New tutorial for copying DVD's

[kingfenix]

I have written a new tutorial for copying DVD's for even most of the pickiest players, I have had 100% success rate following this method, and would like to share it with you all.

If you are interested in reading it and providing me feedback on how well it works for you and what problems you encountered with it if any, then please email kingfenix@cox.net for a copy.

Doug

[OUTPinged_]

Can you post a http link there?

More people reading it = feedback = good.

[kingfenix]

I will be posting it, but only after I get some feedback from a group that is requesting via email. I dont want to publish anything to the WWW that isnt FULLY tested, and being a user and not a company, I dont have a lot of test equipment...

I have written this tutorial as a result of a month+ of research into different guides and methods including use of such programs as DVD X Copy, and there was always something missing or something that must not have been compatible, and so...

I have written my own tutorial that is extremely detailed, and leaves nothing to the wondering mind, that makes you say "what the F#$K!" and works for my equipment when nothing else has...

Doug

[yfan]

email me a copy i'd be glad to test it out...yfan1109@hotmail.com

[scimani2]

ill take a copy as well...thanks...good luck with it

[kingfenix]

please email me at kingfenix@cox.net to get on the list I am sending it to...

Doug

me too's wont be added....

[Rejetor]

let me check :D

rejetor@iol.pt

[COBBY]

i would like a copy to please neilcobb@primus.com.au

COBBY

[kingfenix]

last time folks...

anyone wanting my tutorial should email a request to kingfenix@cox.net

all the me too's posted here are ignored...

Doug

[kingfenix]

I have started an email group at www.smartgroups.com called DVD-Education, and I am very excited about this. I have added the programs used by the tutorial to the files section along with the tutorial that I have sent you all. The beta 3 release which hopefully you all would like to get your hands on, is already there as well. This email group is private and "invite only", I will be posting any updates to the existing tutorial as well as new tutorials in the groups file section.

If you would like to be a member you MUST request an invitation by emailing kingfenix@cox.net and asking for it

Doug Crowe (KiNgFeNiX)

[georgio]

fk@gr-lakes.com if you wouldnt mind.

thanks

[TRILIGHT]

No offense, "king", but I feel like your approach is contrary to the spirit of "sharing knowledge" that this forum is founded on. You should make your method available to all here to review. Afterall, you will not only get a wider test base but won't be surrounding yourself with only "yes men" who just go along with what you say without providing constructive criticism. The method I personally follow is listed on the link in my signature. There is not one DVD I have not been able to backup *fully* using this method.

At any rate, to quote your own first post "...would like to share it with you all." I would assume this means all and not the select few people who send you an e-mail address. We all learn from each other's successes and failures.

[vljenewein]

TRILIGHT: I've been to your site and you have great stuff. I also incuded the link to your site in the above mentioned 'forums' group. I personally would like to see some sort of sharing or link here as well. So.. with that in mind, my 2 cents worth about a pretty extraordinary progam I stumbled across... if I may.. *S*

I have been playing around with a DVD back up software called DVD2one. VERY impressed.

Movie: Divine Secrets of the Ya Ya Sisterhood.

Software: DVD Decrypter, DVD2one, IFOEdit, Nero 5.5.10.0

Start at 7:11 P.M. Placed movie in DVD drive and opened up DVD Decrypter. Setting is for I/O of WINASPI 32 4.71.1 version, use FILE mode, burn main movie, plus the first few files associated above it.
Final rip 6,345,080,832 bytes (too big for 1 DVD.
Start DVD2one program. Choose main movie, Endlish language, no subtitles, main angle. Source is the VIDEO_TS folder in the ripped movie from DVD Decrypter. Destination folder is one I created called "C:\YA_YA_BURN\VIDEO_TS" Time to complete the stip and re-mux task (make the files fit onto 4.7GB) was 17 minutes!! Yes, that's right 17 minutes. Normally takes me 8 or so hours using REMPEG2 go do a re-make of the movie files.
NEXT: Used IFOEdit, and now go to the folder containing the newer and smaller movie files, and click on VIDIO_TS.IFO and get that. Check the "Get VTS SEctors" and most times it re-does the pointers. Not now.. DVD2one did it on the fly. So, all I do next is click "region free" (which is really a bonus, and not really needed) and it makes the new movie region free, click SAVE and save the same file name as appears, and created a .BUP as well.

Next: Nero Burning Rom software. DO NOT use wizard!! DO NOT choose DVD VIDEO!! resulting burned DVD will not be compliant and will fail to play in a set top player. CHOOSE -> UDF mode and give the DVD a name. then click "NEW" and you then choose the drive and folder where the movie is, and copy over the empty AUDIO_TS folder (I created it back in the very beginning when I created the folder for the movie to go to), and click and paste the VIDEO_TS folder over onto the left. Now burn! When complete, put into player and watch movie.

There are no main menus, no traliers, etc etc.. just the movie, but it plays beautiful.

