DVD2one or CCE

[hattia]

I have been playing a lot with video encoding....and recently I read some enthusiastic comments regarding the new DVD tool of the century : dvd2one !

Of course, I was curious and I tried it !!

If you have re-encoded more than 400 DVD with CCE..you become a kind of picky with picture encoding quality.

Dvd2one is far behind CCE. Ok ...it is not the same price (and it is not really the issue either huh? !:devil: )

I tested dvd2one on 5 movie. I wasn't really sastified with 2 of them.

One had some weird yellow lines at the top of the picture...I assume dvd2one screwed up the subtitle???!!.

The second one had , just for a few secends, some weird pixelisation effect.

Furthermore, for a movie which lasts more than 2h...you can really tell that DVD2one encoding is far to be perfect. You just need to look closer a static background of a scene...

I agree. Dvd2one is a miracle to compare it to re-mpeg...I will keep an eye on it....in case of if catches up CCE....:)

[gnutellafan]

I havent tried it as extensively as you but your comments make me concerned about using DVD2one to backup my DVD collection. Of course it is much simpler but I wonder what kind of work is being done to improve the image quality?

[dud_bud]

I have 2 standalones hooked up to my TV. I put the original Fight Club DVD in one standalone and the DVD2ONE-transcoded DVD in the other player. I played both movies from the exact point in the movie on Video1 and Video2 channels on my Sony Wega 32inch (the players are hooked up to different video feeds). I was able to switch back and forth between the original and the burned CD to analyze the difference in the quality of the playback. By my estimates, this CD was transcoded at around 80%. Results; there was some slight washout in color saturation, but very little. It was actually much better than I expected at 80%. I personally couldn't tell much difference and I watch details VERY closely. There was zero pixelization and no problems with static or dynamic scenes. I have had nothing but excellent results with about six DVDs do far, except for one time, when I was running other programs and using CPU resources and running DVD2ONE at the same time. Walk away from the PC while DVD2ONE is doing it's thing and it may help. CCE and ReMPEG simply take 2 much time for when I see such an insignificant difference over DVD2ONE. Of course, this just happens to be the right recipe of programs for my setup. I wish you the best. By the way, I transcoded this DVD in 22 mins...

[flaystus]

Haven't done any in depth testing yet, but I did play with DVD2ONE and as a CCE user (I uses CCE through custom settings in DVD2SVCD) I must say they dont even compair.

The video DVD2ONE created looks bad to me and I was only playing it on my 17 inch monitor... and not even full screen at that!

However I really dont think they are ment to compair. I think many rempeg users will be fine with DVD2ONE... however as a CCE users, no thanks.

[dud_bud]

Keep testing and you might be surprised -I was. I compared the DVD ORIGINAL to the DVD2ONE transcoded DVD and there wasn't much difference on a Sony 32" TV. Of course, I wasn't watching it on a pc monitor like you, but rather a 32" Sony. I watched the transcoded DVD on my 17" pc screen and noticed a few more flaws that didn't show up on the TV screen, but I only burn DVD's to watch on my TV so how they appear on TV is my main concern.

I don't think the cost of CCE is realistically affordable for most people who just want a near original image, when you compare it to the cost of DVD2ONE.

And honestly, I'm willing to give up the so-called significant improvement that CCE provides (which I personally haven't noticed) in order to back-up a DVD in 22 min vs. 12 hrs, and I'll save hundreds of dollars over the software cost, unless of course the user is pirating CCE.

[Chumboy]

comparisons of dvd2one to cce seem spurious.
need to compare to the original, not another encoder.
i've done 12 dvds with dvd2one and the video quality difference is negligable.
perhaps when i upgrade to the 100" projection screen, it will become more obvious.
until then, imho, i'll switch from cce to dvd2one.
everyones perception of "quality" is slightly different.

[atreides93]

I just did a comparison between CCE 2-pass VBR and Dvd2One. Big difference!! the CCE encode was definitely superior. The big difference I noticed was in black areas. There is a scene where a guy is in front of a dark stage playing the violin, and in the DVD2ONE copy, you can see shimmering and weird pixellation effects around his sillhouette and in the black areas of the stage.

On the CCE version, its solid black and i get no shimmering effect or pixellation. The movie was almost 2 and a 1/2 hours.

