need an accurate way to split merge vobs

[shpanks]

i have some dvds i'd like to encode into divx however they are hkdvds. That in itself is not a problem but the way they are released is, they have like 9 episodes to one disc so i cannot go about how i'd normally do it (gordion knot) because it'll look shit. I've tried to use some the vobsplitters and mergers and such but i need something that's accurate cos most of them deal in bytes and such and i don't know what byte the first episodes ends or then second starts. i tried ussing tmpeg and it thinks the whole video is 1:42 in length which strangely enough wmp thinks as well so has anyone got a decent solution to my problem...

thanx shpanks

[ammck55]

shpanks:

Execute a search on program chains. If you clean up your post, you'll probably get better help than what I can give you.

ammck55

[manono]

Hi-

Can't you rip by chapters using SmartRipper? Also, you should be able to make separate .d2vs for each episode using DVD2AVI and the [ and ] buttons. You may have to resynch the subs, though. Also, I'm not sure I understand why using GKnot would make them look bad. Make them for 3 CDs with 3 episodes per CD.

[shpanks]

thanx 4 that manano i forgot about the several cd option on gknot but the thing is i'm aiming 4 like 4 episodes a cd... Is it possible to set up 4 episodes through gordion knot but encode each 1 seperately with the same attributes as if i was doing them all at the same time (basically so they still add up to the same size and still look the same as if they were encoded in the one go)??

thanx 4 that

thing is i like the quality achieved by gordion knot and i really cbf doing a zillion setting through nandub for every episode.

[manono]

Hi-

encode each 1 seperately with the same attributes as if i was doing them all at the same time

By that I assume that you mean you want the quality to be the same among all the episodes on each CD. And I'll ignore the subs. Either you're not going to need subs, or you're going to do separate subs and you can worry about splitting and resynching them later. If you plan on burning the subs into the video, it's still doable, but trickier (you may have to adjust the delay).

The easiest way to get equal quality is to do four episodes at a time. I think the best way is to do it is in DVD2AVI because you can get the audio for the 4 episodes at the same time, and don't have to worry about joining the whole thing when you're done just to add the audio and then split again afterwards. So, you put [ at the beginning of the first episode and ] at the end of the 4th episode and make one .d2v. Then put [ at the same place as the ] was last time, and the ] at the end of the 8th episode, and then do the same thing for the 9th episode. Then you encode 4 at a time, and add audio (or let GKnot do that for you) and split when done.

And yes, you can encode each episode separately, but it's more work. Either do the [ and ] thing I just described but for each episode, or make one giant .d2v for all nine episodes. If you prefer to make one large .d2v, then you can use the Trim command in AviSynth to encode each episode separately.

But if the chapters are done properly, you should rip by chapters in SmartRipper to begin with. You have 9 episodes, so there should be either 36 or 45 chapters. So, each episode will have either 4 or 5 chapters (if there's an extra chapter, then the last one is a dummy chapter and don't count it).

But one way or another you now have the vobs split up by episodes. You didn't say which codec you're using. If it's XviD or DivX3, it's much easier because you can get a percentage after running the first pass, and adjust the file sizes for each episode until the percentages match for each episode (start each episode at 175MB and adjust up or down until the percentages match). That's how you then have equal quality for each episode. But doing 4 at a time is still way easier (unless the episodes begin and end with fadeins and fadeouts-then you might not have keyframes set at the end of each episode).

You can't, of course, do 8 or 9 episodes at one crack, because then you won't have the right file size for each CD. One will almost certainly have too much, and the other too little. Unless you are using DivX3. If you are using DivX3, you can run the first pass on the whole thing, and then split the stats file afterwards into 2 groups of 4 episodes.

There are lots of possibilities, and I hope I've given you some ideas on how to go about it. If you like, come back after you've decided what to do if you need more advice.

[shpanks]

yeS THANX to u i discovered the [ ] in dvd2avi.. which is all very well but.... i want to know what this trim command u refer to in avisynth is. Cos i'm either gonna do each episode seperately (using [] in dvd2avi) and set cd size to 175mb in gknot or i'll do the 4 episode thing which is what i did with nge but it has fadin fadeouts which is y i need to know what the trim command is?

