Renaming VTS sets

[JF1980]

Well, this is annoying me now.

I have removed VTS_02 and VTS_03 from a movie, these contained the copyright warning and studio jingle. I have edited the IFO so that the DVD skips trying to play these on start, so the movie works perfectly on the PC. I want to be able to play this back on a standalone, which it clearly will not do as with VTS_02 and VTS_03 missing, Gear Pro will not even burn the disc.

So, what I need to do is rename VTS_04 to VTS_02, VTS_05 to VTS_03 and so on. And change all references in the IFO's so that when I select from the menu, the player isn't still looking for VTS_11 (which is now VTS_09 etc). I tried renaming them and then in IFOedit using the get VTS sectors, but that clearly didn't work, any ideas?

Thanks,

Justin.

[geffroman]

I do this all the time...

I use VOBrator to look at the VIDEO_TS or VTS_xx_x VOBs that contain the FBI warning and sometimes PREVIEWS... Many times they have two or more IDs... Once I find the ID with the ID I want to remove, I strip it with IFOEDIT "VOB EXTRAS" Button...

This even works with FBI warnings hidden in VIDEO_TS.VOB files... Though you need to use the "MENU Extras" Button.

I just did Bourne Identity... I had to strip ID 4 & 5 out of VTS_03_1.VOB. This eliminated a PREVIEW (ID5) and the Marketing piece the studio put in for their website (ID 4). Both of these played after you got the main menu and pushed PLAY to start the movie.

The FBI warning label played when you put the disk in... This was ID 1 in VIDEO_TS.VOB. Also in the VOB file was the PG12 blue screen (ID 11)that came up with the previews that started with the play button.

I was able to STRIP ID again with IFOEDIT using "MENU Extras" Button.

Now when I put the disc in my stand alone I go straight to video clip of main menu... when I push play I got straight to movie... ALL CRAP IS GONE and all VOB files are represented...

Hope that helps...

[Eyes`Only]

I'm moving this thread. This is definitely NOT advanced DVD authoring.

[geffroman]

Can you tell us where you plan to put it...?

Thanks...

[Eyes`Only]

Well I moved it to DVD authoring, which I feel it more aptly belongs. Advanced authoring is for questions with Maestro, Scenarist, seamless branching, buttons over video, etc.

The description of the Advanced forum states: "This is where your advanced questions go. Multiangle, seamless branching, register programming, that kind of stuff."

[geffroman]

Thanks...

[JF1980]

I completly dissagree with you, I have now been asking how to do this in the chatrooms and on other forum systems for a week now, not one paerson has been able to tell me how, or even if it is possible. SO given that, I would say it's a pretty advanced Authoring question!

[Eyes`Only]

Well I don't really care if you disagree, I'm doing my job as a forum moderator to ensure that the forum doesn't get messy and unorganized.

Anyway, this has NOTHING to do with authoring really. Anyone can see that. All you're trying to do is manipulate filenames, etc. Not a bit of authoring.

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by JF1980
I completly dissagree with you, I have now been asking how to do this in the chatrooms and on other forum systems for a week now, not one paerson has been able to tell me how, or even if it is possible. SO given that, I would say it's a pretty advanced Authoring question!

Chances are, people are not replying to you for one of different reasons. Take your pick:

1) It's absurd to do in the first place because you are totally jacking with the original disc layout. You will have inconsistencies!

2) No one does what you are proposing because of reason #1.

3) Those that know you and the fact that you keep asking the same question which you should already know by now is a BAD idea, just don't care to respond to you.

At any rate, regardless of the reason, it's not an "advanced authoring" question, just as Eyes`Only said. It's just about renaming files and the consequences that go with it. You wouldn't get help in the advanced forum anyway because I highly doubt anyone there would do this sort of butchering to the disc layout.

[geffroman]

I gave the man a way to achieve his result without butchering the original layout keeping all intact and removing the junk he desired... True this is not the essence of AUTHORING... Accordingly, the moderator said it would be moved to a new location... I asked where it belonged as I too would like to better understand some of the terminology you guys follow...

There are people from many continents on this web site... language is a little bit of a barrier... Being rude is never needed... especially since you were not ever a productive part of the discussion...

The moderator did his job and doesn't need you flaming for him... The moderator could have been a little more informative about where this belonged... The author of the question didn't need to protest ... but none of that begged your response...

The real reason his question ended up here is because as YOU EVEN stated... it wasn't answered elsewhere... AND that was because he is a Junior member... Too many long term members treat Junior members like this... Being around longer and having more posts is not an immediate gauge of intellect...

If you are trying to limit this forum it is working... I for one don't appreciate people acting superior just because they have been around longer... If you are trying to create a closed club of self proclaimed "know it alls" who do NOT want new blood or new ideas it is working...

