DIvX3 SBC fine tuning....

[DaXearo]

I'm trying to fine tune my DivX3 SBC settings.. So far I'm not 100% satisfied yet with my results...
Mainly I do PAL rips. (2CD rips with AC3 when movie is more than 1hr45, otherwise 1CD rips MP3 (--r3mix) )
640*272 -> 2.35:1 (16:9)
640*352 -> 1.85:1 (16:9)
(for both 1CD & 2CD rips)
I frameserve using AVISYNTH (.avs) to NANdub.
I do NOT (!) use ANY filter.
The problem is that I'm STILL getting artifacts/blocks/noise.. or what the h*ll you call it.
To clarify, I inserted a frame where you can see clearly the problem.
(U.S. Marshals - Frame with rather fast motion)

<< http://www.felix2000.easynet.be/DaXearo/stuff/US%20Marshals.jpg >>

- When you look at the guys face, the skin texture/color doesn't look natural (color 'distortion')
- In the background (eg. tree or whatever it is outside the trucks window) you can see a lot of 'blocks'
- The darker parts (eg. especially next to the guys ear) have some brighter color 'blocks' that shouldn't be there (or at least not that often)
- etc. ...

To compare it to a better looking frame (from another movbie BUT with the same length, resolution, 2cd, same audio settings (ac3), etc ...), I inserted a frame with also rather fast motion.

<< http://www.felix2000.easynet.be/DaXearo/stuff/Blade%202.png >>

In this frame you can see that the 'guys' head looks more 'natural' (OK, I know he aint human, but you know what I mean :)
Also the darker parts are clearly 'darker' then my frame of U.S. Marshals.
And OK, there ARE blocks/artifacts/.. BUT they are less noticable & MUCH better looking.
The overal image quality is also better looking and SHARPER than my encodes.

Here's also a sample of a .avs file:

LoadPlugin("E:\MPEG2Dec.dll")
mpeg2source("E:\USMARSHALS_DISC4_SIDEA_PAL\VIDEO_TS\USmarshals.d2v")
crop(1,0,719,576)
BilinearResize(640,352)

And here is my .vcf profile for 2CD rips:

VirtualDub.audio.SetSource(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetInterleave(1,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.audio.SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio.SetVolume();
VirtualDub.audio.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.audio2.SetSource(0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetInterleave(1,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.audio2.SetVolume();
VirtualDub.audio2.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetDivX(1150,10);
VirtualDub.video.SetQualityControl(2,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetMotionDetection(8,10,285,265);
VirtualDub.video.SetCrispness(30,0);
VirtualDub.video.SpaceKF(24);
VirtualDub.video.InternalSCD(96);
VirtualDub.video.SetMinKBPS(400);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveFile("");
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveMcFactor(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveCompression(25,25,3);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveFilter(270,2500);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveCredits(0,200);
VirtualDub.video.SetLumaCorrectionAmp(1,10,30);
VirtualDub.video.SetCurveRedist(0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsMain(2,6);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsA(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsB(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsC(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsD(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelsE(300,2,16);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompLevelK(2,4);
VirtualDub.video.SetBitsReservoir(0,45,40,90,45,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetLowBrCorrection(0,0);
VirtualDub.video.NoAVIOutput(0);
VirtualDub.video.GenStats("",1);
VirtualDub.video.SetEncodingControl("");
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Delete();

I played with SBC arround since it was introduced and I *NEVER* got the results I wanted (the rips you can get on the Internet look ALWAYS SO MUCH better (especially D V L rips)

So the question is: WHAT am I doing wrong ??
- Do I have to use some sort of vdub/avisynth filter? (!! note that I use a Pentium 2 400Mhz processor (so no SSE, SSE2, iSSE, 3Dnow!, etc ... !! And I'm not planning to buy a new one :)
- Trust me on this one: I played A LOT (!) with DRF settings etc... (I know in this profile they are all at 300,2 but changing them didn't do a thing (it even make the quality worse...)
- I'll *ALWAYS* stick to DivX3 SBC !! So don't tell me to use XviD :))

To end this rather long :P thread I would thank you all for the help you (hopefully) will give me :)

I hope to have some replies soon :)

Greetz,


DaXearo

[DaXearo]

Forgot to attach :)

[DaXearo]

Forgot it too :p

[-h]

Mainly I do PAL rips. (2CD rips with AC3 when movie is more than 1hr45, otherwise 1CD rips MP3 (--r3mix) )

You would get better audio quality with the alt-presets.