[manono]

Hi-

Trim Command: If you have one big .d2v for the whole set of 9 episodes, it's a way to use AviSynth to split it into episodes. You open the .avs for the whole thing in VDub, and find the frame number where each episode is to be split. Say, for the sake of argument, that each episode is 25,000 frames long. Then to get just the first episode, you enter this as the last line in the .avs:

Trim(0,24999)

And then the Trim command for the second episode is:

Trim(25000,49999)

And so on. There's a major plus to doing it this way and that is that you no longer have to worry about synching the subs (if you're going to burn them into the .avi). And there's also a major minus to it and that is the audio. When you're all done encoding the video you'll have to put all the episodes back together again to add the audio and then split them again. Or you'll have to convert the audio to .wav and add it to the .avs and then the Trim command will work on it also. Then when you're done you extract the audio from each episode and convert it to .mp3 and add it back again. There are also ways to split the AC3 audio but I've never done it and don't know how.

There's no easy and simple way to do what you want to do. All ways have their drawbacks. I still recommend ripping by chapters in SmartRipper, making separate SSA subs, and then using Sub Station Alpha to split and resynch them later. No audio problems doing it that way either.

However, you still didn't say which codec you're using. If it's DivX3, then you do 4 episodes at a time and then add keyframes in between the episodes using GKnot after doing the first pass so that you're sure that they'll split at the right place later.

[shpanks]

i am in fact using div3.11. Sorry for my n00bness but how do u insert keyframes because this would also help me fix up nge as well then i'd b able to do everything with gknot! Don't worry about subtitles i know how to do that stuff it's quite straightforward i'm using soft sub too. Does ac3 deal in frames like video because if it does that would mena i oculd use something similar to the trim command and encode only 25000 frames or so then add it to the vdub with the trim added to the avs and bingo!

I'm trying to get a picture in my head what each program does is avisynth like a template creator for vdub/nandub is it like a decoder for instructions for vdub/nandub. what is a dvd2avi project is it just a file compiled of specifically selected decoded vobs?? why can i not just load a .d2v file directly into vdub?

[manono]

Hi-

First the audio-I was checking out cutting AC3 a while ago, and discovered that HeadAC3he can do it easily. I'm sure BeSweet can also, but I ordinarily use HeadAC3he. As I understand it, audio frames are different from video frames, but you can do it by time very easily.

Inserting keyframes when using DivX3 and GKnot. It's easy. Do your first pass of 4 episodes. Open the 1st pass stats file in GKnot in the Nandub Files Tab. Then go to the Stats File Editor Tab. See the Key-Frames Box sort of in the right center, and see the Manual Toggle button in there? So scroll to the frames where you want to insert the keyframe and hit Manual Toggle. Then hit Calculate in the upper left, save the modified stats file, and go back to the Nandub Files Tab and save the Nandub Encoding Control Files (ECF). That's the one that has the keyframe info. There are more complete instructions with pictures near the bottom of Doom9's GKnot Guide (http://www.doom9.org/gknot.htm).

As for the second paragraph, you'll have to get someone else to answer. I might say something wrong.

[DSPguru]

cutting of ac3 isn't done with BeSweet. it is done with BeSplit (together with the frontend WBIAS (http://BeSplit.doom9.org))

[shpanks]

thanx 4 your time ppl unfortuanetly my gknot is refusing to encode now so i'ma go format and encode those raw avis' of mine too.

[manono]

Thanks DSPguru for setting me straight (again) when I say something wrong or stupid (which is more often than I might like).

