Bit rate to high?

[hellobob]

I posted this message in the basic area but know one was able to answer so I am posting here.

I am having a problem with a choppy picture when I play my backed up DVD's on my stanalone player. From reading it seem that my bitrate is two hi so I used a bitrate viewer to determine my max bitrate.

Using CCE & DVD2SVCD with the default settings I encoded a movie, which resulted in a max bitrate of 3159 and an average bitrate of 1946.

I re-did the movie by with the following settings:
MIN: 600
MAX: 2500
MAX AVE: 1600.

With these setting the peak bit rate was 3083 and the ave was 1882.

How can I limit the max bitrate as the setting in the encoding tab don't seem to work?

Thanks.

Here is the log.



Key found: EE73433CAF
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- 10/9/2002 11:37:24 PM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.0.9 build 3
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 10/9/2002 11:37:30 PM
- Free on drive e: 24140.34 mb
- Internal rip
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Preparing vobfiles to be ripped:
- I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob
- I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
- I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.vob

Ripping: I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.vob
Ripping: I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.vob
Ripping: I:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.vob
Ripping finished. Speed: 10823

Trying to eject the DVD
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- 10/9/2002 11:42:22 PM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[e:\dvd rips\inner space\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[e:\dvd rips\inner space\VTS_01_1.vob,e:\dvd rips\inner space\VTS_01_2.vob,e:\dvd rips\inner space\VTS_01_3.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 10/9/2002 11:44:38 PM
- Free on drive e: 21159.38 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x81
Filename: e:\dvd rips\inner space\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Audio extraction finished.

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- 10/9/2002 11:47:01 PM
- Free on drive e: 20903.72 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Converting Audio to MP2. Filename: e:\dvd rips\inner space\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "e:\dvd rips\inner space\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "e:\DVDRIP~1\INNERS~1\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "e:\DVDRIP~1\INNERS~1\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 160 -m s )
Audio conversion of e:\dvd rips\inner space\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 10/9/2002 11:56:59 PM
- Free on drive e: 20797.13 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp
Converting: e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 10/9/2002 11:57:10 PM
- Free on drive e: 20796.06 mb
- Video Encoding using TMPGEnc
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- Encoding e:\dvd rips\inner space\TitlePicture.bmp.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"E:\Program Files\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "e:\dvd rips\inner space\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding e:\dvd rips\inner space\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"E:\Program Files\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "e:\dvd rips\inner space\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding e:\dvd rips\inner space\AviSynth_Script_file.avs
StreamSectors: 1539589576
AudioSectors: 113343804
VideoPAPO: 22093308
ScanOffsetBytes: 120505
SeqAligningBytes: 7658737
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 600.00
PureMPEGStream: 1396373214.60
Seconds: 5591.50
CalcMPEGStream: 1396373214.60
Frames: 133894
CDSize: 740.00
Cut point 735.00
Aspect Ratio: 16:9 (borders added, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("e:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\SIMPLE~1\SIMPLE~1.DLL")
LoadPlugin("e:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\mpeg2dec.dll")
mpeg2source("e:\DVDRIP~1\INNERS~1\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
SimpleResize(480,360)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
----AVS End----

Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"E:\Program Files\TMPGEnc\TMPGEnc.exe" "e:\dvd rips\inner space\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

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- 10/10/2002 11:33:26 AM
- Free on drive e: 19730.88 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "e:\dvd rips\inner space\TitlePicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 10/10/2002 11:33:32 AM
- Free on drive e: 19730.78 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "e:\dvd rips\inner space\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 10/10/2002 11:33:37 AM
- Free on drive e: 19730.72 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 735 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "e:\dvd rips\inner space\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of e:\dvd rips\inner space\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3429 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 3431
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 735 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "e:\dvd rips\inner space\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 10/10/2002 11:43:07 AM
- Free on drive e: 18532.88 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: e:\dvd rips\inner space\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3431.880 seconds e:\dvd rips\inner space\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: e:\dvd rips\inner space\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
2153.640 seconds e:\dvd rips\inner space\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 10/10/2002 11:43:57 AM
- Free on drive e: 18532.84 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 19

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="e:\dvd rips\inner space\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="e:\dvd rips\inner space\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "e:\dvd rips\inner space\VCDXBuild_Script_1.xml"
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- 10/10/2002 11:45:50 AM
- Free on drive e: 17787.28 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 10

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"e:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="e:\dvd rips\inner space\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="e:\dvd rips\inner space\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "e:\dvd rips\inner space\VCDXBuild_Script_2.xml"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 10/10/2002 11:47:05 AM
- Free on drive e: 17317.19 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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[markrb]

This definately belongs in the basic area. All problems belong here. There are actually fewer people that read the advanced forum.

It is known that CCE and TMPG do not always stay withing the bitrate boundaries set.
Some people also feel that Bitrate viewer isn't always accurate either. I have no opinion my self on that one.
First make sure there are no known problems with your player by checking the DVD list at www.vcdhelp.com

After that continue to drop your max bitrate until it works for you.

I would suggest doing a few test chapters at 2000 MAX on a CDRW disc and if that works continue to raise it 100 points until it starts to fail. Make sure the test chapters include areas you are having problems with.


Mark

[layer3maniac]

On a related note, I tried the bitrate settings that you use Mark and got a warning screen. Are you able to replay those high bitrate encodes on a standalone dvd player?

[markrb]

Every DVD player is different and each plays at it's own level. The warning means you are going outside the SVCD standard and can be shut off by simply unchecking the warn check box on the bitrate tab.

My Apex player is somewhat unique in that it will play incredibly high bitrates. Check your player at www.vcdhelp.com and see what others have found it capable of playing.
My Pioneer won't go much above 2500.

Don't go by my settings as you must encode for your player, not what others are doing on their players, unless they have the exact same player of course.

Best way I found to find the upper limit of a player is to encode a chapter using CBR and a CDRW at various bitrates, keeping the audio at the highest you ever plan to use(usually 224) and see where you start getting problems. CBR will insure that the bitrate is at it's highest all the time. Listen for problems in the audio. This is where you tend to find problems first, but not always.

Mark

[chainsaw135]

Markrb and i both have the same dvd player its the apex 5131 and its able to play very hight bitrates outside the svcd specs as mark stated tho not all dvd players are able to do this and checking vcdhelp or doing chapter tests is something i would do in finding the solution.