DVDx 2.1 released!

[Mouse]

Anyone have a downloadlink handy? since the assholios at labdv forces people to pay $12 for a freeware (my ass) software.

Thanks in advance.

[darkvader]

DVDx "The Rookies Tool" :D is now being shared on E-Mule. Have fun with that piece garbage :rolleyes:

[dragongodz]

nice first post mouse. labv charge you to join and access to the webpages that include the downloads not the program. if you look around though (such as here on Doom9 i see)it will start turning up all over the place.

warning to mods and members. darkvader used to post on the DVDx forum when it was free. all he ever did was insult, be rude and crap on DVDx, never help people (unless you call constant replies of "use anything but this rubbish" help). it seems he hasnt changed. :)
and what a lovley second post. since june 2002 ?????

[darkvader]

@dragongodz,

Why don't you crawl back to the labdv hole you came from?
DVDx sucks, and even the new 2.1 version sucks. It's a "Rookies" tool and we don't use that crap here. If anyone is interested in reading what I posted in labdv, here's the thread: http://www.labdv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=2931&forum=16
And here: http://www.labdv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=1935&forum=16

Everyone have a laugh.
Sorry dragongodz, but we don't use garbage here.
You have always pissed me off because of all the poor souls that go to labdv asking for help on DVDx, and you always suggest "Oh did you try this? Oh did you try that?, when you know that DVDx is full of bugs and your answers are useless.

DV

[Doom9]

@mouse, darkvader: This is your one and only warning about rule4. Continue down that road and the strikes will start flying.

@mouse: regardless of what you think about labdv charing for access (I don't like it either but why I told them my concerns and suggestions for alternative solutions were shrugged off so I figured my input wasn't welcome and kept my mouth shut.. but that doesn't mean that I go flaming them).

@darkvader: I think you need an attitude change. Calling other programs crap, etc, is neither productive nor welcome here. XMpeg isn't exactly an advanced tool either and if all GKnot users would start flaming XMpeg, like you did with DVDx, then this place would be a mess.

[htc10825]

But I think also that DVDx is crap for advanced members - you may say this forum is also for newbies, but wait - if a newbie uses such program and do not learn the fine arts of VDub/Avisynth/CCE - he will NEVER become a advanced member. Just like as if there are special foods for children(for free), but after taking that the children will never grow after 12 years old - Would you give it to your children(in the future)? I will never do that.

Darkvader wrote some heavy words - maybe at the limit. But giving him a warning at once was also not the most humorous action.
Don't we all here are "just for fun"?

[darkvader]

Originally posted by Doom9

@darkvader: I think you need an attitude change. Calling other programs crap, etc, is neither productive nor welcome here. XMpeg isn't exactly an advanced tool either and if all GKnot users would start flaming XMpeg, like you did with DVDx, then this place would be a mess. [/B]

Not at all doom9. It's really very irritating to see a piece of software (even when it's free) advertized as "We fixed this, and that" on every new release, only to find out that if bombs "inconsistently" on a same movie on different places, and some times it works. But my attitude was directed at dragongodz, who continues to guide newbies incorrectly every time. This is what boils me. He ( and the developers of DVDx ) know that the program has bugs. But this guy continues to tell newbies to try different things, when they are posting the same problems over and over that others have posted, and there are just no workarounds!
Yes, I am aware that Xmpeg also has bugs, but there are workarounds. Once you learn it's quirks, you can use it with pretty good results. But DVDx, I still insist it's a joke, because even the new version 2.1 bombs with audio pauses and sync issues. Anyone who can read code can see that the sources for DVDx are a mess. It's an undocumented nightmare for developers, and that clearly tells me what the future of DVDx is :sly:
( btw, I don't use Xmpeg anymore. I'm way past that point ;) )

-DV

[Holomatrix]

Is there ever really going to be a real fix/solution for the VBV delay overflows problem? I know were suppossed to mess with the padding and VBV size settings, which never work for me.

