Ntsc dvds in europe ?

[rui.m.godinho]

If I use a DVD region 1 (ntsc, I think), will this movie show correctly in any TV in Europe ? Being the system PAL ?
Or do I have to change the frame to PAL ?

asking this because I order (for experiences) a DVD Region 1

[mike4692]

the dvd will play but its your tv that will correct the 29 fps to the 25fps only if its a relativly new tv , if not it will play in black and white and have a big squiggly line through the picture :)

[propman]

Hi,

normaly it's so,
the RC2 Players can play pal & ntsc, the TV only pal.

in the setup from the DVD-Player, you can config the output of pal and ntsc, then you have configure the ntsc-output in convert to pal, and the player make a pal output, and then no prob :-)

propman

[Artur]

Hi,
as said before " only if its a relativly new tv ".

[rui.m.godinho]

So for older TV or TV that doesn't show well NTSC DVDs the best way is to encode and change the FPS, isn't ?
I haven't any problem about encoding PAL DVDs, multi pgcs, or with angles or other seamless DVD and always used CCE method with help of Doom9 guides. But I never encoded a NTSC DVD.
I order a NTSC(most certainly) Region 1 DVD (Insomnia). Tell me if I can this method to encode and at the same time change the FPS, from 23,976 or 29,97 to 25 fps:

1st - Use DVD2AVI to create *.d2v file project (following doom9 guide about which kind of setting to use in DVD2AVI, according on what the "preview" showed me (if it is NTSC 23,976 or 29,97, you know all that things that we have to check before)

2nd - Create a *.avs script to use in CCE. And now come the hard work, because I don't very well what to use in the script, to get a 25 fps *.m2v. I still haven't got the DVD (probably tomorrow or the day after) but I'm the kind the guy who likes to know what to do after having something and not wait until the next morning to receive an answer. So my I think to change the NTSC *.d2v project I will need to add this to my script (ex: movie.avs):

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\...\*.d2v")
BilinearResize(720,576)
AssumeFPS(25)
ResampleAudio(44100)

I don't know if I have to use, in line 3, Bicubic or Bilinear. And also don't know if I have to use, in line 4, Change or Convert.

I made some experiences on converting PAL to NTSC using the following script (ex: movie.avs):

LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\GordianKnot\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\...\1.d2v")
BilinearResize(720,480)
AssumeFPS(23.976)
ResampleAudio(44100)

Add it to CCE 2.50 and followed doom9 "Getting the best out of CCE". At the end I used:

pulldown.exe movie.m2v final.m2v

and got a 29,970 fps in final.m2v so that scnearist could accept it. Add the audio and the subs (some work to do on the last). The final work was a well synchronized movie.

So my doubt is, what changes do I have to make, to make the inverse process (NTSC to PAL). Of course, if all I wrote is not a big nonsense and a bad process.

[auenf]

in the states (NTSC land), almost all the tvs (new or old) will only support NTSC.

in europe (PAL land), basically all of the tvs sold in the last 5-10 years should support PAL and NTSC playback.

Enf...

[rui.m.godinho]

So auenf, you're telling me that I should avoid the conversion ?
Use to lend some movies to friends of me. Are u sure that there won't be guys showing up telling mine that in their TV, the movies is playing back/white or that the image is encryped and so on ?
Tell me about your experience.

[Artur]

In some of them the movies will play in Black and White.

[auenf]

Originally posted by Artur
In some of them the movies will play in Black and White.

thats what turns out when you play the wrong standard on the tv ;)

Enf...

[oddyseus]

I want to add something crucial I believe. If u decide to change the fps,u must definetely change the size also to 720x576, otherwise no authoring program would accept the video. There is a nice thread about pal/ntsc conversion by easy2bcheesy. Study if u decide to convert the stream.

[auenf]

Originally posted by oddyseus
I want to add something crucial I believe. If u decide to change the fps,u must definetely change the size also to 720x576, otherwise no authoring program would accept the video. There is a nice thread about pal/ntsc conversion by easy2bcheesy. Study if u decide to convert the stream.

which is why i said wrong standard not wrong framerate ;)

Enf...

[gulikoza]

I believe that most (even older!) European TVs have no problem playing 60hz content, so there's no need to change fps. The problem however is that the color is played on a different frequency than PAL (you get b&w picture). Some DVD player have an option to correct this frequency, so that the TV will show color (this is sometimes refered to as PAL/60 standard). I would never convert, since you loose quite a lot of quality (rezising + field blending, problems with sound sync...), but then again, my TV player NTSC format without problem :D

[Chibi Jasmin]

Originally posted by gulikoza
I believe that most (even older!) European TVs have no problem playing 60hz content, so there's no need to change fps. The problem however is that the color is played on a different frequency than PAL (you get b&w picture). Some DVD player have an option to correct this frequency, so that the TV will show color (this is sometimes refered to as PAL/60 standard). I would never convert, since you loose quite a lot of quality (rezising + field blending, problems with sound sync...), but then again, my TV player NTSC format without problem :D

On my PAL TV I found that I can get colored NTSC, when feeding its RGB input with an NTSC signal!