[DSPguru]

Originally posted by manono
Thanks DSPguru for setting me straight (again) when I say something wrong or stupid (which is more often than I might like). i would really advise you to go to my webpage, download all, and start playing ;)

[shpanks]

i've formatted my pc and all that and encoding works i've done the first pass 4 cowboy bebop 4 episodes and when i load the stats file i get "d2v not matching stats (video is 119204 frames longer)" then it asks whether i would like to "number of frames not matching, enter number of frames into calculator?" :confused: mayb this has something to with fast deinterlacing or ivtc (even though i dechecked both of them i'm pretty sure)

When at the very start (i forgot to ask this) but in the bitrate tab where there is the interleaving and avi overhead i never know which option to select because there is 1xac3 and it has a summary of 1 mp3,ac3 or wav and then there's 1 vbr mp3 and i'm not sure whether my old abr mp3's fall under vbr or ac3??

The inserting key frames 4 nge collection 0:2 seems to b working however in the gknot guide it says after manually toggling your keyframes u should press auto to reposition the other keyframes according to where u manually placed yours? should i do this?

ah well i've done it neway 4 nge 0:2 now for the last question on my nge 0:2 first pass i accidentally set it to both passes and it created to stats files (1 entitled d2v.stat which is what i titled it and the other d2v_914_kbps.stats) it created a log perhaps it might b useful to you i think that it only created the second stat upon the second pass meaning since that shouldn't have happened perhaps it's safe to use the first file neway i'll let u decide

wait a minute me thinx i know what happened to the cowboy bebop stats file when i woke up this morning my computer was still on (even though i set gknot to shutdown windows when finished) and i turned the monitor on shaked the mouse and it appeared to have crashed perhaps it crashed a quater way into bebop cos i load the stats file and i can only access like the first episode perhaps i should just do it again! newayz continue ;)

omg this post is huge but i tried going through the knot way of doing a second pass and it doesn't get the option up and doesn't let me select the new stats file. I create the new avs an ecf and then i do save and encode and it still only lets me do first or both :(

2/12/2002 4:39:15 AM: Job "Nge Collection 0:1" started.

o DivX3-First Pass: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avs
o DivX3-Second Pass: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avs
x Mux Audio (disabled).
End of Job 2 (Nge Collection 0:1).
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Encoding Job Data:

Type: EncD3_Both
Number: 2
Name: Nge Collection 0:1
Platform: Win2000 (5.0.2195).2
Files:
VirtualDubExe: C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\virtualdub\Virtualdub.exe
NandubExe: C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\nandub\Nandub.exe
AviFinal: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avi
AviMovie: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v_Movie.avi
AviCredits: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v_Credits.avi
MovieFS: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avs
CreditsFS:
Log : D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.log
Stats: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.stats
Ecf : D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.ecf
Options:
Quality/DRF: 0
CreditsStart: 0
UseEcf: 1
CreditsIVTC: 0
CreditsAppend: 1
DeleteInterm.: 0
EnforceBitrate:0
Calculator:
VideoSize: 647021 kbyte.
Audio1Size: 66386 kbyte.
Audio2Size: 0 kbyte.
Overhead: 3391 kbyte.
AviSize: 716800 kbyte (700 mbyte).
FilesSize: 0 kbyte.
TotalSize: 716800 kbyte (700 mbyte).
Interleaving: disabled
Bitrate: 914 k(=1024)Bits/s
Frames: 141626
FPS: 25.000
Duration: 1:34:25
Resolution: 512 x 384
Quality: 0.190 bits/(pixel*frame).
Audio 1:
none.
Audio 2:
none.

4:39:15 AM: Audio 1, calc: 66386 kb
4:39:15 AM: Audio 1, disabled, no recalc. - you probably want to add this track later.

Adding this script to C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\nandub\VirtualDub.jobs:

// $job "DivX3 First Pass"
// $input "D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avs"
// $output "D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avi"
// $state 0
// $start_time 0 0
// $end_time 0 0
// $script

