Dvd2one [Archive] - Doom9's Forum

Kenwood

24th January 2003, 20:26

Ok some more info about DVD2One.
Have ripped Stargate (PAL) in file mode to disk and selected in the file options to retain angle 1 when multiangle with DVD Decrypter.
Went ok until the 30 min limit was reached.
Started up PowerDVD 4.0 and wached te result.
At some pionts the movie 'jumps' a little bit forward (lets say some frames) and I think this happens because the movie contains several Seamless Branching pionts.
Have seen this before with other movies to (Hoodlum).
When I resize the movie with ReMpeg or TMPGEnc there is no problem !
Runs fine and no small 'jumps' forward.
Did anybody else run into this problem ?
Best greetz to all,

Kenwood

Jayce

24th January 2003, 20:37

Sounds like a timing problem too me, maybe you should let dvd2one handle the angle part.

My T2 Ultimate Edition also has several seamless branches, and was one of the first movies i tested DVD2one with.

It skipped frames when i let dvd decryptor do the angle retaining, but when i let DVD2one do the angle retaining it worked perfectly.

I guess either dvd decryptor does something different or DVD2one uses some other way to lock on the angles.

harcan

24th January 2003, 21:11

does anybody know so that this prog ain't some kind of fake?.....
i mean,that it just simply don't copy the original vob,
to make the 30 min trial look good....
in that case....i don't get surprised over the quality that it makes....
ps.pardon my english.... =)

24th January 2003, 21:36

No, it really transcodes. Also, DVD2One is writty by the guy that wrote Remote Selector, so I'm sure it's not a fake.

harcan

24th January 2003, 22:15

it seems very promising....=)
smoooth playback on comp. powerdvd....

i have tried to make "dvd back ups" with ifoedit/rempeg without sucess...
works fine on all other standalone players but mine..=(
on my machine the movie is jerky with fixed intervals...that includes
even when i look through powerdvd....very strange..
can anyone tell me whats wrong?..how come
the backups work flawless on my friends standalone players?.....

Kenwood

25th January 2003, 00:07

Got answer from the author.
Just decrypt the whole DVD WHITOUT the multiangle processing in file mode.
DVD2One will do the angle & seamless stuff for you.
Haven't tried it yet -> tomorrow is another day.
Greetz,

Kenwood

donkeymusic

25th January 2003, 01:26

i am still having no luck using it buthave tried using dvd2dvdr any one any opinions on this, thanks

harcan

25th January 2003, 15:02

....i couldn't wait for more opinions... so i bought the prog....=)
and for the first back-up i made....i'm very pleased...=)
x-ellent speed...LOTR extended cd1..incl. 5.1 & Dts + sublang.(1hour on a laptop 1Ghz/256ram)
and the quality is good as far as i can see (32" philips....=)
..more tests will follow.....

Goldfinger_007

25th January 2003, 19:51

Originally posted by harcan
does anybody know so that this prog ain't some kind of fake?.....
i mean,that it just simply don't copy the original vob,
to make the 30 min trial look good....
in that case....i don't get surprised over the quality that it makes....
ps.pardon my english.... =)

have a go at working out big the original vob files would be if you took a 30 minute chunk, then compare

just used the trial and got a filesize of 1.07Gb (original would have been 1.27Gb - nothing stripped)

Arianos

26th January 2003, 00:27

Tested it, bought it. Did Jerry McGuire, PAL.
The IFO-VOBS were ripped by DVD2SVCDs internal routines. Total size 6.93 GB (7,441,928,192 bytes)
Took it 29 minutes to produce the final files (4.37 GB (4,694,175,744 bytes))I only stripped 1 audio and about 6 subtitles off. Watching it now, about 20 minutes into it, no problems so far.
Way to go Edwin!!!

toolman2k

26th January 2003, 00:49

hi all,

i dont know why u are all so screaming about this tool.sure it is amazingly fast and easy.i love it for that....but the quality is far from good.

before u all start shouting about how good it looks and its "perfect" and stuff like that....compare it to the original and and CCE encoded version....there is MUCH difference.

I tried T2 and the CCE version looked way better than the dvd2one version.the dvd2one has alot of blockiness in it, while the CCE version is almost as good as original and has almost no artifacts.

so i hope that the guy makes the encoding better.cause trust me, you all are so happy on your small tv's ....but when u beam your movies like i do....you will see LOTS of artifacts.

i have to note that i read stuff about movies of 2+ hours are looking lots worser than shorter ones.T2 that i testes is like 2,5 hours....so maybe thats the issue, but still with CCE i can get great image quality always, even with movies of 2+ hours.

i will do some more testing with other (shorter) movies and post my results.

Arianos

26th January 2003, 01:04

....as I was saying, Jerry McGuire is 2hrs 5 mins long, and I'm watching it on my 32" wide Sony, AND on my 3M projector (3ft wide screen), and it still looks good.
Maybe longer films suffer, but my test Jerry has "...shown me the money!!!"

I shall still use conventional ways to do my ST:TNGs, my Stagate SG1s and my fancy menus DVDs, but for regular "everyday" movies, I'm OK (I think...)

Taxidermista

26th January 2003, 05:35

Here you are. A little difficult test with DVD2ONE. Click to see full bmp frames:

Original (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_original.bmp)
CCE 2.66@VBR 2 pass@3326 kbps (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_cce.bmp)
DVD2ONE@3208 kbps (BitrateViewer) (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_dvd2one.bmp)

erzug

26th January 2003, 05:45

After testing the trial, I purchased the retail version last night. Ripped both Collateral Damage and Aliens (own) to my harddisk with DVDDecrypter (one ifo and vobs). Both movies only took about 16 to 17 minutes each and the quality surprised me. The resulting BUP, IFO, and VOB files for each movie were 4.36 GB (.01 under the limit for burning onto one DVD). The menu gave me the option of using eithe the 6 channel or 2 channel audio. I chose the 2 channel with Aliens since it is a longer movie and did not want to sacrifice video quality for the enhanced audio.
One thing I did notice, which I have since informed the author, is that when I encoded Collateral Damage with the source being one large VOB file, the results were poor (jerky video & audio) after the 25 minute mark (possibly the natural split between the original VOB files?). This is not really a problem since most rippers, unless overriden, copy the VOB files in their native 1GB state on the source DVD.
I am happy I bought the product.

REECYCUP

26th January 2003, 05:46

wow!
hate to say it but cce looked better than the orig.
dvd2one very blocky
plus it seems to take the sharpness out
(you can tell im not a video guru:))

erzug

26th January 2003, 05:50

It kind of irks me that someone would compare a $44.00 piece of software to one that runs around $2,000 (if actually purchased and not cracked, that is).

Taxidermista

26th January 2003, 05:57

Sorry...

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Update

Here you are. A little difficult test with DVD2ONE. Click to see full bmp frames:

Original (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_original.bmp)
a $2000 encoding with CCE 2.66@VBR 2 pass@3326 kbps (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_cce.bmp)
a $44 encoding with DVD2ONE@3208 kbps (BitrateViewer) (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_dvd2one.bmp)

REECYCUP

26th January 2003, 05:57

your right!
my backups are mainly for my kids (dont want to ruin original)
so they probably wouldnt notice
tempg is free i wonder how it would fare?:rolleyes:

toolman2k

26th January 2003, 10:20

thanks taxidermista for the comparison. now i wont have to do so anymore :)

but this clearly shows how much the difference is with CCE. im sorry but to me it is unacceptable......and u cant expect me to ditch the 5.1 for a stereo track to keep my video watchable, come on now.

sure its cheap and superb for speed, usability and quality/speed ...but.... i rather spend $100 on it and have better video quality. i mean seriously, i am used to CCE quality, and i dont expect the same quality, that would be unfair, but i do hope it will come alot closer to it.

i mean, he also wants to make options like to keep the menu and extra's.....well thats great but then the video will suffer even more!

so i think he needs to focus on video encoding first, then the rest.....only then it will be (and become) a serious tool for people who want to watch a movie without being irritated by huge macroblocks everywhere and blurry images.

conlusion: superfast,supersmall and supereasy, but too blocky so far.

Arianos

26th January 2003, 11:47

Umm, just my thoughts:
I know I'm getting old and perhaps Alzheimer's has kicked in, but wasn't Private Ryan the subject of endless threads as to why there were huge problems in encoding it? And now we take it as a "typical" example for testing? My, we have grown spoiled...
Anyways, I accept the comparison bmps as the extreme that dvd2one can reach, and to tell you the truth, for first public release, I'm more than happy to have contributed to it's future development.
I wish I was THAT happy when I first encountered (and paid) Windows 3.1

Ok, so DVD2ONE IS blocky, and (of course...) unacceptable for Purists*, or for archiving of high action or long movies, for now.
I am growing quite comfortable with CCE and Maestro day by day, so, for me, no problem there. But for everyday jobs, like fast backing up those ridiculously expensive, "Collector's Items" and a bitch to navigate &*^$&*%^# Disney DVDs or the Nutcracker Barbie, I think it's WAY more than OK and well worth the time I'll save!!.

MrWGT

26th January 2003, 11:49

Hi...
but this clearly shows how much the difference is with CCE. im sorry but to me it is unacceptable......and u cant expect me to ditch the 5.1 for a stereo track to keep my video watchable, come on now.
If you want the best quality you've to pay for it - either time (cce) or money (buy dvd). And if you really want quality => buy the original dvd and do not use cce.

But for most of us the quality is good enough. You must consider that a normal tv set is not as sharp as your computer monitor. So most of the "unsharpness" or "blockyness" can't be seen (normal viewing distance).

Gerd

Kenwood

26th January 2003, 11:52

Hello to all,

Just did a rip with DVD2One from Reign Of Fire.
Well what can I say......
To me de video was ok and also the audio and subs.
Liked the result and compared it with the original.
Maybe I'am not critical enough, but I was very pleased with the result.
And even if the video quality is a little bit less,I don't care (but some members do) al long as it will fit on a single DVD-R, I don't care.
Saves me a lot of transcoding time and the program has a very easy to use interface.
And don't forget, without the resize I had to split the movie to 2 DVDR's, but it saves me the cost of one at this moment.
Let's say, 19 movies this way and the cost are out for registration have payed back and I start to 'earn' money.
And maybe, with future updates of the program, it might be possible that also the quality becomes better !
Who knows....
Just my thought, and give you all my best,

Kenwood

ux-3

26th January 2003, 13:04

Originally posted by erzug
It kind of irks me that someone would compare a $44.00 piece of software to one that runs around $2,000 (if actually purchased and not cracked, that is).

Just for the record: Taxidermista did NOT compare the pictures in this Forum. He just posted them. You probably looked at them, COMPARED them and didn't like the obvious disadvantage of DVD2one. You shouldn't really blame him for the negative results of YOUR comparison...:sly:

PS: I am not shouting, just emphasising...

ux-3

26th January 2003, 13:29

Well, a few things are unparalleled, they deserve mention first:

1. Speed... Until now, this was the most time consuming step. Now its is the quick interim action. No matter what you think about the picture quality, but the ratio of "quality vs. time" is unbeaten even in the 2 GHz League. People paddling in the 500 MHz range can actually get a DVD burner instead of a new computer and have a lift-off. I myself see more wisdom in having a 4x burner too, just to keep proportions...

2. Ease of use... Simplicity Strikes! No need to argue this one...

3. Innovation... the thing fits onto a c64 floppy disk, not even 100k. Evidently, there is a lot of work that can be saved with that small a code. Since it works one pass, it probably just computes the percentage of reduction and applies this to each frame. Possibly it weights the I,B,P frames differently, but this must be preset.

4. Now I tested it with daily chores. I let it munch on the second CD of LOTR EE, and took a look at the initial scenes at the gravestone/statue in rivendell. When Aragorn touches the statue there is some fog drifting under his arm. Changes do become apparent in a very differnt way than in an cce encoding. The Fog doesn't drift so much as that it changes pattern. Sort of a "life" game in the old computer days...

5. I then created a 3:12 hour set of LOTR EE and let loose dvd2one on the first 30 minutes. The most striking observation is the variation in quality. Some scenes are still acceptable. However, the camera pan along the river anduin and the misty mountains shows a heavy shifting effect, hard to describe. Perhaps the many motion vectors make pans hard to reduce?

6. I'll edit in here my findings of a similar cce encoding in a few hours (See point one...)

toolman2k

26th January 2003, 13:30

come on people.....all that are saying it looks "ok"....please compare it with CCE and then give your opinion.why would you settle for "ok" when u can have 10 times better quality otherwise? sure it takes 10 times the time, but hey quality is priority one, or did everyone just trade that in for speed?

the tool needs to be improved in terms of quality, like giving the option to choose LOW - for people who want to encode disney for theier kids, or HIGH - for people who like to have decent videoquality.

only then it will be a universal tool for EVERYONE, and not just some people who dont care much about quality or how it looks on their childres tv's. just my opinion.

Doom9

26th January 2003, 14:39

toolman: universal means "does anything" and without allowing full backups I doubt you can ever call this universal. And then there's people wanting to remove certain features, or replace them.. universal is the holy grail which is, as Indy showed us, really hard to obtain.

dvd2one seems an interesting option for people who value speed and simplicity over quality. I'm in contact with the author and if you want to hear it with his own words: Pro's of my program:
- fast
- cheap

Pro's of cce:
- better quality.

Imho dvd2one allows for one more category of DVD backups: movie-only speed over quality. Ain't nothing wrong with people who fall into this category but it's also of no use to try and convert people from other categories to yours, or the other way round. The movie only quality over speed category will eventually have their own simple tool which doesn't take them more than a few clicks...

toolman2k

26th January 2003, 14:47

Originally posted by Doom9
The movie only quality over speed category will eventually have their own simple tool which doesn't take them more than a few clicks...

if the guy just makes it so you can choose your priority, speed or quality then the prog is usuable for both groups of people.its as simple as that.if he doesnt then he will bypass a huge group of people looking for simplity,speed AND quality....instead of simplicity,speed and "if youre lucky-if your movie isnt too long" quality.

i mean now, all it does is copy the movie itself.....and people are saying its "ok"...but what if later he adds options too keep menu and/or extras ? then the quality will surely drop below acceptable standards, even for people who copy their dineys for the kids, i think. so i think he needs to improve it anyway, whether he makes it for the "speed freaks" or the "quality freaks", like me.

thats all im saying. the tool itself is great, no doubt about it.im willing to pay like $200 even (or buy the prog and donate $150) if only the quality would be more near CCE.

Antonio S.

26th January 2003, 15:05

Remember my friends, this is the FIRST version of this program !!! I am sure there will be more improvements and better quality when transcoding in future editions...

Antonio S.

mb1

26th January 2003, 15:21

Made a small quality check and wrote my findings down (http://www.dvd-svcd-hilfe.de/forum/mb1/dvd2one/dvd2one.htm) - but it is only in german language. Sorry.

toolman2k

26th January 2003, 16:19

Originally posted by mb1
Made a small quality check and wrote my findings down (http://www.dvd-svcd-hilfe.de/forum/mb1/dvd2one/dvd2one.htm) - but it is only in german language. Sorry.

thanks alot.this is very good stuff.

XHusker

26th January 2003, 21:53

First of all, I think this program falls in its own category in between making 2 discs, and having a DVD-5 source. The results obviously won't be that of a $2000 program. Most of these movies that people are compressing to fit one disc are huge in length. LOTR, Minority Report, and some of these others look horrible to me when transcoded at lower bitrates. If I wanted VCD quality, I'd stick to CD's! :) Some people are also keeping all the original features with them, I usually don't bother.
I usually aim for a movie-only dvd backup with original quality. There are many movies that just go over the size of the dvd with eliminating all subtitles, other audio tracks, and even credits. This program is invaluable for that scenario. The compression amount is barely seen. Not to mention at a substantial speed increase vs the other methods. I don't have patience for an all day encoding.
On movies that are huge in length, I much rather have a 2 disc movie backup that is original quality than trying to squeeze a huge movie down to 1 disc WITH menus and everything else. Touchy subject there, some people are for 2 discs with original quality while others say 'why bother'.
I don't mind pushing the disc button on my remote to switch to the second dvd. :) As I've been told, kids work great for that feature without having to get up out of the chair!

I will continue to test this product before I buy it.. but so far its on target to be a good addition to my overwhelming arsenal of dvd software.

~X~

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ux-3

26th January 2003, 22:48

Maybe this is important: mb1 reported that one of the matrices used by dvd2one was (accidentally) inverted, so the quality of the macroblock bitrate reduction is perhaps not as good as it could be, once the matrix is structured properly...
I would support that assumption becase some disturbing effects can be observed in cases where the rate reduction is only a few percent. One would not expect to find any obvious differences with this little a change. They do appear in form of pulsating patterns, usually in dark areas when objects drift or the camera pans. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a consequence of that error. Which would spell a lot of potential for improvement.

Jayce

26th January 2003, 22:48

I still think that comparing a $2000 encoder with a $40 compressor isn't really fair. They both work totaly different.

A lot of people are some what spoiled by quality and i can't blame them. But if you needed to buy the tools legally you would use to do a CCE recompression your wallet would be rather empty very quick
It's not only CCE, it's also scenarist / meastro and those aren't really thing found in your local bargainbin either.

But also please keep in mind that what goes in bad, comes out bad. Neither CCE or DVD2one can make a lousy disc suddenly shine!
And try looking at the encoded picture on a real television instead of photoshops lookinglass.

I know that when i'am really watching a movie, i won't notice little artifacts or lack of detail.

Mars-L

27th January 2003, 00:51

How come the quality isn't the same as the original ? If it just copies (and takes out the unwanted stuff) wouldn't it be exactly the same video quality ?

ux-3

27th January 2003, 01:49

It isn't! Don't you read a thread before you post?

