Current Anime Filter Recommendations?

[JohnMK]

I'll be encoding Simpsons Seasons 1 & 2 shortly (actually, reencoding) and need some good filter suggestions. Msmooth, warpsharp, etc. There appears to be no documentation I can find as to what actually warpsharp is, so I wouldn't know where to begin. Can anyone tell me what it is? Are there any other filters you'd recommend? Is mssmooth the primary filter of choice these days for anime?

I could go on with the questions, but I hope you catch my drift. I'm totally lost in this sea of filters, so I need someone else to tie it all together for me.

Thank you for your patience,

John

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

I'd start with C3D using the "animeHQ" preset.

[JohnMK]

Thanks for your suggestion. I've tried that, but I don't think convolution3d really is meant for anime. And in any event, convolution3d is rather slow, and the result was a only a very small increase in compressibility. Now, it certainly does no harm, but there are filters out there that do much more good for compressibility, at least I would hope.

What I'd like to do is turn the features of anime -- many duplicate frames, and wide swaths of supposedly-consistent color -- into my favor so I can enhance compressibility. And I still want to know what WarpSharp is. :D

John

[Zarxrax]

I use 2d cleaner with settings (radius 5, threshold 5) and temporal cleaner with threshold 5, and it works great. Been using this combination for over a year now, and haven't yet found anything that I prefer to it.

[JohnMK]

What's its effect on compressibility?

[Kaiousama]

I agree with the zarxrax option, 2dclean is still the best plugin for cleaning a bad source (or not perfect if you are optimist), for the temporal cleaning i'm testing the peach smoother and it's giving good results, others are de DNR and PicFix.
I'm very lost in valuating the dup plugin... everybody tells it's very good and raise down the filesize but in my test the filesize are almost the same if you don't want to have choppy playback in the zooming zones, what do you think about?

[serbersan]

In other thread MarcFD, talked very good about Cnr2 improving animve...

[WarpEnterprises]

What is your source and your destination format?

[JohnMK]

Mine? DVD. Clean source too. Relatively speaking. Simpsons. Region 1 NTSC.

[Marc FD]

>In other thread MarcFD, talked very good about Cnr2 improving animve...

for ANALOGIC (VHS/TV) sources !!
i'm working on a YV12 Cnr2 with fast chroma shifting option and scenechange detection.

[Metalazzo]

Originally posted by Marc FD
>In other thread MarcFD, talked very good about Cnr2 improving animve...

for ANALOGIC (VHS/TV) sources !!
i'm working on a YV12 Cnr2 with fast chroma shifting option and scenechange detection.

didn't you stop coding ? :(
another filter which never will be finished like it should be... :D

[Tri]

Recently, I have used something like this script:

MAM(SmoothHiQ(5,20,25,155,3).TemporalSmoother(2),SmoothHiQ(3,15,20,100,3))
warpsharp(depth=20)
crop(14,0,702,480)
BicubicResize(640,480,0,0.5)
Tweak(bright=-8)
reverse()
CopySame(1,32,32,4,4,1)
reverse()

It's rather slow but I think it looks nice...

[Marc FD]

>didn't you stop coding ?

yes i did, but i will do a anime VHS cap, and a need a very good chroma denoising, and Cnr is still the best for me. i just need to improve it.


>MAM(SmoothHiQ(5,20,25,155,3).TemporalSmoother(2),SmoothHiQ(3,15,20,100,3))

argh..

>reverse()
>CopySame(1,32,32,4,4,1)
>reverse()

double argh XD

[Tri]

Why 'argh'? :confused:

I wanted to smooth spatially when there is also temporally smoothed, or does this happen automatically?

OK, and I think I don't really need to reverse ;)

[jarthel]

I just used temporalsmoother(5) on all encodes. It's so fast on my setup. It has some smoothing effect and based on my observations with temporalsmoother + SSHiQ, I can't see any difference.

You shouldn't have any problem with Simpsons as they they don't use "shaded" or gradient colors.

I testing peachsmoother and grapesmoother. peach is almost as fast or faster than temporalsmoother. grape is faster than the two. My only concern is that peach and grape produces larger filesize with no discernable visual difference. :)

jayel

[LadyMiles]

Where do you get 2dcleaner and temporal cleaner or is it already built into avisynth ? And how do I use them

[jarthel]

temporalsmoother is built-in into mpeg2dec.dll. 2dcleaner has a avisynth port. download at this site -->> http://members.tripod.co.jp/kiraru2002/

jayel

[jarthel]

Originally posted by Tri
Why 'argh'? :confused:



I think Marc ISN'T recommending the use of MAM. :)

jayel

[JReiginsei]

I want to try Zarxrax settings 2d cleaner(radius 5, threshold 5) and temporal cleaner with threshold 5. I know how to use the threshold command but I don't know how to use the 2d cleaner since the documentation is in Japanese. Here is my script for an episode from the first season of Transformers, can someone help me with the 2d cleaner settings and also recommend a better script?

LoadPlugin("F:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("F:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("F:\DVDTools\_2DCleanYUY2_v0_9\_2DCleanYUY2.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\Divx\dvd\Transformers\TFM.d2v")
Telecide(Guide=1,Gthresh=75,Threshold=30,Chroma=true)
Decimate(5)
crop(10,0,701,478)
_2DCleanYUY2(0,5,0,0,2,5,4)
TemporalSmoother(5)
BilinearResize(512,384)

[JReiginsei]

I'm going to try this instead and report back the results

LoadPlugin("F:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("F:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\InverseTelecine\Wizard\IVTC.dll")
LoadPlugin("F:\DVDTools\_2DCleanYUY2_v0_9\_2DCleanYUY2.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\Divx\dvd\Transformers\TFM.d2v")
ivtc(44,11,95)
FieldDeinterlace()
crop(10,0,701,478)
_2DCleanYUY2(0,5,0,0,0,5,4)
TemporalSmoother(5)
BilinearResize(512,384)