I guess it really is up to the individual whether its good enough or not for what they want.

[dud_bud]

I agree. CCE, in my tests wins over DVD2ONE when it comes to colour saturation, especially the darker colours, though hardly noticable. In fact, if we scientifically test DVD2ONE vs CCE, I bet we will find that CCE has more accurate overall rendition of the original.

Is the difference in quality worth the extra time and effort spent to use CCE? -Well you have to be the judge. For me, I tested DVD2ONE against the original DVD, side by side, and noticed only a marginal difference between the two and the transcoded DVD was done at around 80%.

The quality is wonderful for me, especially cosidering the total back-up time from inserting the original DVD into my drive to inserting the finished back-up DVD into my standalone was about 80 minutes.

[liquiddecay]

like many, I too have done some testing to determine the quality of CCE vs. DVD2one.

My conclusions (mind you I'm no expert on DVD's, rather just a heavier user):

-the quality afforded by CCE is better than DVD2one, hands down!

-that being said, the quality provided by DVD2one is still excellent considering the transcoding time (20-35 min, depending on movie)

-affordability (because I KNOW nobody uses pirated software in these forums!!): $40US(DVD2one) vs. $thousands(CCE); DVD2one is the winner

-total backup time of a movie reduced to nearly 1/10 by DVD2one

-final analysis: DVD2one worth it's weight in gold due to the low cost (nearly anyone can legitimately afford to buy it), low transcode time, and very good quality.

I may get some adverse response concerning quality, but here's the way I look at it: since a person can only make backups of movies they own, a slight reduction in quality shouldn't matter all that much considering they have the original on the shelf if they want the best quality. Otherwise, this reduction in quality can be forgiven and overlooked due the benefits that it brings to the table.

I consider the program a HUGE step in DVD backup arena. Remember that this is only the first version. People often forget that it can take years to perfect any kind of software. With such results on the first try I am anxious to see the future versions (from what I hear, you'll be able to backup the menu, extras, and movie to a single disk in about the same amount of time).

As for me, I think I will switch to DVD2one unless there is a movie that I consider a "must-have with perfect quality," at which time I can always revert back to CCE.

Just remember that quality is in the eye of the beholder.

[Chumboy]

i just backed-up "The Others"
talk about a film that has plenty of dark shadows and gradient-to-black scenes.
not one frame on the disc had any pixellation or "blotches" in the black or gradient areas.
it came out perfect.
i'm quite picky about my video, but i don't see what other people are seeing when they say that dvd2one doesn't produce an exceptionally fine image.

2 cents.

chum

[firewired]

I've just finished backing up Queer As Folk Season 1 on 6 discs. That's more than 3 hours of video and 2-channel audio squeezed into each DVD-R disc. Results are unbelievable and look a helluva lot better than some of the other TV compilations in the market like Sex and the City: Season One.

Using the original IFOs, DVD2One would break down each disc into separate episodes (44 minute blocks) which made it impossible to compress them all onto a single disc. After some experimentation, I managed to keep the chapters intact by deleting the original IFOs first then rebuilding them from scratch using IFOEdit. After that, just minor tweaks to properly identify the audio channels.

[Will Hay]

Originally posted by hattia
....... Dvd2one is a miracle to compare it to re-mpeg...I will keep an eye on it....in case of if catches up CCE....:)

I would have thought anyone that has paid $2000 for CCE would have enough spare cash to spend a measily $50 on dvd2one and not use it if they didn't like it.
What do you think?
Will

[atreides93]

Chumboy,
how long is the OTHERS? I think you'll only see the pixellation problems with movies longer than 2 hours. Like the movie I tested was 2 hours 23 minutes.

Also, it might show up more in movies with 4:3 while letterbox and progressive film content wont' need as much. The movie I tried it on was 4:3 interlaced...they need the most bitrate of anything.

[Chumboy]

atreides93,

the others is 101 minutes.
i also did braveheart (177 minutes) and didn't notice.

go figure?

[firewired]

I've done JFK: Director's Cut which is 205 minutes long and the results were still pretty good. I noticed some pixelation during the 8mm handheld sequences when viewing on my PC's 17" monitor, but these were barely discernible when I burned the DVD and played it back on my 34" direct view TV.