DVD2SVCD and KWAG Templates

[Funil99]

I'm testing the new beta release for the DVD2SVCD, and this release has many mods, then I think that now is possible to implement the KWAG templates to use with TMPGENC to achieve the 120 minutes in one CD and others MPEG1 templates.

The point is to use the subtitles facility found in DVD2SVCD.

For the people that needs subtitle ( like me ), this will be great because with the tmpgenc the only way to obtain the subs is to frameserve from DVDX via plugins and this don't work all times...

Anyone has some ideas to integrate the KWAG templates in DVD2SVCD ?

Funil99

[UltimateDBZ]

I'm not taking sides in the matter, but from what I've read, alot of users don't like KWAG's templates. Therefore I doubt that they would be integrated.

[dvd2svcd]

@Funil99: I think you're better of ask Kwag himself instead of here. The reason being that Kwag´also uses dvd2svcd (or rather he did until he switched to CQ_VBR). I think the dvd2svcd beta version has the possibilities to support his new templates. No matter what, Kwag does put some time and effort into the things he does. I know there's a lot who opposes the templates but I have seen just as many who likes them. I don't have an opinion on them.

[Funil99]

Ok, both dvd2svcd and UltimateDBZ are right in many ways, but....

I myself have using CCE, TMPGEnc, many templates, DVD2SVCD, Flask, Nero, VCDEASY, Maestro, etc.... and now I'm asking for simplify all this jobs...

But for sure you two peoples don't need subtitles, or you will be like me trying all the solutions... maybe you two have DVD with dual or tree disk capacity, (just joking, but really both of you like to rise from the sofa and goes to the DVD player to change 2 or tree disks to see an entire movie ???? ) - to me, this is the point....

But my opinion is as follows :

1 - I'm a simple people just trying to make copy of the movies to see in my house with my family. And my kids and wife can't understand English... I'm not a purist searching for the best way, but yes the most simple, fast and acceptable way to make the films.

2 - For sure, DVD2SVCD really have the best quality, but the time of film I can put in one disk is very small.
With the Kwag templates and TMPGEnc, I can put 2 hours of film in one disk, whit an great quality, and only one expert can really see the diference in an TV set of 37" at 5 meters of distance.

3 - With Kwag templates, my computer can make an complete conversion in 2 a 3 hours, and can make even a batch to make 2 or 3 films in a night.

4 - I have an Pioneer DVD writer, but the cost of quality DVD media in Brasil is very high, in order of 6 dollars each. And even with Maestro, I have the same problem with subtitles, and I use today DVD2SVCD to make this job... and it really make an beaultiful job. But again the price of media sucks....

dvd2svcd, you are right making yourself a neutral people, and making the support for the 2 encoders, this way we can make MPEG1 and MPEG2 VCDs, SVCDs, and DVDs.... but you can make a pool asking for people that are living in other country and making copy of films about the importance of easy subtitle features, and the facility to put 2 hours in ONE disk, and you will be amazing with the result...

Anyway, I thank you for your job, and for sure will make an donation to you keep going this great utility that is DVD2SVCD.

In the same time, I will ask to Kwag to make an template to simplify the integration with your program.

And if I can ask one thing to you : please try encode and see one film with the Kwag's 120 minutes in ONE disk template, put it in your normal TV Set, and see some minutes.
Then think about all I had told above....

Keep the good job !

Funil99

( yes, I know , my English is very bad..... )

[dvd2svcd]

Originally posted by Funil99
But for sure you two peoples don't need subtitles, or you will be like me trying all the solutions... maybe you two have DVD with dual or tree disk capacity, (just joking, but really both of you like to rise from the sofa and goes to the DVD player to change 2 or tree disks to see an entire movie ) - to me, this is the point....Yes, I use subtitles in each and every svcd I make (except when the movie is danish), and yes, I do get up from my comfy sofa once or twice as needed to switch CD.

Please explain you're above post as I don't quite get it. To me it seems you're advertising Kwag's templates, don't do that there's absolutely no reason for you to do that.