VirtualDub.Open("D:\\DVD rips\\Nge Collection 0-1\\pre-encoding files\\d2v.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetSource(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetInterleave(1,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.audio.SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetVolume();
VirtualDub.audio.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.audio2.SetSource(0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetInterleave(1,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetVolume();
VirtualDub.audio2.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetDivX(6000,9999);
VirtualDub.video.SetQualityControl(0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMotionDetection(8,10,300,300);
VirtualDub.video.SetCrispness(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SpaceKF(24);
VirtualDub.video.InternalSCD(100);
VirtualDub.video.SetMinKBPS(270);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveFile("");
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveMcFactor(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveCompression(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveFilter(0,9999);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveCredits(0,350);
VirtualDub.video.SetLumaCorrectionAmp(0,10,30);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveRedist(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsMain(2,2);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsA(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsB(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsC(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsD(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsE(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelK(2,4);
VirtualDub.video.SetBitsReservoir(0,100,0,100,45,100);
VirtualDub.video.SetLowBrCorrection(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.NoAVIOutput(1);
VirtualDub.video.GenStats("D:\\DVD rips\\Nge Collection 0-1\\pre-encoding files\\d2v.stats",1);
VirtualDub.video.SetEncodingControl("");
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("D:\\DVD rips\\Nge Collection 0-1\\pre-encoding files\\d2v.avi");
VirtualDub.Close();

// $endjob
//
//--------------------------------------------------
// $done

4:39:15 AM: Started DivX3-First Pass: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avs
6:53:34 AM: Finished DivX3-First Pass. Duration: 2 hours, 14 minutes, 18 seconds.
6:53:34 AM: Checking Stats-File.
6:53:34 AM: File Exists.
6:53:34 AM: Encoded: 141626 Frames.
6:53:34 AM: Speed: 17.574 Frames per Second.
6:53:36 AM: Created new stats-file: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v_914_kbps.stats
6:53:36 AM: Created ecf: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.ecf

Adding this script to C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\nandub\VirtualDub.jobs:

// $job "DivX3 Second Pass"
// $input "D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avs"
// $output "D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avi"
// $state 0
// $start_time 0 0
// $end_time 0 0
// $script

VirtualDub.Open("D:\\DVD rips\\Nge Collection 0-1\\pre-encoding files\\d2v.avs",0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetSource(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetInterleave(1,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.audio.SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetVolume();
VirtualDub.audio.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.audio2.SetSource(0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetInterleave(1,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetVolume();
VirtualDub.audio2.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetDivX(914,12);
VirtualDub.video.SetQualityControl(0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMotionDetection(8,10,300,300);
VirtualDub.video.SetCrispness(100,0);
VirtualDub.video.SpaceKF(24);
VirtualDub.video.InternalSCD(100);
VirtualDub.video.SetMinKBPS(270);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveFile("D:\\DVD rips\\Nge Collection 0-1\\pre-encoding files\\d2v_914_kbps.stats");
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveMcFactor(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveCompression(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveFilter(0,9999);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveCredits(0,350);
VirtualDub.video.SetLumaCorrectionAmp(0,10,30);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveRedist(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsMain(2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsA(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsB(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsC(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsD(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsE(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelK(2,4);
VirtualDub.video.SetBitsReservoir(0,35,30,70,10,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetLowBrCorrection(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.NoAVIOutput(0);
VirtualDub.video.GenStats("",1);
VirtualDub.video.SetEncodingControl("D:\\DVD rips\\Nge Collection 0-1\\pre-encoding files\\d2v.ecf");
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("D:\\DVD rips\\Nge Collection 0-1\\pre-encoding files\\d2v.avi");
VirtualDub.Close();

// $endjob
//
//--------------------------------------------------
// $done

6:53:36 AM: Started DivX3-Second Pass: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avs
9:01:11 AM: Finished DivX3-Second Pass. Duration: 2 hours, 7 minutes, 35 seconds.
9:01:11 AM: Speed: 18.500 Frames per Second.