End of Nero burn was at 8:38 .. so it took 1 hour and 27 minutes to burn from the very beginning of rip, re-encode to final burn. The program DVD2one is written in machine language to make it work faster, and I guess it has acomplished that in a BIG way. I'm impressed! This is the 4th movie that has been that easy to burn and they ALL were above the 4.7 GB limit when originally ripped. This is a try and if you like buy software, and believe me, it's worth it.

Vernon
jenefarm@direway.com

[qazpol]

"Next: Nero Burning Rom software. DO NOT use wizard!! DO NOT choose DVD VIDEO!! resulting burned DVD will not be compliant and will fail to play in a set top player. "

I keep on seeing this in alot of posts, but I do not understand why/ This is the way I have burned ALL my dvd's and they have played in every dvd player I have tried. From my Pioneer dvd changer down to my audiovox player in my SUV. Can someone please give some insight to this?

Thanks!

[TRILIGHT]

I always use DVD Video, qazpol. I don't know what these people are referring to. They must be doing something incorrect at some point. (Aside from doing movie-only backups which they could do with free software anyway. hehe ;) )

[qazpol]

Originally posted by TRILIGHT
I always use DVD Video, qazpol. I don't know what these people are referring to. They must be doing something incorrect at some point. (Aside from doing movie-only backups which they could do with free software anyway. hehe ;) )

Thanks TRILIGHT, I thought I was missing something. I have done a few movie only dvd's using both dvd2one and the manual way of using ifoedit and vobedit to get rid of the credits, etc.. and burned them with no problem using dvd video in Nero. The movies that need encoding to fit on one disc is a bit out of my league right now. Maybe with some time to learn it I will transistion over but for now I will use this neat little program that has stirred up such an interesting debate ;)

Thanks for the reply and the tips here at at your site!

[TRILIGHT]

You're very welcome! I started to write a guide based on a flowchart layout so that *anyone* could just follow the steps and do a full backup but everyone seems more interested in doing movie-only stuff with this software so I've dropped the idea. Just not much point wasting that much time when it's not going to be used.

[bretware]

every one says not to use Nero because there are a couple of versions that were bad. But Nero has the best people for writing burning software,because they have most of the money in the software burning market. version 5.5.9.17 works prefect, I even took a stack to best buy (on fuji +R's) and tried then in all the burners, all most all played fine, well over 90%.
The great thing about Nero is, don't put the blank DVD in the drive, hit burn, if it says no files realicated, your files were correct,burn. If nero says it realicated the files. I abort and fix things in IfoEdit, I don't trust Nero that much.
Bware

[qazpol]

I wouldn't give up too soon. Even though I use this program now it is because it can do what I can't. I just don't have the experience using all these different programs but it's something I feel I should learn. I originally got my burner to transfer home videos (VHS) to dvd. They are getting old and I want to preserve them. I have an idea of what I want, each video having a menu selection so you can click on it and play that particular video. Do I know how? no, so I use a program that does it for me. I could get better and more original results if I learn how.

I guess I am saying that even though these new programs make it effortless, they don't let you learn what is going on in the background. It is alot of work for someone to sit down and write a tutorial of sorts, I should know, I am an instructor and have to develop lesson plans all the time. There's always an audience willing to listen, you just have to find them :)

Don't give up too soon, I'm sure others would agree that we can benefit from your knowledge and experience.

[markrb]

because they have most of the money in the software burning market
Huh?
This is flawed reasoning on many fronts, but I will only name a few.

They are not the largest company making burning software.
RecordNow Max and Primo DVD are/where made by Veritas. One of the biggest software companies around in the storage world.
Even though it sucks EZ-CD Creator has a much larger following and was made by Adaptec and now by the Spinoff Roxio. Both these companies are much larger then Ahead software.

Money doesn't always translate into a better product.

Nero isn't bad, but it does have issues, especially with DVD creation. I much prefer RecordNow Max over Nero. I never got a disc made with Nero to work on all my players and with RecordNow Max I have not had a disc that wouldn't play on all my players.

Mark

[bretware]

EZ-CD Creator has a much larger following?,Not even close to ture,the only people than use this program are the one's who's drive came with it 5 years ago,they were king,now it's hard to find a drive that comes with Easy CD,Nero is the leading burning software and has been for a few years, making more money and almost cornering the market. Other companys may be big and make more money but they also have more products than Ahead. Easy Cd Creator lost a lot of it market share to Nero because it had a lot of problems copying the newer, more advanced CD's,and if you wanted to copy a playstation game forget it. People like Nero better, and that's what controls who gets the cash. Don't beleave me next time you go to your computer store look and see how many burners come with Nero. And look and see how much easy cd goes for on ebay, last time I checked none were selling, Nero was selling,but for a lot less than the retail, 75% less. But at least there is a demand for the product. And it seems to me the it's a lot easier to find a free version of Nero than Easy CD,Plus Adaptec makes there real money in other areas.
Agree to disagree
Bware

[mrdutchie]

It seems like the DVD-Video in Nero 5.5.10.0 does not work anymore
I always used it up to 5.5.9.3 I believe, since then..it's broke.
Didn't noticed until I wanted to play 1 of the 20 DVD's I burned.
Damn...:mad:

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by mrdutchie
It seems like the DVD-Video in Nero 5.5.10.0 does not work anymore


I use this version of Nero with "DVD Video" all the time. No problems. Some say Nero burned discs have problems playing on Pioneer standalones. I've not had a chance to test. Myself and everyone I know owns either Sony or Panasonic players and my discs play flawlessly on them. They also play flawlessly on my Compaq Armada laptops's DVD player and that damn thing was always picky.

