Maestro & multi pgcs

[Bear263]

Yohudi, is there any way around this?

Last night I ripped each episode seperately and they all came up with 13ms. I know that if i create 8 different movies in maestro, the audio will be in sync. But can't figure out how to get the playlists worked out. Can't seem to make one playlist with 8 different movies.

Thinking of taking all the episodes and inserting them on the movie 1 timeline. One after the other. But what about the audio? Would I put each track on it's own audio line and then match it up to each episode and pray that it all sync's up?

Thanks for the help. I usually try to figure it out and read before I post. Which is why I don't post much. But this one I'd like to get right.

Bear

[Yohudi]

Assemble all the clips in one track on the time line

righclick in the audio track and select create sync audio from the popup.. this will allow you to specify which ac3 belogs with each clip

[Yohudi]

Originally posted by Sargondvd
Is there a guide on using vobedit for the striping PGCs, cells , or is it very straight foward.

Am i correct in saying that most new releases seems to be Multi-PGC's now days.

regards

Derrow has some guides up.. as he's the program author i believe

Alot but not all of the new titles are multi-pgc... it's not a new thing btw... multi-pgc adult titles have been on release since 2000

[Bear263]

Originally posted by Yohudi
Assemble all the clips in one track on the time line

righclick in the audio track and select create sync audio from the popup.. this will allow you to specify which ac3 belogs with each clip

When I do this, the audio is in sync but can not import chapters from the multipgc-maestro.chp. It gives me a chapter point postion is invalid since it will violate the minimum allowable chapter length.

Must I add each chapter by hand? Or is there a way to select all the clips to have it appear as one clip?

Thanks

[Yohudi]

The chaps can usually be manually tweaked to values which will work...

the import prob is probably due to timecode resetting in each clip or something like that... there's an easy way to get them all as one clip

put them in order on the maestro timeline... delete project menus and don't bother with audio etc... save and compole... then demux (vobedit) to get the joined m2v.....

[Bear263]

Thanks for the info. I figured it out this morning. I just selected all the clips and told maestro to export movie. What it did was combined them all into one .m2v. Then I just imported that .m2v and it worked.

Thanks again.

[jdobbs]

@Bear263,

There are a lot of chapters that are separated by a few frames. This happens a lot when a PGC has a chapter point at the very beginning and end. You will see that there is often only 12 frames between the end/begin point (between PGCs). If the I Frames for the two points don't match exactly, the points may fall too close together (e.g. within a single PGC) and Maestro won't import one of them.

[Bear263]

@jdobbs

I figured that was the problem but couldn't figure a way (other than manually setting chapter points) around it. The way I did it worked like a charm.

Fixing to try disc 2 of M.A.S.H. season 2

Thanks again for the help.

Bear

[Scoobydeux]

My first attempt at this failed.... Perhaps this is why...

Maestro did indeed not accept the final chapter from my CHP file, so I created one manually. It wouldn't let me create it at the right time: 2:05:05:09 and the latest it would let me go to was 2:05:02:28. When you say manually create this chapter, is it acceptable to bump this chapter back to the last "maestro acceptable" location, or do I need to add some "black space" at the end so the last chapter can be in the right position?

The disk I made played fine on several PC's, but would not even RECOGNIZE as a DVD in several standalones, did not know if this could be the error....

Scoobydeux

[jdobbs]

@Scoobydeux,

In my experience the only time I've ever created a set that ran on a PC but not on a standalone it was because I forgot to do "Correct VTS Sectors". Try copying the DVD you burned to your hard drive, and run IFOUpdates "Correct VTS Sectors" against an IFO in that directory -- if it makes any changes this was definitely the cause.

It's okay to back the time up a couple of seconds... that's exactly what I do. Usually that last chapter is only there so you can hit the "Next" button to get to the end and still hit the post commands.

[Yohudi]

There's a good little trick for getting away with "illegal" chapters as you describe in maestro.. as long as there's even a tiny bit of m2v after the chapter point you enter

say the siruation is exactly the same.. i.e last chap point failed to import + manual entry of the value fails..

put a second instance of the m2v in the same track... at the end.. now enter the chap value as close to the end of the 1st instance of m2v. now delete the 2nd instance you put on the timeline... the chapter point shoud remain where you entered it...

works great for me..

[Bear263]

Well I tried M.A.S.H. Disc 2 and the same audio sync problem occured.

Question: When using dvd2avi it runs film 99% until the end. Then it changes to ntsc 1% as it stops. Could that be the problem? I use force film in dvd2avi as it is 99% or better.

Thanks
Bear

[jdobbs]

No. You should use force film. How many PGCs does it have? Sometimes you will find a single PGC in the stream somewhere that has not sound on the track you have select and it throws everything off.

[Scoobydeux]

Thanks, Yohudi, that's a great tip! Always nice to know ways to fool the programs..

Thanks also, Jdobbs. I did multiple get VTS sectors prior to burning, just to make sure that was good as well. No such luck. I think I'll just start again from scratch, and see if I dorked up an IFO file somewhere along the line.....

[Bear263]

Originally posted by jdobbs
No. You should use force film. How many PGCs does it have? Sometimes you will find a single PGC in the stream somewhere that has not sound on the track you have select and it throws everything off.

That's what I thought jdobbs. Thanks for the reassurance I was doing it right. The dvd has 8 PGCs all in vts_03.vob 1-8. As stated in an earlier post, it all sync's up if I do them individually. Just thought I'd try it again.

