Pinnacle Instant Copy is out [Archive]

firewired

14th February 2003, 22:00

mb1 already posted a comparison report with screenshots. It's in German, but here's the translated Google link:

InstantCopy Test Report (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvd-svcd-hilfe.de%2Fforum%2Fmb1%2Finstantcopy7%2Finstant.htm&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)

Conclusion? InstantCopy is a superior product.

raptor79

15th February 2003, 01:59

does anybody got a hold of this, seems impossible to download right now,if somebody has it can you plese pm me with a private html download perhaps, thanks, I really wanna try it out

MrFaust

15th February 2003, 02:22

I'm putting this baby to the test. Processing a dvd that has 61 VTS sets and multiangle. Will post outcome when it's done.

raptor79

15th February 2003, 02:29

please somebody must have it, Mr faust you got pm.
please icq at: 119957509

kilikili

15th February 2003, 03:12

Should be on kazaa called 'InstantCopy_Demo.zip'

wangofree

15th February 2003, 03:50

This is a monster compared to the 94 (or is it 97kb?) of DVD2ONE...

I purchased a full copy of DVD2ONE and am ecstatic how quick and clean it produces, but curious to make a comparison with PIC software....:rolleyes: I guess competition is good for something.

:D WF

grufzilla

15th February 2003, 04:35

This tool sounds very good.

What are the restrictions of the demo version?

raptor79

15th February 2003, 06:15

15 days and max 5 min ac3 encoding

mrbass

15th February 2003, 06:18

Originally posted by moriaty
download @ http://www.vob.de/download/InstantCopy_Demo.zip, is slow as hell now :)

got that right. It's 15MB ok here's my temp MIRROR (http://www.membo.org/InstantCopy_Demo.zip)

Jafco

15th February 2003, 08:00

Thanks for the mirror mrbass; once my dl is complete I'm throwing it on Kazaa.

mookyking

15th February 2003, 08:23

thans mrbass for the mirror, vob.de was downloading at 800 bytes/second! Can't wait to give it a try tonight...

MrFaust

15th February 2003, 09:10

OK just to let ya'll know, i finished processing the dvd. My machine locked @ about 85% finished, not due to PIC7, i had alot of things going. Anyways, i restarted the process, it took PIC7 a total of 3.5 hours to process all 61 VTS sets on my system. Burned to disc and played in my Onkyo DV-S939. Looks great, all functions work, even the multiangle. Sorry I can't post pics to compare the quality, don't want ppl to think doom9 is a porn site :P But the quality output for the picture is awesome!

I have to say this test really impressed me. Yeah sure it takes longer to process than DVD2One, but what doesn't. And for now it processed everything without a hitch.

My System Specs...
Windows XP
dual P3-1ghz CPUs
2gb of pc150 ram
hdds are all ata133

atreides93

15th February 2003, 10:00

Looks like you can't buy it in the USA right now.
blah

Jafco

15th February 2003, 11:59

I'm running the trial right now on a disc that gave me problems with my prior IFOUpdate, etc. methods, Mummy Returns.

It allows you to select streams and select percentage of re-compression on a title by title basis (actually seems to be on a PGC-by-PGC basis). For a full, 8 GB disc, it seems like it will take about 2.5 to 3 hours on an Athlon 1800 XP DDR system (with different source and destination hard drives).

It also lets you re-compress menus, which could be quite good.

If this works, then it's going to kill DVD2One, based on preliminary video quality screenshots I've seen.

sebus

15th February 2003, 13:02

Or it is me that can not find it?
What is the price?

sebus

SlaRty

15th February 2003, 14:16

Dabs.com has it as overdue @ £25.84 inc V.A.T

http://www.dabs.com/products/prod-search.asp?action=search&tid=%2D1&mid=218&ob=manufacturer&obd=asc&stab=ref

Dunno about anywhere else but Amazon is supposed to be a reseller.

valnar

15th February 2003, 15:11

I read the German review of the product with the screenshots.

