Dvd2one

[IdentDee]

Has anyone tested this new 1:1 Copy Program "DVD2ONE"?
http://www.dvd2one.com

It uses compressed domain mpeg-2 transcoding and should be very fast.
But what about the quality?

[MrWGT]

Hi...

i've just purchased dvd2one. I tried do encode space cowboys and harry potter (german dvds, pal) and was suprised from the speed.

It took only 14min 20sec for "crunching" down space cowboys. (Source: 80 GB AVVA external in firewire case, Dest: 80GB AVVA on 845GL, P4 2GHz, MSI Hermes 845GL-P)

So ripping, converting and burning could be done in just an hour (rip 15-30 min, convert 15min, burn 15min).

The quality is very good. Only dark frames are a little to bright (my opinion).

Gerd

[fourtyfour]

servus...

At the moment, there is a hype in german community about this tool.

For those who want only movie on DVD in very good quality and dramaticly fast speed (15 min. @ 2.4Ghz, 60 min @Duron 800), it´s the All-in-one-Tool they ever searched for.

For those who want 1:1 copys like the Trilight guides, the encoding and remuxing with smartripper from hdd is very interesting.

Just try the trial and see what the tool can do.

[Jayce]

i've read on the dvd2one site that the maker is going to implant that 1:1 copy soon.
If that get's build in the programm will certainly rock and change the entire ripping scene as it is today. No need to use a large cocktail of diferent tools to make a 1:1 copy of a disk.

Personally i prefer the movie only option, because most of the extras aren't really worth watching them. There's only a hand full of movies where the extra's are really worthwile.

[Streetcleaner]

I am really surprised from this really tricky little program with 90kb...
I had the chance to test it and i am really satisfied with the results. The is the way how it goes i think.

[donkeymusic]

hello, well i have just tried to use the program and have ripped the film to my hard drive whihc is the godfather and when i have loaded it into the dvd2one software and ran it nothing happens maybe someone could tell me where i have gone wrong, thanks

[Kenwood]

Hello to all,

Downloaded the trial version this morning.
Let it chunk on Stargate and total time should be 14 mins.
However (because it's the trial version) only 30 mins. where done.
But it looked ok to me.
Very promising,

Kenwood

[Jayce]

donkeymusic:

Did the programm presented you with the audio/video/subtitle screen?
Because the way i do it, i rip the movie to my harddisk in filecopy mode with dvddecryptor (no stream processing) and then start processing.

How many title streams did the godfather present on screen one?

[donkeymusic]

it gave me just the one, but have just tried it with toy story 2 and it gave me nothing

[Jayce]

strange i just toy story 2 (region one canada) for a friend of mine in the described file mode and presented me with entire structure.

Are you also copyin the video_ts.ifo and vts_0x.ifo from your original disc? It needs that the do the detecting of the different streams.

[donkeymusic]

so using smart ripper i have to rip everythng of the dvd then????

[Jayce]

with smartripper i don't know exactly, but you have to run it in filecopy mode and select the main feature vts_0x.vob files and the matching .ifo and the video_ts.ifo.

I use dvddecryptor and it automaticly selects all the right files for me, just rip->process->burn.

[Kenwood]

Ok some more info about DVD2One.
Have ripped Stargate (PAL) in file mode to disk and selected in the file options to retain angle 1 when multiangle with DVD Decrypter.
Went ok until the 30 min limit was reached.
Started up PowerDVD 4.0 and wached te result.
At some pionts the movie 'jumps' a little bit forward (lets say some frames) and I think this happens because the movie contains several Seamless Branching pionts.
Have seen this before with other movies to (Hoodlum).
When I resize the movie with ReMpeg or TMPGEnc there is no problem !
Runs fine and no small 'jumps' forward.
Did anybody else run into this problem ?
Best greetz to all,

Kenwood

[Jayce]

Sounds like a timing problem too me, maybe you should let dvd2one handle the angle part.

My T2 Ultimate Edition also has several seamless branches, and was one of the first movies i tested DVD2one with.

It skipped frames when i let dvd decryptor do the angle retaining, but when i let DVD2one do the angle retaining it worked perfectly.

I guess either dvd decryptor does something different or DVD2one uses some other way to lock on the angles.

[harcan]

does anybody know so that this prog ain't some kind of fake?.....
i mean,that it just simply don't copy the original vob,
to make the 30 min trial look good....
in that case....i don't get surprised over the quality that it makes....
ps.pardon my english.... =)

[RB]

No, it really transcodes. Also, DVD2One is writty by the guy that wrote Remote Selector, so I'm sure it's not a fake.

