Copying a DVD-9 to 2 DVDRs Guide Need Fixing?

[Josh]

So I take it from reading others posts about the guide Copying a DVD-9 to 2 DVDRs updated on 11/20/02 doesn't work? It seems a lot of people haven't been able to get it to work using that guide. Are we all doing something wrong, or does the guide need updating, or is such a thing impossible with ifoedit? Thanks.

[Josh]

I'm trying this guide now, and disc 1 is burning now without any file reallocation errors, so I think it works. Here's the link if anyone wants to try it out. I could never get the Doom9 guide to work for some reason.

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/9893

The guide works in the link above!!! Just follow this guide!

Yeah, Disc 1 burned perfectly following that guide on the link above. I'm trying to figure out why the Doom9 guide doesn't work, and I think the problem comes when adding the extras, or not taking one off of the end section probably. Other than that, the guides are pretty similar. I even used the DVD-Video in the Nero wizard to burn it and it had no problems, and plays fine.

Another possible problem is that the Doom9 guide says to copy all of the VTS_01 stuff to the 2 disc folders, when in fact ifoedit already does that for you when it splits the discs and copying over those may mess it up.

I just added a bonus material, and the disc worked perfectly too, along with the bonus material I added. No problems burning either. To add bonus material, just copy and paste over the other VOBs (excepot for VOB_01) to one of the discs. Make sure you don't make the disc over 4.38 GB. Don't do anything else, just burn it. You don't need to get VTS sectors or anything. Caution though, I have a feeling if you put the VOB_01 in there it may mess it up as I think that's the title menu, but ifoedit make a title menu anyway so that would put 2 title menus in there. I'm not going to test that since I feel there's no need.

*One observation with adding the bonus material, when you add bonus material it doesn't play on windvd, but does play fine on the standalone dvd player, as well as the bonus features added. The dvds split with just the movie only on them play both on the computer and the standalone.

Also, the Doom9 guide needs to make a note that you don't need to get VTS sectors on the newly created disc 1 and 2, it fails to mention that ifoedit .94 and later already do that. It just says the rest of the instructions are on a seperate page, which tells you to get the VTS sectors. That may mess it up too.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Please keep us updated with your findings :)

[Josh]

Ok, will do. I just tried adding the some bonus materials, and did Get VTS Sectors only for the VIDEO_TS.ifo, and it still didn't play on windvd. I didn't bother trying it on the standalone. Right now I'm trying get VTS sectors for all of the ifos and seeing if that makes a difference. I'm not too worried about fixing the windvd problem, as following the guide above and what I wrote earlier for adding bonus materials works on the standalone, that's all I'm concerned about. But if this solution works, I'll let you know, as well as any other experimenting I do. Anyone else try the guide, or adding bonus materials from the way I suggested? I burned Armeggedon and Lord of the Rings extended version and it burned perfectly for both of those movies and they both play fine in the standalone, as well as the extras.

[2COOL]

I haven't looked at the Doom9's DVD-9 to 2 DVD-5 guide since November 2002. I pretty much memorized the guide since then with a little personal adjustments on picking my correct split points so that I can easily disable my chapters in both disks' scene selection menus. I've done a few cheat sheets on splitting specific movies but have done alot in general. I've managed to backup everything off the original DVD and retain, by preference, all my non-movie files(bonus materials) on the 2nd disk. I can do Get VTS Sectors all day and it doesn't make my DVD go bad. Doom9's guide works is all I can say.:D

[Josh]

I did Get VTS Sectors on all the ifos for the disc, and it played on the computer as well after a minute and on the standalone too, so I agree with 2COOL I don't think that was the problem.
I agree, the Doom9 guide is mostly right, but from my personal experience and a lot of posts from others I've read, a lot of others have had problems with it. I never got it to work the several times I tried it. The only different things I see between the 2 guides, is that Doom 9 says to copy the titlesets VTS_01s to the 2 disc folders (which ifoedit already creates in the VTS_0s it appears), and Doom9's guide also doesn't mention or tell how to remove 1 off the end sector. Those 2 things there may be what was messing up the rest of us, I don't know. But I have never gotten a file reallocation error following the above guide on afterdawn, nor burned a coaster, and every dvd plays great. You didn't mention 2COOL if you're following the Doom9 guide to the teeth (you mentioned you haven't looked at it for a long time), for example copying the original VTS_01 stuff to both new discs like in the Doom9 guide, and not removing 1 off the end sector which isn't in the Doom9 guide either. (Derrow mentions that needed to be done in another post as well http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33120.
All I know, is following the Doom9 guide to the letter doesn't work, but following the guide above to the letter works.

Update 3/2/03- It's ok to add the vts_01 files (if the movie is in a dirrefent file set! Don't copy the originals over ifoedits new movie). Sometimes you need to to make the menu and movie work. Also, Doom9's guide is fine, other than the fact it needs to add the remove 1 end sector to it. If you need help knowing what settings ifoedit should be on, look at their guide.

[2COOL]

Josh,

I revisited Derrow's IFOedit: Copy a DVD-9 to 2 DVDRs Guide, last updated on 11/20/02. To reiterate, I understood the guide then and I still do now but you have to keep in mind that my level of technical comprehension was higher than average. I can pick up on technical stuff quicker. But I know not all people can be realyy technical so I read the guide again at a "real" newbie" point of view. the more I read, the more I wanted to rewrite some sentences. I agree with you that this guide may be old but to be honest with you, it's still workable. I did see alot of sentences that needed to be more clarified and simplified especially to a person who has just starting to do DVD backups. Especially in step 2.

Programs get revised so often and when a guide exists, that too has to be updated. Derrow probably had this on his to-do list but didn't have the time to do it. A lot of people knew he had a pretty tight schedule back then. Maybe he prayed someone else would take up the challenge and come up with one. Josh?;)

[Chibi Jasmin]

Just to double-check...this removal of one off the end sector has to be done only in the VTS_XX_0.IFO that corresponds to the main movie I just split and only on disc1, not for the copied extras and not for any other ifo. Just for the one ifo from the main movie and just on disc 1...

Is that correct?

BTW: If I understand Doom9's guide correctly, it says, every disc needs a VTS_01 titleset and you should copy vts_01_0.vob/ifo/bup from the original disc into both disc1 and disc2, if it's not there already (newly created by IfoEdit), which is the case, if the movie is the first titleset...you should not overwrite the files from IfoEdit...if the movie is, for example, title set 02, ifoedit creates new vts_02_ifo/bup and this has not to be altered, as it corresponds to the split movie now...

That leaves us with the question: Is that end sector -1 thing the key to success? I am still playing with this...can anyone let me know, please what is the difference between a disc with this end sector -1 thing applied and without it (I know some Nero versions don't burn without it, but apart from that). What is supposed to be the problem with a disc without the sector patch?

And did I get it right, that Get VTS Sectors on all IFOs on the final disc1 and disc2 didn't mess anything up and made it play in WinDVD, where it didn't play without Get VTS Sectors?

UPDATE
I read about the sector fix here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33120) and it seems to at least make sense...by comparing start and end sector for each cell id on original disc and the split discs, it really seems to be one too much for the last end sector of the first disc...

What I am still missing is information on, what problems arise, if one doesn't fix this end sector, as I am just starting to play with this...anyone?

[Josh]

The removing the 1 end sector is probably the key to success. From the guide on afterdawn, yeah, it says just in the titleset and that is the only one I've been doing. But the VTS_01 stuff doesn't ever need to be copied because over if you have the box in ifoedit checked to autocopy the menus to both discs. Otherwise you're putting 2 menus on both discs from what I can tell. I don't know if that causes problems or not. So I don't think you should ever need to copy those over.
Yeah, from my testing the Get VTS sectors didn't mess anything up, and it played on windvd too (it took it about a minute to finally start playing). So that may not be a bad option to add in there.

Update 3/2/03- It's ok to add the vts_01 files. Sometimes you need to to make the menu and movie work.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
The removing the 1 end sector is probably the key to success. But the VTS_01 stuff doesn't ever need to be copied because over if you have the box in ifoedit checked to autocopy the menus to both discs. Otherwise you're putting 2 menus on both discs from what I can tell. I don't know if that causes problems or not. So I don't think you should ever need to copy those over.
Yeah, from my testing the Get VTS sectors didn't mess anything up, and it played on windvd too (it took it about a minute to finally start playing). So that may not be a bad option to add in there.

I just split a dvd with the main movie in vts 10 and ifoedit did not copy over the vts_01 automatically...the doom9 guide wants to say, that vts_01 has to be present on every disc, if it's the main movie, that's no problem (ifo edit creates the files), you don't need to copy them over (you MUSTN'T). But if that's not the main movie, you have to copy them on both discs...as far as I understand...

would you finally tell me, what problems you have, if you don't do the -1 sector fix?

[Josh]

I haven't copied over the VTS_01s on my 2 movies and they're fine. Neither movie has any VTS_01s on it, and neither movie had 01 as the main movie either. The guide on Afterdawn doesn't say to do anything with them either.
The problems we all seemed to get before was the file reallocation error. Basically, with whatever program you used to burn it (Nero, Image Tools, etc), you basically just made a coaster.
I still haven't ruled out the possibility that the VTS_01s might have something to do with the problem either. If someone wants to test that and copy those over to the 2 newly created discs if they're not present please post and let us know if that causes file reallocation erros, and if it plays fine.

Update 3/2/03- It's ok to add the vts_01 files. Sometimes you need to to make the menu and movie work.

[2COOL]

Okay, about the -1 sector stuff. I've read the thread and to tell you the truth, I have never done it. All I do is use Imgtools with reallocation unchecked and burn. I've always been using Nero's 5.5.17.9 API at this time. This has worked for me. Of course, you'll have alot of arguements on what the best burning method for compatibility. Before anyone replies "Use this software...", I'll pre-respond by always saying "My stand-alone Sony player does not like Data DVD movies." :sly:

Did you guys try using Imgtools with reallocation unchecked? Right now, I using v0.95. There are higher version but I stick to the one that works for me. :D

[Josh]

I agree with 2COOL about the data DVDs, those never work in my Pioneer standalone either. 2COOL, try removing 1 end sector on the first disc only, in the main title only, and I have a feeling you you'll be able to leave the box checked for reallocation in image tools or the DVD-Video option in Nero too, and I don't think we'll get any more reallocation errors. I think the end sector is the culprit behind the reallocation problems.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
I haven't copied over the VTS_01s on my 2 movies and they're fine. Neither movie has any VTS_01s on it, and neither movie had 01 as the main movie either. The guide on Afterdawn doesn't say to do anything with them either.
The problems we all seemed to get before was the file reallocation error. Basically, with whatever program you used to burn it (Nero, Image Tools, etc), you basically just made a coaster.
I still haven't ruled out the possibility that the VTS_01s might have something to do with the problem either. If someone wants to test that and copy those over to the 2 newly created discs if they're not present please post and let us know if that causes file reallocation erros, and if it plays fine.

I see, so play testing the disc was out of the question, because, if you got it burned at all, it was completely unplayable (without the -1 fix)?

All I can tell you at the moment is, I have created a few disc images (with ImageTools V0.89) with the VTS_01 copied over (main movie was another titleset) and the images worked fine...I didn't burn them as of yet...I don't think, it hurts copying them over, since it doesn't hurt copying the other titlesets (extras)...I am still not sure, but I also think, Get VTS Sectors is a good thing to do at the very end of your process before burning or creating images...

