New IFOUpdate Version

[SeYtoN]

jdobbs

Yes, you would create a chapter file for each VOBID based on the CELLS. So if there were 8 vobids then you would have 8 chapter lists for every cell timecode in that vobid, each with their timecode starting from 0 for both CCE and Scenarist. That way we can just import the cell timecodes into CCE and Scenarist without making any calculations. Basically, the same as creating a cell list per PGC, instead its per VOBID.

To add chapters in scenarist you just export the file to a script and then use scenchap. This is documented in the guides on doom9.

Thanks for your help.

[jdobbs]

SeYtoN,

That should be easy to do, I'll have it implemented and uploaded tonight. It'll be another checkbox in the chapter printing dialog.

jdobbs

[fourtyfour]

servus...

Just my 2 cents.

Could you make the window of ifoupdate resizable?

If I can stretch the window. I could read all without scrolling up/down.

BTW: Great work an great support.

[SeYtoN]

jdobbs,

I was wondering if this would be a problem if you authored using adjusted cell mode for an infinfilm dvd or something complex like the matrix:

During playback from the original dvd, an infinifilm sub pops up and you click a button to jump to another cell in a vts. Then when that finishes it will go back to the start of the cell where it jumped from. With the authored vts, when it tries to return to the cell after playing the infinifilm extra, will it come to the right cell because the PGC info would now be different? And would it jump to the correct cell in another vts too?

Once i get time i will test this out to see if it will work. I just wanted to see what you think about this.

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

@SeYtoN

I won't be able to finish the VOB update tonight. I'm a little trouble determining how I make sure the VOBIDs that are interleaved are reassembled properly. If you reauthor without interleaving, you will get the problem of having continuous video that is not adjacent on the disc. If you use interleaving, I'd have to make the assumption that it has been interleaved exactly as the original -- or it wouldn't know which new cell matches which old cell...

[caprioles9000]

w000ttt jdobs....man this new feature sounds great ....wicked .......i do have one little question...now am i correct in saying ..if i understood this whole thread and the new feature correctly.....this feature of yours would also work on the following:

Minority Report Pal R2 is setup weirdly. The first vob contains the middle of the movie at the start and then six minutes into it the film starts? Therefore Mutli -PGC Maestro way doesnt work! As it is all out of order? They've just put a bogus vob-id 1 at the beginning that isn't referenced by the movie. So now if we use your new feature ...this would mean i'd just have to use dvd2avi to get a d2v file just like we do in the normal multi-pgc maestro method ..and then use your feature to get the chapters ..and author them in the end!!! Is my assumption correct that your new feature would resolve that bogus vob-id ...!!

Greetings
Caprioles9000

[Zeul]

just used for the first time. fantastic. have just done a 5PGC VTS (extended scenes extra) and it played perfectly. Only one problem after encoding the audio is slightly out of synch by the same amount for each PGC. tried again but viewed before creating the VTS in scenarist(tried with maestro aswell) and the synch is always out by 0.5s. The video and audio lenghts are showing as being different by this amount, yet there is no audio delay in the original. encoded with CCE as per the guide on the very first post, without any hiccups. Do you think this is a problem with DVD2AVI or wrong settings with CCE?

[Zeul]

as a footnote to the above this was a PAL movie

[Zeul]

just have one other question. If I strip more than one angle out with ifoedit and keep more than one with the adjusted cells with angle box checked still work correctly?

[influenza]

I always use scenarist to do multiple pgc titles but want to give this method a try.

I run into a problem right away (ofcourse). I have a 7 pgcs extra file (i am sam r2). The saved maestro chapters file contains of al lot of chapters, but most of the chapters are out of range (the chapter point is after the length of the clip). The clip is 45 minutes or so and some chapters say 1:00:05 etc. They don't get imported ofcourse.