[harcan]

it seems very promising....=)
smoooth playback on comp. powerdvd....

i have tried to make "dvd back ups" with ifoedit/rempeg without sucess...
works fine on all other standalone players but mine..=(
on my machine the movie is jerky with fixed intervals...that includes
even when i look through powerdvd....very strange..
can anyone tell me whats wrong?..how come
the backups work flawless on my friends standalone players?.....

[Kenwood]

Got answer from the author.
Just decrypt the whole DVD WHITOUT the multiangle processing in file mode.
DVD2One will do the angle & seamless stuff for you.
Haven't tried it yet -> tomorrow is another day.
Greetz,

Kenwood

[donkeymusic]

i am still having no luck using it buthave tried using dvd2dvdr any one any opinions on this, thanks

[harcan]

....i couldn't wait for more opinions... so i bought the prog....=)
and for the first back-up i made....i'm very pleased...=)
x-ellent speed...LOTR extended cd1..incl. 5.1 & Dts + sublang.(1hour on a laptop 1Ghz/256ram)
and the quality is good as far as i can see (32" philips....=)
..more tests will follow.....

[Goldfinger_007]

Originally posted by harcan
does anybody know so that this prog ain't some kind of fake?.....
i mean,that it just simply don't copy the original vob,
to make the 30 min trial look good....
in that case....i don't get surprised over the quality that it makes....
ps.pardon my english.... =)


have a go at working out big the original vob files would be if you took a 30 minute chunk, then compare

just used the trial and got a filesize of 1.07Gb (original would have been 1.27Gb - nothing stripped)

[Arianos]

Tested it, bought it. Did Jerry McGuire, PAL.
The IFO-VOBS were ripped by DVD2SVCDs internal routines. Total size 6.93 GB (7,441,928,192 bytes)
Took it 29 minutes to produce the final files (4.37 GB (4,694,175,744 bytes))I only stripped 1 audio and about 6 subtitles off. Watching it now, about 20 minutes into it, no problems so far.
Way to go Edwin!!!

[toolman2k]

hi all,

i dont know why u are all so screaming about this tool.sure it is amazingly fast and easy.i love it for that....but the quality is far from good.

before u all start shouting about how good it looks and its "perfect" and stuff like that....compare it to the original and and CCE encoded version....there is MUCH difference.

I tried T2 and the CCE version looked way better than the dvd2one version.the dvd2one has alot of blockiness in it, while the CCE version is almost as good as original and has almost no artifacts.

so i hope that the guy makes the encoding better.cause trust me, you all are so happy on your small tv's ....but when u beam your movies like i do....you will see LOTS of artifacts.

i have to note that i read stuff about movies of 2+ hours are looking lots worser than shorter ones.T2 that i testes is like 2,5 hours....so maybe thats the issue, but still with CCE i can get great image quality always, even with movies of 2+ hours.

i will do some more testing with other (shorter) movies and post my results.

[Arianos]

....as I was saying, Jerry McGuire is 2hrs 5 mins long, and I'm watching it on my 32" wide Sony, AND on my 3M projector (3ft wide screen), and it still looks good.
Maybe longer films suffer, but my test Jerry has "...shown me the money!!!"

I shall still use conventional ways to do my ST:TNGs, my Stagate SG1s and my fancy menus DVDs, but for regular "everyday" movies, I'm OK (I think...)

[Taxidermista]

Here you are. A little difficult test with DVD2ONE. Click to see full bmp frames:

Original (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_original.bmp)
CCE 2.66@VBR 2 pass@3326 kbps (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_cce.bmp)
DVD2ONE@3208 kbps (BitrateViewer) (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_dvd2one.bmp)

[erzug]

After testing the trial, I purchased the retail version last night. Ripped both Collateral Damage and Aliens (own) to my harddisk with DVDDecrypter (one ifo and vobs). Both movies only took about 16 to 17 minutes each and the quality surprised me. The resulting BUP, IFO, and VOB files for each movie were 4.36 GB (.01 under the limit for burning onto one DVD). The menu gave me the option of using eithe the 6 channel or 2 channel audio. I chose the 2 channel with Aliens since it is a longer movie and did not want to sacrifice video quality for the enhanced audio.
One thing I did notice, which I have since informed the author, is that when I encoded Collateral Damage with the source being one large VOB file, the results were poor (jerky video & audio) after the 25 minute mark (possibly the natural split between the original VOB files?). This is not really a problem since most rippers, unless overriden, copy the VOB files in their native 1GB state on the source DVD.
I am happy I bought the product.

