Strange flicker between frames on SVCDs

[lelon]

On any SVCD I create with dvd2svcd, I get this flicker anytime there is a scene change or camera change. When I watch it frame by frame on my DVD player, sometimes I see the flicker between 2 frames, other times I'll see a frame that looks like the two images superimposed on each other and its like vibrating on the screen. I can see this when watching the Pulldown_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpg file using winDVD. I've read the FAQ/searched the forums and can't find anything. I've encoded numerous times trying all kinds of different encoder settings but nothing works. I have no problem watching other SVCDs only those I create myself. Here's an example log when I backed up Roshomon (all my dvds are NTSC)

WNASPI32.DLL 4.6.0.1021
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- 11/18/2002 11:44:25 AM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.1.0 build 1a
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 11/18/2002 11:44:27 AM
- Analyzing subtitles
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Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x20 Language: English

Executing subtitle selection/verification.
Subtitle selection/verification accepted.
1 subtitle streams selected.
Saving Subtitles ini file
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- 11/18/2002 11:44:31 AM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\VTS_02_1.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\VTS_02_2.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\VTS_02_3.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\VTS_02_4.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\VTS_02_5.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\VTS_02_6.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 11/18/2002 11:47:58 AM
- Free on drive C: 10184.83 mb
- Extracting the subtitles.
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Subtitle extraction finished. Extracted these subtitles:
SVCD Stream no: 1 Language: English Num. of subs: 397

Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
Permanent subtitles.
Saving Subtitles ini file
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- 11/18/2002 11:51:49 AM
- Free on drive C: 10158.70 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 612 ms
Audio extraction finished.

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- 11/18/2002 11:57:21 AM
- Free on drive C: 10018.26 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -ota( -d 612 ) -2lame( -e -b 224 -m s )
Audio conversion of C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 11/18/2002 12:06:31 PM
- Free on drive C: 9850.37 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
Permanent subtitles.

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 1667869728
AudioSectors: 150274488
VideoPAPO: 23508360
ScanOffsetBytes: 152152
SeqAligningBytes: 9670079
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 1.00
PureMPEGStream: 1484264640.93
Seconds: 5295.33
CalcMPEGStream: 1484264640.93
Frames: 126793
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 2
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 126793
Anti Noise Filter: 2
Passes: 4
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 2230
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 (No borders, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
BicubicResize(480,480,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,0,0,0)
AvisynthSubtitler("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\Subs\","permsubs.txt")
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 1.470
Video Encoding finished.

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- 11/18/2002 5:24:39 PM
- Free on drive C: 8202.47 mb
- Video Pulldown
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Executing Pulldown. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\Pulldown_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv"
Video pulldown finished.

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- 11/18/2002 5:28:32 PM
- Free on drive C: 6796.62 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 11/18/2002 5:28:34 PM
- Free on drive C: 6796.61 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 11/18/2002 5:28:36 PM
- Free on drive C: 6796.61 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 11/18/2002 5:28:38 PM
- Free on drive C: 6796.61 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2696 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 2698
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 11/18/2002 5:47:55 PM
- Free on drive C: 5213.46 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2698.800 seconds C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
2590.128 seconds C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 11/18/2002 5:50:01 PM
- Free on drive C: 5213.36 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 6

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\VCDXBU~1.XML"
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- 11/18/2002 5:53:49 PM
- Free on drive C: 5192.40 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 7

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\movies\rosh\VCDXBU~2.XML"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 11/18/2002 5:56:40 PM
- Free on drive C: 5172.50 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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[markrb]

Most Japanese Anime's need to be de-interlaced. This could be your problem. I am no expert on these movies since I have only ever converted one and it didn't need to be de-interlaced.
May I suggest you search on interlacing?

You may also want to try and force IVTC and see if that helps, but I really can't say.

While you are waiting you may also want to try and use SmartDeinterlace and see if that helps. You will find it on the conversion tab in the middle on the right side.

Mark

[lelon]

this problem is independant of my cowboy bebop issue (that's just more of an annoyance) this is with all movies I try. (the canidate, roshomo, and doctor who to name the ones i've tried)

[ux-3]

Could this be a problem of field order?

[lelon]

I'm not sure, I've tried using Bitrate viewer to set the correct field order and I've tried leaving it on Auto.

[ux-3]

Why don't you just give it a try. Encode one chapter cbr 2300 with field order A and one with field order B.