[qazpol]

My pioneer plays them just fine. It even plays dvd-rw's that others wont.

[coona]

I have sony player and Nero doesn´t work for me :angry: . I tried a lot of versions and always with the same result:angry::angry: But on the other side I use ImgTools and (it uses NeroAPI... ) all of my backups work fine :) :)

[vljenewein]

I use Nero 5.5.10.0 and I've burned some pretty remarkable videos recently with it and using DVD2one softare. I use IfoEdit 95 to check the "Get VTS Sectors" and when doing other re-mux stuff it always finds and redoes some of the pointers. NOT with DVD2one. It never needs to adjust any pointers. I just use it to click on "region free" to make the resultig burn region free. And that is just a bit of icing on the cake really, and not necessary.

When I rip the movie in DVD Decrypter, I do NOT use the default setting. I chose the WINASPI32 XP version listed at the top and my rips come out great. I save the "main movie" files as Decrypter has in default in file mode PLUS I save several closely assoicated files above it, and of course, the VIDEO_TS.IFO file. I always choose that one. I save the extras in case DVD2one need something from them, and if it does then they are there. They are not that much size to begin with, and DVD2one will utilize what it needs. True, you can rip the whole movie to HD, but then you are spending a little more time in the 'rip' This is how I got 87 minutes to a movie, I choose only the main movie files. 87 minutes from loading the original DVD to removing the burned DVD5. BTW MATRIX plays just great. Tried to compare it to the original, and I can't find a difference.

In other words, If you came in while I was in the middle of Matrix and sat down to watch it, and got done and opened the tray and removed the burned copy, you would be surprised. That good.
;)

[bretware]

I think that alot of these Nero problems and really errors in the movie, here's why. After reading the posts on this site and others, I can see that people have had different levels of success, with different versions of the program. Now if these were bad versions then how are people having success? You could say that they all have different players, but I personaly can rule that out, my disks work in all most all players. So what about the format? I'm using +R's, there very friendly anyway, Maybe it a -R problem with Nero, But I can't beleave that they didn't do a few tests of the new versions, where they would have found these issues.
I know of only one bad version of Nero, Can't find it now but it was 5.5. ----9 something. But I still can't rule out that I was the problem.
Most of these burn programs are correcting files for you before they burn,If burn program A corrected files than Nero could not, it would make a person think that there was something wrong with Nero.
Get it?
Bware

[vljenewein]

Read in an artilce at http://www.cdfreaks.com/ concerning Nero. They started out and had to really struggle in the beginning when the other larger companies, like Adaptec had established a following. They were persistent, and now are one of the world leaders in Burnins software. Also, now, manufacturers are sending their prototypes to them before they hit the street so that Nero will be compatible and recognize them in the lineup. Pretty smart really.

It's odd about burning DVDs in Nero. If I choose UDF mode, things are great, and play on my set top. If I choose DVD video, and Nero creates the 2 folders "audio and video" then the resulting DVD won't play in my set top, but will play on the computer. Looked at the files and they are the same as from the UDF. So go figure? Could be that burning in DVD UDF mode sets up different set of markers for the resulting disc and is more recognized by the set top than with the DVD Video mode.

Still love the DVD2one!! Love it so much I bought the registration code.

[bretware]

are you using + or - disks? and when you burn in video mode, in the report box dose it say "files realicated " or "no fies realicated"? you can check by not inserting the blank DVD.
bware

[mrdutchie]

Tried the latest Nero, and still the same problem.
When I use Primo, Recordmax then it works just fine, and the
movie plays fine.
Basicly... Nero Sucks for DVD

[vljenewein]

I can have empathy with you in trying to get someting burned and not happening. I have a small stockpile of new coffe coasters....only they don't soak up much coffee!!

Correct me if I'm off base here guys.. but besided Nero don't you need proper ASPI layers to go hand in hand with things? I've downloade all kinds of DVD codecs and even some DIVx codecs into my computer.. and I also use Adaptec's WINASPI32 XP 4.71.1 verison ASPI layer which is self checking. Could it be that my success with Nero hinges on the right combination of ASPI content?

[bretware]

Now that I think about this, It could be a drive support issue, see if your drive is supported by nero and at what firmware version.If you already did then there may be a bug in Nero thats effecting your model drive.
It could also be a program or driver conflict, No other programs should be open when burning if your having troubles, Driver problems can happen with Nero, but all the ones I've seen cause crashing while burning.
I think something is a little off with your movie and Primo is repairing it for you, Nero just started doing the, repairing of files before burning,but there a little behind. Make sure to keep checking the VTS sectors until they come back clean, and make sure your back-up fies match originals.
good luck
bware