Adding this script to C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\nandub\VirtualDub.jobs:

// $job "DivX3 Append"
// $input "D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v_Movie.avi"
// $output "D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avi"
// $state 0
// $start_time 0 0
// $end_time 0 0
// $script

VirtualDub.Open("D:\\DVD rips\\Nge Collection 0-1\\pre-encoding files\\d2v_Movie.avi",0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetSource(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetInterleave(1,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.audio.SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetVolume();
VirtualDub.audio.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.audio2.SetSource(0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetInterleave(1,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetVolume();
VirtualDub.audio2.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("D:\\DVD rips\\Nge Collection 0-1\\pre-encoding files\\d2v.avi");
VirtualDub.Close();

// $endjob
//
//--------------------------------------------------
// $done

9:01:11 AM: Started Appending Credits: D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v_Movie.avi
9:01:13 AM: Finished Appending Credits. Duration: 1 second.

9:01:13 AM: Done.
9:01:13 AM: Movie = D:\DVD rips\Nge Collection 0-1\pre-encoding files\d2v.avi
Total Encoding Time: 4 hours, 21 minutes, 57 seconds.
2/12/2002 9:01:13 AM: Job "Nge Collection 0:1" finished.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

[manono]

Hi-

I answered earlier, but just as I was going to post we had a power failure and then 3 more in the next 2 hours, so I gave up temporarily. Where I live, it seems like a third world country sometimes.

in the gknot guide it says after manually toggling your keyframes u should press auto to reposition the other keyframes according to where u manually placed yours? should i do this?

The idea is that there won't be any of the other keyframes from the first pass closer to your new one than the default 50 minimum spacing. I don't use the minimum (I use 4, so that wasn't a problem for me usually), so I did it slightly differently than the way Doom9 recommends. But to answer your question-yes.

Why won't it allow you to encode just the Second Pass in the upper left corner of the Encoding Control Panel? Is it greyed out? Is it just not there? Do you have the latest 0.26 Update of GKnot?

No matter-you can do it just as easily yourself in Nandub. Go File-Open Video File and open the .avs. Go File-Load Processing Settings and enter GordianKnot_Default.vcf (from the Nandub Directory of GKnot). Go Video-SBC Options-SBC Settings-ECF Tab and enter your ECF File. Go to the Bitrate Curve Tab-Encode Using and enter the modified stats file. Go to the DivX Tab and enter the bit rate from the modified stats file. Go File-Save As AVI, give it a name, and that's it. Piece of cake.

and i'm not sure whether my old abr mp3's fall under vbr

ABR is another kind of VBR, so just tick the VBR MP3 box.

[shpanks]

to answer your question 'Why won't it allow you to encode just the Second Pass in the upper left corner of...' it's greyed out.

And where exactly do i get the bitrate from the modified stats file?]

thanx neway

i just noticed something should it say under video in nandub fast recompress instead of full processing mayb it's got something to do with it being a second pass :confused: ah well i've started em neway ; how do u schedule stuff in nandub i tried doing the job stuff, didn't happen ah well just gonna have to have 3 instances of nandub running @ same time ;)

[manono]

Hi shpanks-

Gee, I don't know-I open the Encoding Control Panel and Second Pass is ready to be ticked. A little further down, does the Frame Server have your .avs selected? But like I said, it doesn't much matter. And you'll gain a better better understanding of the process by doing it yourself.

And change Full Processing to Fast Recompress (sorry-I forgot to mention that before).

And where exactly do i get the bitrate from the modified stats file?

Here's a sample of a Modified Stats File after you do the Calculate and Save:

Excel-1-Stats_973_kbps_270_min.stats

And you plug in 973, and 270 should already be there as the minimum after loading the Processing Settings.

how do u schedule stuff in nandub i tried doing the job stuff,

When you go to save the AVI, check the box in the middle left that says "Add operation to job list and defer processing", and when you have your multiple jobs set up, go File-Job Control, highlight the first one and hit Start. Then they'll run one after the other.

[shpanks]

THANX AGAIN DUDE but i finished nge 0:1-2 and they seem alright even though i entered the divx bitrate from the gordionknot calculation in the bitrate tab (it was late i wanted to accomplish something!). I'm doing the ac3-ogg now then i'll split it up into 4 ogms and everything will b sweet.

thing is when i saved the edited .stat file i renamed it ;) is there any other way to get bitrate calculations from it. Also how do u create an ecf file i had 1 already for my nge0:1 cos i accidentally did both pass the first time and for the second time in gknot when i was doing the stats stuff i just did save under nanddub files- nandub encoding control files is that a legit way?