Not only is this going to kill DVD2One, but most of the other tools/methods on Doom9! I can't wait.

Robert

OsirisMedia01

15th February 2003, 15:34

I dont think it will kill DVD2One
depends what your after

DVD2One is much cheaper
and inevitably alot quicker
if you dont care about menus or the extras DVD2one is still your best bet

But yeah this app will no doubt cut out the middle man with alot of other apps required to do the one job.

BlueCup

15th February 2003, 16:06

I think mb1 changed something in the registry so you can pick just the movie.

DVD2ONE might be short lived if the new updates don't match up.

Rombaldi

15th February 2003, 16:09

And Pinnacle also took the same tact that DVD2One took, they don't decrypt (as does DVDXCopy) so no one can touch them.. and since they are working with a DATA STRUCTURE that could be completely user generated (from their own videos) they can't be 'forced' to stick any 'this is a copy' notice in the output (again ala DVDXCopy)...

gawd.. the MPAA will have an absolute seizure over this...

valnar

15th February 2003, 16:12

Originally posted by OsirisMedia01
I dont think it will kill DVD2One
depends what your after

DVD2One is much cheaper
and inevitably alot quicker
if you dont care about menus or the extras DVD2one is still your best bet

According to the review I read, it has better quality than DVD2One and is roughly the same price (under $50 US), so I see no advantages to DVD2One. People are spoiled now with 20 minutes to process a DVD. For better quality, 3 hours is not too bad compared to the "Old" ways.

Robert

Sepen

15th February 2003, 16:22

Originally posted by valnar
According to the review I read, it has better quality than DVD2One and is roughly the same price (under $50 US), so I see no advantages to DVD2One. People are spoiled now with 20 minutes to process a DVD. For better quality, 3 hours is not too bad compared to the "Old" ways.

Robert

I would concur with what you have said. One thing that is bothering me though, I had ton's of fun spending hours and hours using all different programs to achieve a satisfactory result but now with the advent of these programs it has become to simple. What will I do with all my spare time? :)

kilikili

15th February 2003, 16:40

Oh my gosh! I CAN"T BELIEVE IT WORKED! Menus and everything! I used the movie 'there's something about mary', a 7 gig movie and burned it down to a DVDR. I'm can navigate through then menus as if it were an original! Nothing was left out as an experiment, all the audo, extra features, everything! And it looks fantastic! The video quaility is still excellent for general movie watching. Oh man! I'm excited!

This is what I did:

1.) Ripped the entired disc to harddrive using smartripper

2.) Ran the Instant copy program and selected the ripped movie on the harddrive as the source, and the DVDR drive with a blank DVDR as the destination.

3.) Then pressed 'Start' That's it!

The program went through a pass analysing the files which took awhile, but then later burned the disk. Fired the movie in my dvd set top player, checked the subtitles and they're all there. Checked all audio: 5.1, 2ch, and foreign, all there. Checked the various extras, music videos, all there. Y'all! It's all there!

Instant Copy seemed to have NOT take any extra harddrive space too, if any, very little. I say this because I had barely enough room for a 7 gig file rip with about 300 megs left for processing.

Here's the strange thing. The program demo is suppose to stop the AC3 audio after 5 minutes. All the audio in my test is working! Including the AC3! Is this a flaw? I never heard of a demo program where the flaw is in the demo limitations itself.

I'm very anxious to hear the results of others. Mine was very successful! I'm also very happy and pleased with the results. I may just purchase the program after all!

Kilikili

kilikili

15th February 2003, 16:44

BTW, I'm running Windows XP with 2000XP Athlon Processor, a Hitachi GD-2500 DVD-Rom drive as source and a Pioneer DVR-105

Kilikili

t1955feb

15th February 2003, 17:19

Yes Yes great tool tested the demo and its better than dvd2one.
2 hours for the movie Contact only for testing great menu and all worked but only 5 min sound gone buy this program:)

zwieber

15th February 2003, 17:22

Same story here ... perfect backup, including all menu's, languages etc.