THEMASTERFUL1

27th January 2003, 04:24

I have purchased this program, and I think is great ! The price is fantastic, and in just a few clicks you have your movie on 1 dvd-r, now the same can't be said for the other options such as cce, also have the purist that are whinning so much actualy paid the $2000 for cce, I didn't think so. I mean come on now, its jut $40 and its very easy to use.Its not fair to compare it to cce they both do the video differently and and one cost fifty times as much as the other! I had to hang out here for months to figure out how to do dvd with cce and the other progs this one is a no brainer and I'm sure its going to become a favorite ! So it you like it support it and if you like cce spend $2000 and support it !

BlueCup

27th January 2003, 06:18

Personally I wouldn't use this on any movie over 7 gigs. Even that is kinda pushing it. 4+ to about 7 would be my limit. Seriously, fitting one movie that is 2hrs+ onto one DVD-R is very tough to get reasonable quality. For what this does, it's pretty good (on a reasonable movie nothing like SPR or LOTR).

Of course...quality is in the eye of the beholder. So please do not argue this opinion.

kwag

27th January 2003, 06:57

This is a post I replied to earlier today at vcdhelp.com:

I have some suggestions for all of you. Do your own encodes and tests, and don't rely on other people results.
Previous screenshots were probably made taking the average bit rate produced from small tests. Do a complete encode of a movie and then compare. Here's my contribution on my own test after encoding the complete "The Green Mile" with DVD2ONE including full AC3 audio, subtitles, all chapters and Closed Captions:

This is the original frame from the original ripped VOB:
http://www.kvcd.net/original.PNG

And this is the same frame from the VOB made by DVD2ONE:
http://www.kvcd.net/dvd2one.PNG

Yes, you'll see some macro blocks in this scene, because it's a fast action scene. But on the original, it's blurred too. Do you guys watch a movie in slow motion or pause ??? I don't! So for practical purposes, the movie looks identical during playback. Even on a HDTV.

-kwag

herbapou

27th January 2003, 07:05

I own the program and I think it rocks.

You wont really notice video degradation for movies below 5.3 gigs (not counting the unwanted audio and subs). This is even for very quality sensitive people (like me). In those cases, DVD2one is a far better choice than re-encoding, because you wont be able to see any difference.

Now if you use this with movies that have more than 1 gig over 4.3, you will get better results with a real re-encoder. But quality is still very good up until 6.3 gigs. After that, make sure you carefully examine the output for quality and make the decision if using a re-encoder process is worth it.

The "Saving Private Ryan" example does not represent at all what can be expected from this product if use properly.

BTW,I have used it with NTSC, region 1 DVD's.

MaXiMuS

27th January 2003, 07:17

i think DVD2ONE is great program, but maybe author can add setting to use external encoder (cce/tmpg)...

just my .02 cents :D

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toolman2k

27th January 2003, 08:15

Originally posted by herbapou
But quality is still very good up until 6.3 gigs. After that, make sure you carefully examine the output for quality and make the decision if using a re-encoder process is worth it.

well i dont think so.....and i think u shouldnt have to check the quality, like with CCE u know it will be ok anyway, since it cant get no better.

The "Saving Private Ryan" example does not represent at all what can be expected from this product if use properly.

really? well the example speaks for itself.the prog should be able to do this properly too, otherwise you always have to check what kind of movie etc etc your doing and then still youre not sure of the endresult.this takes away the user friendlyness....the prog should work, and it should work ALWAYS, with any disc, especially if your consider more options will be added later that will leave even less space for video! then surely quality will drop too much, even for people who now think it all "rocks" and looks "same as original"....

so i think there should be an option to choose speed or quality......then everybody is satisfied.

27th January 2003, 08:29

Sup man, question for you. If you are in contact with the author, then can you relay this to him? I bet a TON of people would buy his program (myself included) if it supported an option to rejoin a mpv that we created in CCE instead of using his internal encoder/transcoder. $44, phew, if he implimented this then I would overnight the dude a check. Anyone else think this would be an option to make them also purchase the program?

LB

Jayce

27th January 2003, 08:56

Originally posted by MaXiMuS
[B]i think DVD2ONE is great program, but maybe author can add setting to use external encoder (cce/tmpg)...

just my .02 cents :D

I can asure you that, that probally never happen. The encoder is the keyfeature of this product.

toolman2k

27th January 2003, 09:51

Originally posted by Jayce
I can asure you that, that probally never happen. The encoder is the keyfeature of this product.

it would be great......unless the videoquality will be improved to come closer to (not exact) CCE quality. but i dont think using an external encoder will happen....since then the speed advantage will be gone, not to mention all the problems you can get with different encoders etc etc bla bla....and then the muxing part also takes time.....

so i doubt it.i just hope the videoquality will be much improved.....maybe standard or by option (vbr etc) only then I will be buying it, hell i will donate $150 extra if that happens!

Jayce

27th January 2003, 10:05

Originally posted by toolman2k
it would be great......unless the videoquality will be improved to come closer to (not exact) CCE quality. but i dont think using an external encoder will happen....since then the speed advantage will be gone, not to mention all the problems you can get with different encoders etc etc bla bla....and then the muxing part also takes time.....

so i doubt it.i just hope the videoquality will be much improved.....maybe standard or by option (vbr etc) only then I will be buying it, hell i will donate $150 extra if that happens!

:confused: you most likely still don't get it, DVD2one does things different than encoders like CCE. It's a compressor not an encoder!
That is a big difference!

So i guess you can save that $150, cause what you suggest is in my humble opinion IMPOSSIBLE with DVD2one cause it uses a totaly different aprouch then a true mpeg2 encoder. It must use that, where else is it suppose to get the speed?

But you're still welcome to donate it, i guess Erwin won't mind the exta donation ;)

Doom9

27th January 2003, 10:57

an option to rejoin a mpv that we created in CCE instead of using his internal encoder/transcoder.I don't see that happening. You know, we have the same problem as with IfoEdit.. the current transcoder keeps the GOP structure, CCE doesn't meaning CCE remux requires full DVD authoring capabilities and IfoEdit got stuck right in the middle of having that fully implemented. So, if I were a betting man I'd bet my money on the features listed on the dvd2one homepage being implemented, and no remux.
People hoping for a remux tool should try and convince Derrow to leave 321studios and come back to work in IfoEdit... that's your best shot, honestly. Remux means authoring, and dvd2one isn't a reauthoring tool, it can strip and it includes a built-in transcoder. And I just quickly browsed on mb1's article but it seems as if there are quality improvements possible..

toolman2k

27th January 2003, 10:57

Originally posted by Jayce
:confused: you most likely still don't get it, DVD2one does things different than encoders like CCE. It's a compressor not an encoder!
That is a big difference!

So i guess you can save that $150, cause what you suggest is in my humble opinion IMPOSSIBLE with DVD2one cause it uses a totaly different aprouch then a true mpeg2 encoder. It must use that, where else is it suppose to get the speed?

But you're still welcome to donate it, i guess Erwin won't mind the exta donation ;)

i do get it.since when is an encoder different from a compressor? encoding is compression i think.anyway, whatever term used....i dont care much. the quality should be better, no matter what technology is used.im sure he'll be able to do so, after all this is only the first version.

Jayce

27th January 2003, 11:02

A encoder does everything (makes an entire new structure with i,b,p frames etc), a compressor only compresses excisting data (like PKZIP does)
So a compressor is depended on the original encoding, while a encoder makes a entire new structure!.

That's the difference, you see it's more then just a name ;)

Mentar

27th January 2003, 11:17

One little question to those already owning the product: Is it possible to intentinally "size down" the target to 4GB? I have a couple of low-quality media whch work just fine until around 4-4.1GB, and then throw artifacts like hell. That's why I use them on "less important" encodes and size them down.

Would that be possible here? (Technically I see no reason why it shouldn't, but it's better to ask first)

IdentDee

27th January 2003, 11:19

Originally posted by toolman2k
i do get it.since when is an encoder different from a compressor? encoding is compression i think.anyway, whatever term used....i dont care much. the quality should be better, no matter what technology is used.im sure he'll be able to do so, after all this is only the first version.

DVD2one does no time consumpting motion estimation at all. It decodes the mpeg-2 videostream to the makroblock level and quantizises the makroblocks a bit rougher resulting in a lower bitrate. So you could say its only a compressor, because it only performs the compression part of an mpeg2-encoder.

Jayce

27th January 2003, 11:23

Originally posted by Mentar
One little question to those already owning the product: Is it possible to intentinally "size down" the target to 4GB? I have a couple of low-quality media whch work just fine until around 4-4.1GB, and then throw artifacts like hell. That's why I use them on "less important" encodes and size them down.

Would that be possible here? (Technically I see no reason why it shouldn't, but it's better to ask first)

As i understood from the maker that is the most asked new feature.
You can manually give a destination size. So i think you can expect such a feature in the future.

waldok

27th January 2003, 11:29

Hi,

Back from bed (sick for 3 days, damn it), What a surprise to discover this little proggie that was born in the meantime !
Sure looks interesting and promising for quick backups.
As usual, there are the "likers" and the "dislikers", but I think each one of us has to try it and see if it simply fits our needs. I can't wait to try the 30minutes demo tonight and see if it can be used on a regular basis for "quick DVD+RW works" like movies for the kids.

I saw the "Saving Private Ryan" pictures posted here and well, still images don't speak that much to me. As someone said before, you don't watch your movies frame by frame so...one has to compare this on a short sequence rather than still pictures.
Plus, this is the first version of the software, so there is room for improvements in quality (still have to remember some German from school before I read the usually extremely accurate MB1's comments).

So no point saying "quality is not good enough" or "quality is good enough" when it's totally subjective. And I also think there's no point waiting for this proggie to become a "low-priced CCE" since it is obviously not its goal (and it's not a "CCE remuxer" either I'm afraid...)

As usual, always feel good when a new piece of software comes to town, makes things progress a bit. I'll post my "post-testing" feelings (hoping I won't bother too much like with this meaningless long post ;)

Waldok:cool:

jamieo

27th January 2003, 12:05

I would be interested in seeing a comparason between this an rempeg since that would be a fair test. Take into consideration the extra speed and ease of use benefits then you have to admit this is a great product!

Have to say I haven't tried it yet but I will...

Also, it's such a shame that the program gets slated for it's low quality - if you always use cce and demand that quality then this tool was never intended for you.

Jamie

mobius80

27th January 2003, 12:06

i got this program also, full version, ripped "in the bedroom" and "shrek" with vstrip or dvddecrypter.

i encoded each movie with this program in about 20minutes, i burnt using nero on my pioneer a04 on a generic dvd-r at 1x and 2x works 100%. no skips, errors, etc... good sound also.

hope more people get this

Kenwood

27th January 2003, 12:40

So I was wondering how the program would handle Star Wars 2: Attack Of The Clones.
Just did a simple Decrypt in File Mode (Multi Angle Processing OFF) and started up DVD2One.
Selected 6 Ch Surround, Dutch Subs and Angle 1 and let it do it's job.
Watched the result from HD with Prower DVD XP 4.0 and no French stuff etc etc and looks ok.
At this moment I'am writing the movie to a -RW and will wacht it on my Sony DVP-NS705V.
Will let you all know how it was !

Kenwood

jamieo

27th January 2003, 12:57

Ok, I just ripped a film to hdd selecting only to rip one video and one audio stream. This resulted in the film being 4.75GB which I reckon is about 400MB over. Not a lot to shrink but enough...

I used the demo and let it run for just 30secs - in that time it had reencoded 4.30mins of video that, if I had let it finish, would be ready for writing to dvd-r. That's an encoding rate of 9x compared to cce's 1.25 - 1.45x with no need to use dvd2avi, frameserving, or to author/multiplex before burning. So far so good.

What is the video quality like? One word: Stunning!

I had to check that I was watching the correct vob file because it was indistinguishable from the source (pal widescreen non-anamorphic) including long panning sections. Ok, if the source was bigger then results wouldn't be as good but as far as I can see in my short test there would be little, if any, advantage to using cce for this particular dvd.

Jamie

wangofree

27th January 2003, 13:23

I've read all comments, and tried the trial version of dvd2one...and it does look impressive.

Being a super newbie, I'm wondering if I'm missing a step in the burn process.

After processing the trial version 30', I'm left with an ifo and a large vob and a small one. The vob plays great with power dvd on the comp, but do I need to further author the ifo & vob files to create a burnable image?

When I try to "load" the VIDEO_TS files, the only thing recognized is the small 6kb ifo file, with no vob files attached.

This program looks promising, but I've got to get the trial version to work before considering purchase.

Alas, I'm on a PIII/667 512mg ram using W98.

Thanks boys and girls.

Kenwood

27th January 2003, 13:25

Ok here a update on the Star Wars 2: Attack Of The Clones resize.
Have watched now for 45 mins. and it really looks great.
But than again, I'am not watching in slow motion with a magnifying glass in front of my tv (lol).
No problems at all, just plays fine and I'am really pleased with the quality.
To all members who also have to full version of DVD2One I would say: try this movie for yourself and you will be suprised.
Give everybody my best regards and greetz,

Kenwood

Jayce

27th January 2003, 14:37

Originally posted by wangofree
I've read all comments, and tried the trial version of dvd2one...and it does look impressive.

Being a super newbie, I'm wondering if I'm missing a step in the burn process.

After processing the trial version 30', I'm left with an ifo and a large vob and a small one. The vob plays great with power dvd on the comp, but do I need to further author the ifo & vob files to create a burnable image?

When I try to "load" the VIDEO_TS files, the only thing recognized is the small 6kb ifo file, with no vob files attached.

This program looks promising, but I've got to get the trial version to work before considering purchase.

Alas, I'm on a PIII/667 512mg ram using W98.

Thanks boys and girls.

The trial version only encodes 30 minutes of video, the result of that encoding must be placed in a VIDEO_TS directory on your system.
So you can use powerdvd, windvd or whatever to watch the result.
(remember do not play in FILE MODE, but in DVD from HARDDISK MODE!)

That same VIDEO_TS can be burned to a real dvd+/-RW to test in your standalone player(s).

Currently i'am working on a somewhat expanded version of a guide for this tool (and how to use it in combination with other tools)

wangofree

27th January 2003, 16:20

Jayce
Thanks for the information...I look forward to the guide.

I can play the dvd2one vob in powerdvd, it resides on my C drive in something like:

C:dvd\rip\test\TS_VIDEO and in TS_VIDEO folder is the ifo and vob that dvd2one has dealt with.....am I missing something because it just doesn't seem like the ifo and vob file is "connected" enough to burn.

Am I making sense :confused: ??

Perhaps I'm not sure if a "TS_VIDEO directory" is the same as having a file folder named "TS_VIDEO" with your encoded ifo and vob files from dvd2one in it.

Since I'm on w98, I'd love to have this software work for me. Is it vital to set a destination with a "TS_VIDEO"? Something like the above listing?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

toolman2k

27th January 2003, 16:28

Originally posted by wangofree
Jayce
Thanks for the information...I look forward to the guide.

I can play the dvd2one vob in powerdvd, it resides on my C drive in something like:

C:dvd\rip\test\TS_VIDEO and in TS_VIDEO folder is the ifo and vob that dvd2one has dealt with.....am I missing something because it just doesn't seem like the ifo and vob file is "connected" enough to burn.

Am I making sense :confused: ??

Perhaps I'm not sure if a "TS_VIDEO directory" is the same as having a file folder named "TS_VIDEO" with your encoded ifo and vob files from dvd2one in it.

Since I'm on w98, I'd love to have this software work for me. Is it vital to set a destination with a "TS_VIDEO"? Something like the above listing?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

try VIDEO_TS and NOT TS_VIDEO.....

Jayce

27th January 2003, 16:30

yeah but the TS_VIDEO folder should be a folder named VIDEO_TS
and in that folder all files shoud reside.

If you make a new folder on your harddrive called VIDEO_TS and select that in DVD2one as the destination folder every thing should work just fine.

valnar

27th January 2003, 16:34

I looked at the list of upcoming features in DVD2One, and it appears he will develop a means of picking the size you want, instead of forcing a full 4.37GB DVD-5. If that is the case, surely we can come up with a method of using IFOEdit/IFOUpdate to put the original menus back in place? Of course, he is working on that too, but if one feature comes before the other.....

This is sounding really great. For this newbie who struggles with the DoitFast4U/CCE/Maestro method, its a Godsend.

Robert

Kenwood

27th January 2003, 16:35

Hello Wangofree,

Here is what you do:
I write all my DVDR's with Nero !

- Decrypt the movie with DVD Decrypter in File Mode (no Angle processing).
DVD2One will doe this for you.
- Start DVD2One and select as input the directory where you decrypted to movie to.
- Select the output directory.
This dir must have the following sub-dir: VIDEO_TS
- Select Audio & Subs in next screen.
- Let DVD2One do it's job.
- Start Nero
- Select: DVD-ROM (UDF) i found out that on most players this will work (ISO/UDF sometimes not).
No Multisession/UDF1.02
I alway's select Iso Level-2 because than I can put the whole title of the movie in the label tab.
The rest in the ISO screen must be UN-TICKED, except ISO9660
- Drag the re-sized movie (in VIDEO_TS folder) to your new project and burn it to a dvdr.

Watch it and enjoy yourself !
Greetz,

Kenwood

herbapou

27th January 2003, 17:17

Until we can change the output size, there is a way to reduce it.

Select an unwanted audio tracks along with the one(s) you want to keep in DVD2one and let it work.

After that, open the output with InfoEdit and strip the unwanted audio tracks (vob extras button). After InfoEdit is done, you will get a new set of vobs that is smaller.