[Zeul]

jdobbs

have a query for you. I have been backing up MIB (R2) which is full of multi PGC and angles. Up until now it has always involved the laborious approach of encoding each PGC and building in scenarist, so I thought I'd give your new method a go. Now i have re-encoded the video in a variety of different ways, rebuilt in various authoring packages and always have the same result. ifoupdate works perfecty, the disc plays as it should but the audio progressively goes out of synch. The audio length is shorter than the video stream. As a test i split the VTS in vobedit into each seperate m2v and ac3 file. loaded up all m2v in dvd2avi and encoded as one stream and then carried on as normal. I used a full ac3 stream, and i tried using the 3 seperate audio streams joined together (in maestro-create synch audio). When previewing the full stream is always out of synch, but the joined stream is accurate. Is this something to do with the break in video stream (pgc1 to pgc2), yet the audio stream continues, hence the lag? Is this just MIB disc or am i at fault. I am sure i am using your proggy correctly because re-authoring always works, but i can't get the audio to synch without demuxing the vob.
if this is the way its going to be it is still a damn sight quicker than normal, so congrats for that.

[Jafco]

jdobbs,

Just wanted to say thanks... IFOUpdate has been quite useful up to now, and now I can't wait to try to do some of the multi-pgc (10+ pgc's) titles that I've been holding off on. For example, I have one with something like 83 pgcs in one VTS. (Xfiles bonus disc, 83 individual 10 and 20 second television commercials -- lame, I know).

Thanks for the awesome work.

[jdobbs]

@adamandhelen

There are a few reasons for the audio problems. Most notable is still shots with sound, video with no sound, etc that are a part of the PGC. In NTSC, you will often find a single PGC that has some sections that are from original 29.97 sources, and others the are from 23.976 with RFF. DVD2AVI only lets you choose one or the other. I'm exploring a method with Eyes'Only (using VOBIDs) that should fix that.

[whaqatac]

@ Influenza

'I am Sam' region 2 works perfectly with the IFOUpdate method.

When you use IFOUpdate to write your chapters at the beginning make sure you are using the 'adjusted' mode.

Do the DVD2AVI, Avisynth, etc as normal, add the chapters from the *.chp list into Maestro and it will enter 8 chapters. Do not create any playlists just save and compile.

When you re-adjust it with IFOUpdate it will rewrite all 7 pgc's as they are in the film.

You can then enter the 'all access pass' section and view the whole documentry or just the small segments as with your original.

Hope this helps.

[jdobbs]

All,

And once again, attached is a new version of IFOUpdate (v0.63).

Per request from fourtyfour:

The main program window has been made sizeable so you can stretch it and more easily read the text.

Per request from SeYtoN and Eyes'Only:

Implemented "Chapters for VOB Authoring" checkbox in the "Save Chapter Files" dialog. Please note that this output will examine your choice of the "Ignore Angles" option. In the event you've decided to ignore angles, the VOBID Chapter files will not be created for them. That way you can see which VOBIDs contained the angles (other than the first of course). Make sure that if using this method, you also use the "Ignore Angles" when reassembling your newly authored file. That way the additional "Angles" sectors will be repointed and play will be identical no matter which angle is selected (during playback).

Be careful in trying to recreate angled movies without "Ignore Angles" enabled. In order to do that you MUST reauthor them exactly as the original (angled) or they may not play back correctly (the cells need to be interleaved).

jdobbs

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ATTACHMENT DELETED - FOLLOW THE THREAD AND GET THE UPDATED VERSION 0.65

[Zeul]

jdobbs

if dvd2avi does not support this feature, how would you determine before hand whether your particular multiPGC is suitable for ifoupdate, or otherwise how would you import the vob straight into cce. Is there a new virtual dub that has this feature and frameserve the vob to cce?

[jdobbs]

To determine it, you can run DVD2AVI against your VOBs and see if it changes from FILM to NTSC between PGCs. The stills are usually easy to notice, as they have a really short cell length (12 frames or so).

All would be suitable for IFOUpdate. But you'd have to make a decision as to the steps you'd take beforehand. As an example, I have a DVD that has a couple of "no audio" PGCs in it. So keeping the audio in check is near impossible. I am working on a way that IFOUpdate can modify the AC3 file and put in blank periods where appropriate -- but that may be a while.

I can, though, use VSTRIP and output the original VTS to several VOB files based upon the VOBID. I could then (using DVD2AVI and CCE) reencode the VOBs. All I'd have to do then, is reauthor and update with IFOUpdate.

BTW -- I tried demuxing the VOBs with Derrow's VOBEDIT, but it seems to break them apart by CELLID no matter whether I select the CELL or VOB checkbox. Too bad, it works pretty fast.

