Any R1 discs have the Dolby Digital Rain Trailer?

[brett]

OK, this is a bit OT, but this seems to best place to put it. There has to be someone around here who likes sticking Dolby trailers on the front of their DVD rips :)

All the places that have downloadable Dolby Digital trailers link to www.dvd.com.pl, which doesn't seem to exist anymore.

I'm trying to find the Rain trailer, but nothing seems to have it. As a matter of fact, the only Dolby trailers I've managed to find are Aurora at the beginning of Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition, and the Egypt trailer at the beginning of the original La Femme Nikita. I really like the rain one, but I've only seen it in theaters.

I've found several reviews of R4 discs on the web that list the trailer as a feature, but I own a few and the R1 version does not. I even went and rented some that were supposed to have it, but they didn't. My only real option I can think of is spending $20 to order the Dolby demo disc, then wait a few weeks for it to be delivered.

I'm sure that somewhere there has to be a R1 disc I could just go rent that has the Rain trailer, if I just knew which one. Does anybody know of a DVD with it? Or does anybody have a good link to download the 20M VOB from the Dolby demo disc? The best information I've been able to find on the web is that the 2nd disc of The Abyss has it, but not the whole thing (seems odd, as all of it is only 34 sec).

Also, what's the best way to stick one of these on the front of a movie? It seems like the most convenient way would be to make the trailer chapter 1, but it would be nice to retain the original chapter numbers. I think I'd like to make the trailer a separate title that plays when the disc is loaded, then just have the end of it take you to the main title. It doesn't sound like something that would be hard to do in Maestro, but I haven't really tried yet... Does that sound like the best thing to do? Actually, I think I'd rather just have the first 34 sec of chapter 1 be the trailer.

[TRILIGHT]

Not sure where you could get it. As for your authoring question though, all you would have to do is make that clip the disc's First Play option. Have the playback jump to the main title (or main menu) whenever the clip has finished playing.

[nlphillips]

There is a web site "out-there" that has a shed-load of DD, THX & DTS trailers (in VOB format) available for download.

Not sure about the legality of the site though so I'm not going to post a link to it without a Moderator saying it's ok to do so first. :cool:

[TRILIGHT]

Probably not the best idea, nlphillips. ;) I appreciate you having the courtesy to ask first though. Feel free to let them know what terms to search for such that the site will come up in a search index. No actual posting of the link though. Thanks!

[kheops]

hi,

just have to search "cinenow" on google (1st reply)
then trailers is on the left

hope i'm doing well trilight

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[nlphillips]

Kheops, that's the same site that I was on about :)

[brett]

Thanks guys... All the searches I'd done had been for "rain trailer" all together, but it doesn't appear like that on that site.

[brett]

Although those are all PAL ... Anybody know an R1 DVD or site that has the NTSC one?

[auenf]

i dont know many R1 specific review sites, but michaeldvd.com.au is possibly one of the biggest (and best?) R4 review sites, and by using google and the Site: command, i did a search for rain trailer on the site:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=rain+trailer+site%3A.michaeldvd.com.au

altho most of those are PAL movies (as R4 is in australia), it might be a good idea to use the google Site: command on a R1 review site that reports all the extras (inc audio trailer thingys), or check the R1 versions of the dvds mentioned on michaeldvd's site.

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[mpucoder]

Well, this isn't a cheap way, but DVD Demystified 2nd ed. NTSC (region free) demo disk has 9 Dolby Digital trailers, including "rain". The book and disk cost $50, but you get a lot of good info, and demos of everything.

[brett]

Originally posted by auenf
i dont know many R1 specific review sites, but michaeldvd.com.au is possibly one of the biggest (and best?) R4 review sites, and by using google and the Site: command, i did a search for rain trailer on the site:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=rain+trailer+site%3A.michaeldvd.com.au


Yeah, that site is one of the only things I found that seemed promising. I checked 6 different DVD's that the site said had the Rain trailer, but none of the R1 versions had it.

[auenf]

thats a pity, guess you need to find a good R1 review site, or 'borrow' a R4 disc with it on ;)

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[SlaRty]

You can get it from ftp://ftp.andypaul.com...... :) I found it on a web site that for the life of me I have not been able to find again...:mad: I will keep looking and post if I find it.