One more thing...I just tried creating a DVD with Nero and it complained about files not being there (reallocation error), such as VTS_01_1.VOB, VTS_02_1.VOB and so on, which is the extras I only have on one disk...do you guys ignore this, when burning with Nero? I only tried ImageTools 0.89 for IMG-creation so far...???

Maybe this is the thing you all been talking about? But this is with missing extras...!? I don't get it...

Update
I found out something more...following Doom9's guide, I copied all VTS_XX_0.VOB,IFO,BUP sets (without the VTS_XX_1.VOB) over to both discs, for every VTS_XX_0.VOB that existed...on the one disc without extras (where the corresponding VTS_XX_1.VOB was missing), Nero complained...I will try leaving them out altogether (including VTS_01_0.VOB, Doom9's guide also says, this has to be on both discs)...Doom9 said it's needed for the menu and in fact, checking some of them with Vobrator reveals part of the menu...well, will try...

This probably leaves me with one disc without extras and with half of the menu...anyone knows a way to kill the complete menu on one disc and just have one half of the movie on it?

Update
This leaves me with an unplayable disc (at least from HD on my PC)...probably because VTS_01 is missing? Maybe this is not mandatory for some standalones, but on PC? Don't know...well, I could include VTS_01_0.vob,ifo, bup and vts_01_1.vob...if it's not too big...should work then...but I still have half of a menu then...and holes in the dvd structure VTS_01, next is VTS_10...are not that nice, too, I have heard...so same question: how to get just the movie (the one half from the split set), without any extras/menu on one of the discs? I am playing with the Create New Ifo (movie only) option in IfoEdit right now, will keep you posted.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Okay, after playing a bit, I have finally come up with a method, which at least seems to work on the one disc I've been playing with all the time...I will retest this from scratch, but share with you first...

The following method leaves you with a DVD-9 split to two discs, with menu and everything else working on one disc (except one half of the movie missing), and just the other half of the movie with nothing else on the other disc, no reallocation errors!

It's not edited yet for being understandable, more or like my own notes, but I think you'll get through it...

here it comes:

- Make Full Rip of the DVD (all files)
- Split to 2 DVD-R with IfoEdit, open main movie ifo and check:
correct Vob-Unit, Correct orig. IFO-Files, Split to 2 DVD-Rs, Create subfolders, Autocopy Menu-files
Vob-expert: Remove P-UOPs, Remove Macrovision, Adjust Vob-Unit pointers, adjust audio/subp. pointers, VOB-Size 1 GB! Select split point etc.
- Disk 1: open VTS_XX_0.ifo (split movie) from Disk 1 with IFOEDIT. Click on VTS_C_ADT at the top. Scroll all the way to the bottom (LAST end sector
entry) and double click next to END SECTOR and reduce the value by 1. Click save and resave it over the VTS_0x_0.ifo you opened. It will ask if you want
to overwrite. Press Yes, then OK. -> this corrects a bug in ifoedit splitting, if you don't do it you get nero file reallocation error.
- Copy all extras and menus to one of the discs (vts_XX_0.vob,.ifo,.bup + corresponding vts_xx_1.vob, vts_xx_2.vob etc.)
- on the other disc (without extras) delete everything except vts_xx_0.ifo,.bup (xx=main movie here), and the main movie vobs (vts_xx_1.vob, vts_xx_2.vob
etc., normally vts_xx_0.vob is not part of the main movie (check!), but some menu, in that case you also delete it)...rename all files from vts_xx_* to
vts_01_*, open vts_01_1.ifo in ifoedit (This is for keeping chapters...if you delete the old ifo and reauthor with ifoedit, you lose chapters. Note that
with this method, chapter numbering always starts with chapter 1 and you just get as many chapters as there are on that particular disc!)
and choose:
vob extras, create new ifo:
Corr. Vob unit, Corr orig. ifo, create new ifo.
Vob-expert: Remove P-UOPs, Remove Macrovision, Adjust Vob-Unit pointers, adjust audio/subp. pointers, VOB-Size 1 GB!
copy all newly created files to the disc (overwriting old ifos etc.)
- Load VIDEO_TS.IFO into IfoEdit and press the Region free button (for both discs) and save
- Load VIDEO_TS.IFO and press the Remove P-UPs button at the bottom (for both discs) and save
- load any of the IFO files from each(!) disc, then press Get VTS sectors. This will adjust all IFO files and overwrite the old ones with the adjusted ones.
- Ready to burn: Make image or burn directly..

Let me know, what you think...

[Chibi Jasmin]

Okay, I redid the above procedure from scratch and it still seemed valid.

I am still left with the following minor problems (disc 1 is the one with the menu and extras):

1. Language selection while movie playing not possible on disc 1, when using ZoomPlayer (other players fine), works from menu...might be ZoomPlayer, or might be an issue with the Ifoedit's split procedure that only comes up with ZoomPlayer...

2. Seeking impossible in the short intro movies (adverts and stuff), although all UOP removed (with all tested players) in disc1. On the original disc, you can't skip these intros, but on the rip, after removing UOPs you can skip them just fine, but you still can't seek...I checked all IFOs and there were no prohibitions...what can be the cause?

Anyone has an idea about one or both of the above problems?

Update
Issue number one is gone, after creating an image with imgtools 0.89...before I have just been playing the video_ts folder directly from hard disk. Language selection is fine with the mounted image, also in ZoomPlayer...anyone knows why?

Issue number two remains also in the created image. Maybe it's
this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42991).

[Chibi Jasmin]

Okay, one more, for some reason, I can't disable subs in the extras...although UOPs removed (I can disable them now in the main movie, which was not possible before)...no UOPs in the IFOs...anyone could imagine why?

[Josh]

Yeah, your updated guide looks ok from what I can tell. Yeah, it's nice not getting those dumb file reallocation errors! Yeah, if that end sector isn't removed and you get the reallocation error, you get a coaster if you choose to ignore it.
As far as the sub problems, I have not yet had that issue. The only thing I see is to not copy the menus (VIDEO_TSs and VTS_01s) over manually because ifoedit does that already for you. No need to have them on there twice. If you watch ifoedit autocopy the menus at the end of splitting the discs, it looks like it puts the menus in the VIDEO_TS items. Maybe there's a conflict there putting 2 menus on it. I'm thinking correct right, that the VTS_01s is the menu stuff?
I also don't delete anything anywhere from the newly created disc1 and 2 folders.
I agree the Get VTS sectors is probably good, but I don't like copying and pasting over the new files in the disc 1 and 2 folder, ifoedit already has those files made properly in those new folders all ready to go. But if extras are added, then yeah, get VTS sectors. If no extras, just remove the end sector on disc 1 and burn.

Here's my personal preference, in simple terms:
1. Split discs with ifoedit (using all the settings you said)
2. Remove 1 end sector from disk one (like you said how to do).
3. Add all the other extras: VTS_XX.ifos/vobs/bups except for 01. (Optional)
4. Get VTS Sectors on all ifos if extras are added. Otherwise skip this step.
5. (Optional) If you like, there is a way to get the DVD to jump to the movie and not to the menu upon insertion.
To do this, open VIDEO_TS.ifo in Disk 2 directory with IFOEDIT.
Click VMGM_MAT toward the top.
Then press the + next to it and highlight FIRST PLAY PGC.
Scroll to 000000f4 and right click and edit command.
Press Jump_TT Jump to Title and type 1 in the box beneath it (usually 1)
Press SAVE and close IFOEDIT
Now the DVD will go to the movie instead of the menu upon Disk 2 insertion
6. Burn using Nero's Wizard for DVD-Video

Let me know what you think.

Update 3/2/03- It's ok to add the vts_01 files. My oversight.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Yeah, your updated guide looks ok from what I can tell. Yeah, it's nice not getting those dumb file reallocation errors! Yeah, if that end sector isn't removed and you get the reallocation error, you get a coaster if you choose to ignore it.
As far as the sub problems, I have not yet had that issue. The only thing I see is to not copy the menus (VIDEO_TSs and VTS_01s) over manually because ifoedit does that already for you. No need to have them on there twice. If you watch ifoedit autocopy the menus at the end of splitting the discs, it looks like it puts the menus in the VIDEO_TS items. Maybe there's a conflict there putting 2 menus on it. I'm thinking correct right, that the VTS_01s is the menu stuff?
I also don't delete anything anywhere from the newly created disc1 and 2 folders.
I agree the Get VTS sectors is probably good, but I don't like copying and pasting over the new files in the disc 1 and 2 folder, ifoedit already has those files made properly in those new folders all ready to go. But if extras are added, then yeah, get VTS sectors. If no extras, just remove the end sector on disc 1 and burn.

Here's my personal preference, in simple terms:
1. Split discs with ifoedit (using all the settings you said)
2. Remove 1 end sector from disk one (like you said how to do).
3. Add all the other extras: VTS_XX.ifos/vobs/bups except for 01. (Optional)
4. Get VTS Sectors on all ifos if extras are added. Otherwise skip this step.
5. (Optional) If you like, there is a way to get the DVD to jump to the movie and not to the menu upon insertion.
To do this, open VIDEO_TS.ifo in Disk 2 directory with IFOEDIT.
Click VMGM_MAT toward the top.
Then press the + next to it and highlight FIRST PLAY PGC.
Scroll to 000000f4 and right click and edit command.
Press Jump_TT Jump to Title and type 1 in the box beneath it (usually 1)
Press SAVE and close IFOEDIT
Now the DVD will go to the movie instead of the menu upon Disk 2 insertion
6. Burn using Nero's Wizard for DVD-Video




Let me know what you think.

I have nothing copied over that IfoEdit has already done...ifoedit in my case copied over video_ts.vob.ifo.bup and did new vts_10_0.ifo.bup, copied over vts_10_0.vob and created vts_10_1.vob _2.vob etc...you can't have them twice I think, and i don't think IfoEdit does something to the menu...on this dvd the menu was spread over several titlesets...it was even in the vts_10_0.vob right before the movie....so I copied all the menu and extras onto one disc and have just the movie (one half) on the other disc, recreated with the create ifo procedure, so no dumb errors...

And I didn't copy over anything ifoedit created on the first disc...I just added the extras and menus and got vts sectors...as you can all read...for the second disc, I let ifoedit recreate the ifos as you can read and killed the menu vts_10_0.vob in my case...I didn't want half a menu, it gave me file reallocation error, I would have to copy all extras stuff also on the second disc not to have that error, so I decided to kill the menu altogether with the create new ifo procedure...you don't need the jump to title fix in that case, as ifoedit already creates an ifo just to play the movie...

I don't see a problem btw with adding vts_01...my nero always complained if I didn't have everything complete, right up to the movie (vts_10), that means vts_01_0.vob,ifo,bup + vts_01_1.vob same for vts_02_0.vob,ifo,bup + vts_02_1.vob right up to vts_09_0.vob,ifo,bup and vts_09_1.vob this is the complete menu and extras...and as I said, I didn't wanna put the same crap on both discs, I just recreated the second one to have simple movie playing ifo and the movie in vts_01 (done by the renaming and recreating procedure)....except for the subs thing (which might have another reason, UOPs are removed everywhere, still searching for a cause), the discs are fine...on the original disc, you can't disable subs for a certain language in the main movie...on the copied one you now can and you can now skip chapters of the adverts, which you couldn't do before, so removing UOPs did something...no clue, why it didn't work for the subs in the extras...I didn't find any remaining UOPs in the ifos....anyone?

[Josh]

Sounds good! Hopefully others realize they can split dvds now. That was really frustrating not being able to do it.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Sounds good! Hopefully others realize they can split dvds now. That was really frustrating not being able to do it.