[Zeul]

jdobbs

i am using a pal movie so there won't be any film or ntsc.

[Eyes`Only]

If you have your DVD in .iso, you can mount it and demux it by vobid using my program. I'll work on adding VobID demux to the capabilities of it soon.

[Ak47]

JDobbs....

Firstly many thanks for the ongoing development work on IFOUpdate...

I have a request, if it's not too presumptious...

can you please, please, add an "IFOEdit Collated CellTimes" output to IFOUpdate.

At the moment i'm editing ADJUSTED-CCE.TXT to create this, which then allows use of multiplex in IFOEdit to rejoin m2v/ac3/subs/chaps.. NO AUTHORING required... i've posted an example of 16 PGC title i had NP updating /reintegrating with v0.62

ADJUSTED-CCE.TXT

chapter=0:
chapter=38970:
chapter=44260:
chapter=49045:
chapter=52575:
chapter=56075:
chapter=59920:
chapter=65482:
chapter=72268:
chapter=78168:
chapter=81650:
chapter=89367:
chapter=92495:
chapter=94915:
chapter=100047:
chapter=101680:
chapter=103013:

Edited to create CellTimes.txt below

38970
44260
49045
52575
56075
59920
65482
72268
78168
81650
89367
92495
94915
100047
101680
103008

If you can make IFOUpdate do this automatically.. would really be helpful...

[Jafco]

jdobbs,

Thanks for the new feature; as expected, it worked just fine as long as every cell had audio. However, I mentioned the 86-or so PGC title set that I'm backing up (VTS6, R1, XFiles, S2, Disc 7). Three or four of the VOB ID's (as reported by vobrator) don't have audio. They're really short (5 packet) VOBID's without any audio, but since they're in the middle, I'm worried that they may throw off synch for everything that is afterward on the timeline. (I'll report after it either does or does not synch up).

**** Edit: Amazingly, they synched up!! Can you imagine how much work this saved me? Thanks, jdobbs!! ****

Of course, since they're just those stupid little 5 packet tiny placeholder VOB-ID's, it may synch up fine.

(I know you recommended the doitfast4u method when audio is missing, but with 86 pgc's, even doitfast4u isn't really practicable (although I suppose it could be done).)


Btw, the ultimate fix for the "no-audio pgc's" isn't really going to lie with you, I think -- it seems that the audio file creation would need to be done differently by dvd2avi (put in silence for the VOBID's with missing audio perhaps).

Thanks again for your work.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

This IfoUpdate is getting better every time :)
Please add the option to save after resizing the main program windows

Thank you and keep up the good working

[caprioles9000]

w000ttt jdobbs....man this new feature sounds great ....wicked .......i do have one little question...now am i correct in saying ..if i understood this whole thread and the new feature correctly.....this feature of yours would also work on the following:

Minority Report Pal R2 is setup weirdly. The first vob contains the middle of the movie at the start and then six minutes into it the film starts? Therefore Mutli -PGC Maestro way doesnt work! As it is all out of order? They've just put a bogus vob-id 1 at the beginning that isn't referenced by the movie. So now if we use your new feature ...this would mean i'd just have to use dvd2avi to get a d2v file just like we do in the normal multi-pgc maestro method ..and then use your feature to get the chapters ..and author them in the end!!! Is my assumption correct that your new feature would resolve that bogus vob-id ...!!

Greetings
Caprioles9000

[jdobbs]

@FilipeAmadeuO

I assume you want me to save the size and position of the main screen when it is changed? That should be easy enough.

@caprioles9000

It should work. Take a look at the graphic representation of the IFO/VOB files and see if the VOB at the beginning of the stream is referenced. The graphic is built from the IFO, so if there is a reference it should show. It's hard to imagine finding authoring software that compiles a VOBID into the stream with no references in the IFO.

[influenza]

I tried this method with different results.

I did the extras of I am sam (documentary) as suggested by someone (thanks) and that work flawlessly. Then I tried on other one (I think some extras on the star wars epidode ii disc). The problem is that there are 55 chapter points (there are 55 pgcs with one chapter point per pgc), with are all in the adjusted cell.chp file.

Importing the chapters in maestro gives a problem (only 14 chapter points are imported). What can be the cause of this? I gues I have to enter all the other chapter point manually?