[kheops]

hi,

i have the rain dolby trailer (in ntsc format)
the one on the ftp site, is it pal or ntsc ? (just have a look in dvd2avi)

thanks :)

[mickrick]

Edited By Mickrick

There is a new magazine out in the UK called Widescreen and it has a free dvd that includes the DD Rain, Train, Aurora, Canyon, Egypt and City trailers.

[mpucoder]

The original question was about DVDs that contain the trailer, not websites. As you know, rule #6 prohibits discussions involving warez, so if the thread doesn't return to the subject, it will be closed for violating that rule.

[brett]

@mpucoder:

How is a Dolby trailer warez? Legal sites have trailers all the time. Apple themselves posts trailers for almost every movie. They take the trailers and distribute them to try and get people do use QuickTime, which of course is nag-ware that they want to get paid for. Apple is taking free trailers and trying to make money off them, but still nobody is telling them that is illegal.

Distributing a Dolby trailer is not illegal. Dolby does not ask for payment for people using the trailers. There are demo DVD's which contain the trailers, and these DVD's aren't free (even the one from Dolby isn't free), but the cost is simply to cover the production of that disc -- you are not paying for the trailers themselves. Dolby does not ask for royalties when a trailer is put on a movie. To the contrary, they see it as free advertising when it is put on a DVD. I was a projectionist for a few years, and my girlfriend has worked at the central office for a chain of theaters for 10+ years. Dolby sends out their trailers just like any other trailer. They are free to put on whatever you like, and if a theater operator calls and asks, Dolby will send them more.

Now, back on the topic, I've found a number of sites which have the PAL version of the Rain trailer, and apparently many Australian DVD's have it, too, but I can't find any source for the NTSC one, which is why I started this thread.

[brett]

OK, looks like SlaRty's FTP and Cinenow's site both actually have the NTSC version. I guess I'm just an idiot.

I had downloaded the VOB and played it in Media Player, and it shows it as 720x540 (which isn't the correct resolution if you just want fix the aspect of a 4:3 NTSC source), so I thought it was PAL. I demux'd it with VOBrator and dropped it into Maestro and it works fine, though.

Thanks for the help everybody.

[auenf]

Originally posted by brett
There are demo DVD's which contain the trailers, and these DVD's aren't free (even the one from Dolby isn't free), but the cost is simply to cover the production of that disc -- you are not paying for the trailers themselves.

thats weird, i thought it only cost au$1/disc (in qty of 2000) to press a DVD-5 with 5 colour disc art?

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[Swede]

How is a Dolby trailer warez? Legal sites have trailers all the time. I asked Dolby and this is their reply:
You are correct. Our copyrighted trailers cannot be legally redistributed
without our express permission.

Best regards,

Info@dolby
This should be enough for all.

[brett]

Originally posted by auenf

thats weird, i thought it only cost au$1/disc (in qty of 2000) to press a DVD-5 with 5 colour disc art?
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No need to be a smartass. Are you implying that the cost to produce a DVD is limited only to the price of pressing a disc? That's obviously not true.

My point was that the people who make the demo discs are NOT paying Dolby to use the trailers. People who make DVD's that contain Dolby trailers are NOT paying Dolby to use the trailers, either... just like theaters do NOT pay Dolby for the rights to show a trailer at the beginning of a movie.

Swede:

That still doesn't make a Dolby trailer "warez." With the exception of the demo discs that have been mentioned, Dolby trailers are not being sold in stores. They are being given away for free by Dolby. If, however, you ask Dolby, "Hey, can I put your trailers on my pirated DVD's?" they'll obviously say no.

The Dolby trailer is just like any other trailer or commercial. Of course it's copyrighted, but it's something they WANT you to see, and it's NOT something they get paid for. You don't have to start debating fair use to figure out that there's nothing wrong with having a million copies of a trailer. The gray area is when you start asking, "Why do you want it? What are you going to do with it?" That's why they say you should have permission, but by the same token, every baseball game says you need permission to tape it to watch later. They can NOT legally demand you get their permission for that kind of thing. If you don't have permission, there's nothing they can do about it. I'm sure Dolby would love it if you needed their permission to use the restroom, but legally there is very little they can do. It's more of a disclaimer. If Dolby cared, wouldn't they send cease and desist emails out to the major sites hosting VOB's of their trailers? Big companies do that all the time to try and scare people, even if they don't have a leg to stand on legally.