[REECYCUP]

wow!
hate to say it but cce looked better than the orig.
dvd2one very blocky
plus it seems to take the sharpness out
(you can tell im not a video guru:))

[erzug]

It kind of irks me that someone would compare a $44.00 piece of software to one that runs around $2,000 (if actually purchased and not cracked, that is).

[Taxidermista]

Sorry...

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Update

Here you are. A little difficult test with DVD2ONE. Click to see full bmp frames:

Original (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_original.bmp)
a $2000 encoding with CCE 2.66@VBR 2 pass@3326 kbps (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_cce.bmp)
a $44 encoding with DVD2ONE@3208 kbps (BitrateViewer) (http://usuarios.lycos.es/taxidermista/muestra_dvd2one.bmp)

[REECYCUP]

your right!
my backups are mainly for my kids (dont want to ruin original)
so they probably wouldnt notice
tempg is free i wonder how it would fare?:rolleyes:

[toolman2k]

thanks taxidermista for the comparison. now i wont have to do so anymore :)

but this clearly shows how much the difference is with CCE. im sorry but to me it is unacceptable......and u cant expect me to ditch the 5.1 for a stereo track to keep my video watchable, come on now.

sure its cheap and superb for speed, usability and quality/speed ...but.... i rather spend $100 on it and have better video quality. i mean seriously, i am used to CCE quality, and i dont expect the same quality, that would be unfair, but i do hope it will come alot closer to it.

i mean, he also wants to make options like to keep the menu and extra's.....well thats great but then the video will suffer even more!

so i think he needs to focus on video encoding first, then the rest.....only then it will be (and become) a serious tool for people who want to watch a movie without being irritated by huge macroblocks everywhere and blurry images.

conlusion: superfast,supersmall and supereasy, but too blocky so far.

[Arianos]

Umm, just my thoughts:
I know I'm getting old and perhaps Alzheimer's has kicked in, but wasn't Private Ryan the subject of endless threads as to why there were huge problems in encoding it? And now we take it as a "typical" example for testing? My, we have grown spoiled...
Anyways, I accept the comparison bmps as the extreme that dvd2one can reach, and to tell you the truth, for first public release, I'm more than happy to have contributed to it's future development.
I wish I was THAT happy when I first encountered (and paid) Windows 3.1

Ok, so DVD2ONE IS blocky, and (of course...) unacceptable for Purists*, or for archiving of high action or long movies, for now.
I am growing quite comfortable with CCE and Maestro day by day, so, for me, no problem there. But for everyday jobs, like fast backing up those ridiculously expensive, "Collector's Items" and a bitch to navigate &*^$&*%^# Disney DVDs or the Nutcracker Barbie, I think it's WAY more than OK and well worth the time I'll save!!.

[MrWGT]

Hi...
but this clearly shows how much the difference is with CCE. im sorry but to me it is unacceptable......and u cant expect me to ditch the 5.1 for a stereo track to keep my video watchable, come on now.
If you want the best quality you've to pay for it - either time (cce) or money (buy dvd). And if you really want quality => buy the original dvd and do not use cce.

But for most of us the quality is good enough. You must consider that a normal tv set is not as sharp as your computer monitor. So most of the "unsharpness" or "blockyness" can't be seen (normal viewing distance).

Gerd

[Kenwood]

Hello to all,

Just did a rip with DVD2One from Reign Of Fire.
Well what can I say......
To me de video was ok and also the audio and subs.
Liked the result and compared it with the original.
Maybe I'am not critical enough, but I was very pleased with the result.
And even if the video quality is a little bit less,I don't care (but some members do) al long as it will fit on a single DVD-R, I don't care.
Saves me a lot of transcoding time and the program has a very easy to use interface.
And don't forget, without the resize I had to split the movie to 2 DVDR's, but it saves me the cost of one at this moment.
Let's say, 19 movies this way and the cost are out for registration have payed back and I start to 'earn' money.
And maybe, with future updates of the program, it might be possible that also the quality becomes better !
Who knows....
Just my thought, and give you all my best,

Kenwood

[ux-3]

Originally posted by erzug
It kind of irks me that someone would compare a $44.00 piece of software to one that runs around $2,000 (if actually purchased and not cracked, that is).

Just for the record: Taxidermista did NOT compare the pictures in this Forum. He just posted them. You probably looked at them, COMPARED them and didn't like the obvious disadvantage of DVD2one. You shouldn't really blame him for the negative results of YOUR comparison...:sly:

PS: I am not shouting, just emphasising...