No 5 min limit on the audio.

Picture quality is excellent. The original was 8.5 Gig

I just purchased the software through amazon.co.uk
Too bad it's not available through an on-line purchase, I hope they deliver before the 15 day trial ends.

valnar

15th February 2003, 17:32

Originally posted by Sepen
I would concur with what you have said. One thing that is bothering me though, I had ton's of fun spending hours and hours using all different programs to achieve a satisfactory result but now with the advent of these programs it has become to simple. What will I do with all my spare time? :)
It's still fun to have learned all this though! In any case, IfoEdit and DVD Decrypter could still be used for some things.

I'm trying the demo now on a couple of "problem" discs that I could never get working with any other method. I have a multi-PGC with multi-angle disc going now (close to 8GB too). I won't have sound after 5 minutes, but I should know in 2 minutes if this product is a winner!

-Robert

cap4000

15th February 2003, 17:53

trial is on Kazza now, search for InstantCopy_Demo, InstantCopy_Demo1, InstantCopy, Instant, Instant trial, Instant Copy,
I found it list all these ways

kheops

15th February 2003, 18:12

ed2k://|file|InstantCopy_Demo.zip|15301440|64595dde9ce5ed93213ac983f1893f66|/

:sly:

wangofree

15th February 2003, 18:27

Originally posted by valnar
I read the German review of the product with the screenshots.

Not only is this going to kill DVD2One, but most of the other tools/methods on Doom9! I can't wait.

Robert

I started up the demo, processing the entire dvd of "the great escape", came back home after 2 1/2 hours, and it STILL had 171 minutes to go!! Granted I'm at the low end with P3 667 s/512mg ram, but holy moly! I'll stick with DVD2ONE thank you!

(Funny, now I know how the die hard encoders feel about their method when something truly easy and fairly good quality comes along...I'll definitely give Erwin time to upgrade before I plop down another $48 for software.)

Maybe it's my setup, but so far, not a good experience.

:D WF

tmac

15th February 2003, 18:29

Used this today for Big Brother 1. No restrictions on audio. However the finished DVD is only 3.8 gig. I set it to discard all languages except English, and no subtitles. But this cannot explain the undersized DVD. Anyone else noticed this?

mrbass

15th February 2003, 18:50

Transcoded same movie with dvd2one took 30 mins on P4 2.53Ghz. With InstantCopy it took 2 hours. So yes it takes 4 times as long but the quality is clearly superior and worth the extra time. I resized the extras down from 833MB to around 600MB IIRC. The main movie was around 3.1GB. For $10 more it's definitely worth the $50.

To resize main movie and menus, etc.
use registry hack near bottom of page6 (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=de_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dvd-svcd-hilfe.de%2Fforum%2Fmb1%2Finstantcopy7%2Finstant6.htm)

baker

15th February 2003, 18:50

Anybody got a mirror!!!!

I am on dial up but really want to try this programme.. and maybe write a guide!

Any links?

you can mail me at muckians@gofree.indigo.ie

DO NOT SEND THE PROGRAMME THEIR HOWEVER!!!

Baker

mrbass

15th February 2003, 19:12

two mirrors
http://www.membo.org/InstantCopy_Demo.zip

http://www.leidigs.de/downloads/instantcopydemo.zip

int 21h

15th February 2003, 19:25

This has already been pirated, they better work on their security.

MrWGT

15th February 2003, 19:56

Hi...
Originally posted by zwieber
I just purchased the software through amazon.co.uk
Too bad it's not available through an on-line purchase, I hope they deliver before the 15 day trial ends. I think that amazon.co.uk is still offering the old product.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008K94S/qid%3D1045334940/026-6877435-5489265

ASIN: B00008K94S
CD-ROM - 25 October, 2002 <<<<<<<<<< New version will be released on 2003/02/17
Amazon.co.uk Sales Rank: 90

QUESTION: Does anybody "recognize" the 5 minute limit of audio? I tried star wars episode 2 and the sound isn't cut of after 5 minutes.