It apears that my nge rips are not valid the keyframes are not apparent. I tried going to the end of each episode where i set it and they're not there :(. O yea and when i try do second pass in gordian knot it selects the wrong stats file and i can't choose which 1 i'd like to use. Could u perhaps direct me through doing a second pass in gknot?

Oh that's right i wanted to ask u with my cowboy bebop rip it's ntsc interlaced and in the gknot guide i can't find what it says to do to interlaced ntsc material so yea... it tells what to do to pal (use fast deinterlace i think it said) but i've heard u have to do ivtc or sometin

[shpanks]

It apears that my nge rips are not valid the keyframes are not apparent. I tried going to the end of each episode where i set it and they're not there :(. O yea and when i try do second pass in gordian knot it selects the wrong stats file and i can't choose which 1 i'd like to use. Could u perhaps direct me through doing a second pass in gknot?

Oh that's right i wanted to ask u with my cowboy bebop rip it's ntsc interlaced and in the gknot guide i can't find what it says to do to interlaced ntsc material so yea... it tells what to do to pal (use fast deinterlace i think it said) but i've heard u have to do ivtc or sometin

[manono]

Hi shpanks-

is there any other way to get bitrate calculations from it.

The one from the Modified Stats File is the same as in the Bitrate Tab over on the right side under Average Bitrate.

OK-lets go through how to set the keyframe number you want for the end of each episode. If you IVTC, then you can't get them from the opened .d2v. It's at 29.97fps, and your IVTC'd Stats file is at 23.976fps, and the frame numbers are different. So open the .avs in Nandub and scroll to the frame where you want to choose a Key Frame and write it down. Then, after opening the Stats File in GKnot (and check %Graph and SC Graph over on the right) , you scroll to the frame you want (it will say your Current Frame in the middle left) and hit Manual Toggle and you'll see a purple line show up. When you're all done, go back to the Nandub Files Tab and make sure the 3 boxes are checked (Key frames, Delta frames, and Motion), and save the ECF (name it CB-1-ECF.ecf or something like that). You can open the .ecf file in Notepad and scroll to the new keyframes you set and make sure they say K (keyframe), instead of D (delta frame). Then when you want to run the second pass in GKnot, in the Encoding Control Panel (none of this works if you can't tick Second pass), tick 2nd pass, make sure Frame Server and AVI Output Files are correct, select the Modified Stats File, check ECF and select it also. Also, if you IVTC, check IVTC in .avs->Correct Frame Count (something you should have done for the first pass also). If none of that works, run the second pass directly in Nandub as I said yesterday.

It apears that my nge rips are not valid the keyframes are not apparent.

Open the ECF File and make sure you had them where they were supposed to be. If not, you can set them manually in the ECF (by changing "D" to "K") and run the second pass again.

Oh that's right i wanted to ask u with my cowboy bebop rip it's ntsc interlaced and in the gknot guide i can't find what it says to do to interlaced ntsc material so yea... it tells what to do to pal (use fast deinterlace i think it said) but i've heard u have to do ivtc or sometin

It's not interlaced-DVD2AVI is often wrong about that. Yes, u have to do ivtc or sometin. I'm not about to explain all about IVTC. Read This (http://www.doom9.org/ivtc-tut.htm). Also, check out Doom9's guides on Decomb and IVTC. Also, get the latest Decomb from the download page (replace the decomb.dll in the GKnot folder with the newer one, and replace the Decomb.html with the newer one in the Docs folder-and READ it). Also get the newest AviSynth from Doom9's download page and install it.

And don't ever use FastDeinterlace (aka VerticalReduceBy2)-it sucks. Are we getting any closer to success yet? I hope so.