This forum is great, and I can appreciate people trying hard to cover their ass, but when you've got three moderators grouping trailers with warez, that's a little silly. Yes, there are certain things you have to be careful about when most of the forum is discussing the use of multiple expensive software packages that they may or may not legally own. Downloading a Dolby trailer, though, isn't something you need to worry about unless you're also discussing some sort of blatant misuse of the trailer.

Listen to yourselves. By your logic, we should no longer be able to post a link to www.apple.com, because www.apple.com/trailers is a warez site!

[mpucoder]

That is a ridiculous argument. Apple is the copyright holder of the trailers they offer for download. As the copyright owner they have determined that anyone can have the trailers. Dolby Labs, on the other hand, does not offer the Dolby trailers on their website, and have answered our request for clarification by stating that those sites distributing the trailers are infringing on their copyright.
That is what a copyright grants, the right to determine who may distribute the copyrighted material.

Maybe we are being overly cautious about covering our asses, but this board is still here, while others have perished. And in a grey area, where search engines will get you the info you seek, why take the risk?

[auenf]

Originally posted by brett
If Dolby cared, wouldn't they send cease and desist emails out to the major sites hosting VOB's of their trailers? Big companies do that all the time to try and scare people, even if they don't have a leg to stand on legally.

so its just a coincidence that all the DD and DTS trailer vobs for download on digital-digest.com are currently down? or maybe the host got a scare from somewhere?

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[brett]

@mpucoder: I doubt Apple has all the rights. I guess it's a matter of semantics, since Apple owns QuickTime and the various studios own the source material, but say you re-encoded one of their trailers to an AVI, I would assume Apple would be completely taken out of the loop.

@auenf: The trailers on digital-digest.com were hosted on some no-name external site (the TLD was .pl as I recall), which has been down a long time. The other site referred to in this thread is most certainly not trying to distribute warez. They are very up-front and just hosting the trailers as a courtesy. I'm sure they'd take them down immediately if Dolby asked.

ANYWAY...

I wasn't looking to start an argument. As I said, I can certainly respect Doom9's (and the moderator's) need to be extra careful. If you don't want to post links to trailers, I'm not in any position to tell you you're in the wrong, especially when you have a statement from Dolby.

I still think, though, that it's harsh to call trailers "warez," as warez generally refers to blatant piracy. A person (like me) who owns a Dolby 5.1 movie and wants to add a little something to their backup isn't looking to break the law. If someone would've found a Region 1 disc with the trailer, I wouldn't have needed to get into this whole gray area in the first place :)

[Swede]

Well, now that we all (more or less :)) agree let's end this debate and go on with our lives. Any new posts here should relate to the original question: Also, what's the best way to stick one of these on the front of a movie?*Passes the peacepipe*

[brett]

And, on that topic...

I stuck the Dolby & THX trailers on Terminator 2 as separate titles. That seemed like the best way to do it, to have the Dolby trailer play, then have its end action play the THX trailer, then have the THX trailer's end action play the main feature.

There are a few annoying things about doing it this way, though. If you don't setup the next/previous connections, then you can't skip out of the trailers (although you can fastforward). If you do setup the next/previous connections, the DVD player won't display the chapter while playing, just what title you're on.

So, I would suggest that people either:

1) Make trailers separate titles (separate VOB's), and don't setup the next/previous connections, but when you're authoring, add a 2nd chapter at the end of the trailer. That way you can skip forward to the end of the trailer if you want, then you will immediately be dropped into the main title.

2) Make trailers part of the first chapter. This means you have to adjust your chapter points (using the offset feature in ChapterXtractor) to compensate for the length of the trailer, and you have to make sure you use AC3 Delay Corrector's End-delay feature if the trailer audio isn't the exact same length as the video.

[auenf]

the way its done with a few discs is to have the trailers as a separate PGC, which saves you from having to create a whole new VTS, im not sure about the ff/rew/next/prev with PGC's tho, altho i think most dvds disable them on the trailers when they are thrown in front of the movie?

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