CCE with Pulldown

[Andykard]

I used DVD2AVI and set forcefilm to get 23.97 rate.(NTSC R1 movie)
Encoded with CCE 2.64.01. So far so good.
Used pulldown (GUI version) checked off 29.97, and even for fields.
Then compiled the generated m2v with the ac3 file in maestro.
The resulting movie is great quality but way out of sync with the audio.
Any suggestions as to what should be checked in the pulldown gui settings when using forcefilm to get backto 29.97.
The initial movie was marked progressive, should I leave it progressive or does it become interlaced. This pulldown is so confusing.....

[Sp33d]

When I have a file that is forced file in DVD2AVI, I just use Pulldown.exe at a command prompt with all the default settings. I don't use any special switches and it always works fine.

[Andykard]

What do you actually type in at the command prompt, can you give me an example?
Thanks

[Doom9]

pulldown input.m2v output.m2v

where input.m2v is the file CCE encoded, and output.m2v will be the file that you import in Maestro.

[slk001]

When you used "FORCE FILM", you told DVD2AVI that your film was progressive. All this does is strip out the current pulldown flags in the progressive frames so when it is frameserved, only the progressive frames from the original film are "served".

What do you mean by "way out of sync"? Is it 4 frames, or 4 minutes out of sync? Is it the same throughout the whole movie? Did you apply pulldown correctly? There is an option in PULLDOWN that allows you to NOT update the timecodes for the framerate change - do NOT use this. For Maestro, you should use (either CL or GUI, it doesn't make any difference):

-framerate 29.97
-prog_frames p
-drop_frame true

Do NOT select "-prog_seq p" (the sequence is probably NOT progressive - just the frames).

You can use a utility called AC3-Delay to change the starting timecode in the .AC3 file to sync things up.

[Andykard]

Thanks Slk001

I deleted the files so cannot be exact, but even 2 or 3 mins into the movie the audio was out of sync by seconds. I was using pulldownbatchfe 1.0 and I only had 3 things checked off

framerate at 29.97 (I had used force film in DVD2AVI)
tff at even (it was bottom frame 1st movie)
prog_seq as progressive (?)

was this correct.

I now have the 1.1 beta version which has more options can you give me an example with the new gui which options should be checked off. Thanks for your informed help

[slk001]

I think I see your problem. Your original film was most probably a real TFF movie. How did you determine that it was BFF? If you used Bitrate Viewer, it only checks the flags once during its decoding and if you checked the first .VOB, you most likely checked the various warnings and headers there (which are ususally interlaced and vary as to TFF and BFF). HINT: Always check the second or third .VOB with BRV to get the "true" nature of your video.

But, if I'm wrong here, check these values in the PD GUI:

-framerate 29.97
-prog_frames p
-drop_frame true

If you also checked "-prog_seq p" as you state, this will screw up your video royally - so you will virtually NEVER check this one.

Try these and report back.

[Andykard]

Thanks again. I did use BRV on the 2nd and 3rd vob, I've read the warnings in previous threads not to use the 1st vob, but you seem to have pointed me to my problem, I had checked off prog_seq instead of prog_frames (and as you put it, screwed up my video royally).
I will use the settings you suggest for the next one I do, I already redid this movie with TMPG and no force film and therefore no pulldown and it came out perfect (it just takes so much longer).
Thanks again for your imput, I'm determined to get the CCE/pulldown combo to work for me.