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well to answer that last question are we getting any closer to success yet i'd have to say yes on the brink of success. I encoded cowboy bebop yesterday both passes and i can split it up fine cos it has keyframes @ the endings (it doesn't fade out like nge) but.... it was too big so i'll try doing that ivtc stuff to it cos another thing i noticed is like horizontal lines which i presume is interlace stuff ( iheard that interlacing has something to do with creating a frame in two parts to prevent jittering on tv's or sometin cos when u pause sometimes u can c the next frame within the frame that u paused on). And yeah i'll try nge tonight again if not use fast deinterlace what should i use?

[manono]

Hi shpanks-

I don't know if your bootleg CB's are any good, but if they did a half way decent job on it, then it can be IVTC'd. So make your .d2v with no field operation (29.97fps) and apply IVTC in GKnot.

Instead of FastDeinterlace, I'd recommend FieldDeinterlace in GKnot, but you'll get lots of opinions on that. You might compare how it looks with the GreedyHMA deinterlacing. To apply GreedyHMA, you'll have to open the .avs, Load the plugin, and remove the "#" from the GreedyHMA deinterlace line.

Gee, I get away with a short one today. You must be getting the hang of it now. Anyday now I'll expect a report that you've made a successful encode. By the way-NGE is royally screwed up. It's too bad that you started with that one, because no matter what you do, it'll never look any good. But with work, you'll get a decent rip of CB. Good Luck.

[shpanks]

thanx dude yea i've noticed with nge, i've been watching it and shit and like i'm thinkin aren't the guys who encode this stuff supposed to b pro's. A perfect example of their 'proffesionalism' would have to b the credits; i mean what the hell's with that! But with the encodes i've made from it (regardless of whether or not they were entirely successful) they look pretty much like the dvd so i'm satisfied. BTW i'm using hkdvd version of Cowboy Bebop and will use external soft subs cos the 1's that were on the DVD's are made by some 2 yearold chinese guy. Yeah thanx for wasting your precious time on me time and time again i eventually get things just takes time.

last thing b4 i go if i inversetelecine because i'm reducing the amount of frames will that also improve the compressability of the movie because it has less frames to compress :D

thanx

shpanks

[manono]

Hi-

Yep, the quality improves tremendously for 2 reasons. One is because you're IVTCing to return the original progressive frames instead of just deinterlacing. And the other and main reason is that you're distributing the same bit rate among 20% fewer frames which by itself improves the quality by 25%. You can confirm that by doing the compress test with IVTC on. Check the percentage difference you get by flipping between 29.97fps and 23.976fps down in the lower left corner of GKnot after you've loaded the stats file. With the possible exceptions of NGE and Lodoss, just about all anime series can be IVTC'd successfully. However, some newer anime series, such as Excel Saga which I'm fooling with now, have a mix of 24fps and 30fps progressive content which throws another monkey wrench into the mix. Anime is real tough to learn on. Why couldn't you have done a few easy Hollywood type movies to start out on? :)

[shpanks]

the thing is i have but i'm not stupid enough to screw those up! They're are pretty straight forward as long as u follow teh guides; but anime is my primary goal since it's waycool

[shpanks]

Gordion knots being a slut again... (giving me bs errors b4 encoding prob need 2 format again) can u direct me through doing 2 passes for cowboy bebop (yes the ivtc included!) in one go in nandub. I tried doing it myself i loaded the avs loaded a processing file (gordionknotdefault_noecf sometin like tghat) then since i couldn't think of anything else to load i did do both passes and when i woke up this morning it didn't do the whole thing yet it turned my computer off as if it had (i set it to shutdown when complete). Neway the outcome looks just as bad as the 1 that was illsized if not worse but i think the ivtc worked on the other hand! There's also a whole lot of frames that have like fluro colors and stuff in them :( and dodgyness i h8 dodgy ness

[manono]

Hi-

To run the first pass in Nandub, first load the .avs created within GKnot and scroll around to make sure that it's OK (no crashes). Then go File-Load Processing Settings and Load the Default.1st.pass.vcf (from the Nandub Folder). Then Go File-First Pass and give it a name (like Movie.stats). Then wait. When done, open the stats file in the Nandub Files tab of GKnot. You can also Load it to get a percentage figure. Then follow the previous instructions about creating the modified stats file and running the second pass.

