Help on ScenCap & Scenarist - scenes

[mikeathome]

Hi,

help request. I am currently trying to completely rebuild Matrix R2 (PAL). And I stuck with the VobID + Cell recreation. I did not find a fast and reliable way to rebuild this yet. I got an idea howto rebuild the cells (scenes) in the individual VobIDs (tracks) in Scenarist but I am having some trouble...

1'st I found a 'bug' in ScenCap ver. 1.27, sorry I know this is a bad start, but that's what it is ... pls see the log and ignore the blue and green block for a moment, pls. see the red line:
PGC 1, 38 Chapters, 116 Cells, Playtime 02:10:46;10/25
Cell 1 (2/1) Chap 1, Type 2, Angle 0, Start 00:00:00;00/25
Cell 2 (2/2) Chap 0, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 00:00:29;19/25
...
PGC 9, 1 Chapters, 1 Cells, Playtime 00:01:07;17/25
Cell 1 (14/3) Chap 1, Type 2, Angle 0, Start 00:00:00;00/25

PGC 10, 1 Chapters, 1 Cells, Playtime 00:00:58;05/25
Cell 1 (23/1) Chap 1, Type 2, Angle 0, Start 00:00:00;00/25
...
PGC 14, 38 Chapters, 116 Cells, Playtime 02:10:46;10/25
Cell 1 (2/1) Chap 1, Type 2, Angle 0, Start 00:00:00;00/25
Cell 2 (2/2) Chap 0, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 00:00:29;19/25
...
Cell 67 (21/2) Chap 0, Type 12, Angle 0, Start 01:20:36;02/25
Cell 68 (23/1) Chap 0, Type 10, Angle 0, Start 01:20:38;12/25
Cell 69 (23/2) Chap 25, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:21:36;17/25
Cell 70 (23/3) Chap 0, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:22:18;18/25
Cell 71 (23/4) Chap 0, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:22:41;20/25
Cell 72 (23/5) Chap 0, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:22:46;11/25
Cell 73 (23/6) Chap 0, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:23:33;22/25
Cell 74 (23/7) Chap 26, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:26:04;22/25
Cell 75 (23/8) Chap 27, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:27:43;05/25
Cell 76 (23/9) Chap 0, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:28:41;10/25
Cell 77 (23/10) Chap 0, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:29:41;21/25
Cell 78 (23/11) Chap 28, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:33:26;06/25
Cell 79 (23/12) Chap 29, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:36:56;22/25
Cell 80 (24/1) Chap 0, Type 10, Angle 0, Start 01:37:16;02/25
...
Cell 99 (35/2) Chap 33, Type 8, Angle 0, Start 01:48:19;11/25
Cell 100 (36/1) Chap 0, Type 10, Angle 0, Start 01:50:07;11/25
Cell 101 (37/1) Chap 0, Type 14, Angle 0, Start 0

A kind of overflow, although the titleset 2 (VTS_02) has 18 PGCs (titles) ScenCap Ver. 1.27 stops in the middle of PGC 14. W/o having that solved I can stop with my tests.

2'nd this is just a dumb question of a Scenarist nb. Pls. look at PGC 9 the green block. Do I understand that right, it is made from VobID (track) 14 CellID (scene) 3 only ??? Is this possible ??? Normally I drop a track onto a title and get the PGC, what do I drop here ? Scene 3 only ???

OK, what is my goal. Well, look a the output ScenCap produces when droping an IFO. If you separate the Cells of a VOBID in sequence and deduct the predecessor's timecode (assuming VOBID/CELL 1 starts at 00:00:00;00/fps) you get very easily the individual cell timecode within the VOBID (you know that silly issue, where you have to manual calculate with ChapterXtractor the cell-timecode when rebuilding a VOBID (track) in Scenarist).

Example:
see the blue block above:
Cell 68, VobID 23 CellID 1 will start at 00:00:00;00/fps in the scenarist track, so deduct 01:20:38;12/25 from all cells in VobID 23 and you get the individual cell times.

