Possible??? SVCD on DVD-R

[Predatore]

Is it possible to create SVCD's on a DVD-R and play it on a standalone DVD ???
Would be really great cause I'm going to buy a DVD Burner soon ...

Thx a lot in advance :)

[ronnylov]

If you want fully compliant DVD then you have to reencode video to a valid DVD resolution (352x576/480, 704x576/480 or 720x576/480) and the audio must have 48 kHz sampling frequency (PCM, ac3 or mp2). The SVCD standard use 44.1 kHz mp2 audio and 480x576/480 video.

Some standalone players can play a DVD with SVCD resolution (480x576/480) if you trick the authoring program. Check the "Format Conversion Guides" and "(S)VCD to DVD-R Guide" on the doom9 guides. It fully explains how to do it step by step. But be aware that these discs may work on your player if you are lucky but it may not work on other players.

One alternative is to make non-standard SVCD which is "DVD-compatible". If you make SVCD with 352 pixels width instead of 480 pixels and use 48 kHz audio instead of 44 kHz then all you have to do when moving them to DVD is demuxing and reauthor it as DVD. Just be sure that you use DVD compliant GOP settings (max 15 GOP length for PAL, max 18 for NTSC). But when you get the DVD-burner you probably want to reencode everything from the original source with full DVD-resolution...

EDIT: Spelling

[Predatore]

Thx a lot Bro ^^

I'm gonna check it out as soon as the burner is here ....

[davepyne]

why not just burn a DVD with your new burner. with a DVD burner there's never any need for any sort of encoding stuff. just rip, and burn. the only thing yo have to do is split some of the bigger movies into 2 discs (or maybe just cut out some extras, and/or audio streams).
this way you get perfect DVD quality, and pretty good compatability with stand-alones (and PS2's)too.

[htc10825]

@davepyne
what you said is the theme of another forum.
The question here was how to make a dvd out of the old svcd collections. We only have now the svcd-rip of dvds. Not the DVDs (e.g. defect/distroyed by children or missing by friends.
You can get the best out of old things when you do not reencode the video, i.e. patch head and only new author it.

[davepyne]

sorry, guys. i guess i misunderstood predator's Q. i thought he meant burn a movie from a DVD, not from a SVCD backup.
-Dave

[poopity poop]

I think you all misunderstood his question:

Yes a DVD is just a very large CD..you can do whtaever the hell you want with it...if you want to make it into an SVCD, whatever...just make the SVCD compliant images, and burn them onto a DVD. Again.. a DVD is just a very large CD...so...what can one do with a very large CD:

Burn 4 movies in SVCD format onto them: yes

[ronnylov]

Originally posted by Predatore
Is it possible to create SVCD's on a DVD-R and play it on a standalone DVD ???
Would be really great cause I'm going to buy a DVD Burner soon ...

Thx a lot in advance :)

@Poopity poop
You have misunderstood. He want to be able to play it on a standalone player on a DVD-R. Standalone players does not support SVCD-images on DVD-R, they only play DVD-Video on DVD-R. You must author it as a DVD-Video disc to make the player recognize disc.

[htc10825]

@poopity poop
I'm sure those "extra large SVCDs" on DVDs will not be played on PC correctly, either!
Generally a DVD use another file sytem than a CD. I doubt if you can burd the "mode 2 - form 2" sectors, which (s)vcd use, on a dvd! No knowing dvd autoring/burning software support that.
If you burn only the the mpeg2 file onto dvd without the svcd typical disk structure but with the dvd typical "UDF" format, you have just made a "dvd-r with mpeg2 system streams". It is not a "extra large SVCDs"! The OS will treat it like a dvd-rom, not svcd, nor dvd. It will not be played by WinDVD/PDVD in disk mode. In file mode (that can be played) you'll not have the svcd typical feathers like 2 stereo audio tracks(or up to 4 mono) and switchable subtitles. Also the menu/chapters are not available.
Only one thing leaves behind: please tell us if you have burned such a monster, or it is just a crazy idea?

[oddjob]

Originally posted by htc10825
@poopity poop
I'm sure those "extra large SVCDs" on DVDs will not be played on PC correctly, either! It will not be played by WinDVD/PDVD in disk mode. In file mode (that can be played) you'll not have the svcd typical feathers like 2 stereo audio tracks(or up to 4 mono) and switchable subtitles. Also the menu/chapters are not available.


I don't know about the multiple audio tracks nor the subtitles but I can confirm that PwDVD does play the dvd-disc with the svcd structure on it automatically in disc mode, but my standalone dvd-player does not!