Well, I never realized it was a problem...I just got my burner a few days ago and started looking into it...I was always thinking, it can be easily done...well, after a bit of research and experimentation it can indeed...I don't mind using 2 dvds for an untouched copy of a movie with all extras...like it much more than a mediocre dvd2one copy on one dvd or a hell of a lot of work with cce for a complete one dvd copy and still reduced quality, while just splitting to two dvds with original quality is so easy :-)

[Josh]

Amen! You said it! :D

[Chibi Jasmin]

:D So someone should fix the guide now as you suggested :D

[Josh]

Right. I agree.

[Josh]

Hey Chibi, have you found a way to split the dvds, with just the movie on the first disc and the extras on the 2nd? Can that be done using the ifoedit split to 2 discs? It doesn't seem like it. If so, that would be cool.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by Josh
Hey Chibi, have you found a way to split the dvds, with just the movie on the first disc and the extras on the 2nd? Can that be done using the ifoedit split to 2 discs? It doesn't seem like it. If so, that would be cool.

Of course you can do it!:) It would be just a matter of disabling which buttons in your main menus for both disks.

[Josh]

Actually,I found another way to do it. This is only for movies that can normally fit on 1 DVD if you were to do the movie only. Do the split to 2 DVD-R's, create 2 subfolders. In the options box check all boxes except for Re-Mux and Rebuild PTS. Then choose the end of the movie on the last chapter for the splitting point, check the vob-ids for the movie only and choose the streams you want.
Ifo edit will put the movie in disc one, and then you can just put all of the extras in disc 2. Ifoedit already creates the menus for both discs, so just copy and paste the extras, and get vts sectors.
Most movies I won't do 2 discs, but there are a couple of movies with some cool bonus features I don't mind doing.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Hey Chibi, have you found a way to split the dvds, with just the movie on the first disc and the extras on the 2nd? Can that be done using the ifoedit split to 2 discs? It doesn't seem like it. If so, that would be cool.

I haven't tested yet, but it should work with my procedure above...just copy the extras and menus to the second disc and do the 'create new ifo' process for the first one, after splitting...let me know, if it works...

[Doom9]

pardon for asking, but you know that you're going outside of the specs of my guide by using Nero and Nero isn't exactly number one when it comes to burning DVDs. I have tried splitting (though not many times) following my guide and burning using imgtools/dvddecrypter, it actually works, and I'm not convinced that the problem isn't the use of Nero.

[Josh]

From what we've found, Nero isn't the problem. Nero hasn't had any problems after we solved the bug (well, Derrow solved it actually. We just told everybody how to do it). The problem was reducing the end sector by 1. I couldn't get DVD to work with any program without reducing the end sector. I even tried ImageTools and it didn't work. The problem is the bug with ifoedit, reducing the disc 1 end sector. Nero wasn't the problem, ifoedit's bug was the problem. If you do reduce the end sector by 1 on disc 1, you should be able to use ANY program. You can even leave the file reallocation box checked in image tools and you won't get an error. And you can use the Nero DVD-Video option and do it that way with no errors. The key was to reduce the end sector on the 1st disc by 1.

[Chibi Jasmin]

With my limited experience, I agree...I only used Nero to check for this reallocation thing...not actually burned with it...

I remember reading somewhere that Nero might be actually stricter in enforcing some things than the specs, but what passes Nero's test should actually work...don't know, if this is true...I can confirm, that reducing the endsector by 1 on the first disc solved a reallocation problem with Nero.

Nero also enforces having the title sets complete (a vts_XX_1.vob for every set) and allows no gaps (vts_01 and then vts_03 without vts_02...). I don't know, if this is needed...this is part of the reason for the renaming and create new ifo process in my procedure above...you won't have no incomplete titlesets/menus and you will have the movie in titleset 01 at the end on the disc, that has only one half of the movie...the other disc stays totally intact except for half of the movie missing...seemed at least logical and it worked so far...I was also able to pass all of Nero's tests :)

I can't contribute more at the moment, as I just started playing with this...

BUT: I cannot confirm that Doom9's guide does burn coasters, as I never tried...I did never burn disks that had reallocation error in Nero, because I got told they are coasters. It might just as well be, that some/most/all dvds work fine with Doom9's guide, but some people seemed to have problems with it...

[Doom9]

josh: when I say Imgtools I mean version 0.89, that is the one NOT using Nero API. Imgtools 0.99.x = Nero in my eyes, it uses the same engine. And, I have burned many discs that Nero bitched about (that was the initial reason to move away from Nero) and none had any problems on the standalones I've tested them on.

[Josh]

I see what you're saying. I guess it could be Nero's API. But, I did install a lot of the older versions that a lot of other people on other posts said to use and they didn't work either. I don't mind removing the 1 end sector, the movies work fine and I don't get coasters anymore.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Well, we already read this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33120) sticky...about a possible bug (the -1 thing)...

I personally haven't got DVDSplit, but I found this (http://www.dvdr-digest.com/software/software.php?file=dvdsplit) today, where it says:

This app should fix the problem with the 'Illegal Navigation error occured'., and the "DVD Video files allocation failure" in Nero.

So at least, there was some bug...could someone (Doom9?) with DVDSplit please split the same DVD at the same point one time with IfoEdit and another time with DVDSplit and see, if the endsector is -1 in DVDSplit's version?

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Hey Chibi, have you found a way to split the dvds, with just the movie on the first disc and the extras on the 2nd? Can that be done using the ifoedit split to 2 discs? It doesn't seem like it. If so, that would be cool.

I just realised what you meant...you meant the full movie unsplit on one dvd and only the extras on the second dvd...

my answer before wanted to say that my procedure posted above works for

1. 1st half of movie + extras on 1st disc, 2nd half of movie only on 2nd disc
OR
2. 1st half of movie only on 1st disc, 2nd half of movie + extras on 2nd disc

In the meantime I tested this btw, procedure works fine for both case 1 and case 2.

But back to your question...I haven't tried that yet...thinking about it, I would create new ifo just as in my procedure for the movie, so you have one disc with the full movie on one disc...for the other disc, we could disable the button to play the movie...but we might end up with a disc nero complains about, if the movie is missing...if that is a problem, I don't know...another idea would be to leave the button as it is and replace the movie by a short dummy movie...let us know, if you tried and got it to work...

[Josh]

Originally posted by Chibi Jasmin
Well, we already read this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33120) sticky...about a possible bug (the -1 thing)...

I personally haven't got DVDSplit, but I found this (http://www.dvdr-digest.com/software/software.php?file=dvdsplit) today, where it says:

This app should fix the problem with the 'Illegal Navigation error occured'., and the "DVD Video files allocation failure" in Nero.

So at least, there was some bug...could someone (Doom9?) with DVDSplit please split the same DVD at the same point one time with IfoEdit and another time with DVDSplit and see, if the endsector is -1 in DVDSplit's version?

I like your idea about trying DVDSplit vs Ifoedit to see if it is ifoedit with the -1 end sector bug. I'm more interested in fixing the bug that will make the movie work regardless of whatever program is being used to burn the movie.

Next time I try and do the movie only on the first disc and the extras on a 2nd I'll let you know how it works. I rarely want the extras, was just wondering. Sometimes it is nice to have though.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
[B]I'm more interested in fixing the bug that will make the movie work regardless of whatever program is being used to burn the movie.


Well, what exactly is the problem? I think, if you do it with my procedure above, you should be able to get a working copy out of Nero as well as both ImgTools Versions (the one that creates an image and the one that burn with NeroAPI) and other programs...

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
I like your idea about trying DVDSplit vs Ifoedit to see if it is ifoedit with the -1 end sector bug.

I just compared DVDSplit versus my IFOEdit procedure from above.

Result:

The -1 end sector thing is NOT needed with DVDSplit, it makes the correct entry. You can set it to copy selected title sets (menu, extras) over to one of the discs (if you select all of them you're set with one of the disc, just like with my procedure). For the other disc, with just one half of the movie (assuming my movie is not in vts_01) it copies, vts_01_0.ifo, bup, vob, leaving out vts_01_1.vob and the rest of the title sets, up to the movie in vts_xx_0.ifo,bup,vob and vts_xx_1,2,3.vob...it includes full vts_xx_0.vob (which is not needed). Nero complains about this disc with the usual file reallocation error. We know, it might still play, if we burn it, but just in case you can use the create new ifo procedure, just as with my procedure on this disk...(then you have the movie in vts_01_1,2,3.vob, no vts_01_0.vob and a complete vts_01 titleset, so a complete structure, even Nero doesn't complain about).

So basically DVDSplit makes things a bit easier than IfoEdit, saves a few button clicks and the -1 correction...but result might still need some handwork to be done, as described above...

This leads us to the following procedure...

DVDDecrypter/DVDSplit (uses IFOEdit) procedure:

- Make full rip of the DVD with DVDDecrypter File mode (all files),
set DVDDecrypter to remove P-uOPs and Region Protection, if needed.
- Use DVDSplit to split to two DVDs: Select main movie title set and
suitable split point (default is layer break), in the next step
include all menus and extras on one of the discs (to have a complete
working structure with all menus/extras on the disc, even Nero doesn't
complain about), next step (which of the disks to start with movie/menu)
depends on, if you have extras/menu on disc 1 or 2. if you have menus/extras
on disc 1, select 'start only second disc with movie'), if you have
menus/extras on disc 2, select 'NO'. In both cases, we will recreate the ifo
for the disc with only the movie, so you don't have to worry about missing
menu files on that disc. (Note: You might want to experiment with leaving
out title sets, spreading extras on both discs, and the setting for which
disc to start with movie or menu and leaving out the below ifo recreation
for one disc with movie only. You then get a disc, Nero complains about, but
it might still work. The procedure as described leaves you with a complete
working disc with all menus/extras on one disc and a clean movie-only-
structure on the other). Start splitting and wait.
- on the disc without extras/menus delete everything except vts_xx_0.ifo,.bup
(xx=main movie here), and the main movie vobs (vts_xx_1.vob, vts_xx_2.vob etc.,
normally vts_xx_0.vob is not part of the main movie (check!), but some menu, in
that case you also delete it)...rename all files from vts_xx_* to vts_01_*,
open vts_01_1.ifo in ifoedit (This is for keeping chapters...if you delete the
old ifo and reauthor with ifoedit, you lose chapters. Note that with this method,
chapter numbering always starts with chapter 1 and you just get as many chapters
as there are on that particular disc! You also do this, if your main movie is
in vts_01, because it rids you of the unnecessary vts_01_0.vob, which might
contain some unused menu, as a result you get a clean structured movie only
disc, even Nero doesn't complain about) and choose: vob extras, create new ifo:
Corr. Vob unit, Corr orig. ifo, create new ifo, Vob-expert: Remove P-UOPs,
Remove Macrovision, Adjust Vob-Unit pointers, adjust audio/subp. pointers,
VOB-Size 1 GB! use other destination directory, if done, copy all newly created
files to the disc (overwriting the already existing ifos etc.)
Load any of the IFO files from this disc (movie only), then press Get VTS sectors.
This will adjust all IFO files and overwrite the old ones with the adjusted ones.
(You don't need get vts sectors for the other disc with menu/extras, if using DVDSplit)
- Discs are ready to burn. Create image with ImgTools 0.89 and burn with
DVDDecrypter (ISO Mode), or burn directly with Nero or ImgTools 0.99.9 (uses
NeroAPI).