Not the perfect solution, but its works.

Keep in mind this for audio size: (Approx numbers)

2 channels audio = 150MB
6 channels audio = 300MB
DTS/THX audio = 500MB

Those numbers may vary greatly depending of the lenght of the movie but it gives you an idea of how much space you will get when stripping the audio.

Toolman2k said:
"your doing and then still youre not sure of the endresult.this takes away the user friendlyness....the prog should work, and it should work ALWAYS, with any disc"

Well, there is no such thing has a single solution when copying DVD`s. There is no "single recipie" magic solution. Sometimes re-encoding sucks too if the movie is so long bitrate goes below 3000kps. In those case I use DVDXcopy. All I am saying is DVD2one is worth using in some cases. And there is no such thing has User-Friendly when re-encoding, even if your using DVD2DVD-R

Toolman2k said:`
"well the example speaks for itself.the prog should be able to do this properly too, otherwise you always have to check what kind of movie etc etc your doing and then still youre not sure of the endresul"

Well I could show you screenshots of very bad video quality when re-encoding "Gone with the Wind" with CCE 3 pass VBR. The movie is to long, you just cant make it fit on a DVD-5 without loosing quality in a major way. Does that mean CCE is a piece of crap and we should not use it because it CANT re-encode ALL the movies?

REECYCUP

27th January 2003, 17:28

thats a great idea (i feel stupid)
thanks

wangofree

27th January 2003, 17:59

Kenwood, you are the MAN :D ! I'm at work, but will try this at home.

Thanks to your generosity I see light at the end of the tunnel.

Looking forward to upgrading to xp or 2k and using some of these fantastic software tools....but for now dvd2one sounds like the way to go for W98.

Kenwood

27th January 2003, 18:12

Hello Wangofree,

Just my 2 cents.
Other people on this board also helped me, so I kindly give the curtesy to you as well.
I thinks that's why this board is here.
Just let us know wether or not all is running ok at your side.
Can't wait to hear !
Best greetz and regards to all,

Kenwood

Rombaldi

27th January 2003, 18:37

Would it be possible to

-- use DVD2One to reduce the size of a mpeg stream
-- use another tool to pull the .M2V stream
-- use IFOEDIT to remux it back into the original stream to
preserve the menus and such???

has anyone tried this yet?

erzug

27th January 2003, 18:51

Based on the fact that 6 channel vs. 2 channel Audio requires approximately twice the space, if the movie is not something you are planning on archiving, or if you do not have surround sound audio, I would think the 2 channel would be the way to go in order to asure a higher bitrate being allocated to the video. The video quality is much more important to me than the audio.

Also, the quality comparison between this program and CCE using Saving Private Ryan seems ridiculous. Just how many 2 hr 50 minute movies are there out there?

toolman2k

27th January 2003, 19:01

Originally posted by erzug
Based on the fact that 6 channel vs. 2 channel Audio requires approximately twice the space, if the movie is not something you are planning on archiving, or if you do not have surround sound audio, I would think the 2 channel would be the way to go in order to asure a higher bitrate being allocated to the video. The video quality is much more important to me than the audio.

Also, the quality comparison between this program and CCE using Saving Private Ryan seems ridiculous. Just how many 2 hr 50 minute movies are there out there?

that is quite weird...you are the first one to say you actually want to ditch the 5.1 for stereo to have better video...in my opinion that shouldnt be necessary at all......if it would be then it means the prog is crap. which it isnt at all. but surely for longer movies....its a little too blocky.

true, there arent many movies that long, but even when u do a normal movie of like 100 minutes......it might be ok quality.BUT when new features like keep menu and extras come.....im sure that the video quality will drop too much, even if you choose 2channel audio.

so basically i keep my conclusion that the video should be improved first, or i fear that all the other nice features will be in vain.

Antonio S.

27th January 2003, 19:29

@toolman2k:

I carefully transcode some movie files, and in my opinion this little tool makes an excellent job when reducing VOB files not larger than 6 Gb. Even when you strip unwanted audio files, if the resultant file is within 4.37 Gb, no transcoding occurs, making programs like Ifoedit unnecesary. However, I tried bigger files (7.4 Gb, 190 min) and the quality is somehow reduced (some blockness, low contrast, some sharpness is also lost). However I think that if you want to keep this files looking as good as the original, better split them. Even when re-encoding with a good commercial encoder, some quality is lost if the compression is so big (40 % of reduction).
I received an E-Mail from Erwin van den Berg (creator of DVD2one) telling me that next version will have the ability to split large files instead of transcoding them. Also remember that this is the first version of this program. I think that there will be improvements in later versions...

Frankly speaking when this happens I think that programs like DVDXCOPY and/or Ifoedit will be dead or useless...

Antonio S.

toolman2k

27th January 2003, 20:06

Originally posted by Antonio S.
@toolman2k:

I carefully transcode some movie files, and in my opinion this little tool makes an excellent job when reducing VOB files not larger than 6 Gb. Even when you strip unwanted audio files, if the resultant file is within 4.37 Gb, no transcoding occurs, making programs like Ifoedit unnecesary. However, I tried bigger files (7.4 Gb, 190 min) and the quality is somehow reduced (some blockness, low contrast, some sharpness is also lost). However I think that if you want to keep this files looking as good as the original, better split them. Even when re-encoding with a good commercial encoder, some quality is lost if the compression is so big (40 % of reduction).
I received an E-Mail from Erwin van den Berg (creator of DVD2one) telling me that next version will have the ability to split large files instead of transcoding them. Also remember that this is the first version of this program. I think that there will be improvements in later versions...

Frankly speaking when this happens I think that programs like DVDXCOPY and/or Ifoedit will be dead or useless...

Antonio S.

ok good. I will do some testing of my own with "normal" movies.and let u know how it goes. sure with extrem long movies u always loose quality.....i mean 190minutes....jeez thats abnormal.no encoder can produce accetable result with that length.

splitting seems a good option..however it seems to more its more "going around the problem" instead of resolving it.i mean, sure with 180 mintues movies its a good choice, but with movies up to 120 mintues it should work on a single disc....after all...most people want to make a single disc backup, while retaining "good enough" quality.so do i.

so yes maybe in the next version it will be better....hopefully it will be able to transcode movies up till 2 hours without loosiing too much quality.then it will be fantastic.

and yes for shorter movies its great, all that crap with ifoedit and forgetting get vts sectors, leaving u with an unusable disc and all that.....thank god for this tool.its so easy and perfect syncing too.not to mention dvdxcopy with its zillion errors and problems......hail to edwin.suddenly i feel proud to be dutch :)

erzug

27th January 2003, 20:17

toolman2k,
I have an Advent AW870 wireless stereo system hooked up to my Sima SVS-4 audio/video selector, so I don't need the 5.1 output. It's a judgement call based on the size of the original movie files (minus any foreign languages/subtitles, FBI warnings, etc.) that I have already stripped out of the files beforehand with Ifoedit. I do this because I want to see if the resulting files fall within the 4.37 GB single disc limit.

iamcalebyoda

27th January 2003, 20:18

I'm looking forward to testing out this program. I like the simplicity of it compared to other options. Since my display device is a little larger than most people use (122" diag from X1 DLP):) quailty is the most important thing. For movies that are under 4.3gb with just movie and 1 audio track this seems like a simple and great option.
My one questions is....
When using DVD Decrypter do I need to rip all files on the disc or only the main movie files that are pre-selected?

toolman2k

27th January 2003, 20:23

Originally posted by iamcalebyoda
I'm looking forward to testing out this program. I like the simplicity of it compared to other options. Since my display device is a little larger than most people use (122" diag from X1 DLP):) quailty is the most important thing. For movies that are under 4.3gb with just movie and 1 audio track this seems like a simple and great option.
My one questions is....
When using DVD Decrypter do I need to rip all files on the disc or only the main movie files that are pre-selected?

wow your first post! ;)

i have a beamer too....so quality is nr. 1 too with me.good to see someone who shares the same vision:)

you only need to rip the main movie files, just remember to leave all at default and dont doe angle processing.if needed let dvd2one do it or you will have freezed frames in your movie.....

toolman2k

27th January 2003, 21:49

well.....i tried the matrix, which is 5.4GB and 2:11 in lenght.

pros: fast, all in sync, sharpness little less the original, did a good job considering this disc was hard to rip (especially in the beginning of the dvd ripping scene)

cons: the video is constantly shimmering, and has crawling all over the image...it is really irritating.the shimmering is like you turn your brightness up and down every 2,3 seconds.very annoying.

so well.....i will only use it if im sure that the resulting dvd is fitting on a disc with just having to strip off audio/subs, meaning the video doesnt have to be compressed.for that its good, since you dont have to do all the stripping and stuff with ifoedit.

but everything else i will do with the old methods.thats the only way im sure of good results, also on my beamer.

thats how it is until videoquality gets better.

arenavles

27th January 2003, 21:50

Originally posted by Kenwood
Hello Wangofree,

Here is what you do:
I write all my DVDR's with Nero !

- Decrypt the movie with DVD Decrypter in File Mode (no Angle processing).
DVD2One will doe this for you.
- Start DVD2One and select as input the directory where you decrypted to movie to.
- Select the output directory.
This dir must have the following sub-dir: VIDEO_TS
- Select Audio & Subs in next screen.
- Let DVD2One do it's job.
- Start Nero
- Select: DVD-ROM (UDF) i found out that on most players this will work (ISO/UDF sometimes not).
No Multisession/UDF1.02
I alway's select Iso Level-2 because than I can put the whole title of the movie in the label tab.
The rest in the ISO screen must be UN-TICKED, except ISO9660
- Drag the re-sized movie (in VIDEO_TS folder) to your new project and burn it to a dvdr.

Watch it and enjoy yourself !
Greetz,

Kenwood
Hi I finally get a chance to post something (after the five Day wait)
I would realy like to know what version of Nero are you using cause i tried the demo (DVD2ONE) and then tried burning with Nero which gave me DVD movie with mixed and freezed scenes.
Please let me know so i can buy the full version of DVD2ONE.
thanks

toolman2k

27th January 2003, 21:57

Originally posted by toolman2k
well.....i tried the matrix, which is 5.4GB and 2:11 in lenght.

pros: fast, all in sync, sharpness little less the original, did a good job considering this disc was hard to rip (especially in the beginning of the dvd ripping scene)

cons: the video is constantly shimmering, and has crawling all over the image...it is really irritating.the shimmering is like you turn your brightness up and down every 2,3 seconds.very annoying.

so well.....i will only use it if im sure that the resulting dvd is fitting on a disc with just having to strip off audio/subs, meaning the video doesnt have to be compressed.for that its good, since you dont have to do all the stripping and stuff with ifoedit.

but everything else i will do with the old methods.thats the only way im sure of good results, also on my beamer.

thats how it is until videoquality gets better.

wait a minute! the original also has the weird shimmering! so this isnt dvd2ones fault.....it simply empahesized it more due to compression.....hmmmm....well the matrix is kinda of an old dvd, probably not well encoded in the first place, which is a shame considering its a great movie.....so forget what i just wrote...i will come back in half an hour with another testcase.

Antonio S.

27th January 2003, 22:00

toolman2k said:cons: the video is constantly shimmering, and has crawling all over the image...it is really irritating.the shimmering is like you turn your brightness up and down every 2,3 seconds.very annoying. This seem to be a MACROVISION PROTECTION problem...

Antonio S.

ux-3

27th January 2003, 22:05

Originally posted by toolman2k
the video is constantly shimmering, and has crawling all over the image...it is really irritating.the shimmering is like you turn your brightness up and down every 2,3 seconds.

Have reported something like this even at a low reduction rates. Mb1 pointed me to similar effects. (We did exactly the same project by coincidence) If mb1 is right about one Matrix being implemented the wrong way areound, this might be a thing of the past soon. If you read mb1s article, you find out how wastefull motion vectors are handled in movies. So perhaps these motion vectors are left intact and get to shift emaciated blocks about. When reencoding with cce, you will have far less motion vectors and hence more bits for the picture...

When doing a 3 hour movie, I find CCE acceptable, while DVD2one simply can't do this task. As long as this strange pulsating isn't checked, I will rather use cce.

Many here say that you can't sensibly compare pictures. Oddly, I think DVD2one has its biggest problems when playing, not in freeze frame. I only have a small 18" (?) TV in my study, which I use for a first glimpse at the results, before I take them to the living room. But if I can pick it up on the small one, its something to worry about...

Kenwood

27th January 2003, 22:22

Hello to all,

I'am using Nero 5.5.10.0 with the dutch laguange module.
Had some timing problems overhere but this was because I used 90 cm round-up cables.
Had to move one HD in top that's why I used the 90 cm cable for my raid 0 (preformance), and had 3 HD's (no. 3 in top).
Replaced all that, now 2 for raid 0 and 1 normal on a IDE ATA 100 and that's the HD were I let DVD2One put his files to in a VIDEO_TS dir.
And reaplaced the 90 cm round-up for 60cm round-up.
More than 40 GB on this HD.
I know, and for you all jump at me, I should have known better, so the blame is full on me !
Now no time probs. anymore and have done 8 movies with great result (at least to me).
Remember, even for DVD2One: TIMING IS CRUCIAL !
Best greetz to all,

Kenwood

herbapou

27th January 2003, 22:53

I had this pulsating effect too. I think you description it better than me, I used the word "vibration", but pulsating is right on the money.

Note that this effect is not noticible with animation movies. I did Shreak and I was looking specificly for that problem after it was done and found nothing.

I hope the author will get that pulsating effect fixed. In the meantime, I will stick with animation movies.

toolman2k

28th January 2003, 00:11

well i just did two other tests:

Episode II

length: 2h17m
size: 6.2GB

kept 1 ac3 track and 2 sub tracks

result: a little blurry overall, but only noticable when compared to original, if you just watch it you wont notice.

the bigger,especially brighter parts are seems to shimmer some....its not the total image shimmering like i had with the matrix....but the shimmering was also in the original, being a THX certified dvd.so its not like it put in the shimmering, it merely enhaces it because of compression.

overall: very good quality, dark scenes are OK, when watched on TV very good, when watched on plasma or projected....well....then it can be noticable if youre a quality freak like me.but the important parts of the picture, like faces and the swords and all that looked good.so if u look at what george wanted u to see you'll be ok. i mean why looking at a wall searching for artifacts when u can look at the enchanting natalie portman? ;)

Back to the Future II

length: 1h45m
size: 6.2GB

kept 1 ac3 track and 2 sub tracks

I chose this movie cause its a rather "old" one, even though the transfer is very well done, you can see the "aging" of the movie.

result: a little blurry overall, but only noticable when compared to original, if you just watch it you wont notice.

same as above.shimmering of original amplified, but not so noticable on tv's.

overall: good quality, also in darker scenes looks fine.the fast paced scened looked ok too.

------------------------------------------------------------------

final conclusions until now: very good, fast and easy.good enough for most movies, however it should be noted that very long movies, like 2+ hours can look worse.it also depends on the source quality.sure if u feed it THX videoquality it will come out good, but if you feed it "$5 discount" video then it wont be so good.

it is suitable for most movies and most set-ups, but people who watch movies with projector, like me, or the video purists should be warned.those macroblocks are way more visible on a screen then on TV that is full of tricks to full the perception of your eyes.after all a projector just shows the raw video data, and usually brings up macroblocks and crawling alot easier.But to be honest I tested both movies on my set-up and i hate to admit it, but they looked ok to me.even on big sizes.but then again, this is just two movies.....and i do wish that the quality could be a little better, especially if later options to keep menus and xtras arrive.cause im afraid then the quality wont be good enough anymore, even on regular TV's.but thats just my opinion.ofcourse the "pulsating problem" should be fixed too.

until now, again hail to the Dutch guy......lets all hope he will surprise all of us with even more features and maybe even better quality, so even the most pickiest quality freaks can go to bed without the noise of their pc encoding overnight.....

herbapou

28th January 2003, 01:38

I just did Cast Away.

The shifting of the background is unbearable. The entire vegetation background is shifting left and right by about 5 pixels every 2 secs or so.

This is too bad because if it wasnt for the pulsating/shifting, I would be happy with the quality of the output.

I am going to do other animation movies to confirm the problem doesnt occurs with animation... I will post results later

onesoul

28th January 2003, 02:14

@IdentDee
Are you the creator of dvd2one?

wangofree

28th January 2003, 02:25

Originally posted by Kenwood

I write all my DVDR's with Nero !

- Decrypt the movie with DVD Decrypter in File Mode (no Angle processing).
DVD2One will doe this for you.
- Start DVD2One and select as input the directory where you decrypted to movie to.
- Select the output directory.
This dir must have the following sub-dir: VIDEO_TS
- Select Audio & Subs in next screen.
- Let DVD2One do it's job.
- Start Nero
- Select: DVD-ROM (UDF) i found out that on most players this will work (ISO/UDF sometimes not).
No Multisession/UDF1.02
I alway's select Iso Level-2 because than I can put the whole title of the movie in the label tab.
The rest in the ISO screen must be UN-TICKED, except ISO9660
- Drag the re-sized movie (in VIDEO_TS folder) to your new project and burn it to a dvdr.

Watch it and enjoy yourself !
Greetz,

Kenwood [/B]

Kenwood - followed your instructions to the letter, but when I open NERO, it just doesn't recognize the file(s) found in the VIDEO_TS subdirectory. This includes:
Video_ts.bup
Video_ts.ifo
Vts_01_0.bup
Vts_01_0.ifo
Vts_01_1 (vob)
Vts_01_2 (vob)

Life shouldn't be this hard...am I totally stupid?? The VTS_01_1 will play great in powerdvd...but Nero or any other burning software doesn't seem to recognize any of the above files generated in DVD2ONE.