Bear

[Yohudi]

A Scenarist user at another forum made a remark that got me thinking and then (successfully) testing something in maestro.

The remark was in relation to ultra-short (12 frames) cell content. He said that Scenarist asks "What type of Still" on load/Import of these segments...

So I though what If i just substitute a still for this type of PGC content... the handy thing about stills in maestro is that they can be arbitrarily re-sized in terms of length.. and you can use the same still multiple times... v useful if you need to enter multiple tiny chapters..

Anyway.. tried it and it's beautiful to behold.. just used a 720x576 black still for PAL and 720x480 for NTSC.. hasn't failed me yet...

[Xayd]

jdobbs, great guide first of all, thanks a ton for it. I had all but given up on being able to recreate the Band of Brothers DVDs with their multiple PGCs that are often in odd orders as far as the video streams go, but this guide worked like a champ on the first one.

Sorry for bumping this old post, but there's something I noticed with Maestro and that first BoB disc, though, that you might want to note in the final guide, is that Maestro does not display chapter start/end times in the playlists very logically when used in this fashion.

I spent a couple hours trying to find the default setting I was missing that was causing Maestro to default the chapters in each playlist to the beginning of the video stream, when in fact Maestro was displaying the times relative to the current playlist, not the total stream. I was thinking (and had a couple of people agreeing with me that I asked about it when they looked at the situation) that Maestro simply would not let you start Playlist 1 at anything other than Chapter 1, 00:00:00:00, when in fact Maestro was doing what I told it to do, just not displaying the time the way I thought it should since it was showing me the time on each chapter relative to the beginning of the playlist instead of the beginning of everything.

In the end it all works fine, so it doesn't really matter, but you might wanna note that with a screenshot in the final guide.

[jdobbs]

@Yohudi

I just read your post for the first time (where have I been?) -- Whoa!! You just solved a problem I've been struggling with for a week. The extras in "Unfaithful" had several (4) sequences transposed on a single stream that all ended with a transfer to a 12 cell frame at the end of the sequence. It had four entry points whose times all were greater than the video's. IT WAS A STILL!

Thanks.

@Xayd

Thanks.

[whaqatac]

This is the same problem I have been having with the 'I am Sam' PAL DVD. The extras all refer back to a 12 frame still at the beginning of the VOB file.

Does the new version of IFOUpdate resolve this issue now?

[jdobbs]

Not yet. I'll see what I can do.

[whaqatac]

Jdobbs, Thank you.

After a week of trying to resolve the issue in reauthoring the seamless branching extras in my 'I am Sam' Pal DVD, your program has done it.

The problem I had was that each of the chapter files refers back to a 12 cell still at the beginning of the section but reauthoring the VOBs and running through the new adjusted mode in IFOUpdate worked perfectly.

Thank you very much for the help and guidance that you have given and the work that you have been putting into IFOUpdate.

[rkorkie]

Hey guys, I am obviously missing a very fundamental piece of information regarding multi-pgc authoring using Maestro. I am doing the Band of Brothers disc 1. Normally I am the type of guy to strip out everything and leave one video and audio track per movie, and drop the rest and author it. However, given that there are 2 episodes per disk, I thought it would be a good idea to follow jdobbs' maestro multi-pgc guide. Then things fell apart...

I extracted all the files using dvd decrypter, and then I generated my .d2v file, and then put that through CCE. Well, I am not sure if I was supposed to author each PGC into it's own .mpv file, or if I was supposed to transcode the entire film into one .mpv (which is what I did). Needless to say, I used Maestro, only had one timeline with one video asset and one audio dts asset. I imported the IFOUpdate generated multi-pgc .chp file and authored. When I did my file IFOUPdate "Update IFO" command, I got the error "Only 1 source PGC file found. Can't use Maestro mode. Aborting.".

Obviously I did something wrong. Reading all the posts I possibly can, I keep reading about creating multiple playlists. Well, from what I see in Maestro, I only see one timeline, and nothing that is specifically called playlists, or even the option the create multiple playlists. So basically my question is simple: what did I do wrong that I only ended up with one .mpv file and not able to author to multi-pgc? What my problem not creating 2 .mpv files or was I supposed to somehow create multiple playlists in Maestro...

Confused...

Ryan

[jdobbs]

Right click where it says "Movie1" in the Project Tree. You will see an option to create playlists. Then doubleclick on the resulting playlist...

You may also want to consider using "Adjusted Mode" authoring... It's a little easier.

[rkorkie]

Great, thanx for that. Everything worked like a champ. The only concern I sorta had is that when dragging JUST the DTS track onto the audio line, it didn't "auto-align" itself like ac3 tracks do. So I sorta had to do it by hand, but the sound seems in sync. I watch carefully and maybe there is a delay, but dvd2avi said it only had a 1ms delay.

So the question is, is there anything particular I should know about dragging a DTS track onto the timeline?

[Jafco]

In maestro, I've found that if you drag the dts audio onto the timeline, it doesn't "pop" it to the left. So, to get it lined up with "0" time, I drag it on the timeline, and then drag it to the left, past "0" time, and then it "pops" it back to zero.

Did any of that make sense?

[rkorkie]

yes, that made perfect sense and it did indeed work. Thanx for that!! Everything seems great! Viva la DeCSS.

[gas0378]

Thanks for the info