Chances are I am wealthier than you... Bigger than you... smarter than you... Employ more people than you... Have more possessions than you... Been in the media more than you... BUT I DON"T CLAIM to be superior... and strongly object to you and others doing it in this forum because your handle might call you a Senior Member...

I don't know what got you in such a mood today, but you should apologize the the author of this thread...

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by geffroman
I don't know what got you in such a mood today, but you should apologize the the author of this thread...

Nothing to apologize for. Was just stating facts. I am a very blunt person and you've obviously taken my statement of "facts" as offensive. Your childish remarks would seem to indicate you are easily offended and become defensive. As for a "closed club" it has never been that way. In fact, I have a link in my signature that shows EXACTLY what I do personally. I share what I do with everyone and give them tips about how they too can have a successful project each and every time. I ask for feedback concerning the method and site on the forum. I would hardly call this a "closed club". I share all of my ideas. As well as (as you can see) my thoughts and opinions. You claim to not fancy yourself "superior" to myself and others yet your entire post was pretentious at best but mostly just condescending.

[geffroman]

I do not expect after criticizing you that I will receive any help in the future from this forum... and I fully understand that my comments to you would pretty much make me unwelcome here... Luckily, I am able to read, learn and test for myself as I have been for some time... For that reason I feel compelled to tell the truth, call a spade a spade and not concern myself with childish fall out in the form of having my posts IGNORED...

If you and your kind would for ONE BRIEF MOMENT THINK before talking down to every JUNIOR MEMBER that posts here... you yourself would be a better person... and my blathering would then be well worth the effort...

I for one listen to everyone... from my bookkeeper to the warehouse man to the cleaning crew that takes care of our trash and toilets... I learn things from them all... and the ONLY reason they feel comfortable talking to the President of their company is because I DON'T talk down to them because of position or title...

I talk down to YOU because you treated the author of this thread rudely just because he was a newbie... and you seemed to relish doing it... Don't confuse being direct with being mean spirited... It's not the first time I have seen this behavior from moderators and Senior Members on this forum...

I have been reading in silence for over a year... What makes it closed to newcomers is the way you and your kind make people feel UNWELCOME... There are people out here in cyberland that JUST DON'T POST because they don't want to be slammed for asking a stupid question... You deserve to feel just a little ashamed... But you won't...

Adios...

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by geffroman
I do not expect after criticizing you that I will receive any help in the future from this forum...

I assure you that if you were to ask for help, myself and anyone else would be glad to assist you with your problem, geffroman. You've not said anything yet that I find overly offensive or would give me cause to alienate you. You are just speaking your mind and I have no problem with that. Feel free. I do. :D

Originally posted by geffroman
I talk down to YOU because you treated the author of this thread rudely just because he was a newbie...

I think the real problem here is that you do not frequent the IRC channel we spend day and night assisting people on, geffroman. Before this user came to the forum he was not only rude to operators on the IRC channel but also refused to listen to advice given. His constant "bad attitude" even got him banned from the channel (not even by me but another op) and I have to say, you have to be pretty bad for that to happen! You obviously were not privy to this background so I guess coming in as an outsider on the situation, things might appear biased to you. Sorry about that.

[geffroman]

I appreciate the kind remarks and history...

Maybe my jumping to defend and promote good will will affect us all... ever the author of the thread if his former remarks have been negative...

[JF1980]

Thanks geffroman, I think your comments do actually describe the doom9 community very well be it the chat room or the forums.

As for you TRILIGHT, it will not cause inconsistencies if done in the correct manner, which is why I have been asking HOW I would do it correctly. Just because you don't know the answer, dont call it absurd!
:p

[JF1980]

And actually, I was banned from the IRC channel because I stood up to Eyes`Only and told him that he didn't know as much as he would like to think. This was after me spending many hours following his so called advice, then after much research I found out that my problem was actually nothing to do with what he had told me, and was infact quite a simple issue that any person worthy of being a moderator would have known. When asking him why he sent me off on a wild goose chase when any person of his experiance should have known the problem, he said maybe it was because he didn't like me, then proceded to ban me. I wouldn't call this being pretty bad, and I think that anyone else who has been in there will tell you that bans are just the moderators way of extending their little power trips and also concealing their incompetance.

refused to listen to advice given

The whole issue was that I followed it exactly, not questioning whether or not the person in question had an IQ of more than 10!

Anyway TRILIGHT, You obviously were not privy to this background so I guess coming in as an outsider on the situation, things might appear biased to you.

[Eyes`Only]

Ironically, this was situation resulted from another misuse of the word 'authoring'! JF1980 came in the channel asking how to author using IFOEdit and CCE. I told him (the correct way, to the best of my knowledge). Since he said he was having problems, we started working on the fact that maybe he was doing interlacing incorrectly (we all know about the field order bug in CCE!).