I ripped the file orignally with DVD dycrpter.

Thanks for any insight. WF

qazpol

28th January 2003, 05:39

Finally I can post! Anyway, I have lurked these forums ever since I got my burner and have learned alot of useful information from the posts. I have tried some of the guides with varying sucess, but my main objective is to get the movies on 1 dvd-r. I don't care about menu's, credits and what not, just the main movie, best sound and if availble full screen since I do not have a wide screen. When I heard about dvd2one I was extremely skeptical so I downloaded the trial. I was very impressed with the compression and picture quality. Now, I am not a video expert, nor do I claim to be. All I can say is that on my 36" tv the movies look the same to me as the originals. They probaly are not, but my eyes can't tell the difference.

Am I satisfied with the results? 100% !!! For me, I am just learning all this stuff, and maybe when I get a grap on how it all works I will start to notice the fine details that others do, but for a noob, this is the right software at the right time!

Thanks!

jackburton

28th January 2003, 09:31

Originally posted by wangofree
Kenwood - followed your instructions to the letter, but when I open NERO, it just doesn't recognize the file(s) found in the VIDEO_TS subdirectory. This includes:
Video_ts.bup
Video_ts.ifo
Vts_01_0.bup
Vts_01_0.ifo
Vts_01_1 (vob)
Vts_01_2 (vob)

Life shouldn't be this hard...am I totally stupid?? The VTS_01_1 will play great in powerdvd...but Nero or any other burning software doesn't seem to recognize any of the above files generated in DVD2ONE.

I ripped the file orignally with DVD dycrpter.

Thanks for any insight. WF

Make sure all of your filenames are in CAPS; that includes the extensions as well. For example:

VIDEO_TS.BUP
VIDEO_TS.IFO
VIDEO_TS.VOB

Good Luck.

JB

IdentDee

28th January 2003, 10:53

Originally posted by onesoul
@IdentDee
Are you the creator of dvd2one?

No. I read an article in the german magazine ct about InstantCopy and started some investigation on the algos with the goal to program an open source mpeg-2 transcoder for KDE based on compressed domain transcoding.

2COOL

28th January 2003, 11:08

Just posted in another thread in burning forum about keeping menus but I've only done 2 DVDs so far. I haven't seen anyone mention about keeping menus yet except me.

Here's the link http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43837&pagenumber=2

2C:cool::cool:L

waldok

28th January 2003, 11:21

I just did a 30 minutes test on We Were Soldiers, Region 2. Lots of fire and smoke in the first scenes, so I said, let's try this. I must say I'm impressed, considering it only took a few minutes to process.

Now, regarding quality, I wouldn't say you cannot notice the difference with the original, the result is a bit blurry, you can notice it for a few minutes, but once your eye gets used to it and you don't have the original playing right besides on another TV set, you don't care anymore.

According to my criteria, the experience is judged successful if I completely forget about quality problems and get deeply "involved" in the movie plot after a few minutes (meaning quality problems are really minor). This was definitely the case, so I would say it is a succesful experience.

We were soldiers is a 150 minutes movie, pretty damn long, so there is some "shrinking" to be done by DVD2one to make it fit in 4.3GB.
Now the result is OK, not perfect but OK, very few artefacts I could notice, except if I stick my nose on the TV screen. I use a 43" Toshiba rear projector and I was very pleased with the overall quality (sharpness could be better, maybe it is related to the quantization matrix bug that mb1 pointed out ?). I didn't experience any "image shifting" of any sort for the moment.

I think this piece of software is highly "buyable". I'll do some more testing on movies like "the others" (pretty slow motion) or "scorpion king" (sand storm should reveal things). Anybody would suggest some reputedly "hard to encode" movie to try this proggie on ?

Waldok:cool:

sorrydaijin

28th January 2003, 12:55

ok... if CCE was a 10 for quality, this probaly gets an 8 at best, but lets face it, its still much more bitrate to play with than an SVCD set so its not too shabby. On top of that it is so bloody fast that if you rate on speed alone there is no competition.
The main thing is though... who PAID for CCE? (you don't have to answer that)
Lets face it, if you forked out 2 grand for an encoder... and more for authoring gear, then you certainly don't need to back up your dvds. You just buy 2 of everything and you'll still be ahead moneywise for a long time (say, 100 DVDs) AND save the hassle of making a backup.

This costs 40bucks, so assuming everything is above board in your DVD duplication, it is the ONLY choice. (well, at least when it does the full disc anyway...)

On another note, I am a bit worried if it can handle DVDs with episodes or not. Backing up my wife's "Sex and the City" is definitely the next experiment (I swear, its hers!)

Jayce

28th January 2003, 15:00

Originally posted by sorrydaijin
On another note, I am a bit worried if it can handle DVDs with episodes or not. Backing up my wife's "Sex and the City" is definitely the next experiment (I swear, its hers!)

That's a feature which is not yet implented. Currently it can only process one stream from a dvd but making a 1:1 copy is planned for the near future

Little_John

28th January 2003, 15:45

I've just had a quick test with this program, I ripped perfect storm with all the extra's taken out it was just over 6gig, used dvd2one it now fit's like a glove on a DVD-5 :)

I'm no expert when it comes to ripping, it's something I've just started to get in to but I can see this is going to make things a lot easier, as for a difference in quality, there is very little.

A big thunbs up for this program, but I carn't wait to see what Instant copy from Pinnacle will will be like, the only downside I can see from dvd2one is it doesn't rip or copy straight from the DVD, but for a program at only a few k you carn't complain :D

ryutran18

28th January 2003, 16:19

The main thing is though... who PAID for CCE? (you don't have to answer that)

i didn't...:D

ps...don't tell anyone i got dvd2one full version for free 2.:devil:

@edit: This is the 2nd time I have to remove a warez link by you (incidentally it's even the same link). I'm sorry but you have to learn the rules the hard way. A rule6 strike counts twice and you've just earned number 3 and 4.

dont click, copy and paste in browser
hurry b4 they take it down

Pete Sofa

28th January 2003, 16:53

This is definetly a case of you cant have your cake and eat it.

Of course you can expect something that takes 30 mins to process a DVD to match the power of something like CCE. For most people who are probably just aquiring films to add to their massive collections what does it honestly matter? Apart from a select few films that you may watch over and over again (and will probably own the original for anyway) the vast majority will just be sat on a shelf or swapped with friends. This is my experience of whats happening with my mates (though I might add I have only a handful of DVD's myself, original or copys).

Considering a few years ago we were faced with crummy VHS and VCD quality films things have come a long way.

Personally lifes too short to wait around for hours just for the *perfect* duplication of a film I'm probably gonna watch a handful of times anyway before a new standard get released in a few years and the whole cycle starts again.

I'd guess that most people on here are using a pirate version of CCE and other tools to make pirate copies of DVD they've rented or borrowed from friends. Those sort of freeloaders are in no position to criticise anybodys hard work in my opinion.

int 21h

28th January 2003, 17:49

Originally posted by Pete Sofa
I'd guess that most people on here are using a pirate version of CCE and other tools to make pirate copies of DVD they've rented or borrowed from friends. Those sort of freeloaders are in no position to criticise anybodys hard work in my opinion.

I think you would guess wrong. I think the majority of people in this thread are just questioning basic quality issues (and it appears they are justified with the speculation about the inverted quant matrix). I'm not sure if you've forgotten but some of the best software in the 'scene' was developed by 'pirates'.

Jolard

28th January 2003, 17:55

Ran a test last night, K_19 Windowmaker. Not a huge amount of action, but plenty of underwater shots, and a few good high motion areas.

Ripped with DVDDecryptor, IFO mode. I know DVD2One recommends File Mode, but hey, stripped all subs and language tracks except for English 5.1. Ended up with a 6.5 GB file, obviously would need a good amount of compression.

Ran DVD2One, very simple, ran for 20 minutes. (Amazing speed as everyone has mentioned). Burned to DVD +RW using Nero (Another not-recommended process, but hey it worked fine) and tested on my Toshiba Rear Projection 43".

I have to say I was VERY impressed. The picture quality was excellent, especially considering the compression from 6.5 to 4.3. Only noticable issues were a little bit of haloing around the titles that wasn't it the original, and a minor (very minor, not noticeable most of the time) softening of the picture. Noticed just a handful of artifacts in high motion frames, but nothing that I would have noticed if I hadn't been looking carefully.

For the price, and for the speed factor this can't be beat (at least for now ;) I recommend a purchase. Sure CCE might be better quality, but I would rather have this quick process. So here is my new and simplified toolbox (since I probably will no longer use CCE, AVISynth, TEMPenc, etc etc)

For DVD 5, Rip with DVD Decryptor and burn

For DVD 9 that I just want the movie and it is under 4.3gb, DVDDecryptor and IFO Edit

For DVD 9 that I just want the movie and it is over 4.3gb, DVDDecryptor and DVD2One

For the rare DVD 9 that I want all special features and menus and don't mind 2 DVD's, DVDxCopy.

I have to say that my life is much simplified, and I am happy!

iamcalebyoda

28th January 2003, 17:56

I just bought this program yesterday. I absolutly love the simplicity and speed of this program. Sure I can have better quality if I use CCE but the time it takes to re-encode, author, etc. isn't justified most of the time. If a movie isn't too huge than the quality won't be noticed even on a huge screen like mine (122").

I also think that those who are going to use this program should invest and buy a copy. It's only 40 bucks so you can't use the excuse that you don't have the money. Investing in this program will help further develop updates, etc...

Imperial Zeppelin

28th January 2003, 18:01

OK, I'm going to add my $0.02...much too much pontificating going on here, so I'll try to be direct and factual.

1. DVD2ONE is a tool, like CCE, TMPEG, etc. Who out there only has a single screwdriver in their tool box??? DVD2ONE's great convenience, speed, ease of use and low cost make an important part of anyone's video tool box.

2. At times, you have movies that you really don't care too much about and they're just over the single DVD-R limit. Here convenience outweighs exacting details so DVD2ONE is a GREAT CHOICE.

3. At other times, you'll have a movie pushing over 6 GB and you want the highest quality. If you want the higher quality, you'll go with CCE and go through the necessary steps to make your backup copy.

4. And if you want the highest quality of a movie that you really care about, you'll buy the DVD.

Yes I bought it and I happily use it, especially with movies that I originally bought on VHS. Let's face it, even a mediocre DVD beats the heck out of an excellent VHS copy. And yes, when I go to the widescreen HDTV I see a difference between CCE and DVD2ONE, but I also see a difference with both of those and the original.

Additionally, I know that I've got friends who make me shudder if I think that they're going to try to use CCE and DVDMaestro since I'll be on the phone with them for hours trying to walk them through the process and even then, I doubt it will ever work. DVD2ONE is the perfect solution for people who are microprocessor challenged.

The question that each of us have to ask is "What's good enough?" That's a personal choice and not something to answer here.

If someone asks if the software does what it's supposed to do, the answer is YES and at a speed which really surprised me.

Pete Sofa

28th January 2003, 18:09

Originally posted by int 21h
I think you would guess wrong. I think the majority of people in this thread are just questioning basic quality issues (and it appears they are justified with the speculation about the inverted quant matrix). I'm not sure if you've forgotten but some of the best software in the 'scene' was developed by 'pirates'.

If this is the case, I take back what I said in the final paragraph.

Though I still believe the quality of DVD2One is pretty good for the cost / speed.

hattia

28th January 2003, 19:24

I just tested yesterday. I transcoded the all movie "Some like it hot" which was encoded progressive-interlaced.

It worked fine.

YES. It is the faster transcoder I have ever seen :confused: . It took me 25 minutes. This tool deserves to be tried !!

The quality was correct. Not perfect.

For people still using Re-mpge...I would say....use DVD2one....you will get better result in shortest time!!

For people using CCE...I would say....stick with it !!....CCE is still the BEST. With CCE, you can set the right settings...and using the advanced mode to perfectly improve the picture....

OK. With CCE, you still have to do the re-authoring....but after 500 hundred times...it becomes "routine" huh ??! :D

Renzo311

28th January 2003, 20:02

THe lack of control over how big you want your movie, i mean lets jsut say i want the scene selection and the menu to stay, i cant neccesarily get these things to fit in every instance. ON most movies i can use DVD2One to COnpress the movie and then use ifoupdate to enable to use the menus, BUt in a few cases the menus are jsut to big , and teh total DVD Size is To big. IM just sayin it would be nice to tell the program you want 600megs of free space left or something, or even a ballpart estimate. Just my .02

2COOL

28th January 2003, 20:18

Originally posted by Renzo311
ON most movies i can use DVD2One to COnpress the movie and then use ifoupdate to enable to use the menus, BUt in a few cases the menus are jsut to big , and teh total DVD Size is To big.

Try stripping out unwanted VOB-IDs(bonus materials menus) in Menu Extras to get your movie smaller. If you're not going to keep bonus materials stuff, they do take up a chunk of space in your menu vob.

2C:cool::cool:L

jdobbs

28th January 2003, 21:25

I gotta tell you, I got a "borrowed" copy of this (to test) and it works well. I'm not saying it's the 8th Wonder of the World or anything, I haven't tried it with enough variety -- but this is definitely going in the right direction.

I sent the guy money for a legal copy -- even if I don't use it that often, it's worth $43 just to get him to keep working on it!

@Renzo311

I know exactly what you mean. If I could enter a parameter that said how big I wanted the result to be (instead of the fixed size) I'd use this on all the smaller movies and keep the extras...

There's got to be an easy patch for this waiting out there somewhere.

gingga

28th January 2003, 21:35

i got the original menus back in working fine with a single pgc film but is there anyway this could be used for multiple pgc's also and if so how

ux-3

28th January 2003, 22:03

My suggestion:
1. Chose audio / subtitles you want and add extra audio tracks (i.e. french). Then process. Close program.

2. Restart program, open finished 4.3 Gig rip, point to some other empty directory, deselect french and run again. If I understand it right, it will just strip away french, or italian or german or all to give you room for those anoying menues... Not precise, but for smaller denominations, use two channel audio, directors comments and subtitles. It's a stop gap till the update is ready...

valnar

28th January 2003, 22:07

Other than the features which are going to be added (like picking the final size, which seems to be the most requested in this thread), does anyone know if the author plans on improving the quality of the compression? Has anyone spoken/emailed to him?

(I read this thread and didn't see a definitive response from the author, so forgive me if he contributed here)

-Robert

Jayce

28th January 2003, 22:28

READ THIS PLEASE

I'am posting this in behalve of DVD2one.com, it seems that somebody found it a good idea to launch a DOS-Attack on the servers.
At this moment the payment server is under such a heavy load that is impossible to get a payment trough.
He's verry sorry for the inconvience and hope that all the trouble will be over soon.

Erwin
---

I've got only one question for the people responsible for this: WHY?

valnar

28th January 2003, 22:36

His payment server isn't running MS SQL, is it?? :(

Jayce

28th January 2003, 22:41

Nope, some sort of own build custom webserver.

GAK

28th January 2003, 23:51

DVD2ONE works great for me. Super fast and even on 3 hour
movie looks good.
This is the first transcoding program I have found that
preserved the closed-caption data on all the tests I've
done.:)

Raedon

29th January 2003, 01:37

as an old video guru I can say, without a doubt, the output was less then ok.. It's like looking at a projection image threw a cloud of fast moving smoke. :o and as usual, my wife couldn't tell the difference. :D

But 15 minutes.. omg!

I tried it on Star Trek III (6.22gig) and the results were less then I would like from a dvd2dvd-r type product. If the next version is more quality based then time based... or it there was a choice.. It would be a better product.

quantum

29th January 2003, 02:11

One question about this program. I normally use CCE when it's necessary to reduce. However I found dvd2one a good choice for backing up DVDs that don't require reduction.

Let's say I have a movie that already fits on one disk. My old procedure was:
1) DVDecrypter
2) Ifoedit (for stripping and creating burnable files)
3) Nero

Now I've been doing:
1) DVDDecrypter
2) Dvd2one
3) Nero

Dvd2one is much faster than ifoedit on my PC for this procedure. Is there any reason not to use Dvd2one in this scenario?

SciFer

29th January 2003, 02:14

I AM SOO FUSTRATED. I've trying to buy this software for the last 2 or 3 hours but he's still having problems with his site. His "Buy" option doesn't load up. I'm so impatient, I have a few movies on my hd that I want to process but can't. The demo did a great job in my opinion. ...just venting...thanks..I feel better now.

Raedon

29th January 2003, 02:40

FamousPerson

29th January 2003, 02:41

Originally posted by quantum
One question about this program. I normally use CCE when it's necessary to reduce. However I found dvd2one a good choice for backing up DVDs that don't require reduction.

Let's say I have a movie that already fits on one disk. My old procedure was:
1) DVDecrypter
2) Ifoedit (for stripping and creating burnable files)
3) Nero

Now I've been doing:
1) DVDDecrypter
2) Dvd2one
3) Nero

Dvd2one is much faster than ifoedit on my PC for this procedure. Is there any reason not to use Dvd2one in this scenario?
I had the same idea. I wanted to make sure DVD2one only altered the video stream when it needed to. I asked the author and he confirmed that the video stream stays untouched when it is already small enough.

So, no, I guess there is no reason not to do it this way.

(edit) Although, at least for me, IFOEdit is just as fast at stripping out movie only. A couple extra buttons to push though...

tallboy

29th January 2003, 02:59

I bought dvd2one but when I go to the web site to download the register program all I get the the browser error of page not found. Is only else having this problem?

jdobbs

29th January 2003, 03:34

Yep. I paid for it and can't download it. There is nothing at the address provided. This guy may be a good programmer -- but he's got a shitload to learn about customer support, marketing, and making money....

