Anyone encode FOTR extended....could you post settings used?

[X-Nemesis]

Would like to see what you other guys have used to encode this movie. Thanks

:confused:

[manono]

Hi-

A quick search would have turned up this thread (among others):

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=38913

[X-Nemesis]

I did search and I did find and read that post...I still wanted to ask though. Ah well. I'm starting to wonder if using manual settings through avisynth is the way to go instead of letting Gordion knot do it all....

[OvERaCiD23]

I'm starting to wonder if using manual settings through avisynth is the way to go instead of letting Gordion knot do it all....

Bingo! There are much better filters out there than the ones that come with GKnot (Convolution3d, FluxSmooth, NoMoSmooth). You're going to have to filter LOTR Extended to fit it onto 2 CDs, no way around it. 1 CD is well, not really possible if you want quality. Play with filters, tweak your settings, obtain good results from compTests and go for it. Personally, I feel this movie shouldn't be backed up, as who would want to watch it without the DTS track?! :D

[N_F]

Originally posted by OvERaCiD23
Personally, I feel this movie shouldn't be backed up, as who would want to watch it without the DTS track?! :D
Anyone who lack the equipment to hear more than 2 channels I guess... ;)

[jggimi]

As I'd stated in the other thread, I managed to get the 2-disc R1 FOTR:EE backed up as a single 2.1 GB .avi file. When I eliminated 6 black frames that appeared between the two sets of .vob streams once thery were concatenated in DVD2AVI, the audio remained in sync.

Audio: abr mp3, 160Kbps

Video: 672x288, 1115Kbps

DivX settings: Bi-directional encoding, normal PE, RC Averaging period 164078 frames (1/2 total).

AviSynth filters:

Trim (to remove the 6 extra frames)
Telecide(post=false).Decimate(5)
Sharp bicubic resizing.

[DK]

why did you use sharp bicubic resizer when blurring with pe normal on the other hand?

i'd rather use lanczos + convolution

[jggimi]

1) I often use Lancsoz, and prefer it to sharp bicubic. But it it less compressible than sharp bicubic, and for this particular 3-cd encoding, I decided to trade off resolution for the less sharp resizer.

2) I have used C3D, sometimes with success. But for this content, particularly, I didn't want to reduce detail through temporal smoothing, even using a tool as flexible as Convolution3D.

3) I find PE's shifting of bits seems to produce high detail. I will admit that this was the first time I used PE in "normal" mode, when I've used it before, it was always in "light" mode. I've used it most often with content that includes water scenes, as it minimizes macroblocks that appear. It's most helpful with underwater shots, but works well with images with surface water or rain. (See any of Doom9's MPEG-4 codec shootouts for his discussion of water scenes.)

EDIT: Here's a thread I'd started on PE and water some time ago:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24351

[apjorz]

@jggimi

Hi!

Could you please explain to me how to trim those black frames? I concatenate the vobs in dvd2avi, do the project, make my settings then - I suppose - before hitting encode, I have to add the trim command into the .avs file? Should I use VirtualDub to determine which frames are the black ones? If I know the first and the last frame #, how would the line look like?

Thanks in advance!

[jggimi]

I no longer have the .avs file. But here's what I did...

I used Decomb (Telecide/Decimate) to IVTC. There were 6 frames prior to IVTC, 5 frames after. I no longer remember if I trimmed before or after the IVTC filters, take your pick. If you trim before, use frame numbers from the .d2v, if after, use frame numbers from Vdub.

This is from memory. I think I experimented with the .avs a few times to make sure I had the right number of frames to get the syntax exactly right.

As I recall (and I may be wrong)... I used:

Trim(0,last_good_frame_from_disc_1)+Trim(first_good_frame_from_disc_2,0)

[EDIT: I did not rip the last chapter of disc 1's PGC (chapter 28?) as it was part of the DVD menu, not part of the content. I did the same sort of thing (first or last chapter, can't remember) on disc 2.]

[apjorz]

Thank you for your kind answer! I'll try it.

[chsmn]

Originally posted by jggimi
As I'd stated in the other thread, I managed to get the 2-disc R1 FOTR:EE backed up as a single 2.1 GB .avi file. When I eliminated 6 black frames that appeared between the two sets of .vob streams once thery were concatenated in DVD2AVI, the audio remained in sync.

Audio: abr mp3, 160Kbps

Video: 672x288, 1115Kbps

DivX settings: Bi-directional encoding, normal PE, RC Averaging period 164078 frames (1/2 total).

AviSynth filters:

Trim (to remove the 6 extra frames)
Telecide(post=false).Decimate(5)
Sharp bicubic resizing.

I just encoded this movie today and because I did both discs at once I got the second half out of sync. What I don't understand at all though is why those 6 frames make a difference. When I encoded 1 minuet of the second disc by itself there was no problem with sync at all and the audio delay reported by dvd2avi was 0. Are they a part of the first disc or the second?
How on earth did you get a 3.5hour movie including sound into 2.1GB at such a high bitrate? Just my video turned out that big and its only 982kbs avg bitrate.(checked with GSpot 1.1)
Another thing I was wondering is why you used Decomb. Can't you just get rid of IVTC by using force film in dvd2avi? Thats what I did and I havn't noticed anything wrong with video at all.

[apjorz]

Hi!

I forgot about this thread :), but the trim settings posted by jggimi worked perfectly for me. I think the extra frames were part of disc one. Anyway, thanks jggimi! My rip looks perfect! (yeah, I know it isn't *that* hard to get it on 4 cds with AC3 sound :) (that was for fun & friends only, since I own the DVD...:)

[apjorz]

Originally posted by chsmn
I just encoded this movie today and because I did both discs at once I got the second half out of sync. What I don't understand at all though is why those 6 frames make a difference. When I encoded 1 minuet of the second disc by itself there was no problem with sync at all and the audio delay reported by dvd2avi was 0. Are they a part of the first disc or the second?