[jdobbs]

Did you use the CCE chapter points when you encoded? Sometimes when the GOP doesn't fall in the right place Maestro won't import because it would be impossible to put the chapters at a correct point without overlaying one another. Also, make sure you are using the latest version -- there was a chapter bug in an earlier one. Also, look at the times in the .CHP file and make sure they don't have times that are past the end of the video's length.

There are a lot of possibilities for this to happen. Make sure you choose a consistent setting for mode and options and keep them through the entire backup process...

[influenza]

I used the chapter point provided in the celltimes file. The chpater points are within the length of the video,;. What causes the problem I think is that a lot of the chpater times are really close to another (only one or two seconds off or so).

[jdobbs]

Is it NTSC? Also, is the original a mixture of FILM and NTSC?

Please post (in a zip) the contents of the chapter files and the CCE files.

[influenza]

It's Pal. The files are attached. Thanks for the effort

[jdobbs]

I got the file. But I didn't validate for posting. Since we've mentioned the name, and it is in the title, someone might (really stretching it) consider the posting a copyright infringement. Forgive me for being paranoid...

[influenza]

I don't understand? Did or didn't you get it?

[jdobbs]

I got it. Here's the problem: According to your .ECL file there are only 16352 frames in the video -- but there are 70+ chapter points that have frame points beyond that number... There are 14 points under it...

Are you sure you're not using version .60? This is way out of kilter...

[influenza]

I'm using ifoupdate 0.62 and cce 2.50

[jdobbs]

@Influenza,

Check you PM..

[influenza]

here it is

[jdobbs]

@influenza

It looks like the last 70+ chapter points in this IFO are all stills. They are all 12 frames long. Not sure what to tell you as to how to get around that -- but I can say that reencoding this IFO/VOB isn't going to make it any smaller.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

@jdobbs
I assume you want me to save the size and position of the main screen when it is changed? That should be easy enough.


Yes !! Please change it in the next version

[influenza]

I was just fooling around trying to get your method to work. Reencoding something big would take so long that;'s why. I just tries the main movie (of sswII) and have the same problems. This is somewhat more complex (has two angles)

[VEXED]

This question is in referance to jdobbs process at the head of this post. I was wondering when doing this process do i have to lock the dts in maestro for the mv2 to incorporate correctly due to the fact that the menu has a option to enable the dts stream. This maybe a stupid question but i'm new to this process. If i do, however, how do i go about locking it to coeinside with the original menu?

[N3m1515]

@JDobbs. :) Hats off to you on your work.

Excuse my lack of knowledge on this subject, just fell blindly into this DVDR business. :D I am looking for a way to make a multi pgc movie into 1 pgc as I try to get movie and menu from original DVD, extas not wanted. I strip or reencode, compile then place into original, ifoupdate and burn.

I read the methods to cope with multi pgc films but they soo much work esp when I not bothered about extras.

Is it possible in some way to compile new vobs and use your prog to update the original ifo with the new chapters etc and it keep the same structure, hopefully then Ifoupdate could remove/edit references to the other pgcs? Or is it possible using one of the Modes in Ifoupdate to 'fool' the dvd player into thinking(?) the other pgcs are present, as long as I don't try to play them.

Hope this not a stupid question or totally out there, it makes sense to me anyway.:p

Thanks you.:cool:

[Eyes`Only]

You are correct in your actions, JDobbs. Either the name needs to be edited out of the post, or the .ifos cannot be attached. Someone (namely production companies) could see it as a copyright violation, and that's the last thing we want to happen.

Influenza: in the future, assume that we do not need to know the title of the movie in order to diagnose things, please. Because, really, we don't. Whenever ppl email me about DoItfast4U and have a question about an .ifo, I ask for the .ifo but never once ask for the title. It's really not important to us to know that, and almost better if we don't! :D

[drmih]

I've tried a few examples over the weekend and to avoid any sync errors I have stripped out the vob-id which is the annoying little 0.1 sec first with ifoedit. Of the titles I have tried all seem to function fine without these vobs, so I'm hoping that this holds generally. The only difficulty I have found (and it's only minor) is when the subsequent pgcs after the main film use different audio tracks, when using dvd2avi you get say 0x80 at 100 mins and then 0x83 at 20 mins, with the video component 120 mins. Therefore when you use Maestro you have to physically drag the secondary audio track to the correct position in the timeline. However, if you zoom right in and use the chapter break that was created as a guide it syncs fine. I know there is nothing the ifoupdate can do about this but this information may be of use to anybody who is a bit puzzled.

