This sounds good

[Jayce]

I saw this link on the german Heise site, and i must admit it really works very well. I used the demo version to transcode a part of movie, and it was lightning fast!..
(encoded the 30 minutes just under the 8 minutes on my Athlon XP2100)

Maybe it's worth checking http://www.dvd2one.com

(ps i hope this doesn't sound like spam or anything, i just wanted to share this with all of you)

[atreides93]

So it seems they transcode the entire movie eh? I wonder how the quality compares to my CCE re-encodes.

[Jayce]

That was exactly my concern too, and i checked by reference.

I took my original Starwars EP2, ripped out a chapter and rebuild that to a dvd with ifoedit.

Then transcoded that part with CCE and with DVD2ONE. And i must admit i was pretty amazed, i can't find any real quality diferences between those.

But what really confinced me in using this program was the ease, just rip-proces-burn. Saves me a lot of time per movie :)

[-h]

Transcoding that fast is possible, it's probably re-using the motion vectors, frame types and block types from the first pass. That would speed things considerably, all you do is increase quantizers as per rate control and re-quantize the compensated data.

-h

[Zhnujm]

there was a test in the ct of a program that uses a similar system to recompress the movie. the results were also very good. (it was a alpha version and its not out yet)
if the results are really that good ( i havnt tried yet) this will be the future of dvd -> dvd-r backup, i think.

[-h]

MPEG-2 transcoding is an old (and well-researched) area due to the fact that broadcasters so often have to do real-time bitrate reductions on digital streams.

There are probably better ways to do it than what I mentioned.

-h

[Zhnujm]

im really looking forward for such a program for my dvb captures.
it would save a lot of my time. :)

[gooki]

Sorry to take this of topic.

Zhnujm, what DVB card, and software are you using?

[Zhnujm]

@gooki:
im using a hauppauge nexus-s + progdvb.

[golfextreme]

I got the full version and so far, so good. I haven't been able to sit down and watch a whole movie all the way through, but, on scan it looks good. Only took 15 mins to do a 2hr movie with ac3 and dts sound. This will save the several hours it would take to re-encode a movie and then do the re-authoring. If I run into any problems, I'll post them.

[atreides93]

please let us know what the original size of the vob's was, and what the converted size was.

[Jayce]

DVD2one automaticly makes sure the end-size of the vobs is somewhere around 4.37 Gb (x1024 not x1000!).
It adjusts the compression ratio on the fly constantly.

But if the source vobs with the stripped languages are smaller then that 4.37 Gb is just rebuilds the IFO files without any recompression!
(just like ifo-edit would do that)

[goodl]

Jayce, I owe you a debt of gratitude, I took a leap of faith, bought, tested and found a diamond in this program. The damn thing rules :D :D :D:cool:

[golfextreme]

I did the bourne identity which was over 6gigs, it recompressed to 4.3gigs. I couldn't tell a difference between that one and the one I did with CCE. Great program.

[ssdvdman]

Same here, I bought the software and just did the Windtalkers at 134mins and close to 5.7gb. The process was so easy and the final dvd-r was absolutely great. Thanks for the link!!!

[Jayce]

Your all welcome, i gladly help my fellow dvd-burner owners :)

[armyb77]

Ok I bought this program yesterday, and I tell you that it is great! It took me 45mins from ripping to sticking DVD-r into standalone DVD play!! Talk about an improvement! CCE has good quality picture but takes a lot longer. This program does it all in 8 to 20 mins, and the quality is equal to the original! I did Armageddon which is over 8GB for the movie only, it shrunk it down to 4.36GB in 22mins and I couldn't even tell the difference from the original on my TV. Very little different was noticed on my Computer. I've also done Bad Company (7GB) it took 18mins and I couldn't tell the difference on my computer or TV! I hate buying anything..lol But I have to say that this program was worth the US$43.55 I paid. His website shows that new versions will include some great features, and it you buy the current version then he'll give you the upgrades free!

The funniest thing about this program is the size of it, it's a wopping 96KB...lol but it is good.

Thanks for listening
Armyb77

[Zhnujm]

after a test i would say the quality is good but not as good as a complete reencode.
definitly nothing for high bitrate reduction (2 movies to 1 dvd) but extremly fast and easy.

[gooki]

I'd agree, great for the quick easy option, but the quality does suffer a little.

[atreides93]

Alright!! now that even Doom9 mentions it in his news page, I'm going to give it a try.
I just ordered by online a few minutes ago.

[padre]

I've bought it on Friday, and the results look pretty good to me! I took Summer of Sam (about 6.8gb movie), reduced it to 4.3gb with dvd2one. I watched it beginning to end, couldn't notice any quality issues. I've never used CCE, but for a simple program - it does a nice job.

[atreides93]

Just tried it out. Well what can I say other than it works! The interface is really simple and lacks any settings, but for what it does it really doesn't need anything else in the GUI.

It takes the main movie, transcodes it to an output folder, then sets up the IFO's so they just play the movie. No menus are kept though. I'm wondering if I can just copy the new VOB's on top of the old ones and ignore the IFO's...
I'll try that when I find some time.

