Finally we could make this happen : Vorbis 5.1 + XviD = 1CD

[ookzDVD]

After the latest Tobias's Ogg DS filter 0.993 remap the 5.1 channel,
now we could make this happen :
Vorbis 5.1 + Xvid (640x...) = 1CD (700Mb)

I just try the "Changing Lanes", it's 98 minutes. ;)

Using DSPGuru's BeSweet (with postgain) and latest XviD Koepi's build,
the quality is superb!

[tiki4]

@ookzDVD:

Excuse me,

this combination didn't play for me because the 6 channel produced no sound. So what did you do exactly? We were discussing this in the OggDS thread. How did you encode your sound?

Regards,

tiki4

[Nemesis7]

ookzDVD, can u put a sample somewhere?
Coz I just think DivX 5.02 is better. I'm very curious how it looks like.

Peace.

[iago]

Originally posted by Nemesis7
Coz I just think DivX 5.02 is better...@Nemesis7

What's that (DivX5.02) got to do with the topic?!

iago

[NeVeRLiFt]

@iago

I think he wants to compare the quality.... maybe he thinks DivX 5.02 Pro produces better quality?

[iago]

@NeVeRLiFt

Well, actually I hate going into such pointless discussions, but I couldn't help saying a few words when I read your posts. Also, I well remember your arguments in the nandub forum a while ago, where you claimed to do wonderful 1cd rips with your "interesting" 1cd profile. From that time on, I had already decided not to take you seriously just like many other people, but certainly you seem to continue with your old habits without even one step of improvement. So...

1. Go use what codec and what "interesting" profiles you like with your perfect rips.
2. Your posts don't help a bit in XviD development and lacks respect to the great effort being put all around here on XviD development.
3. I also use(d) nandub-sbc many times to achive good results, though my profiles were far different from your "interesting" one you are so much bragging about, but still the sbc results were absolutely inferior compared to my XviD rips.
4. These are my last words about this meaningless argument, which means I won't reply any more to your posts here, hoping you learn to talk and play nice when it comes to XviD matters, which absolutely is discussed in a serious forum and requires some manners first before writing to it.

bye bye,
iago@NeVeRLiFt

As I see, you'll never stop "troll"ing around and providing everyone with nothing more than annoyance. Remember this reply in a thread in XviD forum, which was closed because of your never-ending, pointless disturbance?!

iago

EDIT: ookzDVD and everyone: sorry for interfering.

[MaTTeR]

I don't understand why you would want to use Vorbis 5.1 in it's latest incarnation though:confused:

Maybe I'm missing something here but aren't all the channels at full bitrate still? What Q level are you transcoding your AC3 with? Just curious.

[tiki4]

@MaTTer:

Good question. Yes, it's true that all six channels are still at full bitrate, but that may change in the future (I hope so). Nevertheless, I'm from a non-English speaking country and I always like to keep the English soundtrack as well as the German. Now: 2x AC3 in AVI isn't an option. AC3 + MP3 in AVI seems impossible to cut without losing some seconds of the VBR MP3 soundtrack (thanks AVI). AC3 with Vorbis in OGM, even worse as AC3 is always played (maybe because of the strange AVIForm pin that the iviaudio.ax connects to). How about 5.1 Vorbis + 2.0 Vorbis in one OGM. O.K., this makes still some trouble but it seems most likely to me that this may get fixed by Tobias soon. 5.1 Vorbis with quality 0.3 (or 3 with other encoders than BeSweet) is a lillte smaller than original AC3 and doesn't sound too much worse than the original soundtrack to my ears. Of course I'd very much like to keep the original AC3 and a 2.0 Vorbis track, but please see above.

Regards,

tiki4

[Rrrough]

Just finished transcoding TombRaider AC3. Used Q 0,08 and the resulting file is with its 150 MB half the size of the AC3. Yesterday I transcoded it to WMA 5.1 @ 128 k which came out about 89 megs but by direct comparison, the WMA file was insulting my ears with metallic-sounding artifacts while Vorbis performed nicely...
OK, not a fair comparison, I will try WMA at a higher bitrate.
As tiki mentioned, there are some reasons for transcoding. And with Vorbis doing multi-channel-coupling (whenever that may be) it's worth it, I think.

just my 2 € cents...

[MaTTeR]

Don't get me wrong guys, I also love using Vorbis for all my 2 channel transcoding needs. However for multi-channel I would much rather use AC3Machine or SoftEncode to transcode my original AC3(448kbps) to a lower bitrate(256kbps) in order to fit it on 1 XCD. I hope Monty and the rest of the crew gets "true" channel coupling implemented in Vorbis soon, the bitrate savings could be excellent!

[Rrrough]

@matter :
no getting you wrong... we are all free people with free opinions.
concerning transcoding : we all know it means losing quality. do you think AC3 performs better than Vorbis @ low bitrates ?
Too bad that there's no DTS decoding as of yet, because transcoding from DTS would give even better quality. and too bad that there's no DPL / DPL II decoding, even more so as there are more and more DVD's coming with DD Surround Ex (e.g. LOTR).
Enough ramblings for now, let's wait for the multi-channel-coupling...

cheers

[MaTTeR]

@Rrrough

No, most certainly I would say Vorbis performs much better at low bitrates. AC3 has too much of a cutoff for my ears when going below 256kbps;) Using AC3 I still get the luxury of SPDIF and not having to use the analog ports on the sound card though...until "multi-channel coupling" comes along anyway.

