 so InstantCopy indeed remaps subtitle streams but id in ifo isn't changed it was still 0x22 and that english subtitle didn't work at all. VOB you have bug in your muxing appartement it maps substitle first selected to 0x20 and so on and it shouldn't do that :)

[mhz]

I have the same problem with choosing only two subtitles
I prepare the dvd again with ALL the subtitles streams and it is working fine,but,this is not a solution for this BUG.
BTW,I'm using the retail version
Do anyone know if this is a BUG or there is a solution for this problem by Pinnacle or work-around
Tx.
Miki :confused:

[mhz]

How can I edit the IFO file to change the stream ID :confused:
tx.
Miki

[DVD Maniac]

Same problem has happended to me after processing Godfather 2 (Disc1). I told it to keep all the English Subs but it has only kept the Hearing Impaired stream and NOT the forced sub version which is the one I really wanted! Definitely a bug.

The suggestion to keep all the subs will probably work, however why keep a load of clutter that you will not be needing? Till Pinnacle fix this, my suggestion is to use Ifoedit and strip out all the unwanted streams first.

1. Load up your main movie .ifo and do a Strip Streams - select all the streams you want to keep

2. When its done creating the new Title set copy all the other files to the new folder so it basically looks like the original VIDEO_TS folder (with your cleaned up main movie title set and new VTS_xx_01.ifo that Ifoedit created).

3. You should find that the new VTS_xx_01.ifo file has only the subs you want to keep.

4. Now do a GET VTS Sectors to be on the safe side (I am not sure if this is absolutely necessary but do it anyway).

5. Now process with Instant Copy as you did before, except you will just be keeping all the subs

6. Use one of the great utilities posted on the site to create your image or files out of those pesky .pdi files and check out the result

I am going to try this process now for the failed Godfather and see what happens.

[mrbass]

Ok I'm going to jump out on a limb. BTW I did over 6 or so tests last night with back to the future. Only takes about 20-25mins per test. Just set main movie quality to 100% so you can get like 20MB/sec. I loaded the original ripped .ifo with dvddecrypter (file mode all) and guess what...it didn't play subtitle French. So let's see if this isn't a dvddecrypter problem perhaps? In other words double check to make sure all subs are working right after you rip. I also tried dvd2one 1.0.1 and voila..same thing no French subs. So I don't think we can blame Instant copy nor DVD2ONE for this oddity.
Yes both Spanish and English worked fine...selecting both or just selecting one at a time.

[DVD Maniac]

On my example the subs were all there on the ripped version and I must say I have never encountered any dropped subs by DVD Deccrypter (are you running the up to date version?). I am trying an Ifoedit strip streams pre-process first to see if it works and will post results. I honestly think this is an Instant Copy issue (although in your case it might not be)

[DVD Maniac]

I just completed a rerun of Godfather2, this time removing unwanted subs first by IFoedit and running Get VTS sectors, then Instant Copy to pdi image then pdixtrat to VIDEO_TS files.

The missing forced English subs are now there which were missing when I asked Instant Copy to do the stripping. Obviously only one example but this looks like an Instant Copy problem - not DVD Decrypter. And yes I do have InstantCopy - 7.0.0.91 before mrbass jumps on me!

BTW - I have sourced a full retail copy today and am going to give it a try to see if the same problems occur.

[wanton]

I think problem might not come out with all dvd players but atleast sigmadesigns hollywood+ has problems with showing any subtitles if i choose just one subtitle stream from the middle. And IC is mapping subtitles and it should do that since some dvd select subtitles in menus with diffrent ways meaning if you change subtitle number selecting subtitles through menus won't work correctly. But should work if you select subtitle during movie but i think this is a bug that should be corrected. I'll test that what was suggested before about ripping main movie and so on and i hope if i don't remove any subtitles it won't remap them.

[DVD Maniac]

If you use Ifoedit stripping it should not reorder the subs, or change the ID numbers so in theory all should work exactly as the original. I have yet to have a failed Ifoedit stripping.

I get mixed results with Pinnacle , I just tried a straight Pinnacle Instant Copy sub extract and it works fine, whereas another it ditched one of the forced subs for some reason. Maybe its because it was a forced sub - only time and experience with the tool will tell.

The most re;iable process at the moment looks like an Ifoedit strip, then Pinnacle, Ifoedit Strip again of all VTS's (with all streams retained) to verify and clean up the layer break. Get VTS sectors then burn.

The one remaining snag is that the main menu may still not work as in the original becuase of the button mappings. Bugger.

Is it me or is point and click full DVD copying still a LONGGGG way off!