[ux-3]

Well, a few things are unparalleled, they deserve mention first:

1. Speed... Until now, this was the most time consuming step. Now its is the quick interim action. No matter what you think about the picture quality, but the ratio of "quality vs. time" is unbeaten even in the 2 GHz League. People paddling in the 500 MHz range can actually get a DVD burner instead of a new computer and have a lift-off. I myself see more wisdom in having a 4x burner too, just to keep proportions...

2. Ease of use... Simplicity Strikes! No need to argue this one...

3. Innovation... the thing fits onto a c64 floppy disk, not even 100k. Evidently, there is a lot of work that can be saved with that small a code. Since it works one pass, it probably just computes the percentage of reduction and applies this to each frame. Possibly it weights the I,B,P frames differently, but this must be preset.

4. Now I tested it with daily chores. I let it munch on the second CD of LOTR EE, and took a look at the initial scenes at the gravestone/statue in rivendell. When Aragorn touches the statue there is some fog drifting under his arm. Changes do become apparent in a very differnt way than in an cce encoding. The Fog doesn't drift so much as that it changes pattern. Sort of a "life" game in the old computer days...

5. I then created a 3:12 hour set of LOTR EE and let loose dvd2one on the first 30 minutes. The most striking observation is the variation in quality. Some scenes are still acceptable. However, the camera pan along the river anduin and the misty mountains shows a heavy shifting effect, hard to describe. Perhaps the many motion vectors make pans hard to reduce?

6. I'll edit in here my findings of a similar cce encoding in a few hours (See point one...)

[toolman2k]

come on people.....all that are saying it looks "ok"....please compare it with CCE and then give your opinion.why would you settle for "ok" when u can have 10 times better quality otherwise? sure it takes 10 times the time, but hey quality is priority one, or did everyone just trade that in for speed?

the tool needs to be improved in terms of quality, like giving the option to choose LOW - for people who want to encode disney for theier kids, or HIGH - for people who like to have decent videoquality.

only then it will be a universal tool for EVERYONE, and not just some people who dont care much about quality or how it looks on their childres tv's. just my opinion.

[Doom9]

toolman: universal means "does anything" and without allowing full backups I doubt you can ever call this universal. And then there's people wanting to remove certain features, or replace them.. universal is the holy grail which is, as Indy showed us, really hard to obtain.

dvd2one seems an interesting option for people who value speed and simplicity over quality. I'm in contact with the author and if you want to hear it with his own words: Pro's of my program:
- fast
- cheap

Pro's of cce:
- better quality.

Imho dvd2one allows for one more category of DVD backups: movie-only speed over quality. Ain't nothing wrong with people who fall into this category but it's also of no use to try and convert people from other categories to yours, or the other way round. The movie only quality over speed category will eventually have their own simple tool which doesn't take them more than a few clicks...

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by Doom9
The movie only quality over speed category will eventually have their own simple tool which doesn't take them more than a few clicks...

if the guy just makes it so you can choose your priority, speed or quality then the prog is usuable for both groups of people.its as simple as that.if he doesnt then he will bypass a huge group of people looking for simplity,speed AND quality....instead of simplicity,speed and "if youre lucky-if your movie isnt too long" quality.

i mean now, all it does is copy the movie itself.....and people are saying its "ok"...but what if later he adds options too keep menu and/or extras ? then the quality will surely drop below acceptable standards, even for people who copy their dineys for the kids, i think. so i think he needs to improve it anyway, whether he makes it for the "speed freaks" or the "quality freaks", like me.


thats all im saying. the tool itself is great, no doubt about it.im willing to pay like $200 even (or buy the prog and donate $150) if only the quality would be more near CCE.

[Antonio S.]

Remember my friends, this is the FIRST version of this program !!! I am sure there will be more improvements and better quality when transcoding in future editions...

Antonio S.

[mb1]

Made a small quality check and wrote my findings down (http://www.dvd-svcd-hilfe.de/forum/mb1/dvd2one/dvd2one.htm) - but it is only in german language. Sorry.

[toolman2k]

Originally posted by mb1
Made a small quality check and wrote my findings down (http://www.dvd-svcd-hilfe.de/forum/mb1/dvd2one/dvd2one.htm) - but it is only in german language. Sorry.


thanks alot.this is very good stuff.

