Sprited Away (Miyazaki's) interlaced ?

[NoLogo]

I'm ripping Spirited Away, which is a PAL 25FPS DVD, and I have a problem with it.
I know that PAL movies shouldn't be interlaced, but when I previewed the vobs with DVD2AVI, it seemed to be (I could see typical interlacing artifacts: short strings arounds the moving parts of image). Then, when encoding the movie, I used Decomb and Telecide, to remove the ghost image (some kind of double images, what made me think it was interlaced).
The results were great (they almost entirely disappeared) but the playback is jerky, as if about 2 or 3 contiguous frames were identical. FieldDeinterlace gave me perfect playback BUT with those awfull ghosts... :(

So, my question is: is there a way to have perfect playback and perfect image ? I tried many Telecide options (guide, threshold, decimate, etc) but always get the same result, and FieldDeinterlace gives me same result as without any deinterlacing method...

Here's my AVS:

LoadPlugin("E:\Rippage\Progz\YU12\Filtres AVS 2.5\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
LoadPlugin("E:\Rippage\Progz\YU12\Filtres AVS 2.5\TomsMoComp.dll")
LoadPlugin("E:\Rippage\Progz\YU12\Filtres AVS 2.5\Decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("E:\Rippage\Progz\YU12\Filtres AVS 2.5\Convolution3dYV12.dll")
mpeg2source("E:\Rippage\Ripp\D2vz\chihiro.d2v")
trim(25000,27500)
#TomsMoComp(1,15,1)
#Telecide(guide=2)
Convolution3D(preset="AnimeHQ")
crop(20,20,680,536)
LanczosResize(680,368)

I can attach two frames (2x13ko) with and without Telecide, to see what I get (and badly described), if anybody needs.

Hope someone can help.

Regards
NoLogo

[Guest]

If you don't like the ghosts, use:

FieldDeinterlace(blend=false)

If it is just a PAL field shift you need, you can try Telecide with mm=1 or mm=2, depending on the field dominance.

Finally, you may require Decimate(25) after Telecide for some PAL clips.

[NoLogo]

Thx neuron2 for the reply, I can't remember if I tried FieldDeinterlace(blend=false) or not, but I'm gonna do this. About Decimate(25), I used it but it didn't remove the desired frames (and tehn it made the playback even more jerky...).
Whatever, I'm gonna try everything you adviced me.

Regards
NoLogo

[Guest]

Instead of just trying everything, you should try to understand the source of the problem. :)

Did you, for example, analyse your source using SeparateFields()?

[DJ Bobo]

You people just won't learn.

How many times has this been discussed?! too many times!

fielddeinterlace()

and live with the blends!
no way around it!

THERE IS VERY FEW ANIME PAL DVDs THAT ARE PROGRESSSIVE OR FIELD SHIFTED!!!!!!!!
The only ones I know are the DBZ & Saint Seiya french DVDs. Almost all others are blended/interlaced, just a pain in the ass if you wanna rip them!

[Guest]

Quite right. If it has blended fields you just have to live with the blends.

[angelyote]

@DJ Bobo: This is a forum for discussion. The anger that comes across in your post is just going to scare 'us people who just won't learn' away.

I enjoy seeing some topics rehashed because I don't know everything and don't remember everything I may have known at some point.

I hope NoLogo got what he needed from Donald's helpful responses and that the 'those people who just won't learn' (or haven't been around long enough to know) don't get too freaked out to post, read and learn.

Dave

[NoLogo]

DJ Bobo>

Quick reply just to inform: the fact is with OR without it, FieldDeinterlace() gives me the same results, whereas Telecide removes most of the blends but makes the video choppy (especially on low travelling). So, there's a way to live without blends...
One more question: do you think I havent search all over the forum before asking for help ? Maybe some things have confused me, maybe my english toyed with me... but I searched.

neuron2>

Nothing of what you adviced worked... But thanx again.

[Guest]

@NoLogo

Do you understand what blended fields are and why they create an intractable problem? Some problems just do not have a solution.

[NoLogo]

neuron2>

Yes, I (at least think I do) understand what blend fileds are, but I found strange tere is no way to get both effects of Telecide() and FieldDeinterlace()... But if you say this isn't possible, well, I believe I have to surrender...

Regards
NoLogo

[OUTPinged_]

@neuron2

actually blend 30->24fps transfers can be restored to some degree, one man is working at this problem atm.

Though it's hopeless on some material which has a dumb CurrFrame=PrevFrame+CurrFrame+NextFrame blend, like UY r1 dvd do :/

[Guest]

Originally posted by OUTPinged_
actually blend 30->24fps transfers can be restored to some degree, one man is working at this problem atm.When there is a deliverable product, please let us know. :)

[dadawi]

The best way to understand what happens :
- Try to use DoubleWeave() which gives you 50fps.
- Analyse frame by frame what's going on using vdub
- Use SelectEvery() to select only good fields.

Or else use SeparateFields() as Neuron already said.

BTW, I found a good post for explaination :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30709&highlight=ivtc+anime+decomb
Part 2 is your main help.

IMO between jerkiness and ghosting effects, I prefer ghosting.
If you can't get rid of blend fields, juste deinterlace.

OUTPinged => sounds VERY interesting :D