Regards,

Gerd

int 21h

15th February 2003, 20:12

Originally posted by tmac
Used this today for Big Brother 1. No restrictions on audio. However the finished DVD is only 3.8 gig. I set it to discard all languages except English, and no subtitles. But this cannot explain the undersized DVD. Anyone else noticed this?

Try selecting your settings as 'Custom Resize'(In the main Source->Destination Window, hit the 'Details' button in the lower left), and then disgard your extra languages through the prompt that comes up in the beginning of the process, after discarding them, readjust the main video's quality slider to obtain a size that will fill the DVD.

atreides93

15th February 2003, 20:12

Yeah, encoding stuff with a P3 600 mhz processor is going to be slow and painful. heck, my old Athlon 1.4 was kinda slow...so i upgraded toa 2100XP and its tolerable now.
can't wait to get a 3000Xp someday
heh

mrbass

15th February 2003, 20:41

Originally posted by MrWGT
QUESTION: Does anybody "recognize" the 5 minute limit of audio? I tried star wars episode 2 and the sound isn't cut of after 5 minutes.

AC3 in the demo is untouched if transcoding DVD to DVD. 5 min limitation only applies to authoring VCD or SVCD.

raptor79

15th February 2003, 20:46

just wanted to add that it works great, had a problem with "sphere" pal r2, I only choosed swedish subs (cuz im a swede) and subtitles where missing after completion (didn't show up on standalone or computer even though it says it's swedish subs on.....any thoughts on this
the vobs on main movie is 2 pgc's and vob files are ireggular
eg. vts01-1,2 are 1gb each, 3 is 500mb, and 4-7 is normal size also
subs split over 3 different vob id's

i will choose to have all subs in the future just as a precaution

SlaRty

15th February 2003, 20:55

Mmmm got an odd one... Before I start, I love this program, if for nothing else than for backing up my copies of TV seies DVD's. Before I had to rip out each episode and reduce it with cce and then chuck them all in to Maestro and burn...lenghty process . But this little gem does the whole lot in one go :)
But I have just noticed that with the two DVD's that I tested it on there are faults.
Firstly I copied my copy of Red Dwarf Season 1 disc 1, all seemed to go well it got all the menus and everything, even copied the easter egg across (I saw it transcoding at the end of the process). But when I try to access the easter egg (a cartoon dialog with the producer and director) it bombs out and just hangs at the entry screen.
Secondly I tried C.S.I and it worked, again lovely but for the warning screen at the beginning. I just freezes there and goes no further, my DVD players display comes up with the error for a dodgy disk E:130 (player: Sony 735, disc: Datasafe DVD-RW, no problems with these disc's before) But if I eject and play again, just after the warning un pauses I press stop followed by play it goes past the warning screen. I didn't get that problem with Red dwarf because I removed P-UP's before copying and just skip straight passed it.

tmac

15th February 2003, 21:17

Originally posted by int 21h
Try selecting your settings as 'Custom Resize'(In the main Source->Destination Window, hit the 'Details' button in the lower left), and then disgard your extra languages through the prompt that comes up in the beginning of the process, after discarding them, readjust the main video's quality slider to obtain a size that will fill the DVD.

Did it again discarding nothing, but final size is still only 3.8 gig from an original of 6.8

[Hawkeye]

15th February 2003, 22:05

Does it only make the .pdi files?? Or does anyone know how to fix it into .img format (Prassi) :confused:

Best Regards

[Hawkeye]

DVD Maniac

15th February 2003, 22:06

First use of the demo has not exactly been amazing. Tbe instructions supplied are poor...