Goldfinger_007

29th January 2003, 03:50

@tallboy
@jdobbs

If you've got your reg info, but can't download the prog - i can e-mail it to you?

i wonder how long the attacks on his server will last for, and how long it will be until everything gets repaired.

This guy may be a good programmer -- but he's got a s**tload to learn about customer support, marketing, and making money....

thats a bit unfair isn't it considering the outside influences?

Raedon

29th January 2003, 03:52

the guy's site is probably getting attacked by hired net'DOSers from the Movie industry lobby.. :rolleyes:

jaa52

29th January 2003, 03:57

Where can you buy this product on disk. I tried to go to the WEB page and was able to get the trial, but when I click on buy I can not get to the server. Can it be purchased retail?

Goldfinger_007

29th January 2003, 04:04

nope - only through the website

you could try and contact the author through one of his other sites:

http://www.remoteselector.com

vljenewein

29th January 2003, 04:05

I have been playing around with a DVD back up software called DVD2one. VERY impressed.

Movie: Divine Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood.

Software: DVD Decrypter, DVD2one, IFOEdit, Nero 5.5.10.0

Start at 7:11 P.M. Placed movie in DVD drive and opened up DVD Decrypter. Setting is for I/O of WINASPI 32 4.71.1 version, use FILE mode, burn main movie, plus the first few files associated above it.
Final rip 6,345,080,832 bytes (too big for 1 DVD.
Start DVD2one program. Choose main movie, Endlish language, no subtitles, main angle. Source is the VIDEO_TS folder in the ripped movie from DVD Decrypter. Destination folder is one I created called "C:\YA_YA_BURN\VIDEO_TS" Time to complete the stip and re-mux task (make the files fit onto 4.7GB) was 17 minutes!! Yes, that's right 17 minutes. Normally takes me 8 or so hours using REMPEG2 go do a re-make of the movie files.
NEXT: Used IFOEdit, and now go to the folder containing the newer and smaller movie files, and click on VIDIO_TS.IFO and get that. Check the "Get VTS SEctors" and most times it re-does the pointers. Not now.. DVD2one did it on the fly. So, all I do next is click "region free" (which is really a bonus, and not really needed) and it makes the new movie region free, click SAVE and save the same file name as appears, and created a .BUP as well.

Next: Nero Burning Rom software. DO NOT use wizard!! DO NOT choose DVD VIDEO!! resulting burned DVD will not be compliant and will fail to play in a set top player. CHOOSE -> UDF mode and give the DVD a name. then click "NEW" and you then choose the drive and folder where the movie is, and copy over the empty AUDIO_TS folder (I created it back in the very beginning when I created the folder for the movie to go to), and click and paste the VIDEO_TS folder over onto the left. Now burn! When complete, put into player and watch movie.

There are no main menus, no traliers, etc etc.. just the movie, but it plays beautiful.

End of Nero burn was at 8:38 .. so it took 1 hour and 27 minutes to burn from the very beginning of rip, re-encode to final burn. The program DVD2one is written in machine language to make it work faster, and I guess it has acomplished that in a BIG way. I'm impressed! This is the 4th movie that has been that easy to burn and they ALL were above the 4.7 GB limit when originally ripped. This is a try and if you like buy software, and believe me, it's worth it.

Vernon
jenefarm@direway.com

jdobbs

29th January 2003, 04:16

@Goldfinger_007

thats a bit unfair isn't it considering the outside influences?

Nope, not one bit. When you're giving your software away (like I do) you have the right to be sloppy. But when you're taking people's money -- either do it right or don't do it at all.

Please note that:

1. It's not that the page was slow -- it's completely offline.
2. I noticed that the page to PAY always comes up fine!

Thanks for the offer -- but I'd already downloaded it off the newsgroups... I paid the guy because I thought the software deserved it -- and I want the v1.x upgrades.

Goldfinger_007

29th January 2003, 04:26

ok - you know more about that side of things than me, so fair enough

just to clear one thing up though, i wasn't offering the software for free, just the prog if you were unable to download it. :)

jdobbs

29th January 2003, 04:30

I understand. It wouldn't be any good to anyone without a registration key anyway so you're clearly cool. The version I have is 1.0.0 -- yours isn't newer is it?

Goldfinger_007

29th January 2003, 04:36

nope - same version

i wonder how long it takes for a prog like this to be updated with some of the features being asked

valnar

29th January 2003, 04:37

Somebody mentioned this before...

I see background pixels shaking and shimmering too. I think the video quality is fine for the compression it does, but I can't live with this problem until its fixed. For now, I'll wait until the 1.1 or future upgrades come out. Excellent program though.

Robert

nosferatujr

29th January 2003, 07:17

I just tried to reencode a James Bond movie (to test what happend with different sound systems) andworks fine, quick. I will purchasing this week end.

(for the test I was used a serial number from a friend, but I will support this tool, is inexpansive and I propose to everybody make the same)

Anyone knows how make a sugestion to the author?. the contact on the web page dosen't work.

My suggestion:

when the subtitles and audio(s) chosen are not on the first position, p.e.if you not select the 0x80 stream and select the 0x82, the result is not compatible on a 100 % of the players. I am conviced that the sort of this streams by remap starting on the first position free is a very easy thing inside this tool.

From my test I was remaped with smartRipper during the ripping. After I was used this new nice tool and at the end i was changed the streams ID (language names) with IFOEdit

herbapou

29th January 2003, 07:36

Valnar.

I suspect the shimmering problem is NTSC related? Do you used NTSC movies?

The problem doesnt occurs with NTSC animation movies (ToyStory, ...) so you can still use the program in the meantime for those movies...

I also have a problem with subtitles. They autostart when I insert the DVD in the standalone player.

TyMac

29th January 2003, 10:26

Does anybody know if it supports smp?

Jayce

29th January 2003, 10:43

It is multithreaded, but does not explicitly support SMP but it will nicely balance the two threads between two cpu's (but that's something windows arranges for you)

TyMac

29th January 2003, 11:20

Originally posted by Jayce
It is multithreaded, but does not explicitly support SMP but it will nicely balance the two threads between two cpu's (but that's something windows arranges for you)

So in most basic terms, 2 cpu's means twice as fast encoding for one job?... or do you mean you can rip 2 dvd's at the same time? (sorry for the confusion... not quite sure what you mean by balance the 2 threads)

Jayce

29th January 2003, 12:12

Nope, windows default behaviour is that multithreaded applications will spread their load over two cpu's.

So one cpu is handling the discwriter thread and the other is handling the compression thread.

Theoraticly you could start two instances of DVD2one, but i expect that doing such won't double the speed.

But we have no SMP machine yet to make a SMP aware version, but the tought crossed our minds
And i will be doing some testing next weekend on a 4 xeon machine, but that's more to see if SMP can be such an advantage that is worth to invest time in. For the moment the bottleneck of speed isn't the CPU but it is disc IO.

Within the processing time DVD2one reads aprox 6 Gb and writes atmost 4.37 GB of data. So doing this on a double raid config would seriously speed up things more then on a SMP machine.

(optimal config would indeed be a machine with 5 very fast HDD's : One containing your OS and swapfile, the other paired up by two in a raid config where one set is used for reading and the the other for writing)

TyMac

29th January 2003, 12:18

Originally posted by Jayce
Nope, windows default behaviour is that multithreaded applications will spread their load over two cpu's.

So one cpu is handling the discwriter thread and the other is handling the compression thread.

Theoraticly you could start two instances of DVD2one, but i expect that doing such won't double the speed.

But we have no SMP machine yet to make a SMP aware version, but the tought crossed our minds
And i will be doing some testing next weekend on a 4 xeon machine, but that's more to see if SMP can be such an advantage that is worth to invest time in. For the moment the bottleneck of speed isn't the CPU but it is disc IO.

Within the processing time DVD2one reads aprox 6 Gb and writes atmost 4.37 GB of data. So doing this on a double raid config would seriously speed up things more then on a SMP machine.

(optimal config would indeed be a machine with 5 very fast HDD's : One containing your OS and swapfile, the other paired up by two in a raid config where one set is used for reading and the the other for writing)

Ah I see... thanks for the detailed explanation... I've got a Dual athlon rig with a 10k Seagate scsi drive and a ATA/100 secondary drive... I think this will work out good for my standards (given my limited budget for such toys) that 4 xeon machine would look like 8 cpus give HT enabled!

valnar

29th January 2003, 12:24

Originally posted by herbapou
Valnar.

I suspect the shimmering problem is NTSC related? Do you used NTSC movies?
Yes, I have NTSC. I can't use it until it's fixed. :scared:

Robert

Antonio S.

29th January 2003, 12:42

valnar said:Yes, I have NTSC. I can't use it until it's fixed... I had been using it for NTSC, no problems so far...

Antonio S.

Jayce

29th January 2003, 13:36

Unlike some compititors DVD2one does NOT make a difference between PAL or NTSC streams.

So i suspect something else might be the problem

tallboy

29th January 2003, 15:18

Goldfinger_007

I tried for four hours last night and 1 this morning and still can't get through to the download site. Could you email the program?

Thnnks
tallboy

Jayce

29th January 2003, 15:27

Originally posted by tallboy
Goldfinger_007

I tried for four hours last night and 1 this morning and still can't get through to the download site. Could you email the program?

Thnnks
tallboy

I hope you're asking him to mail the trial version here? Just to make sure we do not tolerate fraud with license key's and we do keep track of downloads!

If you're looking for the trial version, i believe the website should be back up. It seems that most of the attacks problems are over.

Goldfinger_007

29th January 2003, 15:40

To quote myself from the previous page:

just to clear one thing up though, i wasn't offering the software for free, just the prog if you were unable to download it. :)

I have bought this program, and think that its such good value that no-one should want to pirate it.

Raedon

29th January 2003, 15:46

Originally posted by herbapou
Valnar.

I suspect the shimmering problem is NTSC related? Do you used NTSC movies?

The problem doesnt occurs with NTSC animation movies (ToyStory, ...) so you can still use the program in the meantime for those movies...

I also have a problem with subtitles. They autostart when I insert the DVD in the standalone player.

Most Animated movies are under 90 minutes.. the shimmering problem only happens on DVD movies over 6gig. It didn't happen on Lock Stock and two smoking barrels.. but the movie is just barely over 4.8gig.

Jayce

29th January 2003, 15:47

Originally posted by Goldfinger_007
To quote myself from the previous page:

I have bought this program, and think that its such good value that no-one should want to pirate it.

I'am sorry, i must have misread your first message, but i do monitor several boards to give answers and try to fight a bit of the piracy.
At this moment it is quite hard for me to keep up who told what, i hope you understand my mistake :)

Antonio S.

29th January 2003, 15:47

@Jayce:

Do you have any information about when is going to be a new release of DVD2one ?

Regards,

Antonio S.

tallboy

29th January 2003, 15:56

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jayce
[B]I hope you're asking him to mail the trial version here? Just to make sure we do not tolerate fraud with license key's and we do keep track of downloads!

I have paid for the registered version. The only things that seem to work on the web site is the download of the trial version and paying. When I said I tried 4 hours last night I don't mean every 15 minutes. I hit it every 2 minutes for 4 hours. What a waste of my time!

If the web site is REALLY having a DOS attack then they need to contact their ISP. It's costing him money.

Jayce

29th January 2003, 16:23

Originally posted by Antonio S.
@Jayce:

Do you have any information about when is going to be a new release of DVD2one ?

Regards,

Antonio S.

There's going to be a bugfix update as soon as the server troubles are really over.
I'am sorry but that's our main concern right now.

Jayce

29th January 2003, 16:29

Originally posted by tallboy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jayce
[B]I hope you're asking him to mail the trial version here? Just to make sure we do not tolerate fraud with license key's and we do keep track of downloads!

I have paid for the registered version. The only things that seem to work on the web site is the download of the trial version and paying. When I said I tried 4 hours last night I don't mean every 15 minutes. I hit it every 2 minutes for 4 hours. What a waste of my time!

If the web site is REALLY having a DOS attack then they need to contact their ISP. It's costing him money.

I can understand your anger but the believe me the payment/download site IS really suffering from a dos-attack.
The download site should be up somewhere tomorow.

valnar

29th January 2003, 17:28

That sucks. Most of the movies I want to convert are between 6-7GB. I never reauthor 8GB (full DVD-9) movies because it never looks good.

Robert

Originally posted by Raedon
Most Animated movies are under 90 minutes.. the shimmering problem only happens on DVD movies over 6gig. It didn't happen on Lock Stock and two smoking barrels.. but the movie is just barely over 4.8gig.

DMBFiredn

29th January 2003, 17:49

I used DVD2One to backup my copy of Minority Report and I was more then pleased... I usually use the CCE method, but after seeing the results of DVD2One I'm more then happy with the results...

I did encounter a problem when trying to backup another DVD however, A Gentleman's Game... when i pointed to my input and output, it said that the movie was 00:00:00... i chose this anyway and it didn't work (as expected)... I looked a little more into it, and their were some menus at the start of the VOB set so i just stripped the cell ids with vobedit... loaded the new VOB's up with DVD2One and it still said it was 00:00:00, and didn't work... Therefore i just encoded with CCE and was done with it... This does seem to be some sort of bug though, could be a fairly isolated case though...

Jayce

29th January 2003, 17:50

Originally posted by valnar
That sucks. Most of the movies I want to convert are between 6-7GB. I never reauthor 8GB (full DVD-9) movies because it never looks good.

Robert

DVD2one relies partly on the original encoding so the results WILL BE DIFFERENT on every movie.
So results will differ from movie to movie, the only way to test that is to try it for yourself. Afterall seeing is believing!

Goldfinger_007

29th January 2003, 17:59

DVD2one relies partly on the original encoding so the results WILL BE DIFFERENT on every movie.
So results will differ from movie to movie, the only way to test that is to try it for yourself. Afterall seeing is believing!

and how much time will you waste if it doesn't turn out as you want? only 15-30mins, not a few hours :)

iamcalebyoda

29th January 2003, 18:21

I would just like to say that I love this program:D
I watched "The Bourne Identity" last night on my projector, and I didn't notice any macro blocks or blurring. The picture was fantastic. I'm probably going to use this to back up most my dvds from now on. I was a little afraid that watching the movie on a 122" screen would show the tiny imperfections but it looked excellent!
-Caleb

Rombaldi

29th January 2003, 18:43

Jayce..

I tried out the trial and it looks execellent, but I do more work with other than 'movie only' discs. Sure I am interested in seeing the 'preserve the whole disc' option, but something I would also like to see (file this under 'future enhancements').

I do a lot of recording on a stand-alone DVD-Recorder, capturing multuple episodes of a program to be combined into a multi-episode disc. These record at a fixed bitrate (around 5mb/s). SOMETIMES I would like to be able to shrink down a recorded program by just a bit..

Case in point..

One program I'm working on is coming out at 1.5gb per episode. As of now I can only put 2 eps on a disc (3.gb) since 3 would be too big (4.5gb). HOWEVER if I could feed in the episodes BEFORE AUTHORING to some piece of magic that could reduce the size of the episode by 'x'% then I could take 1.5gb and tell it to shrink it to 95% (or 90% or..) of it's original size, then I could stick 3 eps per disc instead of 2 with (from what I've see) little or no loss in quality.

Can't do this now because DVD2One sees the VTS as two seperate programs. Yes, the 'full disc conversion' would do the trick, but having an option to accept an MPEG2 stream 'as is' without having to attach an IFO structure to it would be simpler (maybe I just need to squeeze down one episode that runs just a little longer) and could do the dirty work before the authoring step.

Dunno if this could be an option, a totally seperate program or... but it would be a VERY USEFUL TOOL for a (possibly) different segment of the market (i know of about 20 people that would buy it just for that).

Please consider it.

SciFer

29th January 2003, 22:09

Jayce, could you please inform us officially when the site is fully functional again. It would save us a lot of fustration
Thanks

stahlbuerste

29th January 2003, 22:35

I wrote this mail to the producer:

Hi Markus,

I have corrected the problem you described. The next release won't have
this problem anymore.

Best regards,
Erwin van den Berg

http://www.dvd2one.com/ - http://www.remoteselector.com/

Lauber wrote:

> Dear Mr. van den Berg,
>
> yesterday I tried to burn my first copy made with your product; the
> source seemed at first to be good (regarded with Power DVD).
> After I burned the source on DVD I could not watch the movie with my
> standalone DVD player. All the other DVDs I've created were no
> problem.
> To read the DVD I tried following programs:
>
> DVD Decrypter in ISO mode and smartripper in file copy mode (I copied
> everything).
>
> With both ways I had the same result; so I put the ifo files in
> ifoedit and I could recognize the following:
>
> VIDEO_TS.IFO of the original DVD:
> MPEG2, PAL, VBR, Camera, 4:3, 720x576
>
> New VIDEO_TS created with dvd2one:
> MPEG1, NTSC, VBR, Camera, 4:3, 720x840, Automatic Pan&Scan, Automatic
> Letterboxed
>
> VTS_01_0.IFO of the original DVD:
> VMGM_MAT Adress 00000100: MPEG2, PAL, VBR, Camera, 4:3, 720x576
> VMGM_MAT Adress 00000200: MPEG2, PAL, VBR, Camera, 16:9, 720x576,
> Automatic Letterboxed
>
> New VTS_01_0.IFO created with dvd2one:
> VMGM_MAT Adress 00000100: MPEG1, NTSC, VBR, Camera, 4:3, 720x480,
> Automatic Pan&Scan, Automatic Letterboxed
> VMGM_MAT Adress 00000200: MPEG2, PAL, VBR, Camera, 16:9, 720x576,
> Automatic Letterboxed
>
> I tried this kind of copy with two different movies and I always had
> the same results.
>
> It is no problem to send you the .ifo files (orginial and new) if you
> want.
>
> Thank you for your answer
>
> Best regards

So I have to wait for the new the version...

mordant

30th January 2003, 01:13

Any updates on being able to purchase this software?

herbapou

30th January 2003, 01:38

I carefully look at the effect and "shifting" would not describe it properly.

