Cue/Bin Burns with audio desync

[Shermanokc]

1st let me say that I truly appreciate all the help and knowledge you have offered. Your guides and how to's have covered everything and I will be making a donation.
I have tried to research this problem thoroughly so if I have missed the answer in your FAQs and searches, you have my apologies. My cue/bin burns are out of audio sync every time (which includes the foolproof method). I can mount a virtual drive with Daemon and PowerDVD plays back flawlessly. This is what is frustrating because everything appears to work so beautifully. The bbmpeg files burn and playback fine but of course I lose the control advantages.
System info: AMD XP-2000, 786mb RAM, plenty of harddrive, Pioneer DVR-104, Win 2000 w/sp3.
I burn w/Nero 5.5.9.9., I have tried cheap to expensive media. My stand alones are Apex AD-1200 and Philips DVD825 w/the hack upgrade. The example movie is Lord Of The Rings, r1, ntsc.

WNASPI32.DLL 4.71.2.0
Key found: E0181594C9
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- 12/24/2002 5:52:45 AM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.1.0 build 1c
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 12/24/2002 5:52:49 AM
- Analyzing subtitles
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Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x20 Language: English

Executing subtitle selection/verification.
Subtitle selection/verification accepted.
1 subtitle streams selected.
Saving Subtitles ini file
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- 12/24/2002 5:53:02 AM
- Free on drive F: 43639.16 mb
- Internal rip
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Preparing vobfiles to be ripped:
- D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob
- D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
- D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.vob
- D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.vob
- D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.vob
- D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_6.vob
- D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_7.vob

Ripping: D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob
Ripping: D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
Ripping: D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.vob
Ripping: D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.vob
Ripping: D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.vob
Ripping: D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_6.vob
Ripping: D:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_7.vob
Ripping finished. Speed: 2796

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- 12/24/2002 6:36:45 AM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VTS_01_1.vob,F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VTS_01_2.vob,F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VTS_01_3.vob,F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VTS_01_4.vob,F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VTS_01_5.vob,F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VTS_01_6.vob,F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VTS_01_7.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 12/24/2002 6:39:50 AM
- Free on drive F: 36483.73 mb
- Extracting the subtitles.
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Subtitle extraction finished. Extracted these subtitles:
SVCD Stream no: 1 Language: English Num. of subs: 1384

Saving Subtitles ini file
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- 12/24/2002 6:45:10 AM
- Free on drive F: 36469.02 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Audio extraction finished.

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- 12/24/2002 6:49:19 AM
- Free on drive F: 35897.54 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 12/24/2002 7:25:16 AM
- Free on drive F: 35652.59 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp
Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 12/24/2002 7:25:32 AM
- Free on drive F: 35651.63 mb
- Video Encoding using TMPGEnc
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- Encoding F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\TitlePicture.bmp.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Documents and Settings\dds.RODAN\My Documents\Purchased TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc Plus-2.54.37.135\TMPGEnc.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Documents and Settings\dds.RODAN\My Documents\Purchased TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc Plus-2.54.37.135\TMPGEnc.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\AviSynth_Script_file.avs
StreamSectors: 2495536764
AudioSectors: 260508780
VideoPAPO: 34621776
ScanOffsetBytes: 230903
SeqAligningBytes: 14675175
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 12
SubtitleSectors: 5658940
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 900.00
PureMPEGStream: 2179841178.10
Seconds: 10709.66
CalcMPEGStream: 2179841178.10
Frames: 256559
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 3
Cut point 792.00
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Documents and Settings\dds.RODAN\My Documents\Purchased TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc Plus-2.54.37.135\TMPGEnc.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

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- 12/25/2002 4:21:37 AM
- Free on drive F: 33578.77 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\TitlePicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 12/25/2002 4:21:44 AM
- Free on drive F: 33578.75 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 12/25/2002 4:21:51 AM
- Free on drive F: 33578.71 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 12/25/2002 4:21:56 AM
- Free on drive F: 33578.71 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 792 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3685 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 3687
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 792 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3583 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 7270
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 792 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 12/25/2002 4:37:05 AM
- Free on drive F: 31209.91 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3687.210 seconds F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
3585.176 seconds F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing: F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File02.mpg
3430.139 seconds F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File02.mpg
Analyzing finished.

Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
SVCD subtitles.
Length of F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3687
Length of F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
3585
Length of F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File02.mpg
3430
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- 12/25/2002 4:38:25 AM
- Free on drive F: 31208.86 mb
- Multiplexing SVCD Subtitles
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Muxing English subtitles, CD 1
Executing SubMux. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\WinSubMux\WinSubMux.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg" -l "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Subs\SubLog1.txt" -s0 "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Subs\en1-1.sub" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File-subbed00.mpg"
Muxing English subtitles, CD 2
Executing SubMux. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\WinSubMux\WinSubMux.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg" -l "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Subs\SubLog2.txt" -s0 "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Subs\en1-2.sub" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File-subbed01.mpg"
Muxing English subtitles, CD 3
Executing SubMux. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\WinSubMux\WinSubMux.exe" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File02.mpg" -l "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Subs\SubLog3.txt" -s0 "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\Subs\en1-3.sub" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File-subbed02.mpg"
Muxing subtitles finished
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- 12/25/2002 4:44:24 AM
- Free on drive F: 28831.87 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 15

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VCDXBU~1.XML"
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- 12/25/2002 4:46:29 AM
- Free on drive F: 28024.79 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 15

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VCDXBU~2.XML"
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- 12/25/2002 4:48:41 AM
- Free on drive F: 27219.34 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 12

CD image #3: CD_Image_File_CD3.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\CD_Image_File_CD3.cue" --bin-file="F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\CD_Image_File_CD3.bin" "F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\VCDXBU~3.XML"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 12/25/2002 4:50:50 AM
- Free on drive F: 26421.35 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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AviSynth_script_file.avs
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\DVD2SVCD\MOVIE\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
BicubicResize(480,360,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)

[UltimateDBZ]

If it plays back fine with Daemon and PowerDVD, then it must be your standalone(s). Check http://www.vcdhelp.com to see what they have to say about your models.

[Shermanokc]

I have checked w/vcdhelp and there are mixed reviews about the Apex 1200 compatibility w/SVCD. Actually I purchased it when I stumbled upon VCD but prior to acquiring SVCD as my format of choice. As a sidebar, the LOTR example I mentioned in my original post disk 1 is out of sync from the start while disks 2 and 3 play perfectly in the Apex. I guess we are not dealing with exact science? Thanks again.

[get right]

I hade the same problem with audio out of sync. In my case it helped to uncheck all boxes that has to do with "Title picture, Change cd picture, last cd picture". Now I have only the boxes VCDX-build and DVD-chapters checked in the cd-image catalogue. And it works perfect for me.

You have those alternative checked according to your log that you have sent.

Hope it works out for you. It did for me.

[winxi]

Hello!

Its a known issue with some Apex standalone player that the audio will be out of sync if you have a menu with MPEG Stills _before_ your main movie. As you said that all except the first CD worked fine, i´m quite sure that this is your problem, since the titlepic is a kind of menu with MPEG Stills.

You have 2 options:
-uncheck titlepic in dvdsvcd, you can leave changecd and last cd checked
-use a short motion MPEG as titlepic.


You can also use
d2sccd (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40374) to add an audiostream to your MPEG Still. (about this point i´m not really sure, but you may try it if you nevertheless want to keep the title pic)

hope this helps,

winxi

ps: i think this sounds like exact science, btw its always better to post all the information in the first post. For example the only relevant information for your problem was "apex" and "all but first work". ;)

[Shermanokc]

My reply about this being exact science was a little tounge in cheek and I hoped I might slip by without being caught on it. I did not include all the relevant information in my original post and I offer my apologies. Your advice about adjusting the settings on the CD Image tab worked to the benefit of the Apex but the Philips is still noticably out of sync. Could be media, etc but at least I have one standalone on which my backups play well. Thanks again and another piece of my learning curve is filled in.