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mikeson

1st November 2002, 12:56

@DSPGuru:

Greetings,

Thanks for releasing new versions of BeSweet, you're doing great job! :)

But I have some things I want to discuss.

1. Why is not possible using normal gain (like in v1.4)? BeSweet 1.53 gives me always hybridgain. Here is the log:

BeSweet v1.5b3 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.8 (b825) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Ogg Vorbis v1.0 dlls (http://www.vorbis.com).

Logging start : 11/01/02 , 11:11:08.

BeSweet -core( -input i:\Matrix AC3 T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -103ms.ac3 -output e:\DivX\Matrix (DS2 -q 6.00).ogg -logfilea e:\DivX\Matrix (DS2 -q 6.00).log ) -azid( -z1 -b1 -c normal -L -3db -F wav32 -s surround2 ) -ota( -d -103 -g max ) -ogg( -q 6.00 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : i:\Matrix AC3 T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -103ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: e:\DivX\Matrix (DS2 -q 6.00).ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:-103] | Overall Track Gain: 5.632dB
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:-103] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:-103] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby Surround 2 compatible
[00:00:00:-103] | Total Gain: 10.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:-103] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:-103] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Dialog normalization: -4dB
[00:00:00:-103] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:-103] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:-103] | VBR Quality : 0.600
[00:00:00:-103] +---------------------
[02:10:41:337] Gain of 5.6dB had been asserted to file.
[02:10:41:337] Conversion Completed !
[02:10:41:337] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 165kbps
[01:17:33:000] <-- Transcoding Duration
Logging ends : 11/01/02 , 12:28:41.

You can see total azid's gain 10db, dialog normalization and post gain, but I wanted only -ota pre gain. :confused: Am I doing something wrong? I have used the same settings as I use with v1.4.

2. -ota( -hybridgain ) is heavy clipped as you can see from attached picture (I can hear heavy clipping in these parts). Using 1.2.9 in_vorbis for Winamp 2.81 and OggDS 0.9.9.5. Here is the log:

BeSweet v1.5b2 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.8 (b825) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Ogg Vorbis v1.0 dlls (http://www.vorbis.com).
Using ReHuff.dll v0.14 by Segher Boessenkool (segher@chello.nl).

Logging start : 11/01/02 , 02:57:15.

BeSweet -core( -input i:\Matrix AC3 T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -103ms.ac3 -output e:\DivX\Matrix (DS2 -q 6.00).ogg -logfilea e:\DivX\Matrix (DS2 -q 6.00).log ) -azid( -z1 -b1 -c normal -L -3db -F wav32 -s surround2 ) -ota( -d -103 -hybridgain ) -ogg( -rehuff -q 6.00 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : i:\Matrix AC3 T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -103ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: e:\DivX\Matrix (DS2 -q 6.00).ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:-103] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:-103] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby Surround 2 compatible
[00:00:00:-103] | Total Gain: 10.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:-103] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:-103] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Dialog normalization: -4dB
[00:00:00:-103] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:-103] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:-103] | VBR Quality : 0.600
[00:00:00:-103] +---------------------
[02:10:41:337] Gain of 15.6dB had been asserted to file.
[02:10:41:337] Two-Pass huffman saved extra 1.5% filespace.
[02:10:41:337] Conversion Completed !
[02:10:41:337] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 158kbps
[00:39:37:000] <-- Transcoding Duration
Logging ends : 11/01/02 , 03:36:52.

3. Just currious. Why have you removed rehuff support in v1.53b.

Thank you

DSPguru

1st November 2002, 16:42

Originally posted by mikeson
1. Why is not possible using normal gain (like in v1.4)? BeSweet 1.53 gives me always hybridgain. don't know.
here's my own log :BeSweet v1.5b3 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.8 (b825) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Jul 11 2002 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 11/01/02 , 12:36:01.