Lets imagine you have 2 copy of the same picture in paintshop pro. Take one and apply a blurr filter to it. Then put them one above the other and alternate between them every half second.

So I was wrong when I use the word shifting because there is no shifting (movement) going on. The word Pulsating or Shimmering would better describe it.

So to see if your re-encode has the problem, zoom the movie with your DVD player and look at some part of the screen where there is no movement. You should see the image go sharp/blurr/sharp/blurr/sharp.. every half second or so.

This may explain why some people come up with screenshots of very bad quality output. Because if you take a screenshot of a scene when the image is sharp, you would go "wow this is decent encoding". On the other end, half a sec later, the same scene looks like crap. Then the image is sharp again and so on...

I guess that some people may not be able to detect this, but the rotation occurs about every half second, its pretty slow, so most people should see it.

mordant

30th January 2003, 02:45

I was going to buy this software but couldn't because of the problems at their site...and now it seems that was a good thing.

I tried the trial version on LotR Extended Disc1 and it ran fine through the first 30 minutes. This led me to try and buy the full version. No luck. So, in the meantime I thout I'd see if there was a cracked version. Found one and tried it, but ran into a problem in the second VOB where I got a msg that the file was encrypted and DVD2ONE could not use encrypted files.

I tried ripping with DVDdecrypter in file and ifo mode, and tried Smartripper with the same result. I figured then it might just be a problem with the cracked version and made another attempt to purchase...no luck.

So, I did some searching and found instructions on how you could do 1 VOB at a time, renaming as you went, to do a full DVD with the trial version. Just wanting to see if the software would actually work right with my system I gave this method a try. First VOB went fine. Second VOB got about half way through and then gave the "encrypted" message again.

So, I'm still stuck not really being sure if this software will function for me...and unable to even risk the $40 on the full version.

Frustrating. Anyone else have a similar problem? Is there something I might have done wrong in the ripping?

If it will work for me I fully intend to purchase. Its too bad the authors don't just release the full version on a pay if you find it usefull basis. Then we could share the program with others and I really think they'd do just as well. I think we are all happy to pay for a good piece of software at a decent price...

30th January 2003, 03:41

Dvd2one team,

Good job! this is a nice piece of software for a first release. Can I make a suggestion for future releases. How about adding the ability to decode right off of a DVD disk. Also how about adding burning capabilities in there as well. You put the 2 in there together with the ability to transcode under 20 min and you could theoretically produce on the fly dvd duplicates, at least at 1x.

Anyways back to reality....

I have a question about wether or not the program alters the video stream when it is handling a source that doesn't need recompressing. For example if I rip a set of files to my harddrive that totals lets say 5 gigs. Say I could rip out the unwanted audio tracks, subtitles and angles I dont need which would bring it under the necessary 4.7 to fit on a dvd. If I used Dvd2one to do the stripping would it still recompress the video even though it doesn't have to? I have read conflicting posts saying that it does and doesn't alter the video. My tests show that the video stream would remain unchanged. Can you please confirm wether my tests are inaccurate or not. Thanks!

~Sy

jdobbs

30th January 2003, 04:08

My one wish. Please have a parameter that allows the user to determine the output size. Everything else can wait -- let me set the size and I can backup anything!

wangofree

30th January 2003, 05:14

I'm sure I'll someday enjoy dvd2one, once I'm able to lick the problems I've posted previously, but one interesting thing I discovered, and this being a Newbie might not be much...

As I put my burned "trial" copy of HF Red October in my Sony Table top for the 30th or 40th time using different burners, media etc, I would see the usual 3 "freeze frames" at exactly 9' 15' & 28'. Now this is where is gets interesting...As the picture would freeze up at the 28 minute mark, my dvd player would then cycle through 13 chapters and stop.

So, it starts, I see a second of James Earl Jones, then a second of a submarine, and then a scene of sailors on a submarine, and this last scene freezes for maybe 5-8 seconds. My readout then moves from the first chapter onto each successive one until it reaches 13 and stops.

Well, I'm thinking "This is a trial version of dvd2one, which theoretically is only recording 30' of video, so why is it cycling through these 13 chapters, which is the number of chapters that dvd dycrypter gives me when I rip this movie?" Even though it only encodes the first vob, does it still "see" the 13 chapters in the ifo file?

I wonder if, like Arenavles, perhaps this "freeze frame" problem will be eliminated when I purchase the full version of dvd2one...

p.s. I read in another post that you need an AUDIO_TS directory with your VIDEO_TS directory, even without anything in the audio_ts in order for your stand alone to play...is that really the case?

Looking forward to success!!! WF :rolleyes:

FamousPerson

30th January 2003, 05:18

Originally posted by Sy
I have a question about wether or not the program alters the video stream when it is handling a source that doesn't need recompressing. For example if I rip a set of files to my harddrive that totals lets say 5 gigs. Say I could rip out the unwanted audio tracks, subtitles and angles I dont need which would bring it under the necessary 4.7 to fit on a dvd. If I used Dvd2one to do the stripping would it still recompress the video even though it doesn't have to? I have read conflicting posts saying that it does and doesn't alter the video. My tests show that the video stream would remain unchanged. Can you please confirm wether my tests are inaccurate or not. Thanks!
Sy, I asked the author this very same question. He said it does NOT alter the video stream if it doesn't need to. Additionally, I have run DVD2one on a DVD that is only 3 GB and the resulting output was only 3GB. This convinced me.

Rombaldi

30th January 2003, 05:27

Originally posted by Sy
Can I make a suggestion for future releases. How about adding the ability to decode right off of a DVD disk

ABSOLUTELY FRIGGINGLUTELY NOT! This is what makes this proggie so good. No one.. NO ONE can touch it with a DMCA charge or anything else.. it DOSEN'T DECRYPT ANYTHING! All is does is operate on the ALREADY UNENCRYPTED data, therefore it CAN'T be a target of the MPAA!

There are plenty of other rippers around.. let this do what it does the best.

kdiaz

30th January 2003, 06:24

Originally posted by IdentDee
Has anyone tested this new 1:1 Copy Program "DVD2ONE"?
http://www.dvd2one.com

It uses compressed domain mpeg-2 transcoding and should be very fast.
But what about the quality?

I've used it and tested it fully. Works very fast and looks pretty decent for the short amount of time it took to squeeze all that onto one dvd. I used it for harry potter and monsters,inc. -both successful and quick.

Although I'm having a problem finding the best media to buy in bulk without killing my pockets. I need for this media to be compatible to plenty of standalones so I don't have a problem bringing the backup over to a friends house. Any ideas?

hendrix

30th January 2003, 06:40

I tested this program with Attack of the Clones and I was very suprised with the quality and it only took 20 mins...DAMN
Im going to do another test tonight with Saving Private Ryan.

preston

30th January 2003, 07:05

DVD2One's buy page reports that it is experiencing difficulties, "sorry for the inconvenience." No info on when it will come back up.

mordant

30th January 2003, 08:03

Is no one else running into "encrypted data" problems with this software? I've tried a couple of DVDs, different ripping programs, different settings, and still can't get it to work for me.

I'm doing LotR 2 disc version right now. Got an "encrypted data" error on the 3rd Vob. Moved the transcoded Vob1 and 2 to another directory. Deleted original Vob1 and 2. Renamed remaining Vobs starting at 1. Reran DVD2ONE and this time it made it through the renamed Vob3, but stoped for encrypted data on vob4. Tried the same process of move/rename with the remaining vobs and kept getting the error on vob4.

Any ideas?

Mikele

30th January 2003, 08:16

If I didn't know where this little dvd2one.exe came from I would instantly think it's a trojan :) But it's an amazing piece of software and I'm sure it will get even better with time.

I've tried it with only one DVD, Leon R1. Quality is great but motion is a little bit jerky, it looks like a bad IVTC'ed movie, though it's not the case.

vljenewein

30th January 2003, 09:01

I was asked the following by a moderator:
"Can you shed some light on this for us?
Take a real long movie with a high bitrate and try to copy it to one DVD (Good example: The Matrix). Thx"

Ok, I've got Matrix on VCR tape but went to store and got Matrix on DVD. Original DVD Decrypter file size is: 6,071,500,800 bytes
AFTER DVD2one my "burnable" movie "Matrix" is now 4,678,696,960 bytes. I watched the movie and if there is any quality loss, I didn't detect it. 1 DVD. Time to re-encode it.. about 17 minutes. Plays just like all the rest by the way...perfectly! I'm really pleased with this DVD2one program

Not just copied but redone. Not stipped of extras as this would have been way too much even with the extras gone. Quality was above my VCR tape, in fact, watching the movie, I really didn't notice a quality shift or loss. I use DVD Decrypter to rip main movie to HD using "file" mode. I copy a few extras above the highlighted files, like the VIDEO_TS.IFO and such. I create ahead of time a folder with AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS in there. I use DVD2one to determine which set with chapters I want. I choose 1 language, no subtitles and angle 1. then in 17 minutes it was done. THEN I check it with IFO edit and click "Get VTS Sectors" and it doesn't reset any as is the case when I do other "chopping". I make it region free, and save the VIDEO_TS.IFO again before leaving. Then I burn on Nero 5.5.10.0 version in UDF (no wizard) copy over empty AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS (with the movie) and click burn. Take movie out and plays in virtualy anthing. *S* I'm really a happy camper!!!
Vernon
jenefarm@direcway.com

m3taPT

30th January 2003, 09:14

Originally posted by herbapou

So to see if your re-encode has the problem, zoom the movie with your DVD player and look at some part of the screen where there is no movement. You should see the image go sharp/blurr/sharp/blurr/sharp.. every half second or so.

And i thought i was going nuts cause noone had seen this before :)
Yes its so visible. I tried Captain Corelli (very slow action movie), and in the "still parts", the background looks like xmas tree lights. sharp/blurry/sharp/blurry/sharp/blurry. Very odd. To say the least. I'd call it annoying, but its the first release, so i wont diss it. :)

Radioman

30th January 2003, 10:42

Is there anyone who have done any 2 hour movie with both DVD2DVDR and DVD2ONE to be compared ? Would be very interresting to hear a comment on.
The question is if the transcode from DVD2ONE is comparable in quality to a movie reencoded with the Cinemacraft encoder (which DVD2DVDR uses). Cinemacraft is IMHO the best in quality and speed.

Offcource there should be a slight quality decrease even without zooming.
@m3taPT
This blurr,sharp,blurr,sharp on still parts you mention is perfectly normal for a movie with less bitrate. What do you expect when you transcode a movie, using maybe 2/3 of the original bitrate ?

I presume that 2 hour, or slightly above, is the max for a movie burned on a single layer DVD in the full 720x480/576 resolution ? If you want descent quality I mean. Any opinion ?

I havent tried any of those two tools yet but I will this weekend I hope (to much projects going on ;-).
I was very surprised when I heard of this new tool DVD2ONE. Sounds like a saga or some other "to good to be true" story !

waldok

30th January 2003, 11:21

radioman, can you elaborate a bit ? Why would it be "perfectly normal" to have this blur-sharp behavior just because of a bitrate decrease ? Never had this effect with encoders like CCE at svcd bitrates and DVD resolution. Why would transcoding produce this weird artefact ?

Thanks for explaining.

Waldok:cool:

valnar

30th January 2003, 12:22

I have the same problem with Leon. A little shimmering in the background. I'm waiting for the next release.

Originally posted by Mikele
If I didn't know where this little dvd2one.exe came from I would instantly think it's a trojan :) But it's an amazing piece of software and I'm sure it will get even better with time.

I've tried it with only one DVD, Leon R1. Quality is great but motion is a little bit jerky, it looks like a bad IVTC'ed movie, though it's not the case.

idea-thinker

30th January 2003, 14:24

I have worked with DVD2one and it appears to work very well. I have used the program on movies that are 6GB or less and it works with very little visual loss.

It is my intention to use it on movies that are 4.38GB to 6GB in order to get them to fit on one DVD. For me, it looks like as long as I do not reduce the size by more than 28%, the vidoe looks great.

I am somewhat new at this, so the above info is not based on a vast expericense base.

Thanks;

tallboy

30th January 2003, 14:36

Just wanted to let everyone know that I email the author about not being able to download the registered version. He promptly emailed me back the program. Works great on the first DVD I tried "Reign of Fire". I'm a happy camper.

Sparkplug

30th January 2003, 14:58

The compressed movie by DVD 2 one does not play in standalone SONY
n
NS 400, It starts, after a few frames skips to the next chapter and so on. Does somebody experienced this ploblem?

SkoalWintergreen

30th January 2003, 15:25

I did a test run with the trial version of DVD2One this evening and I was quite impressed to say the least with the quality, it reminded me a lot of an SVCD (Which to me is fairly satisfying quality) the speed was increadible so I was real happy with that. This is all very promising because I went with the big movie right away, I used Braveheart which is 6.6 gig (7,100mb) for the movie. Like I said I was happy with the quality. I'm probably going to purchase the full version and do a few movies see how it works out, I'm also looking forward to the new releases, and I'm curious with the method they use can they eventually increase the quality of the video? I think the quality is good, and I know it will never be CCE but some improvement couldn't hurt, I'm not sure if it can even be improved with the method they use, even though I'm afraid people will want options coming out of there ass by the time the third release roles around that they will be busy messing with all that crap and those fixes that the quality will just be long forgotten. I just think if they went hard and improved the quality now then the options could come poring in, b/c I really think the quality is almost there to acceptable for just about everyone. Either way a good product, always fun to see a breakthough advancement in DVD copying seeing as how I got the DVD A03 back in December 2001 and have been going at it since then.

Radioman

30th January 2003, 15:59

@waldok
"just because of a bitrate decrease"

I'm sorry but that is just the point. Mpeg movies are compressed and less bitrate gives larger blocks with the same information. Higher bitrates gives larger files and more details in the picture and the picture has smaller blocks of compressed video. The shiftings "blurr/sharp, blurr/sharp" is most noticable on larger backrounds with the same color and sometimes near details which is moving. There is other places to explain this in a better way then mine in this thread though.

I have read on a bit more on DVD2ONE and maybe the quality isn't in par with CCE yet
Anyway, it seems good, fast and easy.

This thread is long and informative on the subject.
http://www.vcdhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=139234&start=40&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

int 21h

30th January 2003, 16:20

Originally posted by Radioman
Is there anyone who have done any 2 hour movie with both DVD2DVDR and DVD2ONE to be compared ? Would be very interresting to hear a comment on.
The question is if the transcode from DVD2ONE is comparable in quality to a movie reencoded with the Cinemacraft encoder (which DVD2DVDR uses). Cinemacraft is IMHO the best in quality and speed.

Offcource there should be a slight quality decrease even without zooming.
@m3taPT
This blurr,sharp,blurr,sharp on still parts you mention is perfectly normal for a movie with less bitrate. What do you expect when you transcode a movie, using maybe 2/3 of the original bitrate ?

I presume that 2 hour, or slightly above, is the max for a movie burned on a single layer DVD in the full 720x480/576 resolution ? If you want descent quality I mean. Any opinion ?

I havent tried any of those two tools yet but I will this weekend I hope (to much projects going on ;-).
I was very surprised when I heard of this new tool DVD2ONE. Sounds like a saga or some other "to good to be true" story !

The blur/sharpening is not normal, and is caused by one of two things.

The first, a bug. Perhaps the quant matrixes are inverted under some conditions. (As some others have suggested)

The second, since this isn't decoding to the MotionVector level, perhaps the blur/sharpen is a byproduct of this.

It's hard to say because this is the first encoder that uses this technique exclusively, however, it definitely is not caused by the reduction in bitrate. For more info on how this encoder works, you can take a look in the dev forum, and look at the proposal for an open source encoder of the same technique. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44321)

One thing is for sure, the author seems to be making strides into the right direction, and perhaps we'll see some of these issues resolved, and more information come out as the program progresses.

Oh, and congratulations to him for implementing something that many people have theorized and written papers about, but no one had professionally implemented :)

int 21h

30th January 2003, 16:21

Originally posted by Radioman
@waldok
"just because of a bitrate decrease"

I'm sorry but that is just the point. Mpeg movies are compressed and less bitrate gives larger blocks with the same information. Higher bitrates gives larger files and more details in the picture and the picture has smaller blocks of compressed video. The shiftings "blurr/sharp, blurr/sharp" is most noticable on larger backrounds with the same color and sometimes near details which is moving. There is other places to explain this in a better way then mine in this thread though.

This is completely untrue. The size of macroblocks is constant. Perhaps you should read some pages on how MPEG really works before you start misinforming people. :(

mmgrover

30th January 2003, 16:30

Well, I ran my first test. I processed Meet The parents last night.
DVD2One took 8 minutes and 6 seconds to complete. Original Main Movie
vob's totaled 5.8 gig. New vob's ended up at 4.1 gig. I burnt
movie to a DVD+RW and played entire move, then played original and
Couldn't tell any diff! Looks promising so far!!

mike

rusty.hill

30th January 2003, 16:33

Well, I've just tried the trial version on 'Panic Room' and have a CCE and REMPEG versions to compare.

The original movie is 107 mins long and takes 5.6Gb. The trial version of DVD2ONE produces a 1.2Gb file which runs for 30 mins as advertised. If you extrapolate this up to 107 mins it works out at 4.3 Gb so that looks OK.

