Minority Report - wierd vob layout prob?

[deerhunter]

Has anyone tried to re encode minority report pal? The first vob contains the middle of the movie at the start then six minutes into it the film starts? Therefor CCE / Maestro usual way doesnt work! as it is all out of order?

Any ideas anyone, done a search but no solutions?

cheers peeps....

[drmih]

They've just put a bogus vob-id 1 at the beginning that isn't referenced by the movie. Either strip out the movie by selecting the PGC (which will leave vob-id 1 behind), use Ifoedit and uncheck vob-id 1, or as I prefer copy all the files to the HD and then load vts_01_1.vob into vobrator. Make sure that vob-id 1 is not included in the output and then save as a new file. Rename the original file to something and then change the newly saved one to vts_01_1.vob. From then on treat as normal.

You'll also find exactly the same on Monsters, Inc.

[deerhunter]

trying it now cheers!.............

[orbit-r]

hi i think more and more dvd`s will have multi pgc`s..

but the sceanarist way, like explained in the guide section, works just fine...:D

[drmih]

This problem is not specific to multiple PGCs it's a clever little idea of including vob-ids that aren't referenced by the PGCs

[deerhunter]

drmih you are a genius! worked a treat!

firt time i have seen that though after 200 re encodes!

[orbit-r]

oh idon`t know,cause minority report isn`t out here at time,
but i think this and(f.e. three pgc`s in the mainmovie),are placed in the new dvd`s for making bachup harder?

does this mean when stripp with smart ripper (selecting only main movie)the problem is still there?

thanxs

[Yannis]

Using DVD2AVI I set the starting point for the stream after the bogus part and the ending point just before the end credits (so that final size ~133 mins) and re-encoded at 4140 Kbps VBR, without *anything* else (subtitles, DTS, menus. etc). Quality control later, showed fantastic almost indiscernible difference.

[HomerJ]

I did this one last night, with some concerns having read the early reports by deerhunter.

I ripped using Smartripper "Movie Only" mode. All seemed well, ripped PGC1 (Although it did rip it VERY fast X4) I noted that PGC2 had a 1 sec clip. Was this the bogus VOB ID that drmih talked of ?

Anyway, next step with DVD2AVI. This is where the problems started. All seemed to go well until about 75% of the way through. Everything stopped. PC froze (XP Home) had to reboot. Tried again, same thing.

In the end, I ripped again, same process, but this time the rip speed was a lot slower (bit slower than normal in fact) but DVD2AVI worked Ok, and the final burned DVD plays just fine.

I'm interested to learn how to recognise a "bogus VOB ID"

What does it look like in the file ?

HomerJ :D

[drmih]

The reason that it is 'bogus' is that it exists but is not accessable by any PGC. If you open the titleset with Ifoedit you will see the PGCs and chapters used. In this case PGC1 is the movie and PGC2 is the small video at the end - I think that the reason for the short PGC is that it stops the easy duplication of the whole disc - you'll find that the play order of the disc will call the small PGC first and if it isn't there will make the disc not play on a standalone player. Therefore, if you want a perfect copy you have to use Scenarist and totally redo the titleset so that it has the two PGCs. Anyway, that aside, if you look at the vob-ids used by the PGCs you'll see that vob-id 1 is not referenced - the movie uses vob-id 2. Therefore you can't reencode the movie until you have ripped out the PGC. It's not difficult to overcome but it may catch out people who are not too familiar with how the disc is laid out.