[UltimateDBZ]

Personally, I would much rather have Quantity & Quality, over having neither. If I didn't mind quality, and wanted 1 movie per CD, then I'd be just as good off downloading the movie in DivX (though I wouldn't do that anyway, for obvious legal reasons). Soon, all movies I back up will be directly to DVD anyway, so switching discs won't be an issue for much longer.

But for the time being, I much prefer getting up a few times through the movie and swapping discs, over not enjoying the movie at all, and paying more attention to blocks and static than the actual movie. And no, I don't have a muli-disc player, nor do I have a need for one. Most of the time switching discs is a good opportunity to go get another Pepsi or another bag of popcorn anyway :D

[Funil99]

dvd2svcd :

Sorry if my comments seems like advertising... this wasn't my intention !

You are right in maintain comments like mine away from the forum.

I remember many discutions in the past with others users about who had the best templates, not only in this forum, and really was a waste of time for all.

I will maintain my mounth closed from now....

Thank you for your support, but I have seen others templates integrated in your program, and I was curious why others templates with much more users aren't included.

If you have another solution to put 2 or more hours in one disk with very good quality, please tell us about, ok ?

Sure, I'll love an solution using the CCE and MEPG2 too...

I'm open to try others solutions too, and maybe many others users can help in making tests.

Again, sorry by my comments, and go ahead !

Funil99

[Funil99]

UltimateDBZ -

Hehehe I like the Pepsi part....

But with 2 childrens, when I go to kitchen and return, I must cleaning the disks that the childrens had used to put an cup above it, or arremessed to my dog, or even worst.... for many times I lost the disks in strange ways like this....
Now you see why I need to make less disk... this is a survive quest !


Funil99


:D

[Funil99]

Bach -

Only for curiosity, at wich distance you assist your Sony Trinitron ?

I can´t see ( better - I wish not to see ! ) the diference at 6 meters from my RCA 37" set ( but I know that if I want to find with critical eyes, I will find allways ), and I make one test with all friends in my house : I put one SVCD or even a good VCD, and tell to all people that IS A DVD. The surprising fact: until now, all of them believe that are a DVD. Well, they are not experts in vídeo, nor I´m too. If my kids and wife enjoy the video, is all fine to me.

It´s right that DVD-R is the final solution, but today is the worst solution in Brasil because the high cost of the media... I,m not a rich man hehehehehe; today one generic DVD-R media is about 6 dollars and one good generic CD-R media is at 0,4 dollars.

Until now, I convert more than 200 films, imagine US$6 x 200 !!!!

You suggested me to use the tomsmocomp avisynth plugin.
I don´t know nothing about it, where I can find it, and if you can tell me some advices will be fantastic.

Funil99

[kwag]

Well, I guess I just had to post some reply here, and clear up some misguidances.
Some people say that below 1,000Kbps. mpeg video is crap, joke, etc. Then for some people, they still would like to put their 2 hour movies on a single CD-R, for convenience. So anyone reading this: Would you call this: http://ns1.shidima.com/kwag/greenmile-lbr.mpg crap? Considering that this sample is an actual cut from the complete encoded movie, which is 180 minutes??? I agree that it's still 352x240 VCD resolution, but I would say this sample is far cry from a joke or bad quality, as it is VERY watchable. Not to mention that the average bit rate is only 473Kbps
So just imagine what you get if the movie is only 2 hours. Of course, using the file prediction formula to encode in CQ mode, and maximize quality and file size.

-kwag

[dvd2svcd]

Originally posted by Funil99
I'm testing the new beta release for the DVD2SVCD, and this release has many mods, then I think that now is possible to implement the KWAG templates to use with TMPGENC to achieve the 120 minutes in one CD and others MPEG1 templates.

The point is to use the subtitles facility found in DVD2SVCD.

For the people that needs subtitle ( like me ), this will be great because with the tmpgenc the only way to obtain the subs is to frameserve from DVDX via plugins and this don't work all times...