Please explain. This seems to be a very good program, to bad you can't use it :(

[dragongodz]

well i have to disagree with some points here.

yes DVDx is aimed at the inexperienced (it says it right at the top of the guide that comes with it). that doesnt mean its a totaly newbie tool though. we could have just ripped out all the settings and done it with wizards, we didnt. there are plenty of other programs that do similar, try dvd2svcd, xmpeg, flask. they all keep it simple for newbies but also have options for more experienced people aswell. so why arent "advanced" users crapping on them ?
there are all sorts of options for people to play with and learn (hopefully) something about what they are doing. there are things like frameserving (to avisynth and cce in fact) so that makes that argument of not being "advanced" a bit suspect. maybe if people actually read the documentation and played with it they would understand that DVDx is more than people seem to think. as for using any program being a "fine art" then that sounds more like its functions are obscure and not understandable to the common user. while avisynth may fall in to that catagory at times i hardly think virtualdub or even cce does. they are pretty straight forward and not that hard to get started with.
as for DVDx not working with every dvd, well no i know that. i never said it did just as i never said DVDx didnt still have bugs(go back and read those threads you posted dv). the problems mainly are in ntsc and since neither Jean Luc or i live in an ntsc country it makes fixing them harder. so why dont you just stop saying something you know is a flat out lie.
as for me asking what settings people use and did they try this or that, well i need to know what they are doing to help them dont i ? oh thats right i should just say "use something else", very productive that.
also you have to understand that darkvader always carried on that he was a programmer and reading c++ was like reading a book and yet he never really contributed any code to fix bugs etc. infact i am yet to see 1 program he has contributed code to. so maybe criticism of the source code(not the program itself) should be made by those who actually DO write programs (that we can see and not be said without proof). though you did once try to get people to take the DVDx and start a project on sourceforge using it. since no one else was interested in joining you though it never went anywhere did it. :)

as for overflows/underflows, yes that should be fixed eventually but it is not high on priorities at the moment. why ? because we have always said (and still do) that the internal encoder is simply for fallback. that is if you have troubles frameserving or using premiere plugins etc but need to encode something now. for best results and speed you should frameserve to something like cce, tmpgenc etc

also neither Jean Luc nor i are a part of labdv. thats simply where DVDx is hosted. would i like to see it all back free instead of just the main page, history and reading the forum ? of course but thats not my decision.

so what it comes down to is if you dont like DVDx dont use it, but dont stand on your high horse and offhandedly call it crap unless you can(and do) write something better. saying there are specific bugs and under what circumstances they happen to us is helpful, insults arent.

[Holomatrix]

I was going to mention in my above post that I live in the NTSC world and maybe my problem only happens with NTSC movies. Hopefully you guys will test more with NTSC movies. Keep up the good work :)
Thanks, I like the program myself, and would use it more if I could.

[htc10825]

I must repeat:
Forget DVDx and turn to learn the fine arts of DVD2AVI/Avisynth/CCE
I had to see a friend of mine tried to convert his PAL-DVD "The Lord of the Rings 1 - Fellowship" with DVDx and got 3 VCDs with the AR 2.35:1. If you donnt have a TV-set over 29/32 inch or beamer you mut use a magnifying glass to watch the movie on his VCDs. But I've converted the same DVD to one CD-R(80min with overburn to 81m50s) and with burned subtitle, aspect ratio 1.85:1, with credits the movie length 184min. The quality is very good and better than the 3-VCD conversion because my conversion using a better AR and you donnt need a magnifying glass to watch the movie.
You may say in DVDx you can also set a custom AR(I donnt know if it can, but for a newbie it is not obvious) but you will NEVER get it on 1-VCD with such excellent quality.
NEVER

[Mouse]

Originally posted by dragongodz
[B]nice first post mouse. labv charge you to join and access to the webpages that include the downloads not the program.


Whats the difference?


if you look around though (such as here on Doom9 i see)it will start turning up all over the place.


I was somewhat hopefull, someone had it, before i had to search on pages/sites with a million popups :)

dragongodz : No mather what anyone else say's, i have to be honest - i like DVDx. The concept, and its easyness is superb. Now, anyone bashing the software, should also know something about programing, before they open their mouths. DVDx, what i understand, havent been released in that many versions yet? therefor i do understand if the software aint 1000% stable yet (2pass encode end, is still major buggy and making a movie, without dropping ~200-250 frames in the end, crashes the software).

Doom9 : I didnt mean to flame anyone, sorry if you thought i did. I was just bit pissed, that LabDV releases a *free* software, and at the same time forces people to pay for downloadaccess.