If you want to run both passes while you sleep and outside of GKnot, then instead of running the first pass immediately, add it to the job list as explained before. Then go and set up the second pass, but then you'll need to understand all the settings and you'll have to read up on Doom9's SBC Guide (http://www.doom9.org/sbc_main.htm). Better you do it from within GKnot.

Why are you crashing all the time? Are you overclocked by chance? And are the bad frames made up of ugly big blocks and nasty looking smears? Then you'll have to run the second pass in Full Processing and set up anti-shit (which may or may not fix it). You can do that either within GKnot or outside of it.

[shpanks]

well to the question 'why ami crashingall the time' i'm infact not overclocked i'm not exactly sure why my pc runs so shit. I have an idea though mayb it's because of the heat. heres my specs, video: radeon 8500 64mb audio: mobo inbuilt (ct5880 me thinx), cpu: amd athlon xp1800 mobo: ga-7vxp memory: 256mb pc2100ddr hardisks: 80gig maxtor 7200rpm ata133, 6gig quantum ??, 16x liteon dvdrom and a 16x12x40x cyberdrive cdrw. Inside mycase it's jammpacked with ide cables which i believe would restrict air flow and increase heat and i have to run my cmos settings on fail-safe defaults else it crashes in gaming (even though it pretty much crashes ineveery other game cept cs on failsafe neway!). Perhaps u could advise to y my pc runs worse in cs then my friends does and his pc is technically shitter. I've formatted a billion times i'm going to do it once more after finishing cb and then i'll also defrag. Or instead of that mayb direct me to another pc hardware specific forum mayb! ;) thanx 4 nething as usual i'm very grateful 4 what i get

[manono]

Hi-

Well one thing's for sure, if you crash while gaming, then you'll sure as heck crash while encoding. There's very little you can do with a computer that's more CPU intensive than encoding. Can you monitor your temps while gaming or encoding? Most mobos come with some sort of temp monitoring software (or use Motherboard Monitor if you mobo is supported). And yes, if the insides of your computer are cluttered with cables, that might account for it. And you might try and tie them up with those plastic tie wraps and stick them to the sides. You need uninterrupted air flow from bottom front to top back. Do you have enough fans-an intake fan and an exhaust fan at least (in addition to the fan on the CPU and the vid card (I think)). Don't rely on the Power Supply fan to exaust all the hot air. You'll need a separate exhaust fan.

You might try and run Prime95 overnight to see if you come up with errors (which I'm sure you will). It's a torture test for CPUs. And maybe run some sort of memory tester as well. Unless you achieve complete system stability, you're going to be out of luck as far as encoding goes.

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the thing is it doesn't crash if i encode with nandub just gordion knot has bullshit error msgs when u do start encode (doesn't actually crash just gives me errors and does nothing). It only recently started happening again when i formatted everything was running fine in terms of encoding (perhaps i've crammed it full of too much stuff). To answer your question about the fans i only have the cpu fan (the 1 that came with it) gfx card fan (1 supplied) andi have another 1 that's not plugged in (i need an adapter) but when i get some money i'ma change my cpu fan gfx fan and add more fans and get that adapter i'm also gonna get those special rounded ide cables i've seen around. Also i can monitor my heat in cmos and my friend told me to get this program that apears to work it's called speedfan. The readings are as follows temp1:43c (i'm pretty sure this is case temp) temp2:65c (i'm pretty sure this is cpu) temp3:81c (i'm not sure what the hell this is!) hd1(80gig methinx):47c. The way i find out what things are is by comparing the details in cmos to speedfans the cmos 1's are pretty much the same i still don't know wtf the 81c is though perhaps it's my video card :( cos the fan on my video card looks pretty petty.

i've just done my second pass of cowboy bebop looks great but oversized. Everything in their is intact no dodgyness and it's full length the other1 was full length too just bad quality (300somthingmb). Unfortuanetly this 1 is 794mb instead of like 641mb