[Josh]

Originally posted by Chibi Jasmin
Well, what exactly is the problem? I think, if you do it with my procedure above, you should be able to get a working copy out of Nero as well as both ImgTools Versions (the one that creates an image and the one that burn with NeroAPI) and other programs...

No, I know your method works because I use that method too. I'm just stating that there was a bug in ifoedit and that you had to fix the end sector thing.
That's cool about DVDSplit.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
No, I know your method works because I use that method too. I'm just stating that there was a bug in ifoedit and that you had to fix the end sector thing.
That's cool about DVDSplit.

DVDSplit seems to be cool anyway...it's faster [Quote from DVDDigest: And it is even faster then IfoEdits implementation, cause it doesn't need to correct VobUnit pointers .-) ] and does basically the same, although it still needs some handwork for a totally clean structure, as pointed out above...

Here's some more info:

Differences between IfoEdit-split and DVDSplit:

1. DVDSplit leaves VIDEO_TS.IFO's VMGM_MAT to Region 1-8 enabled Regional Code Mask 0
(this was set by DVDDecrypter's Region Free), where IFOEdit's Region Free button sets
Region 1-6 and 8 to enabled with Regional Code Mask 64
2. On Disc 1 DVDSplit sets number of chapters for the split main movie title in
VMG_PTT_SRPT (VIDEO_TS.IFO) to the real (after split) number of chapters, where IFOEdit's
split leaves it at the full number of chapters from the original disc. The difference is
whether you see full number of chapters on Disc 1, where the last chapters all point to the
last real existing chapter on Disc 1 (IFOEdit), or you see only real existing number of
chapters (right-clicking in software dvd-player for direct selection, don't know about
differences for standalones)
[Editing this to the real number of chapters after IFOEdit splitting has been recommended
by Derrow anyway on http://ifoedit.wh.fr0zen.com/splitdvd.html. But there it is
recommended for disc2 also, which screws chapter selection on the second disc!]
3. On Disc 1 DVDSplit truncates entries in PTT_SRPTI of VTS_XX_0.IFO (main movie) to the real
number of chapters, where IFOEdit's split leaves all entries there for the full number of
chapters. This probably corresponds to number 2. Although only doing the fix in VIDEO_TS.IFO
manually after IFOEdit procedure (as in 2) [as suggested by derrow, but only in Disc 1],
leaving this one out, seems to work the same.

BTW: Did you try your project having the full movie only on one disc and menu/extras only on the other disc already? As I said, I personally would try the rename/create ifo procedure for the movie disc and use the full dvd (complete rip) dvd for the other disc and just replace the main movie with some dummy...then chapters and pointers might have to be edited, or maybe they can just be left as they are and a get vts sectors is enough? I don't know too much about this...another possibility is to do it just as in doom9's ifoedit basic guide (stripping unwanted extras/menus) and just strip the complete movie with this procedure, leaving the rest intact...

[Josh]

No, I haven't been able to get much done the last few days, I've been having computer problems, I think my Ram is going bad. Anyway, yeah, I think one of those ways should work for doing the extras only on 1 dvd. As soon as I can I'll do a test.

[Josh]

Hey Chibi, now that we've conquered the dvd splitting, we now need to figure out how to split dvds with angles. I'm trying to do Kate & Leopold now, that one is a headache trying to get right. :scared:

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Hey Chibi, now that we've conquered the dvd splitting, we now need to figure out how to split dvds with angles. I'm trying to do Kate & Leopold now, that one is a headache trying to get right. :scared:

I have never tried that, so let me know, where the problem is first, so I know what to expect...is your goal keeping the angles or selecting one angle?

[Josh]

I tried only keeping 1 angle, that might be my problem. But also the splitting point, kind of unsure where to put that at because it has 2 Program Chains with 20 chapters each. I'm not sure if I put it in the middle of one of the program chains, or at the end of Program chain 1. When I get it figured out I'll let you know.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
I tried only keeping 1 angle, that might be my problem. But also the splitting point, kind of unsure where to put that at because it has 2 Program Chains with 20 chapters each. I'm not sure if I put it in the middle of one of the program chains, or at the end of Program chain 1. When I get it figured out I'll let you know.

Yeah let me know...probably depends on where different angles appear in the movie and how often...

Maybe split both program chains in the middle!?

I am not sure, I can try at the moment at all, maybe I don't have any multi-angle discs...will have to look...

[Josh]

I've found a way, a very simple way but you get no menus or extras. I'll have to play around a little more with that. I was also having problems with Sweet Home Alabama, it wasn't a multi-angle movie but for some reason that one wasn't working either. Anyway, what I did was stripped the movie first (follwing Doom9's guide on getting the movie only with no extras) then I split the movie only to 2 discs with ifoedit using the method we came up with before. So, that's one way to do it, movie only. Sweet home Alabama has 2 program chains in it too, so that may be the cause of the the movies not working, I don't know. But I followed all the steps and Leopold and Alabama wouldn't work, just made coasters. The program chains is the culprit I think... .
For Kate & Leopold, ripped all the files with DVD Decrytpor, in the settings I chose angle 1. The in ifoedit, it has never done this before with Kate & Leopold, it game me the option for seamless branching!! Maybe selecting angle 1 in DVD Decryptor made it work in ifoedit now... I don't know why. But I chose Keep Title: PGC 2 for the longer director's cut version. And it came to 4.07GB when done to fit on one disc. I'll have to post this finding in the other posts with Kate & leopold multiangel problems, ther ehave been a few.
There may be another way just using the split discs, but I haven't found it yet. Seems like I've tried everything too.But doing the movie only first then splitting that to 2 discs works, you just don't get a menu or extras. (It may be easy to add, I just haven't attempted it yet).
And, maybe the secret to get the Seamless Branching to work in dvds is to select angle 1 in DVD Decryptor when copying the files to the hard drive. I have read other posts where poeple wanted to use that option but it was greyed out for some reason. I don't know why all of a sudden it ungreyed except for the angle 1 thing.

[2COOL]

@Josh and Chibi Jasmin,

Try doing your splitting with your problem DVDs with IFOedit 0.91. There were issues about the Angles options being greyed out in 0.95 and Derrow knew about this too. Give it a try because I, for a fact, now remember doing it with 0.91 back last December. I can't remember what movie I did but it worked for me.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by 2COOL
@Josh and Chibi Jasmin,

Try doing your splitting your problem DVDs with IFOedit 0.91. There were issues about the Angles options being greyed out in 0.95 and Derrow knew about this too. Give it a try because I, for a fact, now remember doing with 0.91 back last December. I can't remember what movie I did but it worked for me.

Well, thanx for the tip...

But a question, isn't it true, that if we want to keep all angles, it's no problem, that angles option is greyed out? Anyway, I will check IFOEdit 0.91 in case of any problems with angles...

I am also curious, what DVDSplit will make of multiangles and/or seamless branching...

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
I've found a way, a very simple way but you get no menus or extras. I'll have to play around a little more with that. I was also having problems with Sweet Home Alabama, it wasn't a multi-angle movie but for some reason that one wasn't working either. Anyway, what I did was stripped the movie first (follwing Doom9's guide on getting the movie only with no extras) then I split the movie only to 2 discs with ifoedit using the method we came up with before. So, that's one way to do it, movie only. Sweet home Alabama has 2 program chains in it too, so that may be the cause of the the movies not working, I don't know. But I followed all the steps and Leopold and Alabama wouldn't work, just made coasters. The program chains is the culprit I think... .
For Kate & Leopold, ripped all the files with DVD Decrytpor, in the settings I chose angle 1. The in ifoedit, it has never done this before with Kate & Leopold, it game me the option for seamless branching!! Maybe selecting angle 1 in DVD Decryptor made it work in ifoedit now... I don't know why. But I chose Keep Title: PGC 2 for the longer director's cut version. And it came to 4.07GB when done to fit on one disc. I'll have to post this finding in the other posts with Kate & leopold multiangel problems, ther ehave been a few.
There may be another way just using the split discs, but I haven't found it yet. Seems like I've tried everything too.But doing the movie only first then splitting that to 2 discs works, you just don't get a menu or extras. (It may be easy to add, I just haven't attempted it yet).
And, maybe the secret to get the Seamless Branching to work in dvds is to select angle 1 in DVD Decryptor when copying the files to the hard drive. I have read other posts where poeple wanted to use that option but it was greyed out for some reason. I don't know why all of a sudden it ungreyed except for the angle 1 thing.

Well, for seamless branching normally one program chain represents one version of the movie...so selecting only one program chain and doing movie only should work...but then there's angles...will have to try myself, can't say anything at the moment...but thanks for your findings so far...will see, if I get my hands on a multiangle dvd...
or a seamless branching one...

[Chibi Jasmin]

I found a simple multi-angle title in my collection: Get Over It RC1, it has english or french ending credits, depending on angle. That's all there is about angles, looks like an easy start...will first see, what DVDSplit makes of it...

UPDATE
What could I say...it simply worked fine! Without any special precautions...both angles still there in first and second disc (it's no use for the first one, because there's no difference...), switching between them works fine, also from the menu (you do this by selecting a certain audio language and it selects the corresponding credits).

BTW: Remove Angles is indeed greyed out with IFOEdit V0.95 and accessible with IFOEdit V0.91!

[Josh]

Yeah, I didn't try leaving the angles in with Kate & Leopold, I thought it would make the movie come out funky. Or did you remove an angle in ifoedit for Get Over It, or did you just check and see if the angle option was there?
Also, were you able to split the disc normally with ifoedit, with menus and all?

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Yeah, I didn't try leaving the angles in with Kate & Leopold, I thought it would make the movie come out funky. Or did you remove an angle in ifoedit for Get Over It, or did you just check and see if the angle option was there?
Also, were you able to split the disc normally with ifoedit, with menus and all?

No, I did the split with DVDSplit. Checking if the angle option was greyed out in 0.95 or 0.91 was just for my information...I did not remove anything...I just ripped the full dvd and split with DVDSplit...I did not try with IFOEdit, but I think splitting with IFOEdit NOT removing any angle would have worked the same...

[Josh]

Ok, I don't want to get too far off the topic, and I can delete this post if we want to keep the Split DVD option clean in this thread.

Anyway, for Kate & Leopold, in ifoedit .95 it had the option to do seamless branching with the angle option greyed out.
In ifoedit .91, it had the angle option available now, but the seamless branching option was greyed out. What's the deal with that?

Dang, what I probably should have done though was to rip the movie normally with dvd decryptor (not doing angle 1 only), and then trying the seamless branching option and see if that works.

[2COOL]

Try IFOedit versions 0.94 and 0.932,if you can find it.

[Chibi Jasmin]

I have these versions. If anyone needs them, let me know.

[Josh]

Getting back to the splitting to 2 disc topic, here's a new program out called toolbox. I haven't tried it yet, but thought I should pass it on. Looks pretty cool.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46507

[Chibi Jasmin]

Thanx, will try, if I have time...

[Josh]

Here are my findings with the different versions of ifoedit:
.91 Has angles but not seamless branching
.932 Has angles but not seamless branching
.94 Has seamless branching but not angles
.95 Has seamless branching but not angles

On a personal note, either one seems easy enough to use. I tested them with Kate & Leopold and assume it is the same for all movies. It's pretty easy to work around though. If you use the ones that the angles work on, you can just deselect the VOBIDs for the 2nd title. And vice versa, if you choose a version that can do seamless branching, you can just deselect the VOBIDs that have the multiangles (which appear to be fewer to deselect).