The audio track on disc 1 is not the same length as the video (I don't know if it's longer or shorter anymore), so when concatenating the two discs without trimming, you'll get out of sync. Cut those nasty frames and that'll be alright. That worked fine for me :).

[jggimi]

How on earth did you get a 3.5hour movie including sound into 2.1GB at such a high bitrate?I don't know exactly, as the encoding was done too long ago.Another thing I was wondering is why you used Decomb. Can't you just get rid of IVTC by using force film in dvd2avi? Thats what I did and I havn't noticed anything wrong with video at all.I chose it because of some frames that didn't match pulldown. It may not be noticable, if they occurred in transition frames. See Don Graft's (neuron2) comments in the latest version of www.doom9.com/ivtc-tut.htm for more info.

[chsmn]

Hmm… I loaded the last vob of disc1 and the first of disc1 into dvd2avi cut it into a small clip about 2 minuets long that spanned the 2discs than saved the project w/o force film. I loaded it into gknot and encoded it using the following avs script and putting the frame right before and right after in the trim section just like you said and still the part from the second disc was out of sync. I used ac3 audio automatically muxed with nandub and with correct delay. You said that you trimmed 6 black frames but I only seen 5 with the frame preceding and following the 5 blacks both being only half fields. Can you please tell or suggest to me what I may be doing incorrectly.

#
# PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\decomb.dll")
#
# SOURCE
mpeg2source("G:\FELLOWSHIP_EXT_D2\1 - 2\1 - 2.d2v")
#
# TRIM
Trim(0,413)+Trim(419,0)
#
# IVTC
Telecide(post=false).Decimate(5)
#
# CROPPING
crop(2,59,716,359)
#
# RESIZING
Lanczosresize(640,272,0,0.75)

Also, in avi I previously encoded of the entire movie(one with bad sync) with ac3 added seems a little jerky compared to the avi w/o sound. I muxed with AVI-MUX b/c I heard it was more reliable than nandub and I used interleave setting of 64kb and preload of 64ms, could this perhaps be a bad setting?

btw, that IVTC article was great, thanks.

[apjorz]

I don't know about the rest, but if the video is jerky with AC3 but fine without it, that could also be because of the hacked intervideo codec also found on doom9... Maybe you should try this (http://ac3filter.sourceforge.net). If you are already using it, I have no idea. :)

[chsmn]

I tried again but cut out 6 frames intead of 5 but still no go. Should I trim after or before Telecide and is it a good idea to get frame numbers through virtualdub?

[jggimi]

To the best of my recollection, I trimmed after Decomb (Telecide/Decimate) and I got the frame numbers from Vdub. ;)

[chsmn]

I muxed with mp3 instead of ac3 and it appears insync or at least way more than it was. Maybe it's just a weird glitch with where it got cut. I'm wondering if it would be a good feature for dvd2avi to insert silence into the extracted ac3 stream where there is no sound so you wouldn't need trimming. Anyways, thanks for all your help, hopefully when doing the whole movie I will not get problems as long as I trim those 5 frames.

[dTb]

Just in case anyone is interested I used jiggimi's advice to encode the Pal extended edition (region 4, Aus). In this version there were 25 black frames all up (ie. exactly 1 second of video) and when these were trimmed the sync was perfect all the way through (well as far as I can tell). I ended up going for 3 cds with the ac3 5.1 soundtrack because I wanted the best quality possible.
A tip for this movie(most people probably figure this out themselves), theres 25 odd minutes of credits naming every person from the fan club, I don't know about you but I trimmed this out quick smart.

[SiXXGuNNZ]

I know this is a bit old, but wanted to post my script, it worked 100%

ABR mp3 117 kbps full stereo

main movie(810 kbps)

SetWorkingDir("C:\Program Files\Gordian Knot\")
LoadPlugin("mpeg2dec3.dll")
LoadPlugin("decomb.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\Download\The.Fellowship.Of.The.Ring.SE.DVDRip-DivX5\TFOTR.d2v")
Trim(0,189899)+Trim(189907,360649)
Telecide(post=false).Decimate(5)
crop(0,64,718,348)
BilinearResize(640,256)

movie credits(q25)

SetWorkingDir("C:\Program Files\Gordian Knot\")
LoadPlugin("mpeg2dec3.dll")
LoadPlugin("decomb.dll")
mpeg2source("D:\Download\The.Fellowship.Of.The.Ring.SE.DVDRip-DivX5\TFOTR.d2v")
trim(360650,0)
Telecide(post=false).Decimate(5)
crop(0,64,718,348)
BilinearResize(640,256)

[chsmn]

Havn't checked this forum for a while...

so I assume you made a 2x 700MB cd ripp then.
which version of gknot and avisynth did you use and what was it muxed with?

I'm probably the last person on the forum who still hasn't encoded this movie yet.

[SiXXGuNNZ]

Originally posted by chsmn
Havn't checked this forum for a while...

so I assume you made a 2x 700MB cd ripp then.
which version of gknot and avisynth did you use and what was it muxed with?

I'm probably the last person on the forum who still hasn't encoded this movie yet.

I used gknot 0.28 not sure which one(alpha, beta, final) and avisynth 2.5x(also not sure if it was the newest at the time I did the encode)

yes, 2cd rip @ 700MB each

muxed in vdubmod