- I'll *ALWAYS* stick to DivX3 SBC !! So don't tell me to use XviD :))

That seems a bit stubborn, seeing as Nandub isn't giving you the results you want :)

-h

[DaXearo]

Well, I *know* that you can get very good results with SBC.
I say this, because I saw a *lot* of SBC rips that clearly beats XviD.
The XviD rips that I saw so far, don't impress me at *all* :)
And the part about --alt-preset , I'm currently doing some serious --r3mix VS. --alt-preset testing, so I haven't decided yet wich one I'll stick with :)

Thanks for you reply :)

[Koepi]

Stick with --remix as you stick with nandub:

inferior results, but if you like it that way... it's your decision!

[sid]

DaXearo its just fine to go with Nandub and --r3mix
Since XviD still doesnt beat divx3 nandub is the right choice. But i have to come back on one topic again and again quoted...every movie needs its own settings...there are some settings which can be used generally...but some have to be tweaked from movie to movie.

[iago]

[...] its just fine to go with Nandub and --r3mix
Since XviD still doesnt beat divx3 nandub is the right choice [...]

@sid

Have many XviD encodes have you done, if any? And also how many Nandub SBC encodes have you done? (Btw, I still use Nandub from time to time and I still like the results I get; but what I wonder is how you can conclude that it's better than XviD, and where this "guru" tone in your post comes from!) I don't like such arguments actually, but I just didn't like your style after the replies from -h and Koepi about the topic discussed.

regards,
iago

[sid]

you dont have to like it :)

[NeVeRLiFt]

I still use Nandub as it beats DivX5 for detail and sharpness. As for XviD... I have seen good and bad with it and I will leave it at that. Maybe someday it can replace Nandub, but right now I dont think it does. And thats just my opinion.


Here are two samples made using Nandub with my settings.
I will let the quality speak for itself.


28sec clip from 2cd LOTR-DVDrip
http://homey.dyndns.org/vid/incoming/NeVerLiFt/28sec%20clip%20from%202cd%20LOTR-DVDrip.avi


2min 18sec Matrix DVDrip 1cd sample (lobby scene)
http://homey.dyndns.org/vid/incoming/NeVerLiFt/Matrix%20DVDrip%201cd%20sample.avi

[Stabmaster-Arson]

Originally posted by Koepi
Stick with --remix as you stick with nandub:

inferior results, but if you like it that way... it's your decision!


Koepi, you are supposed to be a mod. Why are you trolling in the nandub forums?

[NeVeRLiFt]

:eek:
I fell out of my chair laughing!!
This is funny :D
Well I'm done with this post.... dont need my account closed no more, are banned... so take care all and koepi be nice.

[manono]

Stabmaster-Arson-

Koepi's a mod in this forum. And the last time I checked, anyone is allowed to post in any forum they wish. Even you. ;)

[iago]

Originally posted by Stabmaster-Arson
Koepi, you are supposed to be a mod. Why are you trolling in the nandub forums? @Koepi,

What are you doing man, trolling around in the forums, and upsetting nandub users?! LOL :D

Fantastic! I can't believe this! :D

iago

[Koepi]

Yes, that's really sweet - and clearly it's me who's trolling ;)

Nice laugh upon the old times!

Best regards,

cheers

Koepi

[AlphaDivxMovies]

Seems as Divx ;-) 3.11 and Nandub got themselfs some new attention!
A "new" update (RC3) of Nandub has been released and at New A/V development there is talk about making Divx 3.11 streams MP4 compatible. So i guess good old divx 3.11 has some kick yet.

[NeVeRLiFt]

Originally posted by AlphaDivxMovies
And at New A/V development there is talk about making Divx 3.11 streams MP4 compatible. So i guess good old divx 3.11 has some kick yet.

Any links?

I would like to read about this.

[hakko504]

@NeVeRLiFt

Here, in the XviD forum. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42253)

[NeVeRLiFt]

thanks

[Teegedeck]

Yep. Hopefully we won't have made our DivX;-)3.11 collections just for PC-viewing. Not sure, yet, but a slim chance is better than none. But it's the side-effect of a manufacturer's desire to sell more devices (and of -h's scientific curiosity), not a sign of a DivX;-)-revival...

It's so nice to see Koepi in his natural environment! :)

[AlphaDivxMovies]

Hey, let them sell all these low budget devices, the software will be free of use for everyone (at least i hope so), my 150 divx311 encodes are the best i have seen so far IMHO, changing to Xvid seems like the smart thing to do but i love the quality i can get out of SBC Divx3.11.I just hope that Ogg+XCD+Theora/Tarkin business gives out some pratical results. I like MCF or Matroska, but let`s face it, if i don`t have software implementations to test i will just use and support ogm.