Anyone has some ideas to integrate the KWAG templates in DVD2SVCD ?

Funil99 Ok, that's the original question in mind. Kwag can you answer the guys question (constructively please), as I feel you're the one to do that.


@Kwag and Bach: You've both been after each other before, and nothing good comes from that. You are entitled to each your opinion and both have been expressed here. So leave it there. If the posts from either of you (anybody actually) is either advertising (so and so good) or unconstructive (flaming) the posts will be edited or deleted.

Have a nice day ;)

[kwag]

@DVD2SVCD,

Answering the question above. The easiest way, and the most beneficial to everyone, would be to add the KVCD Q. Matrix to the list in DVD2SVCD. That is, the one used on the PLUS templates, which is this:

Intra19_0=8 16 19 22 26 27 29 34
Intra19_1=16 19 22 26 27 29 34 37
Intra19_2=19 22 26 27 29 34 37 38
Intra19_3=22 26 27 31 36 37 38 40
Intra19_4=26 27 29 36 39 38 40 48
Intra19_5=27 29 34 37 38 40 48 58
Intra19_6=29 34 37 38 40 48 58 69
Intra19_7=34 37 38 40 48 58 69 79
NonIntra19_0=16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30
NonIntra19_1=18 20 22 24 26 28 30 32
NonIntra19_2=20 22 24 26 28 30 32 34
NonIntra19_3=22 24 26 30 32 32 34 36
NonIntra19_4=24 26 28 32 34 34 36 38
NonIntra19_5=26 28 30 32 34 36 38 40
NonIntra19_6=28 30 32 34 36 38 42 42
NonIntra19_7=30 32 34 36 38 40 42 44


This way users can select the one they want. As for the GOP, that can be selected in DVD2SVCD, so users can select 1,48,3,1,0, ( The GOP on the PLUS templates ) or 1,15,2,1,15 ( The GOP on the LBR ).

That would be it!.

Regards,
-kwag

[Funil99]

Bach - mais um brasileiro escondido aqui eim ????

Quanto à Trinitron, sem dúvida que é MUITO melhor, mas também é MUITO mais caro !!!!!

Quanto à distância, eu apenas sigo normas internacionais de radiação eletromagnética, não me custa nada, é melhor prevenir né ????

E quanto aos DVD-R's , os bons ainda custam uma nota, já se consegue achar uns meio esquisitos, escritos nele "formosa", mas eu tentei gravar em 2x com o meu firmware crackeado para desbloquear o Pionner A04, e o resultado foi realmente uma verdadeira "queima" de mídia.

Porisso que eu só tenho comprado Maxell, que queima 2x numa boa.

Quando chegar aí na cidade ensolarada ( Rio ? ) as famosas mídias, me avise, ok ? Se eu vir aqui em Sampa, eu te aviso.

Um abraço, e desculpe se eu parecí estar fazendo propaganda pró ou contra qualquer pessoa, pois pelo que entendi do ultimo reply do DVD2SVCD, a coisa pode esquentar e piorar, me desculpemm se eu fui o culpado, ok ?

Um abraço, e vamos aguardar as novidades.

Funil99

[Funil99]

DVD2SVCD -

I understand your reply, sorry by all this mess...

I see the Kwag's post, and he forgot about VBV. But about the matrix, is possible to include in any .ini files ?

Funil99

[Holomatrix]

Originally posted by Bach


@ interlaced encoders:
I suggest you all to try to deinterlace with tomsmocomp avisynth plugin and encode the movie saving a lot of bits. It can make miracles and is indeed fast. You can try also smoothdeinterlacer plugin, which is a bit slower than tomsmocomp.

Sorry, but do mean, try this deinterlace filter even with a progressive NTSC DVD?

[Holomatrix]

Yeah, that's what I thought but wasn't sure if you were trying to say that this filter had some nice smoothing or sharpening side effects that would make any type of encoded look a little better, interlaced or progressive. Oh, well