Possible Suggestion for a new tool?

[Toon_Junkie]

Hi,

I've just been playing and learning with the DVD backup guides and following the instructions along fairly well (big thanks to all), and I may have an idea for a usefull tool.

Alot of the guides, and a lot of posts through the forum deal with setting the bitrate sizes when re-encoding with CCE (something I'm having trouble with right now... but that's another story).

Anyway, I've been to Trilight's site and was noticing the formula he has posted there for figuring out how big you're final MPV can safely be. Namely, add up all the other VOBS etc, and any audio, sub streams, and then subtract that number from 4,700,000,000. That gives you your target end size for the main re-encode.

Also, I've been battling with Scenarist and a DTS stream that pushed the bitrate too high. Again, I found answers here about adding your asset sizes together to figure out what your MAX bitrate should be when re-encoding.

So.. my idea is this...

1) How about a tool that you can drag and drop (or point at a directory) that will total the files for you, let you select which VOBs to not include, and then give you a target size.

and then one I think would be really usefull

2) A tool that will let you drop in (or again, point somewhere) your audio, and sub streams. The program will then analyze the streams and their bitrate settings, and then give you a safe MAX Bitrate size to use for your re-encode.

Whadda ya think? and I hope I haven't posted this in the wrong section (sorry if I did).

[TRILIGHT]

It's not a bad idea, Toon. However, probably the biggest reason you won't see this is because so many projects vary. It's easy to do if you're just doing the main movie but many of us, including myself, opt for optimizing each project for a FULL backup. This means re-encoding extras as well as the movie, etc. As such, and since each project is very different given the number and types of audio and the overhead they produce, it is very difficult to come up with a tool to do this. Eyes`Only, myself, and some others are still gathering data on everything. When we have enough to produce more accurate formulas, you'll probably see it added to the "DoItFast4U!" tool. Until then, it is more accurate to do it the way listed in the guide. It's fairly "manual" as far as processes go but it's a LOT more accurate.

[destemido]

it would be a one click tool!!!
basically it would "kill" all the fum about this whole DVD ripping, authoring deal...
:D :D :D :D
and besides... you would only know how to "play" with already creted DVD's. but what about creating a DVD from scratch???
yes i know some DVD's can be a bitch, but that's the beauty of it!!

[Toon_Junkie]

Hey Trilight,

Well.. what I'm talking about is a full DVD backup. Following your instructions about encoding all the little stuff first and then subtracting those totals from the available space to get your target MPV size. That is where the "files totaling" tool would be usefull.From Trilights "DVD-9 to DVD-5 Multi-PGC FULL Backup Guide"
Now before we move on to encoding the movie, let's go ahead and encode the VTS_02 set. The reason it is best to do this first is because it includes the overhead that is introduced when compiling a VTS set. Once we do this, we can get a better idea of how much space we can squeeze out of the disc to use for our movie.
destemido: I don't want a one click tool, hate those. I enjoy the building process too :). But I think a tool that would analyze the streams for me and "advise" me what MAXBITRATE I could use in CCE could save a lot of headaches. Think of it as a specialized bitrate calculator.

I ended up re-encoded my last one 4 times because of the freakin DTS track always pushin it over the edge. (Actually, I think it was CCE that wasn't paying attention to my MAX setting, cause the MPV always came out as 9800 peak... I had to finally un-check the "DVD Compliant" setting and that seemed to work).

Anyway.. just my thoughts.

[mpucoder]

I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but years ago I bought a simple device that helps me with these problems. A $9 calculator I bought at a surplus store.

[Toon_Junkie]

Ahhhhhh touche ;)

[destemido]

you can use DVD2DVDR (it's something like what gordian knot is for Divx)it uses cce and ifo... it analyses the video and then tells you what is the min, max, and avg bitrate to use.
you can even "reserve" space for extra stuff, and the proggy will drop the bitrate acording to the space you reserve!!
it's a very nice tool...
get it at...
www.dvd2dvd-r.de

[<Aussie>Twodogs]

But I think a tool that would analyze the streams for me and "advise" me what MAXBITRATE I could use in CCE could save a lot of headaches. Think of it as a specialized bitrate calculator.

Toon_Junkie , it sounds like your talking about the program cce guesser " which you will find in a post here " it gives you min and max bitrates for cce after you input your overheads " audio , subs , xtra's etc " for your dvd project.

[Toon_Junkie]

Hey <Aussie>Twodogs.

That sounds pretty close to what I am talking about. I downloaded and did a quick view. Still seems like a lot of information has to be compiled manually... but it's a start.

For those interested... read the post found here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34521&highlight=cce+and+guesser).