Tried to process Usual Suspects which DVD2One fails when keeping multiple Audio tracks (processed files too big). I had the files on my hard drive and wanted to create a VIDEO_TS folder before burning. Appears that the tool will only create a set of image files with file extension ".pdi" - no VIDEO_TS folder for me to check all is well before burning. I cannot even mount these image files with Daemon Tools. Maybe its early days but as I said, instructions are limited. I am going to try a direct burn to a DVD+RW next.

Also - looks like you cannnot ditch unwanted title sets. So if you have an orginal loaded with some extras that are not worth keeping (as is usual) you are restricted to keeping them and reducing the quality of the stuff you want to keep. If the new version of DVD2One supports user defined bit rate and multi PGC processing then it wins hands down.

Not impressed....yet..

MackemX

15th February 2003, 22:12

Dre

15th February 2003, 22:13

Originally posted by DVD Maniac
First use of the demo has not exactly been amazing. Tbe instructions supplied are poor...

Tried to process Usual Suspects which DVD2One fails when keeping multiple Audio tracks (processed files too big). I had the files on my hard drive and wanted to create a VIDEO_TS folder before burning. Appears that the tool will only create a set of image files with file extension ".pdi" - no VIDEO_TS folder for me to check all is well before burning. I cannot even mount these image files with Daemon Tools. Maybe its early days but as I said, instructions are limited. I am going to try a direct burn to a DVD+RW next.

Also - looks like you cannnot ditch unwanted title sets. So if you have an orginal loaded with some extras that are not worth keeping (as is usual) you are restricted to keeping them and reducing the quality of the stuff you want to keep. If the new version of DVD2One supports user defined bit rate and multi PGC processing then it wins hands down.

Not impressed....yet..

Instantcopy let's you specify how much compression you want to use on each titleset, right? Have you tried using the maximum on the title sets you don't want? Maybe you could get them down to like 100MB or something?

int 21h

15th February 2003, 22:35

Originally posted by DVD Maniac
Also - looks like you cannnot ditch unwanted title sets. So if you have an orginal loaded with some extras that are not worth keeping (as is usual) you are restricted to keeping them and reducing the quality of the stuff you want to keep. If the new version of DVD2One supports user defined bit rate and multi PGC processing then it wins hands down.

You can easily select which titles you do not want to have on the final dvd, and you can even preview the titles for help in choosing which ones to disgard...

Maybe this is a limitation of the demo? Anyways I guess there is a registry key change in another thread that will enable you to de-select titles in the demo version.

Jafco

15th February 2003, 22:50

I tested this with the Mummy Returns R1 NTSC, and all works exactly as intended. For those that may not know, there are a lot of PGC's on that disc, including special effects sequences, etc., that jump into the main movie and then back out, etc.

Suffices to say that everything navigated as intended; I stripped out the unwanted French audio track, and then set the extras to 40% of original, so that the movie could be as high quality as possible. For those that may be interested, 40% was too low. :0 There was massive blockiness, etc. with those reencoded extras. However, the main movie looked GREAT. Not quite CCE, but far far better than what DVD2ONE was able to do, and with less space to boot.

I particularly like that it recompresses the menus as well.

On my next effort, I'm going to remove those VOB-ID's that I don't want, such as unwanted trailers, etc., so that I can have my cake and eat it too.

I also like that it had no trouble recognizing the Ritek G03 discs as 2x in my Sony burner (DRU-500A). It will also burn as soon as it's done processing -- thus, you can set it up before you leave the house and you'll have all steps complete for you when you get back.

I can't wait for upcoming versions which I believe need the following improvements:

1) Won't let you set anything bigger than 4.31 or 4.32 GB, instead of 4.37.
2) Doesn't even use all of what's available to it.... I've heard that sometimes it goes as low as 3.9 GB (i.e., needless overcompression). Mummy Returns went down to 4.26 GB, not too bad.
3) Movie only option, no menus, etc., because that would allow the most room for bitrate. Longer to recompress than DVD2ONE, but with higher quality.

I'm mirroring the demo on Kazaa now, fwiw.