(23/1) Start 00:00:00;00/25
(23/2) Start 00:00:58;05/25
(23/3) Start 00:01:40;06/25
(23/4) Start 00:02:03;08/25
(23/5) Start 00:02:08;01/25
(23/6) Start 00:02:55;10/25
(23/7) Start 00:05:15;10/25
(23/8) Start 00:07:05;17/25
(23/9) Start 00:08:02;10/25
(23/10) Start 00:09:03;09/25
(23/11) Start 00:12:47;06/25
(23/12) Start 00:16:18;10/25

Note: maybe something wrong, just the principle, I did a rough calc by hand will do with X-Cel exactly ;-).

If you find a 23/x further down the road you would need to add. I'll programm something in X-Cel the next days (as soon as the ScenCap bug is solved). Btw. what is meant by the 'type' ?

You do this for every VobID and you're ready, much easier than ChapterXtractor. Any thoughts...

best regards, mike

[fourtyfour]

servus...

Hy mike.

When did you start do work with Scenarist?:D

You want to make an excel sheet for changing the timecode of each vobID?
Where do you get the exact timecode? from the .avs files?


(23/1) Start 00:00:00;00/25

Does this work?

I have an error popup when I want to create a new script.
If I use 00:00:00;00 only, it works fine.

I think I should reencode this movie how to know, what you are talking about. ;)

[mikeathome]

Hi,

pls. see my answers below.

Originally posted by fourtyfour
servus...

Hy mike.
When did you start do work with Scenarist?:D
You want to make an excel sheet for changing the timecode of each vobID? Where do you get the exact timecode? from the .avs files?

Yesterday ;-)
Where I get the timecodes from, ok, is described the post above. Translation follows:
OK, was will ich erreichen. Schaut euch mal die Ausgabe oben näher an die ScenCap erzeugt wenn man ein IFO lädt. Sortiert man die Zellen einer VobID in die richtige Reihenfolge kann man relativ einfach die individuellen Zell-Startpunkte errechnen. Man geht davon aus, dass Zelle 1 einer VobID immer bei 00:00:00;00/fps startet (das ist zwangsläufig so). Subtrahiert man deren Timeoffset von den darauffolgenden Zell-Startzeiten erhält man die Startzeiten der Zellen innerhalb einer VobID. Das kann man am besten überprüfen, wenn man das mal für VobIDs nachvollzieht, deren Zellen in mehreren Titeln (PGCs) benutzt werden, die absoluten errechneten Zell-Startzeiten innerhalb einer VobID werden immer gleich sein ! Damit erspart man sich das umständliche rechnen mit dem ChapterXtractor (man kann das alles dann auch noch mit einem X-Cel Sheet (o.ä.) automatisieren. Zellen einer VobID die an anderer Stelle in einer anderen PGC verwendet werden muss man dann noch ausrechnen indem man die Länge des Vorgängers zu dessen Startpunkt addiert, dann hat den Startpunkt der 'Einzel'Zelle auch noch. Auch das kann man automatisieren.

Beispiel:
oben im blauen Block:
Cell 68, VobID 23 CellID 1 started 00:00:00;00/fps im scenarist track, also muss man 01:20:38;12/25 von allen nachfolgenden Zell-Startzeiten abziehen um deren absoluten Startpunkt innerhalb der VobID zu erhalten, comprendre ?
Btw. es geht mir nicht darum ein Scenarist Script zu erstellen, ich will eine Chapter/Scene Liste pro VobID. Das Script ist sekundär. Ich will nämlich auch alle drei Titelsets in einem Rutsch machen, da komm' ich mit einem Script sowieso nicht weiter. Kann man kein Chapterscript erzeugen ?

Btw. I am not primarly interested in creating a script to automate cell/scene generation I am interested to get a semi-automatic way to calculate scene/cell timecodes absolutely within a VobID/track.
Any experts out there to answer my questions ??? Gimme a ping pls...

mike

P.S. I did translate everything german <-> english.
And last but not least, the .d2f import function is somewhat broken in ScenCap Ver. 1.27 I always get an Error: Invalid D2F File whatever I try importing a D2F generated from a PAL VOB. I tried several different, even complete Titleset VOBs, no way...