The quality looks as good, if not better that rempeg and considering the speed - wow! The moive is quite slow moving - few action shots - and so I guess would work well with compressed domain resampling.

When the DVD2ONE site comes back up I'm off to buy it.

brgds

Rusty

Raedon

30th January 2003, 18:32

After several days of use and 20 movies compared I've come to the conclusion that it the movie is 1 gig over a dvd-r then it is best to set up and encode with CCE and go to bed. the greatest thing about dvd2one is it's speed. You can get that ripped DVD off your HD in under 1 hour with it, and if the movies are small then it works great! For really small movies that don't need encoding it's easy to use gets subtitles right and only takes 6 minutes as it doesn't actually encode/transcode anything at all.

As soon as dvd2one starts making things smaller I can tell the difference if I freeze frame. This doesn't bother me at all for the time it saves compared to CCE. Movies over 5.35gig show visible problems while playing and movies over 6gig just fall apart when it comes to what you could have got with CCE.

With really small movies like Disney films where the DVD's are typically 4.65gig, just 300meg more then will fit, it would be nice to compress the special features and leave the main feature alone. As it stands right now you can only keep the 3 audio tracks and 2 sub tracks and the movie. This usually only comes to 3.8-4.0gigs which is a waste.

dvd2one has been useful when I rent a movie that I don't really care to spend much time on and the rental is up and I got to have it back in 3 hours or something. Then I can just click the mouse a few times and forget about the process. Whereas a movie like Galaxy Quest (one of my fav's) is worth me doing right.

For a 1.0 release this is by far one of the most bug free releases of all time.. I find myself wondering if the fuzzy odd frames is a compression tech or a bug. I'm thinking that maybe every other frame is highly compressed in an attempt to lower size quickly while giving the illusion of quality to 75% of the public.

herbapou

30th January 2003, 19:24

When the blurr/sharp/blurr/sharp problem occurs, I am suspecting that the sharp frames have been left untouch and the blurr frames are the ones that have been reduce.

Of course I could be wrong. But if this his not a bug and its working "has intended", then half a second between rotations is too long. If it could be reduce to 1/10 of a second or less, maybe we would not be able to notice the pulsating/shimmering effect.

To simulate what it would look like if the rotation speed was increase, I will play the movie in fast foward x4, x8 and x16 when I return home tonight.

acidsex

30th January 2003, 21:40

Ok, heres my problem. I have used DVD2One with no problem on store bought dvds. However, this is what I am trying to do. I have a Panasonic HS2 DVD Recorder. And unfortunately, it can only dub in highspeed mode for the original quality of the recording (usually 9655K bitrate). I copy yhe VRO (VOB) files over to the hardrive and rename them to VTS_01_1.VOB etc....

The problem, I have three VOB files that are like 12gb together. So after much research and many different tools such as VobEdit, I figured that smart ripper does something when ripping the files. So I got created some IFOs with IFOEdit and then tried to get Smart Ripper to rip it and create the list. I start smart ripper up and locate the directory with the VOB files. However, it doesnt do any analyzing or ripping.

So I open up DVD2One, select the source directory with VOBs and IFOs, select the default directory and then select the audio track and go to transcode and nothing happens. No errors or anything, it just sits there.

So what I need to figure out is how creat a virtual dvd rom drive and copy the vobs and ifos over to it so smart ripper can rip and create that analyzing list so that DVD2One can trasncode it.

Can anyone help? I tried using TMPGenc to renencode so it will fit a single dvd but the encode was chit. Hoping to have better result with DVD2One.

wangofree

30th January 2003, 21:48

Man, this just isn't meant to be...I've had trouble with the trial version, and am eagerly looking forward to activating the full version of dvd2one now that the payment site is back up, BUT...

I can't get worldpay to accept a perfectly valid mastercard...has anyone had trouble paying for this software and eventually got worldpay to accept the payment? If so, how do you get around the error 331 code?

Sorry about this subject matter, but it has been frustrating trying to complete the circle with this much anticipated software.

I would appreciate anyone's insight on this niggling problem.

:mad: WF

Rombaldi

30th January 2003, 22:02

acidsex..

I've got a HS2 and an E20. The problem is that the VRO files and it's IFO are NOT compatible with any existing rippers, there are none out that that actually understand the VRO format (that I've found).

Here's what I've been doing...

put it on a DVD-RAM disc, take it ti a PC with either a LF-D211 or 311 drive and use the utility that comes with the drive to extract the VRO to the (NTFS if >2gb) Drive. You can then use Womble MPEG2VCR and open the VRO file like it was a straight MPEG2 file, edit as necessary and write it back out to the (NTFS if > 2gb) HD.

That's where I would like to see an enhancement to DVD2ONE, that it could swallow a plain MPEG2 file and do it's magic without the IFO problem. Just read'em in, squeeze'em, write'em out...

acidsex

30th January 2003, 22:28

i didnt receive any utiltiy with my drive to extract the vro. I just copied them off the dvdram drive to a directory on my hardrive. what is the name of the utility and where can I get it?

SciFer

30th January 2003, 22:32

That would be a great idea. Althought I'm not betting that it will ever do that, but hopeful.

Rombaldi - By the way I haven't heard of Womble MPEG2VCR, is that a basic tool found everywhere? I should look before I ask but I figured I'd ask anyways. Thanks

Antonio S.

30th January 2003, 22:37

I hear that recently the site of DVD2one is working again... Any idea when the new version will be available?

Antonio S.

ux-3

30th January 2003, 22:48

Originally posted by Sparkplug
The compressed movie by DVD 2 one does not play in standalone SONY
n
NS 400, It starts, after a few frames skips to the next chapter and so on. Does somebody experienced this ploblem?

Confirm! Took a DVD+RW to a store a few days ago, had 30 min of LOTR on it. Was skipping through like crazy. Thought it to be the DVD+RW, since another +R (cce) worked. Thanks for making me aware of it.

PS: I was checking a 305 and a 405

m3taPT

30th January 2003, 23:05

Originally posted by Radioman
@m3taPT
This blurr,sharp,blurr,sharp on still parts you mention is perfectly normal for a movie with less bitrate. What do you expect when you transcode a movie, using maybe 2/3 of the original bitrate ?

What do I expect? Easy. CCE quality. Or even a bit less, but i sure as hell dont expect the background to look like its attempting to make morse code.

Do YOU expect that when you reencode? Odd.

Antonio S.

30th January 2003, 23:11

@ux-3:

Please before posting read ALL thread!!!

This problem with demo version of DVD2one and Sony Players had been posted many times.

Demo version of DVD2one DOESN'T WORK CORRECTLY WITH SONY PLAYERS, however full version works correctly...

Antonio S.

gampt

31st January 2003, 00:21

m3taPT:

If you are expecting CCE quality why don't you stick to CCE?
Why is it that every time some new software comes out CCE freaks have to flush it down the toilet. The truth is if your wife can't see the difference there is a possibility, it's only in your mind.

GAK

31st January 2003, 01:17

I agree with Gampt.
DVD2ONE is quite an Innovation for a 94k program.
After using the excellent programs like Ifoedit, scenarist, TMPGEnc, smartripper, rempeg, subripper, and dvddecrypter for a long time, DVD2ONE looks very good on pc and my sony ns400.
I would like to see the application to be able to do
multiple titles as the author has in hope for future versions.

By the way, the author states not to use NERO to burn.
Having used both Prassi and Nero with good results, is anyone having problems with the Nero software? (current version 5.5.10):)

valnar

31st January 2003, 03:28

GAK,
The big issue is Nero defaults to ISO mode where most DVD's are UDF. You can force this with Nero, but it's more reliable (and automatic) with Prassi PrimoDVD. Prassi also checks the structure of the VIDEO_TS folder before burning.

While it may work on your current DVD player, I doubt it will be the last DVD player you own. 'Might as well burn it right! ;)

Robert

mordant

31st January 2003, 04:24

Well, I went an purchased DVD2ONE - the site is working again - and I still get a "encrypted data" error that stops the program. So, looks like I blew $40 for nothing (that's $60 Canadian). =)

I just can't believe I'm the only person having a problem.

I've tried ripping with DVDdecrypter, in File/Ifo/and Image mode. Also tried Smartripper. Is there another ripping tool I could try? Tried 2 DVDs, same error. Error doesn't always come up in the same place or same VOB even on the same rip.

acidsex

31st January 2003, 04:38

is there a program that can rip vobs stored on the hard drive so that it can create the list for dvd2one read for its trasncoding? smartripper is one i havent had success with. any others?

perhaps even a way to create a virtual dvdrom drive and dump the 13 gig files to the virtual drive and have smartripper rip it from there.

any advice? womble mpeg2vcr is too expensive.

Goldfinger_007

31st January 2003, 04:46

you can use IMGtool to create an image of the vob files

'Daemon Tools' can be used to mount images, to act as a virtual drive

2COOL

31st January 2003, 05:14

Originally posted by mordant

I just can't believe I'm the only person having a problem.

Nope, kdiaz is having this problem too. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=44546

Maybe a longshot theory but maybe it's your DVD-drive that you use for reading?

2C:cool::cool:L

mordant

31st January 2003, 05:25

I only have the one drive in my machine (pioneer 104) and I've ripped DVDs for use with other types of programs no trouble. Thanks for pointing me at someone else having the same trouble...somehow comforting =)

I'm trying smartripper again with CSS check at every chapter to see if that makes a difference.

Raedon

31st January 2003, 06:17

Originally posted by mordant
Well, I went an purchased DVD2ONE - the site is working again - and I still get a "encrypted data" error that stops the program. So, looks like I blew $40 for nothing (that's $60 Canadian). =)

I just can't believe I'm the only person having a problem.

I've tried ripping with DVDdecrypter, in File/Ifo/and Image mode. Also tried Smartripper. Is there another ripping tool I could try? Tried 2 DVDs, same error. Error doesn't always come up in the same place or same VOB even on the same rip.

You have to be doing something wrong.. I've not had one problem with this program except for transcoding quality... but even then it still works.

maybe your pointing the source on the dvd not the HD

ux-3

31st January 2003, 07:40

Originally posted by Antonio S.
@ux-3:

Please before posting read ALL thread!!!

This problem with demo version of DVD2one and Sony Players had been posted many times.

Demo version of DVD2one DOESN'T WORK CORRECTLY WITH SONY PLAYERS, however full version works correctly...

Antonio S.

Why don't you go away and try to memorize the robshot thread?
:angry:

He asked and noone else replied. I recalled my own experience and answered. Had you had the curtesy to remind him of some info strewn in somewhere in an 11 page thread, I wouldn't have bothered. But your great contribution is to report hearsay and to spin the crystal ball...

mordant

31st January 2003, 07:48

Raedon, beleive me I want this to work.

I'm not pointing at the DVD. I use a directory called 'rip' and I don't think there's one like that on the DVD itself. I've also taken the DVD out of the drive. And I tried ripping as an image and pointing to the mounted image as well.

I updated my aspi drivers. I've tried DVDdecrypter and Smartripper. Decrypter has always worked for me in the past, just no with this program.

When Smartripper is running I see two boxes that are labled unencrypted blocks and encrypted blocks. I haven't used Smartripper before, is it normal for there to be a large number of encrypted blocks?

How about someone walking me through a click by click setup for ripping with Smartripper or DVDdecrypter for DVD2ONE?

I even tried letting DVD2SVCD rip the Vobs and got the same error.

Is there a way I can remove any remaining encryption once the rip is done? Maybe run the vobs through IFOedit?

I'm dying here, and having to re-rip this DVD over and over is getting me down =( takes 45minutes to rip.

Thanks for any help.

TyMac

31st January 2003, 08:56

Is the trial version supposed to jump from one track to the other? I get about a second's worth of video and then it jumps from one track to the next... I know it one does 30 min of video but should it not just show 30 min's worth of a ripped movie staight through?

Radioman

31st January 2003, 10:50

Originally posted by int 21h
This is completely untrue. The size of macroblocks is constant. Perhaps you should read some pages on how MPEG really works before you start misinforming people. :(

Hi int 21

How would you describe a DVD movie made with a bitrate of 400kbps instead of the more common 6000 avg. ?

I would say a bit blocky, wouldn't you ? What kind of blocks is it ? Can you explain for me and others. I have clearly missed something when you say you can go down in bitrate and have the same macroblock size. Is it that the blocks all looks the same, when you go down in bitrate, and when they are near each other forms like a big block with the same color and information ?

Nic

31st January 2003, 11:34

Radioman: you and int21 may begin to argue pointlessly over this. Please keep all flaming away from this thread (please carry on privately if necessary). And int21 is correct encoded macroblocks are always the same size, but the appearance of "macroblocking" (an unfortunate phrasing, i.e. the obvious visible "line" between macroblocks) does obviously occur more at lower bitrates and cause the same size blocks to kind of "blend".
I feel dvd2one, after slight bug fixing, will be quite revolutionary, and seeing this is the main thread for it please everyone keep it clean and on topic.

-Nic

Old1

31st January 2003, 12:13

Hi all. Have joined in the testing of this fascinating utility. Have used it to get good working copies of LOTR and Goldmember.

However, when I applied DVD2One to SW EpisodeII VOBS which had been stripped of all sound except the primary AC3 track, the final total for the files was 4.7GB, too big for one DVD-R. I don't have the original VOBS, so cannot check if pre-stripping the sound has caused this. I used Smartripper to rip the original VOBS, then IFOEdit to strip the unwanted sound tracks. I know you would not normally use DVD2One this way, but thought the result may be of interest.

Any comments?.

Old1

int 21h

31st January 2003, 16:24

Macroblocking may be an ok phrase.. or pixelation ;)

I agree with Nic though, this tool will be revolutionary depending on how the author improves upon it, and depending on what Pinnacle releases...

int 21h

31st January 2003, 16:25

Originally posted by Old1
Hi all. Have joined in the testing of this fascinating utility. Have used it to get good working copies of LOTR and Goldmember.

However, when I applied DVD2One to SW EpisodeII VOBS which had been stripped of all sound except the primary AC3 track, the final total for the files was 4.7GB, too big for one DVD-R. I don't have the original VOBS, so cannot check if pre-stripping the sound has caused this. I used Smartripper to rip the original VOBS, then IFOEdit to strip the unwanted sound tracks. I know you would not normally use DVD2One this way, but thought the result may be of interest.

Any comments?.

Old1

Sounds like some sort of a bug, try the same procedure on a different title and let us know what happens, if you replicate the problem on a different title, I'd let the author know about it.

Antonio S.

31st January 2003, 16:29

ux-3 said:

"Why don't you go away and try to memorize the robshot thread?
He asked and noone else replied. I recalled my own experience and answered. Had you had the curtesy to remind him of some info strewn in somewhere in an 11 page thread, I wouldn't have bothered. But your great contribution is to report hearsay and to spin the crystal ball..."

My point was, that if you search carefully in this (and others) forums you probably find answer to your problem...

Sorry if I hurt your feelings...
:(

Antonio S.

ux-3

31st January 2003, 20:49

Originally posted by Antonio S.

My point was, that if you search carefully in this (and others) forums you probably find answer to your problem...
Antonio S.

And my point is, that I don't have a problem. Someone else asked if others couldn't play their results on SONY. All I did was answer his question with my experience. Perhaps you are addressing the wrong guy? Or you really (could that be?) MISSED a single post from a 12 page thread? In that case, there is no excuse... Go back and read it again...:rolleyes:

mordant

31st January 2003, 20:59

I still can't get DVD2ONE to work. Same problem with "encrypted data" as stated earlier. I've gone and re-installed my old DVD-ROM and tried ripping from that to see if it made a difference. No luck.

I've even let DVD2SVCD rip the vobs with its internal tools and DVD2ONE tells me these are encrypted as well. Am I correct in assuming that DVD2SVCD decrypts as well as rips?

I've done many rips with DVDdecrypter and Smartripper, and never had a problem doing conversions with TMPGEnc...

I've tried re-installing the ripping programs and updating my ASPI drivers. I'm really at a loss here.

I'm running WinXP HOME on an Athalon T-bird 900, with a 30 gig drive and a pioneer DVD-r 104...I've since put my old ASUS DVD rom back in the system and my CD/RW drive as well.

Bodman

31st January 2003, 22:51

@mordant

Is your DVD drive patched so it reads all region disks. I sent a pioneer 104 back to pioneer (wrecked it after 9 weeks..lol) and when it came back it was no good for decrypting until I patched the firmware.

//Bodman

vljenewein

1st February 2003, 06:23

I wouldn't worry too much about a 4.4 GB limit. I just did the follwoing this evening with DVD2one:

"We were soldiers" movie.. DVD Decrypter in FILE mode. Copied some extras, and incuded the VIDEO_TS.IFO file.. always.. ALWAYS incude this one.

after having created folders of SOLDIERS_BURN and put in there 2 folders in caps.. VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS I started DVD2one
chose the folder I just ripped using DVD Decrypter.. which was, by the way, 6,071,500,800 bytes big. chose main movie, English and angle 1, and sent to my VIDEO_TS folder in the above SOLDIER_BURN folder.

about 20 minutes later were done. Close program. Open IFO edit. Go to new VIEO_TS folder just filled with the new files. Choose VIDEO_TS.IFO and load. Click "Get VTS Sectors" and it does but nothing out of place ... seems DVD2one did the repointing on the fly. Clicked on the main IFO file and clicked Region Free.. then after the regions are done (all regions) I click "save" and save as VIDEO_TS.IFO close IFOEDIT program.

Open Nero 5.5.10.0 burn program. Choose UDF. give name. click new. click and put the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS foler into my new compilation. Looks like it wont burn.. right at the end of the limit. BURNS great! Plays GREAT!! file side of the VIDEO_TS folder after DVD2one done is now 4,690,313,212 bytes. So it goes past the 4.3 GB limit with Nero.