[2COOL]

Me and a friend of mine just did Widows using DVD2one and successfully retained menu afterwards. Copied the transcoded VOBs over the original movie vobs and IFOupdated to correct chapters. From there, it's a matter of tweaking with IFOedit. But the main goal was to retain the menu.

I haven't searched and found anyone doing this yet but I like to say that you can. The movie with 2 audio tracks and 1 subtitle was about 6.5GB. After DVD2one, I got 4.34GB. Not bad for a first shot and it only took me about a little over a hour from start to burn.

2C:cool::cool:L

[REECYCUP]

2cool whats up?
got the program sent to me didnt know what it was
tried it it works pretty good
(problem)
the program cuts the movie so close every time theres no room to add
menus(how did u do that?)unless the menus are very small?
and theres no allowing for it

[2COOL]

Originally posted by REECYCUP
2cool whats up?
got the program sent to me didnt know what it was
tried it it works pretty good
(problem)
the program cuts the movie so close every time theres no room to add
menus(how did u do that?)unless the menus are very small?
and theres no allowing for it

REECYCUP,

Well, I have only tried it on one DVD so far. I don't know the full details of DVD2one but what I gathered on through the internet, every DVD you use with DVD2one brought to down to a constant 4.36? or was it 4.37? Well anyway, it just makes it fit just right. Now for my movie Widows, I selected to keep both my 2 language tracks ,English and French, and English subtitles. Well when I move it over to the original movie folder, it shot up to about 4.62GB. Now, this movie was in Titleset 1 and I had another Titleset that contained only trailers.

I guess I was lucky to have kept all audios because a simple French audio strip brought my movie down to 4.36GB. Yes, my menu vob was very small. It was 932KB and it had non-motion menus. The total size for all my files besides the new movie VOBs was about 1.24 MB.

If I had more than 2 audios or subtitles, I would've have more to play with if I had a bigger menu vob. But here's a little diary on what I did after with Widows after DVD2one.

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1. Dragged my original movie VOBs to a different folder.
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2. Dragged my DVD2one movie VOBs, VTS_01_1 to 5, into my original movie folder.
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4. Get VTS Sectors
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5. Use IfoUpdate to correct chapters on VTS_01_1.IFO.
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6. Stripped out French Audio
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7. Tweaked some things using IFOedit (bypass FBI warnings, company logos, disable trailers button)
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8. Save IFO
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9. Get VTS Sectors
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10. Burn just VIDEO_TS.* and VTS_01_*.* files
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Again, this is the only DVD I’ve done so far. It may not work for all DVDs but for my first try, I've proven that you can retain the original menu.

I guess the trick is to keep all audio and subtitles and then strip unwanted stuff after DVD2one. The more audio and subtitles to have, the more to strip and gain more space.

2C:cool::cool:L

[2COOL]

Just wanted you people to know that I just did my second movie with About a Boy to see if I could keep the menu and successfully did it.

The trick is that you need to select everything in DVD2one and strip afterwards. You'll always get 4.36GB(4.69GB) with DVD2one but stripping after that lowers your movie size more so that you can hopefully make room for your menu vob and Video_ts.vob if it's small enough.

Here's a summary of what I got...

Before DVD2one:
VIDEO_TS.BUP, VIDEO_TS.IFO, VIDEO_TS.VOB = 1.5MB
VTS_01_0.BUP, VTS_01_0.IFO = 197KB
VTS_01_0.VOB: 86MB
VTS_01_1.VOB THRU VTS_01_5.VOB = 5.16GB

After DVD2one:
VTS_01_1.VOB THRU VTS_01_5.VOB = 4.7GB

This movie had a English, French, commentary, english subs, and spanish subs. I stripped out French audio and spanish subs

After stripping:
VTS_01_1.VOB THRU VTS_01_5.VOB = 4.39GB

Total movie:
VIDEO_TS.BUP, VIDEO_TS.IFO, VIDEO_TS.VOB = 1.5MB
VTS_01_0.BUP, VTS_01_0.IFO = 197KB
VTS_01_0.VOB: 86MB
VTS_01_1.VOB THRU VTS_01_5.VOB = 4.39GB
All files together total 4.48GB

Note: Since I didn't keep the bonus materials, VTS_01_0.VOB could've been stripped of its unwanted menus to get more space. Also I could've strip out the commentary too.

2C:cool::cool:L

[waldok]

Hi 2Cool,

I don't understand why you keep the extras audio streams and subpictures when you can remove them directly at DVD2one transcoding time. Any particular reason to keep those and then strip them out ?

[Edited]
Well I think I just got it. If you remove them at transcoding time, then the final file size will still b 4.36, am I right ? DVD2one will adapt itself to 4.36GB from the material you selected in the menu, is that it?
Now I see the point of keeping extras stuff and stripping it afterwards to be able to add menus in the end.

Great idea (and dumb me)
Off-topic : By the way, regarding lilo&stitch, I finally gave up on creating a "2cool-like" cheat sheet for region 2. I definitely can't spend enough time on this these days.