Turns out he wasn't 'authoring' at all. He was trying to REMUX using IFOEdit with CCE. Which can't be done, we all know that. Even as moderator, I can't read someone's mind and figure out they mean one thing when they say something totally different.

he said maybe it was because he didn't like me

This part only came about after you said some very rude things, disobeyed channel rules (talked about illegal software), talked crap to me, etc. You were constantly swearing, with no regard to some of the ages of ppl in our channel. You blantantly stated that you cared less about our channel rules when asked to not talk about illegal software. I have logs of all this, including all the stuff you said in #pcdvd once you were banned.

Examples:

[08:01] <JF1980> no, im making illegal copies, with illegal software

[07:25] <JF1980> that doesn't matter, I never said it was, my point was that CCE cannot reproduce the original frame structure because it (as far as it is concerned) only takes in a raw avi stream, so does not have the strutural info from the original vobs
[07:30] <Guggemand> i wish if was possible to tell cce the structure :)
[07:34] <JF1980> heh, CCE would have to be a decent program to do that ;)
[07:38] <Rated> its for those who want 1 button processing
[07:38] <Rated> its lazy :P
[07:38] <Rated> do you think eyesonly does that
[07:38] <Rated> or doom9
[07:38] <JF1980> lol, eyesonly doesn't even know that you cant remux a CCE video into a vob using IFOedit
[07:41] <Rated> eyes and me and most others never bothered with ReMPEG
[07:41] <Rated> due to its being not up to par as CCE's encoding
[07:41] <Rated> he was trying to help you

[07:00] <Rated> why remux with ifoedit
[07:00] <JF1980> I never said it wasnt
[07:00] <Rated> just reauthor
[07:00] <Rated> i dont understand how your trying to make vobs
[07:00] <Rated> your authoring correct ?
[07:00] <ReggieUK> he's downsampled the vobs
[07:00] <JF1980> umm, lets think, it's a bit more difficult to reauthor than to just hit the remux button
[07:01] <Rated> i realize that, man your a spiteful person
[07:01] <Rated> trying to help you
[07:01] <Rated> and your biting my head off

[08:34] <Hoogz> Eyes is one of the most helpful and generous people on this channel when it comes to knowledge and taking the time to help.
[08:34] <JF1980> I just think Eyes is a prick, not got a problem with anyone else in here.
[08:34] <JF1980> lol
[08:35] <+ArieBK> JF1980: still ... no matter what you think on any ... don't talk like that !
[08:43] <Hoogz> I assure you, Eyes knows fully well how IfoEdit and CCE work together. You must not have explained yourself enough or asked the right questions.
[08:43] * ^Sp|ke^ sets mode: +v Eyes`Only
[08:43] * +ArieBK agree with Hoogz

Just from these short examples anyone can see what type of person you are. I also have logs of all the chats I had with the ops of #pcdvd, where after you were only in #pcdvd for maybe 10 minutes, I PM'd them and said, "See why I banned him?", and every single one of them said, "Yeah, I would have too". You're a nuisance. Keep up your insolence and you'll be banned here too.

Did you think I singled you out when I moved your thread? I moved 4 others that day. You are the only one that complained. Ironically, I knew you would, since I've dealt with you before and know how you are. But as a moderator, this is one of my duties, and I did so without any thought as to personal feelings (or lack of) for you.

I will continue to moderate without consideration to your attitude, unless it comes across one of my forums, in which case I will take the actions I am supposed to.

geffroman: I'm sorry you had to get involved in what appears to be JF1980's personal war. Your postings were both informative and well written. Since you seem to like to play with .ifos, let me ask you this... have you attempted button-over-video titles? You seem like a good candidate for them. Believe me, once you've done one or two, you'll really be proud of your accomplishment!

[JF1980]

[08:01] <JF1980> no, im making illegal copies, with illegal software

Heh, that ones a bit out of context isn't it? And missing the part that also has other people also saying that and agreeing that is is so stupid everyone pretending that they are only 'backing up' their own discs is stupid. It also misses one of the ops of that room then sending me quite a bit of expensive software.

In the rest of that log, I can't see that I am being offensive, you can tell im tired of people who don't know a great deal more than me, trying to act like experts, but Im not offensive (not before you banned me for not agreeing with you anyway).

Im pretty sure that this situation did not result from another misuse of the word 'authoring'! I stated that I was using IFO edit's remux function to inject video that I had re-encoded with CCE, back into the vobs, exactly as I had previously done after using rempeg to re-encode. This was giving very jerky playback with loss of sync. I was told this was an issue caused by the field order and to use pulldown etc etc.

As for #pcdvd maybe you did slag me off to some of your friends in there, but I have found most of the people in there to be pretty helpful, unlike the doom room they don't just tell new faces to go and read every tutorial nder the sun before they try to help.

WE may as well close this thread now as the two of us could go on forever and the thread is serving no purpose as far as help is concerned.

[Eyes`Only]

WE may as well close this thread now as the two of us could go on forever and the thread is serving no purpose as far as help is concerned. Agreed. On your request, I'm closing this thread.