[htc10825]

I see that was your first post in Doom9´s forum ever. Do you sure what you say? If yes, how did you author your svcd-dvd(which software to author and which to burn), what files were on the specific dvd? What doyou mean "in disk mode"?

[oddjob]

Yes, as a matter of fact that was my first post here (not that it does matter really!). If I'm sure of my observations? Yes, pretty sure! What I did was use Nero to author a big SVCD-project (~2Gb) and I saved it as an image (.nrg), then I used Nero's own Image Drive utility to mount the file... Then I just copied the whole catalog structure together with all the files into a DVD-project and burnt it (UDF) with Nero on a DVD-R.

The thing is that the image was a "Mode2 SVCD" and what I created was a "DATA-DVD-ROM" in UDF which worked to just insert in my DVD-ROM on my computer and PwDVD just autoplayed it (In disc mode, and not media files mode, capisch?). My guess is that PwDVD only cares about the catalog structure...!?

But, as I've already stated, this didn't work with my standalone player (cheap Yamakawa) but perhaps could work with another brand maybe?

[adam]

poopity poop a DVD is most certainly not just a large cd. If that were true than all DVD players would play mini-dvd. Virtually all dvd players check both the type of media as well as the file structure (UDF vs. Mode 2 etc..)and then load the appropriate playback software. If everything were interchangeable then there would be no need for standards.

If you burn a "SVCD" on a blank DVD than the vast majority of hardware dvd players will not be able to play it. Perhaps some software dvd players will still play it but that doesnt really say much since software players can be extremely leniant. I don't know about you but a dvd that can't be played on a dvd player seems pretty silly.

As others have already stated, the best way is to rewrite the header and author as a non-compliant DVD. If your dvd player doesnt play it then transcode it to 352x480 and resample the audio to 48kHz to make it dvd compliant.

[poopity poop]

well I beleive you, but I don't have to like it :)

That stinks. I want to be able to squeeze like 2-3 movies on a DVD, but you can't do that at 720x480 with good quality. You say 352x480 is a DVD standard....yeah just saw that at vcdhelp. That would yeild decent quality @ like 3000Kbps average, which would be good

[Konze]

Did i get this right: the only solution to create a "Monster" svcd on a dvd-r medium ist to do something similar as described in the "(S)VCD to DVD-R Guide"?
But what if my collection of old (S)VCDs consist of files with different resolutions? do i have to reencode them to have the same res?
Isnt there a solution where i can just select my couple of mpg files, click and get them burned as some kind of non Standard compliant DVD?
I reallly dont want to code to long with that. I think about just burn them as data DVD, that should be possible anyway.

Greets Konze

[adam]

Konze demultiplex and then remultiplex as a DVD compliant mpg. Then author as a non-standard dvd. It may or may not play on your dvd player.

If it doesnt play then the best option is to transode it to compliant dvd settings.

[Konze]

I heared of the Program Maestro, makes it the Procedure easier?

Greets Konze

[htc10825]

I heared of the Program Maestro, makes it the Procedure easier?We should not discuss about the things of other forum("DVD-Authoring") too much.I reallly dont want to code to long with that. I think about just burn them as data DVD, that should be possible anyway.oddjob has posted a method to do that so you can get PowerDVD autoplay it. Even though no one else has verified that method(perhaps anyone else think it is absurd to burn a DVD-R which cannt be played back in DVD player) but you can try it at your own risk. Also your other questions are anwsered by the earlier posts of this thread.

[Konze]

One question is still open to me: If i have three vcd and/or svcd Films with different resolutions each with two discs of 500-700MB in size and want to burn them on a DVD. Is it possible to follow the guide for that but not to do the step of merging the files? Because i could imagine that this causes troubles, if the segments are not of the same resolution. In that case i cannot patch them back.. And i dont want one monster track, i want the possibiility to select the different films. Is this possible in Spruceup? To patch the files back and then add them seperately to the Project?

Thank you, greets Konze

[htc10825]

merge files in diff. resolutions together is a bad idea. Generally it should be possible to put diff. tiltes(VTS_01_x.VOB, VTS_02_x.VOB ...), which have diff. but DVD-compliant resolutions, on a DVD in the DVD-Authoring software. But not within a title(VTS_01_1.VOB, VTS_01_2.VOB ...). Btw.: in VCD/SVCD are tracks, in DVD are titles.
For more info of a particular software plz visit the dvd-authoring forum.

[Konze]

Thank you! Il experiment a little bit!

Ciao Konze