Waldok:cool:

[2COOL]

Originally posted by waldok

Well I think I just got it. If you remove them at transcoding time, then the final file size will still b 4.36, am I right ? DVD2one will adapt itself to 4.36GB from the material you selected in the menu, is that it?

Exactly!;)

2C:cool::cool:L

[red321]

2Cool

Just what I tried as soon as I got this programme.

For those of you who want to try this, 2 things to make sure;

1)you run dvd2one on the original vobs, with no stripping.

2) To use ifoupdate succesfully, you then need to strip the original/ifo back to a single PGC. This gives you an "original" ifo file that can be updated with the new chapter points from the dvd2one authored or you will end up with a title set that fails that will not play on a dvd player.

Looking forward to a version that allows you to define the final size. I would then use this prog as a quick/beter quality Rempeg, in conjunction with ifoedit.

A truely awesome bit of coding, does the job, no bells and whistles, and less than 100K !

[ux-3]

Why not strip it a second time with dvd2one? Once it is down to 4.3 GB, DVD2one should do it fast with no further compression, just taking out that french noise.

[leisuredoc]

I gotta tell you, this is one cool, tiny but powerful application. I haven't extensively evaluated it, but after pulling out the few hairs that I have on on my head trying to split my daughter's "The Matrix" with full features using both Doom9 guides and KiNgFeNiX guides, I gave up.

I decided to take just the main movie. After following the Doom9 guide (basically IfoEdit) on rendering just the main movie, I ended up with a total filesize of 4.93 GB. Just a bit too large for a DVD-5. Ran DVD2ONE on what it called Title 10 (38 Chapters), ImgTools to create an .img file then DVDDecryptor to burn a single DVD-R. The filesize was 4.35 GB and the result was as close as the original as I could detect. Probably the further you are from 4.37 GB, the less the quality would be, but definitely a useful tool when you don't want two DVD-R's and you are "so close."
leisuredoc
:p

[klona]

That's OK, but you cannot do that for movies with more than 1 PGC in the main VTS ? Right ?

And it cannot work also if Bonuses are too large and stripping language do not empty enough room for bonuses & menus.

And clearly, most of new movies have complex structures. Look @ Ice Age R2 ; 5 VTS, 2 PGC for main VTS1 (OK), but about 35 PGC for VTS3 with bonuses, and 2 PGC have 5 angles. Hughh.
Just to say that there will be always limitations to such tools compare to a manual job. ie, human brain and adaptation ability are more powerful than an automated process.

But quite a nice tool already, I agree.
I would love to have only the Encoding part, wich should keep GOP intact, in order to replace the good old but slow and not-so-good-quality Rempeg2.

As I just mentionned Ice Age, I just did a rempeg2 encoding of VTS3 @40%, and did not demux to CCE to Reauthor (What a nightmare ! )

[2COOL]

Originally posted by klona
That's OK, but you cannot do that for movies with more than 1 PGC in the main VTS ? Right ?

Yes, you can. I've done three movies with multi-PGCs

And it cannot work also if Bonuses are too large and stripping language do not empty enough room for bonuses & menus.

Yes, you can again for menus but not bonus materials. You can also strip your menu vob of it's unwanted menus (bonus materials) and possibly your VIDEO_TS.VOB down to the smallest VOB-ID.

People using DVD2one know already that they won't be keeping the bonus materials from the start. but keeping the menu alone is a big bonus for them.

2C:cool::cool:L

[red321]

2cool
How did you use it with multiple PGC's.

I had to stripp the original to create a single PGC ifo, or you cannot use ifoupdate ??

[atreides93]

hey guys, are you copying just the VOB and IFO for the main PGC or are you ripping the entire DVD in FILE mode and then using dvd2one? i normally use IFO mode..but the dvd2one web page recommends file mode...which is slower.

[2COOL]

@red321

I'm just on memory right now as I'm at work. I believe when you use DVD2one, you will get less cells than the original IFO. So IFOupdate will detect upon cell mismatch in cell mode. You will get a the message to update IFO but recommends not doing so. Well, I just go about and doing it anyway. Prior to doing this, I view the original movie and write down the titles that come after the movie before you return to your menu. It's a simple tweak to bypass those. Usually, the PGCs that aren't in your program chain 1 are like a few seconds of blank screen or logos. I try to keep the original IFO intact as much as I can.

@atreides93

I rip ALL files with Smartripper's file mode. I like to view the whole thing so that I need to know what to get rid of later. You can rip in IFO if you got all the necessary data by just viewing your DVD using IFOedit. Like knowing what intros,post, and titles that come after pressing Play. Time is not important to me as I strip and surf simultaneously to pass time.

2C:cool::cool:L

[klona]

It sounds strange to me to use a single PGC VTS to ifoupdate a multi-PGC one. Best solution to have compatibility and synchro problems I think.

But you are right,DVD2One is not intended to do 1:1 copies with all menus bonus, but just straight forward movie only copy.

[SciFer]

Never mind.