[XHusker]

First of all, I think this program falls in its own category in between making 2 discs, and having a DVD-5 source. The results obviously won't be that of a $2000 program. Most of these movies that people are compressing to fit one disc are huge in length. LOTR, Minority Report, and some of these others look horrible to me when transcoded at lower bitrates. If I wanted VCD quality, I'd stick to CD's! :) Some people are also keeping all the original features with them, I usually don't bother.
I usually aim for a movie-only dvd backup with original quality. There are many movies that just go over the size of the dvd with eliminating all subtitles, other audio tracks, and even credits. This program is invaluable for that scenario. The compression amount is barely seen. Not to mention at a substantial speed increase vs the other methods. I don't have patience for an all day encoding.
On movies that are huge in length, I much rather have a 2 disc movie backup that is original quality than trying to squeeze a huge movie down to 1 disc WITH menus and everything else. Touchy subject there, some people are for 2 discs with original quality while others say 'why bother'.
I don't mind pushing the disc button on my remote to switch to the second dvd. :) As I've been told, kids work great for that feature without having to get up out of the chair!

I will continue to test this product before I buy it.. but so far its on target to be a good addition to my overwhelming arsenal of dvd software.

~X~

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(2)Sony DRX500UL, Memorex DVD+R/W, Liteon LTD-163 DVD-ROM, Apex AD-5131, RCA RC5220P

[ux-3]

Maybe this is important: mb1 reported that one of the matrices used by dvd2one was (accidentally) inverted, so the quality of the macroblock bitrate reduction is perhaps not as good as it could be, once the matrix is structured properly...
I would support that assumption becase some disturbing effects can be observed in cases where the rate reduction is only a few percent. One would not expect to find any obvious differences with this little a change. They do appear in form of pulsating patterns, usually in dark areas when objects drift or the camera pans. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a consequence of that error. Which would spell a lot of potential for improvement.

[Jayce]

I still think that comparing a $2000 encoder with a $40 compressor isn't really fair. They both work totaly different.

A lot of people are some what spoiled by quality and i can't blame them. But if you needed to buy the tools legally you would use to do a CCE recompression your wallet would be rather empty very quick
It's not only CCE, it's also scenarist / meastro and those aren't really thing found in your local bargainbin either.

But also please keep in mind that what goes in bad, comes out bad. Neither CCE or DVD2one can make a lousy disc suddenly shine!
And try looking at the encoded picture on a real television instead of photoshops lookinglass.

I know that when i'am really watching a movie, i won't notice little artifacts or lack of detail.

[Mars-L]

How come the quality isn't the same as the original ? If it just copies (and takes out the unwanted stuff) wouldn't it be exactly the same video quality ?

[ux-3]

It isn't! Don't you read a thread before you post?

[THEMASTERFUL1]

I have purchased this program, and I think is great ! The price is fantastic, and in just a few clicks you have your movie on 1 dvd-r, now the same can't be said for the other options such as cce, also have the purist that are whinning so much actualy paid the $2000 for cce, I didn't think so. I mean come on now, its jut $40 and its very easy to use.Its not fair to compare it to cce they both do the video differently and and one cost fifty times as much as the other! I had to hang out here for months to figure out how to do dvd with cce and the other progs this one is a no brainer and I'm sure its going to become a favorite ! So it you like it support it and if you like cce spend $2000 and support it !

[BlueCup]

Personally I wouldn't use this on any movie over 7 gigs. Even that is kinda pushing it. 4+ to about 7 would be my limit. Seriously, fitting one movie that is 2hrs+ onto one DVD-R is very tough to get reasonable quality. For what this does, it's pretty good (on a reasonable movie nothing like SPR or LOTR).

Of course...quality is in the eye of the beholder. So please do not argue this opinion.

[kwag]

This is a post I replied to earlier today at vcdhelp.com:

I have some suggestions for all of you. Do your own encodes and tests, and don't rely on other people results.
Previous screenshots were probably made taking the average bit rate produced from small tests. Do a complete encode of a movie and then compare. Here's my contribution on my own test after encoding the complete "The Green Mile" with DVD2ONE including full AC3 audio, subtitles, all chapters and Closed Captions:

This is the original frame from the original ripped VOB:
http://www.kvcd.net/original.PNG

And this is the same frame from the VOB made by DVD2ONE:
http://www.kvcd.net/dvd2one.PNG

Yes, you'll see some macro blocks in this scene, because it's a fast action scene. But on the original, it's blurred too. Do you guys watch a movie in slow motion or pause ??? I don't! So for practical purposes, the movie looks identical during playback. Even on a HDTV.

-kwag