Hope that info is useful to some. I haven't found a version that can do both the angles and seamless branching for some reason, but that's not too difficult to work around.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Here are my findings with the different versions of ifoedit:
.91 Has angles but not seamless branching
.932 Has angles but not seamless branching
.94 Has seamless branching but not angles
.95 Has seamless branching but not angles

On a personal note, either one seems easy enough to use. I tested them with Kate & Leopold and assume it is the same for all movies. It's pretty easy to work around though. If you use the ones that the angles work on, you can just deselect the VOBIDs for the 2nd title. And vice versa, if you choose a version that can do seamless branching, you can just deselect the VOBIDs that have the multiangles (which appear to be fewer to deselect).

Hope that info is useful to some. I haven't found a version that can do both the angles and seamless branching for some reason, but that's not too difficult to work around.

Thanx...I will make a note of this for future use...btw, there are more versions to try, like 0.931, 0.92 and all older ones...if you want to test, you know my email :D

[Josh]

Always check the command it has for disc 1 for the start of the movie! I've had a couple of split movies- disc 1 (the movie where I discovered this just now was the Count of Monte Cristo) not playing after I burned them. For some reason ifoedit had some funky command in there that actually did come off the original. After I fixed that 1 pre command the movie was fixed.
I think to be on the safe side, make sure it is always set on
JumpSS_VMGM Jump to Videomanager Menu and put Title-Menu in the box below it. That's the main menu on the dvd.
So if you split a dvd and disc 1 isn't playing check the command there.
To do this, open VIDEO_TS.ifo directory with IFOEDIT.

Click VMGM_MAT toward the top.

Then press the + next to it and highlight FIRST PLAY PGC.

Scroll to 000000f4 and right click and edit command.

[Josh]

One more update. I just split my first movie (Return to Me) where the main title wasn't in VTS_01. It was in VTS_02. The split movie would not work until I copied over the VTS_01 stuff to the folders as well. So Doom9's guide was right that those needed to be copied over if the main title wasn't in VTS_01. I just didn't understand it in the guide I suppose. Hope that helps some people who may have been having problems like myself. :)

Update: That is an odd movie. I can't make it to do the main title menu at the begining, or enytime for that matter. The movie still plays, but the main menu isn't there. I see it's in the VTS_02, the same as the movie. That's interesting. Any ideas?

Update 2: Ah, I've found it. The menu was also in VTS_03. I had that on disc 2 because I thought it was some bonus material. After copying it to disc 1 also and getting vts sectors on disc 1's VIDEO_TS the menu is working fine. So I guess if there's doubt, copy what you can to both folders.

[Arc]

What happends if you don't change the total number of chapters in the VIDEO_TS.IFO file? If I leave this alone or change it, it doesn't seem to make a difference running through PowerDVD. The menu's seem to work ok.

[Josh]

I try not to change anything either. I don't know.

[Arc]

Well now I'm having a problem. When I split my DVD with IFOedit .95 and try to make an img file with imgtools it says immediately that it's done and makes a very small file. What's wrong? When I do the same thing with IFO .91 and copy the menu's manually it works fine.

I've also tried burning with recordnow DX and it always gives me an error. What does everyone else use (besides NERO :) )

[Josh]

I use only Nero. I don't know why you're getting that small file thing though, sorry. Well, do you have it set to 1GB? And also have checked the box for create subfolders disc 1 and 2? As far as making the image file goes, I use winiso (when I made them before). Do you make an image so you can test the file and see if it plays, or for burning? I ask because you really don't need one and it just takes more time. If you have windvd you can change the source to dvd from folder and test it that way without having to make an image and testing it with daemon tools. Hope that helps, that's what I do now.
Just curious about the error when you burn, are you removing 1 end sector in the disc1 main title? That seemed to fix all of our burning errors no matter which program we burn with. Instructions are on the 1st page of this thread if you need to know how to remove 1 end sector.

[Josh]

Ok, I've found the answer to Kate & Leopold, and I think every movie with problems. Here's the answer. I think it will work with every movie. It works!
1.Copy all the files normally with DVD Decryptor.
2.Split movie normally with ifoedit.
3.Copy over all other extras, the small stuff copy to both folders.
4.Get VTS Sectors.
That's it, that's the secret. Something else in those other files has the key to getting it to work right. Don't ask me what, I don't know.
I didn't have to mess with any angles or seamless branching, because it's the full movie with all options (except some extras on disc 2). I'm more than happy to make a guide with pictures. I think it works with every movie. It had the full menu with Kate & Leopold, as well as both chains or versions of the movie. This also worked on The Count of Monte Cristo. Without something else in those other files it wouldn't work.

Update: Did not work. Some scenes were skipped in the movie.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
:D :D
Ok, I've found the answer to Kate & Leopold, and I think every movie with problems. Here's the answer. I think it will work with every movie. It works!
1.Copy all the files normally with DVD Decryptor.
2.Split movie normally with ifoedit.
3.Copy over all other extras, the small stuff copy to both folders.
4.Get VTS Sectors.
That's it, that's the secret. Something else in those other files has the key to getting it to work right. Don't ask me what, I don't know.
I didn't have to mess with any angles or seamless branching, because it's the full movie with all options (except some extras on disc 2). I'm more than happy to make a guide with pictures. I think it works with every movie. It had the full menu with Kate & Leopold, as well as both chains or versions of the movie. This also worked on The Count of Monte Cristo. Without something else in those other files it wouldn't work.
:D :D

(BTW, when splitting movies with 2 versions or PGCs, put the split point around the middle of PGC1)
Update: It got both versions of movie on there, but the extras don't play for some reason. At least the movie works though.

Always try the simple approach first :D Sounds so easy...glad, you got it now...

[Josh]

Yup, thanks Chibi! I also just found how to get all the bonus materials to work too. Instead of splitting at PGC 1 at the middle of the chain around 1:03, I split it at 1:16, which made disc 1 at 4GB and 2 at like 2.84GB. Then copy all of the other files to disc 2, get VTS sectors. For some reason those bonus materials can't be split up but have to be all together to work. The small files still go to disc 1 too to get the menu and movie to work.

[Josh]

Here is my conclusion from what I have learned with splitting discs. It looks like there are 5 possible different things you can do/or may have to do. It's really pretty easy to do, but some movies you have to give some minor tweaks after the discs are split to get them to play and to get the bonus materials.
The ripping is always the same as well as doing the vob extras as outlined in our guide. The guide on the link to afterdawn on page 1 is probably the easiest to follow for newbies.
You have to remove 1 end sector on disc 1 to every movie you split to correct the movie for burning and playback.
You should add all other small files to both discs to ensure menus work and that the movie plays. Always do Get VTS sectors after adding the files on the Video_TS file only.

1.Some movies you can split and burn with not adding anything else (for movie only).
2.Some movies you can split and add only the extras you want and be ok.
3.Some split movies you need to add all of the other files on the same disc to get any of the extras to work.
4.Some split movies you need to add some of the other small files to make the menu and movie work.
5.Some movies you need to change the start precommand on the discs or they won't play.

You shouldn't need to rip or strip streams or angles or seamless branching, and if you do it might mess up some movies.
For movies with seamless branching or 2 versions of a movie, put the split point on the 1st PGC, I recommend between .5-.75 into the movie, try to get disc 1 as close to 4.0 GB possible and try to add all extras to disc 2 to ensure that the extras will work (if you want the extras), sometimes you need all the other files to make the extras work.
Hope that can be of help to others! :)
Also, when splitting movies with seamless branching or movies with 2 versions on it, both versions should still work too on both discs.

Update, I haven't personally split successfully a movie with more than 1 PGC without playback problems. Error on my part.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Here is my conclusion from what I have learned with splitting discs. It looks like there are 5 possible different things you can do/or may have to do. It's really pretty easy to do, but some movies you have to give some minor tweaks after the discs are split to get them to play and to get the bonus materials.
The ripping is always the same as well as doing the vob extras as outlined in our guide. The guide on the link to afterdawn on page 1 is probably the easiest to follow for newbies.
You have to remove 1 end sector on disc 1 to every movie you split to correct the movie for burning and playback.
You should add all other small files to both discs to ensure menus work and that the movie plays. Always do Get VTS sectors after adding the files on the Video_TS file only.

1.Some movies you can split and burn with not adding anything else (for movie only).
2.Some movies you can split and add only the extras you want and be ok.
3.Some split movies you need to add all of the other files on the same disc to get any of the extras to work.
4.Some split movies you need to add some of the other small files to make the menu and movie work.
5.Some movies you need to change the start precommand on the discs or they won't play.

You shouldn't need to rip or strip streams or angles or seamless branching, and if you do it most likely will mess it up.
For movies with seamless branching or 2 versions of a movie, put the split point on the 1st PGC, I recommend between .5-.75 into the movie, try to get disc 1 as close to 4.0 GB possible and try to add all extras to disc 2 to ensure that the extras will work (if you want the extras), sometimes you need all the other files to make the extras work.
Hope that can be of help to others! :)
Also, when splitting movies with seamless branching or movies with 2 versions on it, both versions should still work too on both discs.

Yeah, that seems to be it...I am still curious how to replace an extra vob (let's say some making of or whatever, no menu), with just a short dummy vob, leaving the structure of the dvd intact, just in case it's ever needed...

BTW: What happens on your standalone with your problematic title (Kate & Leopold), if you don't remove angles/seamless branching and put only one half of the main movie on one disc without menu?

And one more: Do you have problems on your standalone selecting chapters from the chapter menu that don't exist anymore? If yes, one could think of disabling the buttons to the non-existing chapters...

[2COOL]

Originally posted by Chibi Jasmin

And one more: Do you have problems on your standalone selecting chapters from the chapter menu that don't exist anymore? If yes, one could think of disabling the buttons to the non-existing chapters...

Read step 13 in my Black Hawk Down (DVD-Split) Cheat Sheet (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43514) on how I strategically pick my split point to make it easier for me to disable chapter buttons later on.

[Josh]

Originally posted by Chibi Jasmin
Yeah, that seems to be it...I am still curious how to replace an extra vob (let's say some making of or whatever, no menu), with just a short dummy vob, leaving the structure of the dvd intact, just in case it's ever needed...

BTW: What happens on your standalone with your problematic title (Kate & Leopold), if you don't remove angles/seamless branching and put only one half of the main movie on one disc without menu?

And one more: Do you have problems on your standalone selecting chapters from the chapter menu that don't exist anymore? If yes, one could think of disabling the buttons to the non-existing chapters...

I don't really think you need any dummy files at all. Sometiimes you just need to copy over the other small files and that fixes everything.

No problems at all with Kate & Leopold (except for a pause where the layer break point is). The menu is actually on both discs too so you can choose still which version you want to watch (origianl or director's cut). You just have to change the precommand on disc 2 to go to the video manager menu. It's all there.

As for the chapters, I haven't had any problems. Sometimes if you click on something that isn't there or on the other disc, it goes to my dvd player setup. That's no big deal though, I know what is on the discs and just don't use those menu buttons. I've thought about disabling menu buttons but haven't played with it.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
I don't really think you need any dummy files at all. Sometiimes you just need to copy over the other small files and that fixes everything.

No problems at all with Kate & Leopold (except for a pause where the layer break point is). The menu is actually on both discs too so you can choose still which version you want to watch (origianl or director's cut). You just have to change the precommand on disc 2 to go to the video manager menu. It's all there.

As for the chapters, I haven't had any problems. Sometimes if you click on something that isn't there or on the other disc, it goes to my dvd player setup. That's no big deal though, I know what is on the discs and just don't use those menu buttons. I've thought about disabling menu buttons but haven't played with it.