Also did Matrix last night.. same results.. FULL DVD burned right to the Max! plays Beautifully. Plays in several set top DVDs. i've used DVD2one to make 12 movies in 3 days to single DVD5 discs

NO COASTERS! NO REGRETS in buying software.. All I want is to watch the movie, and nothing more.
Vernon
jenefarm@direcway.com

vljenewein

1st February 2003, 06:34

Just another little note: I have the seting in DVD Decrypter set to my WinASPI32 Xp 4.71.1 layer instead of the default. for what it's worth. Also I have checked main movie. When it chooses maine movie i include some of the smaller files near the top.. ie. VIDEO_TS.IFO, some same number series VOB and such. DVD2one will use what it wants. I really don't copy the whole movie to hard drive as that take a bit of time to do such a thing. I've burned a full movie from start (ripping) to watching the finished burned movie in 87 minutes.. not bad for an old geezer, huh? I'm pushing 50. *S*

Intersting. original files are sometims thigns like VTS_04_02.VOB and so on.. and when done they are now VTS_01_02.VOB Seems it rebuilds and starts from the beginning in numbering.

Don't use cheap media! Don't use CMC media from Taiwan use good DVD5 media and you won't regret buying quality.

2COOL

1st February 2003, 07:34

Originally posted by vljenewein
Clicked on the main IFO file and clicked Region Free.. then after the regions are done (all regions) I click "save" and save as VIDEO_TS.IFO close IFOEDIT program.

I know you meant to say "save as VTS_01_0.IFO". ;)

2C:cool::cool:L

mnlgw001

1st February 2003, 13:55

Ive just used the full version of DVD2One on Perfect Storm and Oceans Eleven, both of which took less than 20 minutes. Burnt to Neo Premium 2x DVD's with Nero using standard DVD settings on a Pioneer 104. Tried on my XWave Player and 36 inch Hitachi using component connectors. The results are superb.

This thread spends a long time comparing the proverbial Mini (DVD2One) and the Rolls Royce (CCE). Well if this is what the Mini can do, I cant wait for the Mini Cooper to be released, which I understand will be a free upgrade!!

This does not take anything away from the Rolls Royce which is unbeatable for weddings and special occassions, but I think the Mini is more practical for everyday occassions.

This is a damned good program which I am proud to add to my collection. Its worth every penny in my opinion.

valnar

1st February 2003, 14:09

I just backed up Tombstone - Widescreen, using a combination of DVD2One, Ifoupdate and IfoEdit.

Tombstone has three audio streams, DD, DTS and DD with commentary. I ripped out DTS and all subtitles except english with IfoEdit to give DVD2One plenty of space to work.

Used DVD2One to compress main movie to close to 4.36GB. Then removed Audio commentary track to give me more room to put menus and second VTS set back (it only has two VTS sets). Used Ifoupdate to fix IFO files and merge back together. Removed a couple FBI warnings and some other doodads with IfoEdit.

Final result? DVD came really close to 4,700,000 bytes and works perfectly minus the DTS audio track. I can't tell the difference on my 36" TV.

Unless I get an 8GB movie that can't be made smaller with IfoEdit, to below 6GB or so, I'll use DVD2One from now on instead of CCE/Maestro. All the author needs to do is fix some of the shimmering/pixel problems (which wasn't present on Tombstone). I tried to do the same with "Leon" but the result had that issue. Funny how some discs are fine, and some just don't work. Hopefully a bug fix is on its way.

-Robert

preston

1st February 2003, 22:39

I've ripped three Disney movies, ranging from 4.6GB to 5.5GB. All look great, as good as my usual re-encoding with TMPGenc Plus. No pulsating backgrounds.

Someone mentioned this briefly in the thread, but it is pretty straightforward to use IMGtool to produce an image file, which can then be burned with DVD Decrypter. The general approach is to create a movie folder, with subfolders VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS, put the output of DVD2ONE into the VIDEO_TS folder. Then use IMGTool to make a virtual drive, and turn that virtual drive into an image file, which can be burned using the write command in DVD Decrypter. More details are at

http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/ifoedit-finalprocedures.htm

This works great (zero failures for me), involves free tools, and minimizes the number of tools you are using.

via_lactea

2nd February 2003, 01:12

This program is really fantastic. I've made AKIRA and all is perfect (chapters, different audio streams, subtitles).

I only see one problem with this program: DVD2ONE fix the result really close to 4,700,000 bytes. A size option will be very usefull. With 4,700,000 bytes you can't add menus, extras, etc, using IFOupdate.

Congratulations to the developers.

blue

2nd February 2003, 02:02

:D At last....I can post! So here's my comment for this little nice prog! (Excuse my bad english!)
Done several test and can hardly see a difference compared to the original! But has anybody watched a full movie "ripped" with DVD2ONE? It does not remove the layer break so there's a little break on the same position where the layer change on the original disk occurs!

valnar

2nd February 2003, 02:07

Hi Blue, welcome to the forum.

You can remove the break with Ifoedit.

Robert

blue

2nd February 2003, 02:16

But how? I can see the layer break, but i don't know how to remove it!

2COOL

2nd February 2003, 03:57

Originally posted by via_lactea
With 4,700,000 bytes you can't add menus, extras, etc, using IFOupdate.

via_lactea,

I guess you haven't read the other big thread on DVD2One in DVD burning forum. Depending on how many audio and subtitles you have to strip out after DVD2One, you possibly can keep your menu(no bonus materials)with a little extra work. Read my posts and others in this link.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=43837&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

also,I know you really meant to say 4,700,000,000 bytes.;)

2C:cool::cool:L

beagleboy

2nd February 2003, 04:03

I couldnt stand it any longer and had to try out DVD2One, I am impressed with how well it did. I ripped the new movie Simon using DVD Decrypter and then used DVD2One and it looks great on my 36" TV using a Sony player. Took 50 minutes using a Pent 4 1.6. :cool:

This is one of the nicest things to happen to DVD back up in a year! Easy to use and still good quality IMHO.

via_lactea

2nd February 2003, 05:05

Originally posted by 2COOL
I guess you haven't read the other big thread on DVD2One in DVD burning forum. Depending on how many audio and subtitles you have to strip out after DVD2One, you possibly can keep your menu(no bonus materials)with a little extra work. Read my posts and others in this link.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=43837&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

also,I know you really meant to say 4,700,000,000 bytes.;)

2C:cool::cool:L

Hi, 2COOL: :)

Yes, I've read your post and it's very usefull. But in many DVD's I need to keep all the audio tracks. In this particular case (AKIRA) the menu is only 300 MB and no bonus... and I can't add them!!! ;)

The "SIZE BUTTON" in DVD2ONE will be very usefull for others types of DVD authoring. For example: You can add a dubbed audio track from your VHS tapes; make your own complilation with the best episodes of your favorites TV series ripped from your DVD's (DVD2ONE doesn't compress anything if the size is less than 4.3 GB )

Anyway I still think that DVD2ONE is a fantastic tool.

Thank you very much for your help, 2COOL

mordant

2nd February 2003, 06:25

I tried ripping with my other DVD drive as well so firmware for the Pioneer shouldn't be a issue, but thanks for the idea.

Other programs will use the same vobs with no trouble.

The author of the program has been trying to help me and just gave me something else I can look into...so there's still some hope =)

But its fading fast.

Raedon

2nd February 2003, 10:21

edited by admin
no warez talk here

wangofree

3rd February 2003, 17:07

I know all the "purists" will sniff and bash the usefulness of this software, but being a newbie, I'm thrilled with it.
1. It has given me some success after struggling to learn and apply the jillions of hours of reading and experimenting with all manner of software, with no true success yet.

2. Stuck with W98, it allows me to backup any dvd9 to a dvd5-r.

3. Its' quality is mediocre with some scenes of some DVD's and unbelievable with some other titles.

Now I feel good about this wonderful endeavor, and will continue to pursue it, upgrading to XP, using and crafting backups with the multitude of tools at hand, but for now, DVD2ONE is KING!!!

:D WF

easy2Bcheesy

3rd February 2003, 17:10

Some people on here are perhaps getting the wrong end of the stick with DVD2One. I believe that its target audience is not the tech-heads who re-encode everything in CCE and who dedicate hours/days of CPU time to getting a good rip. The intended audience is the less techno-literate who've just bought DVD burners and want to rip discs with the minimum of effort.

I don't rip movies, personally. I've never felt the need to master the Robshot method, or whatever. I treat my discs with care and have no real need to "back up" DVDs. But this 94K program sounded unbelievable, so I gave it a whirl with my new R1 copy of The Bourne Identity, stripping everything except the M2V and the AC3.

The result? Yes the picture is visibly inferior to the original disc. But not to anywhere near the point where my enjoyment of the film was compromised. Considering the fact that only three tools are used (DVD Decrpyter, DVD2One and the burning tool) DVD2One is an incredible achievement that will do extremely well to a different kind of audience than the average Doom9 user.

However, I'm sure that the comments and criticisms on this board will be taken on board by the programmer in order to improve his code, which is obviously a good thing for all concerned.

jdobbs

3rd February 2003, 19:08

You are absolutely right. All you pay is $43 -- and you don't even need an authoring program. Even the cheap ones are expensive and don't get me started on how much Scenarist and CCE costs...

If all you want to do is make sure that your kids can watch "Harry Potter" 500 times while dropping the disc and picking it up with their greasy kid-fingers -- this is perfect. Make the copy, lock up the original, and let 'em abuse it to their heart's desire... If it breaks, just make another copy on a $1.00 DVD-R!

I personally spent my money on DVD2ONE because it is an innovative piece of software, and the way you make sure it keeps coming is by buying it.

waldok

3rd February 2003, 19:51

edited by admin
no warez talk here.

Antonio S.

3rd February 2003, 21:05

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Antonio S.

3rd February 2003, 21:07

@waldok:

When you buy a Movie. You are not buying only a copy of the movie, you are also paying for a license that has some limitations (you can not make additional copies for sale, you cannot show it in a public or commercial place, etc.) , but also you have some rights. And one of them is that if your copy is damage you can have another copy without having to pay again for the license. Theorically, the movie studios may have to sell you another copy without charging you again the royalties. This is also the same for audio CD's and computer programs. This is like buying a car with a Taxi license, and later changing the car, you don't have to pay TWICE for the same license.

Antonio S.

Kennyshin

3rd February 2003, 23:22

$1 per title? That's very inexpensive.

waldok

4th February 2003, 00:56

Antonio, you never ever buy a movie, but indeed a copy of the movie. Buying a movie would mean paying for every right of use on this movie, an dbecoming the intellectual proprietor, which I doubt you or me can afford. This is about intellectual property and so on.
If you buy a VHS, you entitle yourself to watch it for private use only, and in some countries to make a backup copy of it. In no case could you be entitled to duplicate any other support presenting this movie. If this was true, you could also go to the theater and use your camcorder to tape a movie you already own on VHS. I doubt they'd let you proceed.
Buying a movie on a VHS support doesn't give you any right to pirate the DVD version, since it is another product, with other features, and not even published by the same editor as the VHS most of the times.
(Pity is that these days, you are not even allowed to make your own backups, but that's another story.) I don't like all these restrictions, but that's the way it goes.

If your brand new VHS copy is damaged, you go change it where you bought it without any problem. If your VHS is damaged after 2 years, well, you should have made a backup when you bought it, cause you're f***ed...

Anyway, the main point was one cannot show off here about renting 6 movies and copying them in 8 hours and pretending it was only for creating DVDs out of movies already owned on VHS. Emphasizing this kind of behaviour might in the end cause trouble to Doom9 site and forum, considering the current context of "with hunt" as far as digital copy is concerned.

Waldok:cool:

jdobbs

4th February 2003, 04:12

All you DVD2one fans -- look here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44978). I've built a utility for making full backups (with menus and extras) using DVD2one. It's a beta, but let me know what you think.

rinkel

4th February 2003, 16:48

Ok, here's my input.
I've been playing with video for quite some time now, from creating vcd's to authoring home-made movies on DVD. In between i even looked at divx.
I used the CCE method a few times, but found it quite too much time consuming to my liking (because i have other things to do, like making dvd's out of home made movies) So i sticked to rempeg. Because i was used to the svcd/divx quality this was quite a big step when i got my a03 drive.
I really don't think it's fair to compair CCE with dvd2one, it's a complete other ballgame. It would be much more fair to compair it to something like dvdxcopy, if only the pricetag.
I know Derrow is now working on it, but it will cost him a huge amount of time to repair dvdxcopy and make it something we don't laugh at (i know he can), because at this time dvd2one is the absolute winner. But hey, maybe Derrow will start from scratch. (Don't take me wrong, i've huge respect for Derrow !)

I really think this is a start for a new kind of dvd software. There will always be a huge userbase for IfoEdit, but dvd2one will open another group of people on the dvd scene.

I purchased the full version and i must say: for a first version it really rocks !!, i'm suddenly proud to be dutch again ;)

As for future enhancements:
- Emphasis on quality, let people be able to choose, quality or speed.
- User defined size
- 1 to 1 copy, including menus and all
- 1 to 2 copy, 1 disk to 2 dvdr's

Congratulations for this piece of hq coding !!

@doom9
Could there be a seperate chapter from the main forum for this piece of software, because i think it's here to stay, and other forums will then not be poluted with dvd2one stuff.

Rinkel

waldok

4th February 2003, 17:31

Rinkel,

That's a request I made in the suggestion forum to have a soecific place for DVD2one discussions (like there is one for DVD2SVCD).
I also think it would be a good thing.

Waldok:cool:

vljenewein

4th February 2003, 19:05

I agree with the separate forum idea. If you go to http://club.cdfreaks.com/ Their forum has a lot of stuff, but there is one forum dedicated to just DVD2ONE.

How long has this program been out? 1 week?? You must admit that for such a short time out program it has really cause a lot of stir not only in this forum but, in DVD Decrypter forums, Digital Video forum, LavDV forums and others.

We have movies we like to watch more than once. These are nice to back up. We also have an 8 year old that like Shrek, Disney movies, and others, and it's good to not worry about what's happened to the DVD. I took my copy of "Three Dog Night" from her sometime back as there were getting to be a lot of scratches, etc on it, and made a CD copy in Nero and gave her the copy, and put the original in my files. *S* You can encourage them, but sometimes they have friends over that are not the least bit careful.

I have made movie back ups from the old fashioned method doing everything by hand and manual cutting etc to make things fit, and using REMPEG2 to get the VBR resized a bit. Truthfully, the same movie I made with DVD2one is better than the one I fiddles with in REMPEG2. My problem was finding that sweet spot for file, or "FILES" size to fit onto 1 DVD. I ended up overshooting the Variable Bit Rate a bit and the resluting movie is not as good as the one with DVD2ONE. I paid for this program as I feel this is something really useful, and saved me a ton of time. Manually I would burn with -RW and that takes time. Once the resulting burn proved successfull I would re-burn with DVD -R for the final. With DVD2ONE, I just burn, period.

Any clues why the same set of files burned onto a DVD disc with Nero in the VIDEO_TS folder would be different to cause compatible issues? I have not experience this yet, but there have been many, many post to that effect. I always burn in UDF mode in Nero 5.5.10.7 new version. I would think a file is a file, whether you used Nero or Record Now.

avi g

4th February 2003, 23:46

sory
mpeg 2 - OK

mpucoder

5th February 2003, 00:13

One post is enough. I see you've changed your opinion of DVD2One? In your only other posts you claim it is the perfect tool. Or are you warning us that there is a fake version ciculating the web?
BTW, I've looked at the output, and it is MPEG2.

Raedon

5th February 2003, 02:30

Originally posted by waldok
Antonio, you never ever buy a movie, but indeed a copy of the movie. Buying a movie would mean paying for every right of use on this movie, an dbecoming the intellectual proprietor, which I doubt you or me can afford. This is about intellectual property and so on.
If you buy a VHS, you entitle yourself to watch it for private use only, and in some countries to make a backup copy of it. In no case could you be entitled to duplicate any other support presenting this movie. If this was true, you could also go to the theater and use your camcorder to tape a movie you already own on VHS. I doubt they'd let you proceed.
Buying a movie on a VHS support doesn't give you any right to pirate the DVD version, since it is another product, with other features, and not even published by the same editor as the VHS most of the times.
(Pity is that these days, you are not even allowed to make your own backups, but that's another story.) I don't like all these restrictions, but that's the way it goes.

If your brand new VHS copy is damaged, you go change it where you bought it without any problem. If your VHS is damaged after 2 years, well, you should have made a backup when you bought it, cause you're f***ed...

Anyway, the main point was one cannot show off here about renting 6 movies and copying them in 8 hours and pretending it was only for creating DVDs out of movies already owned on VHS. Emphasizing this kind of behaviour might in the end cause trouble to Doom9 site and forum, considering the current context of "with hunt" as far as digital copy is concerned.

Waldok:cool:

Excellent points. I thought i was in the right but my logic was off.

waldok

5th February 2003, 14:22

Pleased to see you got my point here.

Waldok:cool:

wangofree

7th February 2003, 22:27

Has this thread been exhausted yet?

:D WF

Seraphic

10th February 2003, 06:12

Compared to shrinking a movie into 2 cd's with divx and now with my new burner and DVD2one I am truly happy. I used to put up with much worse picture quality and have to wait several hours for it. Now I am saving, time, money ( 1 less DVD blank) and getting close enough to the original. I watch on a HD rear projection 48" widescreen and it looks good to me. I just put all my divx stuff in the trash. Good riddence!

I do agree about making a choice with 3 hour movies and DVDxcopy is my backup alternative in such a case. I am glad I discovered DVD2One.
My congratulations to it's creators ;)