E:\ac3tomp3\BeSweet.exe -core( -input e:\ac3tomp3\inputs\audio.ac3 -output e:\ac3tomp3\test.ogg -logfile E:\AC3TOMP3\BeSweet.log ) -azid( -z1 -b1 -c normal -L -3db -F wav32 -s surround2 ) -ota( -d -103 -g max ) -ogg( -q 6.00 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : e:\ac3tomp3\inputs\audio.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: e:\ac3tomp3\test.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:-103] | Overall Track Gain: 5.611dB
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:-103] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:-103] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby Surround 2 compatible
[00:00:00:-103] | Total Gain: 10.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:-103] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:-103] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Dialog normalization: -4dB
[00:00:00:-103] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:-103] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:-103] | VBR Quality : 0.600
[00:00:00:-103] +---------------------
[00:00:21:913] Gain of 5.6dB had been asserted to file.
[00:00:21:913] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:21:913] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 185kbps
[00:00:10:000] <-- Transcoding Duration
Logging ends : 11/01/02 , 12:36:11.

2. -ota( -hybridgain ) is heavy clipped as you can see from attached picture (I can hear heavy clipping in these parts). Using 1.2.9 in_vorbis for Winamp 2.81 and OggDS 0.9.9.5. Here is the log:comparing v1.5b2 with v1.5b3 logfile i conclude there's a problem with Surround2 when PostGain ignores the PreGain value (15.6 instead of 5.6).

3. Just currious. Why have you removed rehuff support in v1.53b.Segher, author of rehuff asked me to remove it.
he says this feature is currently only in experimental stage, and should be a part of ogg/vorbis only when finished.

thank you for paying my attention to Surround2+HybridGain situation.

mikeson

1st November 2002, 16:57

@DSPGuru:

BeSweet v1.5b3 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.8 (b825) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using libVorbis.dll v1.0 ( Jul 11 2002 ) by John33 (www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00).

Logging start : 11/01/02 , 12:36:01.

E:\ac3tomp3\BeSweet.exe -core( -input e:\ac3tomp3\inputs\audio.ac3 -output e:\ac3tomp3\test.ogg -logfile E:\AC3TOMP3\BeSweet.log ) -azid( -z1 -b1 -c normal -L -3db -F wav32 -s surround2 ) -ota( -d -103 -g max ) -ogg( -q 6.00 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : e:\ac3tomp3\inputs\audio.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: e:\ac3tomp3\test.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:-103] | Overall Track Gain: 5.611dB
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:-103] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:-103] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby Surround 2 compatible
[00:00:00:-103] | Total Gain: 10.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:-103] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:-103] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Dialog normalization: -4dB
[00:00:00:-103] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:-103] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:-103] | VBR Quality : 0.600
[00:00:00:-103] +---------------------
[00:00:21:913] Gain of 5.6dB had been asserted to file.
[00:00:21:913] Conversion Completed !
[00:00:21:913] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 185kbps
[00:00:10:000] <-- Transcoding Duration
Logging ends : 11/01/02 , 12:36:11.

Just wondering why BeSweet use hybridgain (azid's gain 10db, dialog normalization and post gain) when you've not specified it. :confused: -ota( -g max ) means pre gain, doesn't it? So why is used hybridgain if you (and me) haven't specified it?? It should be something like that, am I right?

BeSweet v1.4 by DSPguru.
--------------------------
Using azid.dll v1.8 (b825) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Ogg Vorbis v1.0 dlls (http://www.vorbis.com).
Using ReHuff.dll v0.13 by Segher Boessenkool (segher@chello.nl).

Logging start : 09/30/02 , 13:49:55.

BeSweet -core( -input j:\Matrix AC3 T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -103ms.ac3 -output e:\DivX\Matrix (DS2 -q 6.00).ogg -logfilea e:\DivX\Matrix (DS2 -q 6.00).log ) -azid( -z1 -b1 -c normal -L -3db -F wav32 -s surround2 ) -ota( -d -103 -g max ) -ogg( --two-pass -q 6.00 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : j:\Matrix AC3 T01 3_2ch 384Kbps DELAY -103ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: e:\DivX\Matrix (DS2 -q 6.00).ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:-103] | Overall Track Gain: 11.632dB
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:-103] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 384kbps
[00:00:00:-103] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby Surround 2 compatible
[00:00:00:-103] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:-103] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:-103] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:-103] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:-103] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:-103] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:-103] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:-103] | VBR Quality : 0.600
[00:00:00:-103] +---------------------
[02:10:41:337] Two-Pass huffman encoding had been used.
[02:10:41:337] Conversion Completed !
[02:10:41:337] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 163kbps
[00:35:33:000] <-- Transcoding Duration
Logging ends : 09/30/02 , 14:25:28.