The reason I am asking is, copying everything over except some big VTS_XX_1.VOBs will probably not be accepted by Nero...maybe it doesn't matter, but to be safe, I'd prefer having a dummy VTS_XX_1.VOB...and instead of just putting an empty file there, I'd like to have some short 'deleted' clip or whatever, that is properly linked to the dvd structure in place of the original one!

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by 2COOL
Read step 13 in my Black Hawk Down (DVD-Split) Cheat Sheet (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43514) on how I strategically pick my split point to make it easier for me to disable chapter buttons later on.

Looks good...but all I wanted to know is, if it causes any problems just leaving the buttons as they are...what happens on the standalones, when you click on none-existing chapters?

[2COOL]

Originally posted by Chibi Jasmin
Looks good...but all I wanted to know is, if it causes any problems just leaving the buttons as they are...what happens on the standalones, when you click on none-existing chapters?

I don't have any problems. See either your chapter pages (cells)reside in a program chain or they're located individually in their own VOB-ID. Disabling chapter pages in separate VOB-IDs are easy to do. Just to do a delete playback on them or edit a Jump to PGC command. As for the cell types, you can edit them out in the Cell Playback section. Just replace them with the last working cell number. Just like I do it in my guide. I was going to write a guide on my method of picking the right split point according your chapter pages but am bogged down with other stuff to do.

What you need to keep in mind is, the lesser chapters on a page, the closer and easier is it for you to split closer to centerline. But for movies with four to six chapters per page, I would have to put 2/3 of the movie on one disk and 1/3 plus the extras on the other.

If I had to disable a chapter, out of four, on a menu page, then I would find the title command in IFOedit and do some edits to jump back to the PGC-Menu cell that the chapter in question is on. It's better to show in a guide than just explain it on this matter.

[Josh]

Originally posted by Chibi Jasmin
The reason I am asking is, copying everything over except some big VTS_XX_1.VOBs will probably not be accepted by Nero...maybe it doesn't matter, but to be safe, I'd prefer having a dummy VTS_XX_1.VOB...and instead of just putting an empty file there, I'd like to have some short 'deleted' clip or whatever, that is properly linked to the dvd structure in place of the original one!

Nope, Nero burns it fine. I've had no problems once removing the end sector. Hope that helps! Try it and let me know.

[Josh]

Originally posted by Chibi Jasmin
Looks good...but all I wanted to know is, if it causes any problems just leaving the buttons as they are...what happens on the standalones, when you click on none-existing chapters?

I don't think it causes any problems. I don't know if it does this on all standalones, but on mine it takes me to the dvd player's setup.
Oh, for chapters... for Lord of the Rings Extended Version, when I click on next chapter on the last one on the disc, it just goes back to chapter 1. I don;t know if I checked it on other movies.

[gasha]

All,

First, I want to let everybody know that I am a DVD newbie (although I am not a PC/software newbie). I have read everything in this tread very carefully. I am trying to split "The Matrix". DVD 2 works fine on my standalone. DVD 1 does not. I use IFOEdit 0.95 and Nero 5.5.9.17. I have read that 0.95 has fixed the -1 problem. If I do -1 fix, Nero still reports the relocation problem. If I do not do -1 fix, Nero reports it anyway.
I have ignored it (with -1 fixed done) and the standalone did not play the dvd. I did not try to ignore it without -1 fix done. Any ideas?

Thank you.

Gasha
:confused:

[Josh]

Welcome, and hang in there! It sounds like the problem is with removing the 1 end sector. You only need to reduce the very last address/cell by 1, not all of them. Make sure you're loading the ifo that has the main movie in it too, usually VTS_01_0.ifo, but not always. Also make sure you're clicking on VTS_C_ADT and not VTSM_C_ADT. I think most people accidentally choose that one by mistake. You may need to resplit it too and start over if something is changed that shouldn't be.
1.Open VTS_0x_0.ifo from Disk 1 folder where x is the TITLESET (usually x=1.) Do this with IFOEDIT.
2.Click on VTS_C_ADT (usually 2nd from the bottom).
3.Scroll all the way to the bottom and right click next to END SECTOR and reduce the value by 1.
4.Click save and resave it over the VTS_0x_0.ifo you opened. It will ask if you want to overwrite. Press Yes, then OK.
Hope that helps, let us know.

[gasha]

Josh,

First, thank you for express reply. I will do my best to write exactly what I did.

1. I ripped The Matrix using DVD Decrypter.
2. I started IFOEdit 0.95, loaded VTS_02_0.IFO
3. I ran “VOB Extras/Split to 2 DVD-Rs”
4. I did not change default options except the destination folders.
5. I changed the splitting point to Ch 15. I want all extras to be on disk 1, so
I reduced the size of the first part.
6. I let IFOEdit split the VTS_02_x.VOB
7. When it was done. I copied all VTS_01*.* and VTS_03*.* files to
“Disk1” folder.
8. I ran IFOEdit and loaded VTS_02_0.IFO. I made sure that I select
VTS_C_ADT. I scrolled down to the last cell number (81 to be accurate).I have also loaded the original VTS_02_0.IFO and compare the number of cell 81. The original was different, smaller for one. I changed the number in the split one and saved it.
9. I loaded every IFO file (VIDEO_TS.IFO, VTS_01_0.IFO, VTS_02_0.IFO, VTS_03_0.IFO) and did “Remove P-UP” and “Get VTS sectors”. I saved everything again. I did not do “Region Free” because the DVD Decrypter already did it.
10. I started “Nero” and created new DVD Video. I dragged all files from “Disk1” to Nero’s VIDEO_TS folder. I clicked “burn” button and got the relocation error.

Should I do Get VTS Sectors first and then -1 fix? Is the order important? Did anybody split “The Matrix” successfully?

Thank you.

Gasha

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
I don't think it causes any problems. I don't know if it does this on all standalones, but on mine it takes me to the dvd player's setup.
Oh, for chapters... for Lord of the Rings Extended Version, when I click on next chapter on the last one on the disc, it just goes back to chapter 1. I don;t know if I checked it on other movies.

It takes you to the setup, if you click a non-existing chapter from the chapter selection menu? That's what I wanted to know...

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Nope, Nero burns it fine. I've had no problems once removing the end sector. Hope that helps! Try it and let me know.

Really? I remember I had some probs, will have to try again sometime, will let you know...just to be sure we're talking about the same thing:

You say, we can put split a movie to 2 discs and put the full menu and extras on both discs, just leaving out any big VTS_XX_1.VOB with whatever extra content? And Nero will burn it?

UPDATE

I tried this with an already readily burned split disc, I deleted a vts_XX_1.vob with only some extra stuff, and nero complaned with reallocation error...I always had this behaviour, that's why I came up with the create new ifo thing for the disc witout the extras in the first place.

If this weren't a problem, I could always put the menu on both discs, just leaving out extra videos on one of them...(except for some cases, where menu and video content are in the same vob)

[Josh]

Yeah, I think I wasn't on the same page. Were you talking about what we talked about before, the whole movie on 1 disc and the extras on disc 2? And that Nero complained when there was no actual movie on disc 2, thus the need of dumby files? I haven't tested that yet. If that's what you meant, thanks for testing it for us!

[Josh]

Originally posted by gasha
9. I loaded every IFO file (VIDEO_TS.IFO, VTS_01_0.IFO, VTS_02_0.IFO, VTS_03_0.IFO) and did “Remove P-UP” and “Get VTS sectors”. I saved everything again. I did not do “Region Free” because the DVD Decrypter already did it.

Should I do Get VTS Sectors first and then -1 fix? Is the order important? Did anybody split “The Matrix” successfully?

Thank you.

Gasha

I have not personally tested the Matrix. I doubt this makes a difference, but I only load the VIDEO_TS_IFO and do Get VTS sectors on that one only. I don't do the other ifos. I don't do remove p-up or anything else. I don't know if order does make a difference either, but I reduce the 1 end sector first, save and overwrite, close ifoedit, reopen ifoedit, and then open VIDEO_VTS.ifo and get VTS Sectors and save and overwrite as well. Then, I copy over all of the other small files to both discs- by complete sets of the ifos (like vts_02-vts_04 only for example. In your case maybe vts_03-vts_06). Did you copy over any of the other small complete sets?
I believe we have only gotten that error from Nero when we didn't remove the 1 end sector, and when we didn't have the actual movie on the disc, a disc with only extras (if I followed Jasmin correctly).

Jasmin, can you offer any insight or suggestions? I'll have to try the Matrix and see what happens, I have yet found a movie that didn't work following our guide.

Just curious, did your vob extras options match the same one in the first picture on Doom9's guide on the link below? Those same boxes should be checked.
http://doom9.org/mpg/ifoedit-2dvdrs.htm

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Yeah, I think I wasn't on the same page. Were you talking about what we talked about before, the whole movie on 1 disc and the extras on disc 2? And that Nero complained when there was no actual movie on disc 2, thus the need of dumby files? I haven't tested that yet. If that's what you meant, thanks for testing it for us!

Nero complains (among some other things), about not having a VTS_XX_1.VOB, if there are VTS_XX_0.VOB,IFO,BUP! I wanted to replace the VTS_XX_1.VOB with some short dummy movie saying 'DELETED from this disc', keeping the rest of the disc intact. This way I could simply copy over all extras and menus to both discs and just replace the big extras on one of them for space reasons.

Simply deleting the VTS_XX_1.VOB is not an option for Nero, maybe it would work, if I burn anyway, but I'd rather take a short 'deleted' clip, if this is not too much work!

That simply deleting is not accepted by Nero (and that it requires a VTS_01 titleset) was the whole reason for making this 'create new ifo' procedure with the one-half-of-movie-only disc! This way I have one half of the movie on one disc without extras in vts_01!

And as I said, if there's a quick way to insert this dummy vobs I could simply copy over extras and menus to both discs, leaving create new ifo out and just have the complete structure on both discs, therefore also eliminating any angle/seamless branching probs, if any.

[Josh]

So are you talking about a split movie on 2 discs, with the movie in VTS_02.ifo? Or are you talking about the movie on 1 disc and the extras on another? I split and burned Return to Me successfully to 2 discs, and that movie was in the 02.vob.I did have to copy over the other files (01 too)to make it play correctly though. Are the 01 files too big to put on there?

[Josh]

Originally posted by Josh

No problems at all with Kate & Leopold (except for a pause where the layer break point is). The menu is actually on both discs too so you can choose still which version you want to watch (origianl or director's cut). You just have to change the precommand on disc 2 to go to the video manager menu. It's all there.


Hey Jasmin, again the simple solution was the answer! I fixed that pause in the movie with Kate & Leopold, I just had to add more files to disc 1 and that fixed it. There are some key information sometimes in those other files that is needed at times for the menus to work, and now I see for the movie too. So, everything is complete and there in Kate & Leopold now, no problems at all.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47325

[gasha]

Originally posted by Josh
I reduce the 1 end sector first, save and overwrite, close ifoedit, reopen ifoedit, and then open VIDEO_VTS.ifo and get VTS Sectors and save and overwrite as well. Then, I copy over all of the other small files to both discs- by complete sets of the ifos (like vts_02-vts_04 only for example. In your case maybe vts_03-vts_06). Did you copy over any of the other small complete sets?

Just curious, did your vob extras options match the same one in the first picture on Doom9's guide on the link below? Those same boxes should be checked.
[/B]

Josh,

I followed your instructions to the letter. I still get the relocation error. I copied VTS_01*.* and VTS_03*.* files to Disk1 folder. It contained all files as original folder except that VTS_02*.* and VIDEO_TS.* files were different, created by IFOEdit.