ps Another error you may find
I was a bit of a knob-head when first using this method as I forgot that the secondary hard disk I was using was still fat32. Using the normal method of ripping and re-encoding I never touched the 4 gb limit as everything is in bits. However, using the ifoupdate method the m2v compononet created by CCE for a title with everything in vts_01 exceeded the limit - or rather CCE gave an error about writing to the disk and disk space free. Therefore for anybody else who doesn't have their brain in gear, if CCE gives a disk space error for what seems like no good reason check that it's not a fat32 error.

[mikeathome]

@Jdobbs:
Thanks for this great update. I really like the Chapter export for VobID authoring. That's what I was looking for since ages ! It gives you the cell/scene chapter points (per VobID/track) for e.g. Scenarist project rebuild w/o any manual re-calculation. Great for titles like Matrix, where the Adjusted Method won't work ;-). Why, well, you would need to create 136 chapters in a title, where the maximum allowed is 99.

I am waiting for Matrix II, we'll discuss this further. Same as I am currently discussing with NIC about the DVD2AVI/MPEGDecoder wrong frame count issue ...

mike

P.S.
WOuld you do me a favor ? Would it be possible to have a CLI version with the following functionality:


IfoUdateCLI input.ifo [options(parameter)]

Options:
-e #export Chapterlist (see parameter)
-c #chapterfilename exportfolder
-o #Original IFO
-n #newly authored Ifo
-b #backup Ifo
-m #mode

Parameter for -e switch:
V #VobID Authoring
A #adjusted
M #MultiPGC
...

Example:
IfoUpdateCLI H:\MATRIX\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_0.IFO -eV -cD:\DVD\Matrix

=> Export Chapterlist for VobID Authoring from H:\... into folder D:\DVD\Matrix


Would be great.

[influenza]

@Eyes`Only

I'll think better next time (just took the suggested name of winrar). No more titles in my posts.

[jdobbs]

@mikeathome

I'll see what I can do for CLI interface. How about it still runs as a window (minimized maybe?) but automatically executes and exits?

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@mikeathome

I'll see what I can do for CLI interface. How about it still runs as a window (minimized maybe?) but automatically executes and exits?

Hi,

everything which enables to automate jobs is highly appreciated. CLI, minimized Window, I would like to execute it from a batch if possible. I could experiment with key-stroke-automate-programs but I don't really like, hmm how to express in english in german we say 'frickeln' ;-)

Thx. for your support !!!

mike

[stationx]

Just tried this method for the first time on some extra’s and it worked like a charm. Just one question, at the author stage I dropped some of the audio and subtitles leaving English audio and subs. Is Ifoupdate in “Adjusted Cell” mode ok with this? The finished result works fine suggesting that it is. I just wanted confirmation that I’m ok to do this in the future and my working DVD extra’s weren’t just a one off.

Thanks
Stationx

[caprioles9000]

Hmm just to get things straight a question for everyone!!!!! ...so when should i really be using this method.....only on extras with too many pgcs to make playlists for ..or also the main movie who has too many pgcs.....i guess if you have 5 pgcs or something ..its not necessary to use this method.....am i correct.....so when would it be smart to use this method then????????

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by caprioles9000
Hmm just to get things straight a question for everyone!!!!! ...so when should i really be using this method.....only on extras with too many pgcs to make playlists for ..or also the main movie who has too many pgcs.....i guess if you have 5 pgcs or something ..its not necessary to use this method.....am i correct.....so when would it be smart to use this method then????????

Hi,

if you get more than 99 chapters then you CAN'T use it. Maximum is 99 by DVDSpec. That's why you can't use it e.g. for Matrix (136 chapters in adjusted mode).

mike

[caprioles9000]

@ mikeathome....

So you are basically saying that if i get DVD's with many PGC's then i should use this method ..but to use this method for a DVD with just a couple of pgcs then its just not necessary!!! I am just looking for the difference between de normal multi-pgc method ..and the new adjusted method!!!