Thank you for your time

DSPguru

1st November 2002, 18:21

Originally posted by mikeson
Just wondering why BeSweet use hybridgain (azid's gain 10db, dialog normalization and post gain) when you've not specified it. :confused: -ota( -g max ) means pre gain, doesn't it? So why is used hybridgain if you (and me) haven't specified it?? It should be something like that, am I right?you're right!
retry with beta4 :).

Stampede

7th November 2002, 04:45

Hi, I've been using BeSweet for some time now. Excellent program btw :) However I see some switches I'm not familiar with in the BeSweet v1.4 example above.

-azid( -F wav32 ), according to the AZID Readme v1.8 the only possible values are wav, wav24, wav_float, pcm, pcm32, pcm_float.

-ogg( --two-pass -q 6.00 ), according to BeSweet 1.4 ogg.txt it lists -rehuff instead of --two-pass. Also for quality-based encoding shouldn't this be between 0 and 1 like 0.600?

Is there somewhere I can find a more complete list of switches for these programs?

DSPguru

7th November 2002, 20:28

Hi Stampede,
Originally posted by Stampede
-azid( -F wav32 ), according to the AZID Readme v1.8 the only possible values are wav, wav24, wav_float, pcm, pcm32, pcm_float.http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35144&perpage=5&pagenumber=4

-ogg( --two-pass -q 6.00 ), according to BeSweet 1.4 ogg.txt it lists -rehuff instead of --two-pass.correct. further more, as you could read above (http://www.xiph.org/archives/vorbis-dev/200211/0015.html), in v1.5, this feature was removed. Also for quality-based encoding shouldn't this be between 0 and 1 like 0.600?http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27588

Is there somewhere I can find a more complete list of switches for these programs? i believe my published documents includes everything.
also, please follow some links in my signature and use this forum's search engine, as avobe elaborates - there's a lot you can learn from old posts :).

hubereevez

9th November 2002, 00:57

Sorry for the intrusion, I use hybridgain and stereo --> silent ogg too....

********************************************************************
H:\dvd\progs\vorbis\BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\ENCODAGE\Alice\alice AC3 T01 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3 -output D:\ENCODAGE\Alice\alice AC3 T01 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.ogg -logfilea H:\dvd\progs\vorbis\BeSweet.log ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -s stereo ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -ogg( -rehuff -q 0.100 ) -profile( The OggMachine v0.6b1 )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\ENCODAGE\Alice\alice AC3 T01 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\ENCODAGE\Alice\alice AC3 T01 2_0ch 192Kbps DELAY 0ms.ogg
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:000] | Input Channels Mode: 2/0, Bitrate: 192kbps
[00:00:00:000] | Output Stereo mode: Stereo
[00:00:00:000] | Total Gain: 0.000dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:000] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:000] | Center mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Surround mix level: BSI
[00:00:00:000] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:000] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- OGG --------
[00:00:00:000] | VBR Quality : 0.100
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[01:41:54:816] Gain of 5.6dB had been asserted to file.
[01:41:54:816] Two-Pass huffman saved extra 5.0% filespace.
[01:41:54:816] Conversion Completed !
[01:41:54:816] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 65kbps
[00:18:34:000] <-- Transcoding Duration
Logging ends : 11/09/02 , 00:40:32.
*********************************************************************

The same occured with surround2, sorry but i didn't understood what you meaned, what should I use if I will hybridgain...
Which settings crash?
The thing is I can have a non silent wav with oggdec (vorbistool from vorbis.com),........???????????????????
Thanks for yor job mon Gourou :)
PS: wondering why hybridgain doesn't work with batchmode under besweet gui. I'm trying to encode 8 ac3 (.lst files failed) but profile inserted in besweetgui does't seen to be read....
*********************************************************************
Oggmachine_profile=-azid( -n1 -L -3db -c normal -s surround2 ) -ota( -hybridgain ) -ogg( -q 0.100 )
*********************************************************************

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