[fourtyfour]

servus...

Back again.

Thanks for german translation.

Just DIF4U Matrix (PAL R2)

I have imported all .m2v of PGC 1 for testing in scenarist.

Now I´ve droped the .scp in scenchap and droped the .ifo, too.

Well, there are no errors in the ifo.

PGC 9 is complete.


PGC 9, 2 Chapters, 2 Cells, Playtime 00:01:10;02/25
Cell 1 (12/2) Chap 1, Type 6, Angle 0, Start 00:00:00;00/25
Cell 2 (14/3) Chap 2, Type 2, Angle 0, Start 00:00:02;10/25

PGC 1 Cell 101:

Cell 100 (36/1) Chap 0, Type 10, Angle 0, Start 01:50:07;11/25
Cell 101 (37/1) Chap 0, Type 14, Angle 0, Start 01:50:10;01/25
Cell 102 (37/2) Chap 0, Type 12, Angle 0, Start 01:50:20;01/25


Only Problem, that shows only cell 1 - cell 96 in PGC 14 (should be Cell 116,too)

I know now, why you want a VobID/Scene list.
Create about 37 chapterXtractor eddited Vubsub Lists can be hell.

If no other want to talk with us, we could start a parallel post in german community ;)

About the d2F file:

Just tried to import a *.d2f file of the movie in Scenchap.
Same error like you.

[mikeathome]

Originally posted by fourtyfour
servus...
Back again.
Thanks for german translation.
Just DIF4U Matrix (PAL R2)
I have imported all .m2v of PGC 1 for testing in scenarist.
Now I´ve droped the .scp in scenchap and droped the .ifo, too.
Well, there are no errors in the ifo.
PGC 9 is complete.

PGC 1 Cell 101:
Only Problem, that shows only cell 1 - cell 96 in PGC 14 (should be Cell 116,too)
I know now, why you want a VobID/Scene list.
Create about 37 chapterXtractor eddited Vubsub Lists can be hell.
If no other want to talk with us, we could start a parallel post in german community ;)

About the d2F file:
Just tried to import a *.d2f file of the movie in Scenchap.
Same error like you.

Hi,

I am alomst ready with my X-Cel. I managed to get the same output as ScenCap (without the bug stopping in the middle of PGC 14 !) when importing an IFO (via IfoEdit and the Windows Clipboard ;-).
And I am on the way to create the scenelist. Once I understand more about Scenarist's scripting, I will output a script for direct import, no prob at all.

Again the question, what about PGC 9 having only one cell from VobID 14 (no 3), so it's possible to drop just one scene from a track ?
And what are the Types reflecting, I find Types 2,8,10,12,14 ???

mike

[fourtyfour]

servus...

Just received an email from Derrow whats about the Type:

He means, this could be a bitflag which set the Cell-Type.

(Maybe Type 8 is single cells, Type 2 Multiangle start ...)

I compared IFO file in ifoedit and Scenchap.

But I don´t see any context.

I´m waiting for daxab´s reply.
Maybe he could help.

About you X-cel programm:

You need a beta tester ? :D

[mikeathome]

Hi,

ok, I noticed that nobody is really interested in our discussion, fine, just one final question:

Does anybody know in which technical spec the exact structur of an IFO is described ?

mike

P.S.
I finished my own ScenCap (PAL only, no timecode issues ;-) already (still needs IFOEdit to gather the IFO Information), and once I have the information for the IFO structure I'll start improving it by making the intermediate IFOEdit Copy/Paste Step unnecessary. It'll than read the info required from the IFO directly.

[oddyseus]

u r way wrong. I am following this thread with great interest. I haven?t post anything yet because I don't have anything useful to offer.

By the way 132 views till now must have a couple of dozens that r following your discussion.

[mikeathome]

Hi,

fine, if somebody is interested in the Excel, drop me a note, no comlicated ChapterXtractor manual calculation needed anymore. Great help for tiles like Matrix.

mike