I checked the default options of “VOB Extras/Split to 2 DVD-Rs”. They are the same as in Doom9 guide. If anybody splits The Matrix,
let me know please. I getting ready to buy DVDXCopy...

Regarding the second disk, I did not have any problem with it. I did not copy VTS_01*.*
nor VTS_03*.* files. I just modified the VIDEO_TS so that the second part of the movie starts automatically, and burned a DVD. Nero did not complain.

Thank you.

Gasha

:confused:

[Josh]

Dvdxcopy can backup that movie. I wouldn't buy it (just my opinion). Ifoedit can do everything that dvdxcopy can do, and more in my opinion. Give me a couple of days to test the matrix and see what I can find. I know it can be done, I think it's just one small step that's being missed. It still sounds like the removing 1 end sector because disc 2 works... which makes it sound like the only problem was the end sector. Does the menu work on disc 2 as well? Just curious. Maybe I'm wrong, give me some time to check.
Did you see this thread?
Maybe it will help.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44189&highlight=The+Matrix

[gasha]

Originally posted by Josh
. Does the menu work on disc 2 as well? Just curious. Maybe I'm wrong, give me some time to check.
Did you see this thread?
Maybe it will help.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44189&highlight=The+Matrix


All what I did was to put Disk2 in my DVD player
and the movie started. I watched first 5 minutes and stopped it. I also pressed the menu button and got it on the TV. I did not try to
choose any item in the menu because, as I understand, there is nothing on the disk 2 except the second part of the movie. I will try it and let you know what happens. I have seen the tread you pointed to. I did not find that those guys had similar problems as I did.

Thank you for looking into "The Matrix".

Gasha

[Chibi Jasmin]

@Josh:

Yeah, a split disc, with the movie in a titleset other than vts_01 needs either the 'create new ifo' process or at least the vts_01_titleset copied over to the disc.

The reason I want to have a way to replace long videos (vobs) with some short (dummy) vobs/clips is, I wouldn't have to do the 'create new ifo' thing on one of the discs, but simply copy over everything (menus/extras) from the original disc to BOTH discs, instead of only one...this way, I would have menu and extras on both discs, wouldn't have to recreate anything (except whatever has to be done to get these dummy vobs in) and would also not have to worry about something missing!

[Chibi Jasmin]

Okay, I came up with the following method (basically it is what Doom9's basic strip guide says) that does not replace vobs with a dummy, but just deletes certain features:

Instead of 'Create new IFO' after splitting on one disc without menu/extras as described above,
copy all other files (menus/extras) to BOTH discs and use IFOEdit's
Strip VOBIDs (check with VOBrator, which VOBIDs represent what feature of the disc)
to cut out some extras (don't cut pieces of the menu) to get to the size of one DVD-R, you then have menu on both discs, just that one disc doesn't contain all extras, this way, you can even decide, which extra to keep on which disc:

Check VOB with VOBrator, make a note of the VOBIDs, you want to keep. Open associated
IFO with IFOEdit (for VTS_XX_Y.VOB open VTS_XX_0.IFO) and use VOB Extras/Strip VOBIDs:
Strip VOBIDs, Correct VOBUnit pointers, Correct orig. IFO-Files, VOB-Expert:
Remove P-UOPs, Remove Macrovision, Adjust Vob-Unit pointers, adjust audio/subp.
pointers, VOB-Size 1 GB! Replace old ifos/vobs with newly created ones, open any ifo
from the disc and do Get VTs sectors!

ATTENTION: Stripping out only some and not all of the VOBIDs (that actually have content,
sometimes there are small VOBIDs, with no playable content, you can probably leave these)
of a VOB can leave to undesired effects, such as menu order screwed for all menus that use
this vob (because of VOBID renumbering). As I don't know how to edit the menus to use new
VOBIDs, I currently recomment, stripping either all (relevant, not the unplayable small ones)
VOBIDs of a vob or if you strip only some, strip consecutive and don't leave any in between
or after (for example, you have vob ids 1-9. You can strip 1-9 -> fine, you can strip 2-9 ->
fine, you can strip 3-9 fine and so on...you can NOT strip (without affecting the menu):
1-4 leaving 5-9 (5-9 then gets 1-5 and menu is screwed)!

---
Let me know, if it works for you, some quick tests here worked fine.

Still two things problematic, though:

1. The renumbering thing described above, Doom9's guide touches this, but still says, there is a problem ('Derrow is looking into it'), so there's no real solution there. Any idea as to how it might be possible to strip out some vobids in the middle and reassociate the new vobids to the menu? Well, it's maybe not that important, unless you insist on stripping that way...to keep all or most extras on one disc and delete a whole bunch on the other disc, stripping all vobids or last consecutive ones works fine.
2. What does happen on a standalone, if you select a disabled extra in the menu? If if freezes, we might have to disable buttons as described elsewhere here in the forum (there's even tool to do that. didn't try yet). Can you try the method and let me know, if it freezes on your standalone selecting stripped features?

[Josh]

Ok, I think I may have found the soltuion to Kate & Leopold once again. I will test it and let you know. The part it has been skipping is now there. I will burn it to a DVDR and fully test it. This may be a new method of splitting certain or all movies:
The only boxes I had checked was Split to 2 DVDRs, create subfolders, and autocopy menu files to destination. Maybe correct navigation pack, and the lluv/angle stuff in the xpert side was messing it up. Jasmin, have you tried splitting discs with only those boxes checked?

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Ok, I think I may have found the soltuion to Kate & Leopold once again. I will test it and let you know. The part it has been skipping is now there. I will burn it to a DVDR and fully test it. This may be a new method of splitting certain or all movies:
The only boxes I had checked was Split to 2 DVDRs, create subfolders, and autocopy menu files to destination. Maybe correct navigation pack, and the lluv/angle stuff in the xpert side was messing it up. Jasmin, have you tried splitting discs with only those boxes checked?

Well, I always thought, correct vob unit pointers (navigation pack) is needed, so I haven't tried without...I also always used correct original ifo files...but maybe(!) we can do without these two, if we don't strip anything?

On the vob-expert side I never used remove or adjust ilvu/angle! I just have remove puops and remove macrovision checked, as well as adjust vob-unit pointers (what is the difference here to correct vob unit pointers (nav pack)?) and adjust audio subp. point.!

You are right, it's maybe worth a try splitting something without these options, at least, if you don't strip anything (vobids, streams). But as I don't know exactly what they do, it would only be a shot in the dark...

[Josh]

The movie played fine it appeared on the computer, it looked like no scenes were being skipped, but problems came when trying to burn it. I may need to make some dummy .vob files for it to work. I tried it again with the correct ifos box checked too, and it was skipping scenes again. I may try again with the correct vob-unit (navigation pack) box checked above it and see how that turns out. So it appears the correct ifo box is the culprit for making that movie skip scenes. Will post what I find out tonight.
Gasha, will try to test the Matrix tonight too.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
The movie played fine it appeared on the computer, it looked like no scenes were being skipped, but problems came when trying to burn it. I may need to make some dummy .vob files for it to work. I tried it again with the correct ifos box checked too, and it was skipping scenes again. I may try again with the correct vob-unit (navigation pack) box checked above it and see how that turns out. So it appears the correct ifo box is the culprit for making that movie skip scenes. Will post what I find out tonight.
Gasha, will try to test the Matrix tonight too.

Take a look at my longer post further above, maybe try that method, simply copying over everything to both discs and stripping some vobids of extras for space reasons. Let me also know, if you know anything about point 1 and 2 at the end of the post, if you find the time, please!

Good luck!

BTW: Did you try DVDSplit and/or DVDXCopy on that movie?

[Josh]

Jasmin, you talked about making dummy files. This thread here talks about doing that. I may test that out tonight and see if it works.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33583&highlight=navigation+pack

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Jasmin, you talked about making dummy files. This thread here talks about doing that. I may test that out tonight and see if it works.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33583&highlight=navigation+pack

Well, seems some people had problems with the dummy approach described in that thread...simply inserting 0 byte files trying to trick ifoedit...must destroy structure somehow :-) That guy only uses it, because he has a strange way of ripping the movie anyway...he rips it in two parts and ends up with dummies needed to fill up missing vobs...

Well, I am quite happy with my strip method from above, so I probably won't need dummys anymore...well, maybe if there's a simple way to insert them with a short clip saying 'content deleted' or something...

[Josh]

Ok, yeah, I didn't read all of it. I was thinking of making dummy files just to trick Nero into burning the movie, not for ifoedit. I would much rather have the movie be completely correct though.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Ok, yeah, I didn't read all of it. I was thinking of making dummy files just to trick Nero into burning the movie, not for ifoedit. I would much rather have the movie be completely correct though.

My words...

[Josh]

Well, I did it again this time with the navigation pack box checked and not the correct ifo box checked. The movie also played correctly on windvd, no t skipping any scenes. But when I tried burning it, I got the error but chose continue anyway because it is an RW and thought what could it hurt, but it won't play, nor will it recognize the dvd to erase it so it ruined a blank dvdrw. Anyway, the question is now what to do? If I have the correct ifo box checked, the movie gets changed some how skipping scenes. If I uncheck it, the movie plays correctly, but can't be burned to a dvd disc correctly.

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Well, I did it again this time with the navigation pack box checked and not the correct ifo box checked. The movie also played correctly on windvd, no t skipping any scenes. But when I tried burning it, I got the error but chose continue anyway because it is an RW and thought what could it hurt, but it won't play, nor will it recognize the dvd to erase it so it ruined a blank dvdrw. Anyway, the question is now what to do? If I have the correct ifo box checked, the movie gets changed some how skipping scenes. If I uncheck it, the movie plays correctly, but can't be burned to a dvd disc correctly.

Good question...simple answer: I don't know...you obviously played a lot more with this than me...I can't help you at the moment, I'm afraid...try DVDSplit, maybe?

[Josh]

Ok, seems that Nero is in fact the problem with burning some movies. It won't burn A Walk to Remember without giving error messeges. But I just made an image with winiso and loaded it in daemon tools and it played fine on that. So the question is then, what to burn with if Nero fails. Maybe the other movies may be ok too that others have said they have had problems with, like Matrix and American Beauty. I've read in some posts to try Prassi PrimoDVD, I may give that a try. If anyone has any other suggestions for burning please let us know! I'm sure Kate & Leopold will work now too once I figure out a new way to burn.
My guess is if windvd can play the folder, then the standalone should be able to too. But if anyone notices otherwise let me know. That's what I've noticed from my personal experience.

Update: I'm going to try burning the ISO first with DVDDecryptor, will let you know if it works.
Update 2: It worked. Will post my reply in another post!

[Josh]

Ok, a breakthrough! :D A Walk to Remember wouldn't burn with Nero. Kept getting the file reallocation error. And removed the 1 end sector like always too. I did a search, and I found a thread that said to use imgtools .89 to make an img file and then to burn with dvd decryptor. It worked!!

So, my theory still stands that if Windvd can play the folder, so can the standalone.

If you get an error with Nero, try making an image with Imgtools .89 and then burning with DVD Decryptor.

Yee Haw! I'm happy again! If anyone else tried this, please post your findings!:D

[Josh]

Figuring out how to use Imgtools was a pain. I'll include the instructions. Credit goes to framerman. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42428&highlight=imgtools+wont+open

to create an image file in imgtools:

you need to have your VIDEO_TS folder under the root drive, i.e. c:\, with NOTHING in the folder except your vob's, ifo's, and bup's.

click on create dvd image

dvd drive should be c:\

output image file is "movie".img

volume title is YOUR_MOVIE

click create image. It'll take about 5 or 10 minutes or so.

Open up dvd decrypter.

Click mode\iso\write.

Unless I'm in a hurry, I select 1x to reduce my playback problems.

I burn my discs this way all the time and have had 100% success.

I hope this helps.

[Chibi Jasmin]

I always been using that imgtools 0.89/dvddecrypter method :-) just used nero for testing, but I never had a dvd, I could not get Nero to accept...

BTW: One more thing, did you ever try the new DVDToolbox (http://www.dvdtoolbox.de/) for splitting? Maybe on some problem titles? I didn't get to it yet...

[Josh]

Yeah, I did try the DVDToolbox for Kate & Leopold, but not A Walk to Remember. For Kate & Leopold I got the same movie playback problem.

[DVDToolbox]

@Chibi Jasmin

Just try it !

In germany the program is quite often used ...
It's well tested and quite very stable !

And we made this english homepage for you guys :D

Next release will include a "disc change request" at
the end of the first disc and a "the end"-logo at
the end of the 2nd disc. The logos will be (later)
user editable. Now there will be 2 or 3 different
logos you can choose from.

Joerg

[Josh]

Yeah, I'll keep testing dvdtoolbox too. Thanks!

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by DVDToolbox
@Chibi Jasmin

Just try it !

In germany the program is quite often used ...
It's well tested and quite very stable !

And we made this english homepage for you guys :D

Next release will include a "disc change request" at
the end of the first disc and a "the end"-logo at
the end of the 2nd disc. The logos will be (later)
user editable. Now there will be 2 or 3 different
logos you can choose from.

Joerg

I will test it, as soon as I find the time...would you mind explaining, what it does better than DVDSplit/IFOEdit? You can see what work I had to do to the split discs after splitting with one of these in this thread...anything DVDToolbox makes easier? Already thanx for developing the tool...

[Josh]

Hey, just thought I would let you know that in order to split Jurrasic Park, I had to make 2 dummy files, and it worked! The other files needed to get the menu and movie to work (other than the normal small sets) were VTS_03_1.VOB and VTS_03_2.VOB. (both contained some bonus materials). But both of those files were 1 GB each and would put both disc 1 and 2 over the limit. So I just made 2 new blank text documents, and renamed them to those files and put them in there and that allowed the menus and movie to work. Just thought I would pass that on for others to try if the other files needed to be added made the disc size too big.

Update: Dumby files did not work on standalone. Have to strip only the movie, then split the stripped movie to 2 discs. Couldn't find a way to get it to have the menu screen, just movie only.

[Josh]

Gosh, after burning several movies successfully the last few ones sure have been a headache!
I thought I had figured out Jurrasic Park, it played fine on the computer, but when it was made into an image or burned something in it changed.
So, what I did. I stripped the movie only with ifoedit. Then I split the movie with ifoedit. Movie only. Nero burned it fine, no problems. But for some reason I couldn't get it to work with the menu and extras.
Does imgtools change anything with the movie when it makes it into an image? I can't figure out what happened. Something has to have changed or windvd should have been able to play it off the dvd as well. Maybe I should have tried a data udf dvd orsomething?

[2COOL]

Josh,

It is possible that a titleset other than your movie's, must be present on both disks. When selecting buttons in menus, you need to watch your status window in your DVDPlay Panel to know where your current viewing is located at.

[Josh]

Thanks, I'll need to learn that. I'll get there eventually. I didn't edit or modify any menus, just copied them.

[Josh]

Maybe I should make that point clear with my last movie. If you can't split a movie with menus and extras, try stripping the movie only with ifoedit first, then try splitting that. That seems to work. You'll get the movie only, but it's better than nothing.

[Josh]

Ok, here's an update to how some movies can/or must be burned from what I have observed.

1.Some movies you can split and burn with not adding anything else (for movie only).
2.Some movies you can split and add only the extras you want and be ok.
3.Some split movies you need to add all of the other files on the same disc to get any of the extras to work.
4.Some split movies you need to add some of the other small files to make the menu and movie work.
5.Some movies you need to change the start precommand on the discs or they won't play.
6. Some movies you have to strip the movie only first, then split it. No extras or menus can be added (to my limited knowledge).

[zardiw]

I think that Nero is trying to be too smart for it's own good when you try to burn using the Video option. It's trying to verify Video format, whether you have VOB_01 or not, etc. etc. etc. The reason for this is because it's trying to make sure that any HOMEMADE movies will be correct, and play in a standalone player.

The simple solution to all this, is to play the movie in IfoEdit. If everything works there, just burn the sucker. Burn it on a RW to test it, and if that plays, burn it to a R.

BUT, use the DATA option in Nero. That way Nero won't try to verify that every little nitpick thing is correct with the video files.

Since it's just data files on a DVD anyway, it burns fine.

I think this will do away with having to add dummy files, subtracting 1 from the end sector, etc. etc. etc.

I suggest that if you are trying to please Nero with the Video option and jumping through all of Nero's hoops, you burn a movie with the Data option and see what you get.....

Just remember, that if it plays in IfoEdit, it's going to play in your DVD player.

I've never had any problems with a DVD that I burned with the DATA option. All menu's, features, etc play just dandy in my standalone..............:cool:........z

[Chibi Jasmin]

@Josh: Instead of creating simple dummy files, I still suggest stripping some vobids out of the original files to make them smaller! Might solve some problems...explained it above somewhere.

[Josh]

Ok, will try that. Thanks!

[Josh]

As I don't know how to edit the menus to use new
VOBIDs, I currently recomment, stripping either all (relevant, not the unplayable small ones)
VOBIDs of a vob or if you strip only some, strip consecutive and don't leave any in between
or after (for example, you have vob ids 1-9. You can strip 1-9 -> fine, you can strip 2-9 ->
fine, you can strip 3-9 fine and so on...you can NOT strip (without affecting the menu):
1-4 leaving 5-9 (5-9 then gets 1-5 and menu is screwed)!


Hey Chibi, you lost me on that part. Can you please explain that? I don't understand what you shouldn't strip. Thanks!

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
Hey Chibi, you lost me on that part. Can you please explain that? I don't understand what you shouldn't strip. Thanks!

You have to understand that IFOEdit renumbers VOBIDs on stripping and therefore the menu gets screwed.

So you can strip everything that does not change the VOBIDs of the parts you are leaving.

Let's say you have VOBIDs 1 to x.

If you rip any VOBID y (1 <= y <= x) you have to rip all following VOBIDs after VOBID y.

An example:

You have VOBIDs 1,2,3,4.

You rip VOBID 4 only, no problem, all VOBIDs stay, just VOBID 4 won't work anymore.

You rip VOBID 3-4, no problem, just VOBID 3-4 deleted.

You rip VOBID 3 only, then VOBID 4 becomes VOBID3 and something in the menu is screwed (you have to select the button relating to VOBID3 to get the former VOBID4, now VOBID3). -> BAD

So you can't just rip any VOBID out of the middle, without deleting all following ones without risking to screw up the menu. Of course this depends on the menu structure and the specific case...if you strip as I said, VOBIDs won't be renumbered and you should be on the safe side concerning the DVD structure...let me know, if it works!

[Josh]

Got it, thanks!!

[Josh]

I just tested splitting a movie where the movie alone stripped would fit on 1 disc, and it worked! The menu and movie all there! Some menus are cool and are nice to have. The movie and results I did are here. :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48397

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by Josh
I just tested splitting a movie where the movie alone stripped would fit on 1 disc, and it worked! The menu and movie all there! Some menus are cool and are nice to have. The movie and results I did are here. :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48397

Will look there then.

[Josh]

And yet, here is another possible method for ripping movies. In this case, movies with 2 versions of the movie on it with 2 different vob sets. The movie was Toy Story 2, I couldn't get it to work with the extras. So I did a search and came across this link, and it's the only thing that has played in windvd when leaving on the extras. SoujiroTheTenken gets credit for this discovery.

It basically says delete the other movie version's VOB files, but leave the ifo and bup files for navigation purposes. Seems to work.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25445&highlight=toystory

Update- This method should be tested more, it may be an easy way to backup some movies. BTW, it had to be burned with imgtools and dvd decryptor, and plays fine in the standalone, extras and all.

[zardiw]

Nero HAS to burn it if you choose Data mode. I don't know why everyone is going to image files, burning in DVD Video mode, etc. etc.

I move the VIDEO_TS folder across, make an AUDIO_TS folder and move that one across, and burn it. I've never had one that wouldn't read in my standalone.

Nero can take it's reallocation errors and shove them where the sun don't shine..........You won't get them if you just burn the 2 folders as 'Data'. Choose the 'Burn without multisession' option.....z

[2COOL]

Originally posted by zardiw
I've never had one that wouldn't read in my standalone

The key part in your reply is "my standalone". If everyone in this whole world had "your" standalone DVD player, we wouldn't have a forum on DVD burning.;) But alas, it is not so. As as much as I want to do a "data" DVD movie, my Sony DVP-S300 refuses to recognize it and the same goes for DVDRWs.:(

Though I rarely do images, I do what I need to do to make me and my standalone happy.:D

[zardiw]

Ok, I stand corrected. Didn't think of that. I'm burning DVD+R's and using an APEX AD660......z

[Josh]

Originally posted by zardiw
Nero HAS to burn it if you choose Data mode. I don't know why everyone is going to image files, burning in DVD Video mode, etc. etc.

I move the VIDEO_TS folder across, make an AUDIO_TS folder and move that one across, and burn it. I've never had one that wouldn't read in my standalone.

Nero can take it's reallocation errors and shove them where the sun don't shine..........You won't get them if you just burn the 2 folders as 'Data'. Choose the 'Burn without continuation' option.....z

Yeah, I'm sure that works, but the nice thing about making an image is that you can load the .img file in daemon tools and find out if it plays first with windvd. Not necessary, just an extra precaution I like to take.

[Silverman2k1]

So is it true that it's not correct to copy ALL extra menu files (VTS_XY_0.*) onto the 2 disc VIDEO_TS directories, but it is enough to divide them between the two discs VIDEO_TS folders?

[Josh]

I'm not sure I follow you but, sometimes you can have just some of the other filesets and not all of them. I like to be safe though and add all other filesets and delete the vob files for the extras if they won't fit.

[zardiw]

You only need to copy the files that you will need on each disc. See here for an explanation:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47528



:cool:.....................z

[Josh]

Very cool Z!

[tillitea]

I have burned with nero while ignoring the error and had no problems. When I tried the -1 trick in IfoEdit, I received no error. But I got a coaster. How's that? Sorry. :(

[rauly31]

I have finally been able to split my videos into two different discs. I followed the Doom9 guide as well as the AfterDawn guide but none of the two really worked. I would get all the way up to burning with Nero and it would give me the "file allocation error". I never proceeded after that for fear of creating too many coasters. I already have enough of them anyways. Chibi Jasmin and Josh many thanks for your -1 trick. It seems to solve the problem. I was able to succesfully back-up Lord of the Rings - Twin Towers and am currently working on he Shawshank Redemption.

IfoEdit does a really good jobe of creating all the necessary .vob,.ifo, .buf files that you need. You don't really have to copy anything else that ifoedit doesn't already create with Disc 1 and Disc 2.

Just my two cents, this trick works.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by rauly31
Chibi Jasmin and Josh many thanks for your -1 trick. This trick has been mentioned in the first post of this long time sticky (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=33120) by Derrow. Chibi and Josh just brought it back to light for people who didn't do a good search.