I'm with you man, if there was anyway to mux a DTS track into an Ogg, MCF or AVI then I would be ever so happy. We can rip the files AFAIK but muxing is the issue right now. I've yet to hear any format close to sounding better than a nice DTS track off of a SuperBit DVD:D

[Rrrough]

yep, DTS is crème de la crème. demuxed the DTS-part from TombRaider yesterday to another vob with Vstrip, and it played back nicely in PowerDVD but that's about it... nothing else to be done... :(

sorry ookzDVD for drifting OT a bit.

as for SPDIF out, maybe by the time Vorbis gets channel-coupling sherpya has his realtime AC3-encoder-filter ready and maybe it will support SPDIF-out...:p (or Santa Claus will bless us with nForce2-boards this x-mas???)

hmmm... time will tell...

cheers

[ookzDVD]

@tiki4,

Oops, yes...

On my machine, with the Audigy card, I've to use the DownmixChannel
to cheat the output as you suggest me on the other thread,
I use the 24 bits WAVE FORMAT EXTENSIBLE with Multichannel WAVE FORMAT EXTENSIBLE.


@Nemesis7,

I don't really want to comment about XviD vs. DivX 5.02 quality, it's
a matter of personal tease, imho ;)


@Forum,

I use DSPGuru OggMachine with 5.1 output postgain, and 0.001 quality,
the final bitrate about ~210kbps, and the filesize is about 0.4x the
AC3 filesize. The sound is ok for my ears ;)

[NeVeRLiFt]

@iago

NbN@-DivX .... the quality speaks for itself chummer.

I dont give a xxxx xxx what you think :p

I guess your to busy trolling to read the posts.





:cool:

[Swede]

I've edited your bad language. You're now sooooo close to be the first one ever with 2 suspensions. :angry:

[int 21h]

Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt
@iago

NbN@-DivX .... the quality speaks for itself chummer.

I dont give a xxxx xxx what you think :p

I guess your to busy trolling to read the posts.
:cool:

An easy way to tell someone's group is n00b lamers: The group name contains characters that would be invalid in a release directory :)

Please spare us all from hearing about your l33t kazaa/directconnect/otherp2p crap piracy group and leave this forum to a technical discussion of technologies.

[NeVeRLiFt]

Originally posted by int 21h


An easy way to tell someone's group is n00b lamers: The group name contains characters that would be invalid in a release directory :)

Please spare us all from hearing about your l33t kazaa/directconnect/otherp2p crap piracy group and leave this forum to a technical discussion of technologies.


the betas network is one of the best ;)
and just because you dont like our groups name.... dare to be different :eek:

our release's quality speaks for themself :p

pffft

[Rrrough]

@Neverlift

if quality speaks for itself, why do you keep on telling us ? seems like noone else would notice then, hmmmm

[int 21h]

Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt



the betas network is one of the best ;)
and just because you dont like our groups name.... dare to be different :eek:

our release's quality speaks for themself :p

pffft

Yes P2P rules. Much better than those lame 10/100mbit topsites that everyone keeps talking about.

You've proved that your group with its elite Nandub profiles (I wish I knew how to use Nandub :( ), its highschool leadership, and its P2P connections has quality that speaks for itself. Please let these people continue their discussion on emerging technologies now.

[CruNcher]

our release's quality speaks for themself

lol i think this is not the right place for Group Advertisement and especialy as NBN is no Real Group :p some people are strange really...

I'ts a shame that many Groups belive they are top but do nothing
to get better quality in their rips (and improve it) i miss the times off V*Dv*u*t , Di***nd and *i*a you too int ;)

just my 2 cents

[BiaTch 5.0]

Man you guys are a bit tough on NeVeRLiFt.

[NeVeRLiFt]

I ignor them and the xxxxx xxxxxxxx mods here.
These forum seems home to some smart xxx xxxx xxxxxxxx.

And Swede and all the rest can xxxx xx xxxx and make sure you swallow it to xxxxxxxxxxxxx cause when I'm done I plan on xxxx xxxxxx your momma xxx :devil:

get some you xxxxxx XXX



:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

[EDITED BY KOEPI: replaced bad insults]

[inoteb]

Hmmm, is "Vorbis5.1+Xvid" still the subject of this thread ? :rolleyes:

[-h]

@NeVeRLiFt:

I haven't spoken up about it, but most of your posts lately have been insults to people and projects, and when asked to defend or even clarify your position you just continue with personal attacks.

I'm frankly getting tired of it.

-h

[SirDavidGuy]

I ignor them and the power tripping mods here.
These forum seems home to some smart ass nazi bastards.

You?

Post something meaningful (hopefully technical ;-) ), not something that makes yourself appear good.

i miss the times off V*Dv*u*t , Di***nd and *i*a

Are we not allowed to mention the names of groups?

The scene is changing. It's no longer where it takes a good and knowledgable encoder to make a good encode. Any 12-year-old with a copy of DivX can make a okay-looking 1 CD rip. It kind of makes me sad.

[Koepi]

Originally posted by SirDavidGuy
The scene is changing. It's no longer where it takes a good and knowledgable encoder to make a good encode. Any 12-year-old with a copy of DivX can make a okay-looking 1 CD rip. It kind of makes me sad.

Are you really sad about that?
Ok, those kiddies don't know how to tweak everything out of a codec, but you have the chance to fall over really brilliant rips (I think my encodes usually look more than good [and I only do little tweaking - much tweaking usually produces crap encodes], but I'm not 12 ;) ).

It's possible to have a real sharp, nearly blockless 1CD encode with 2 language tracks (or 5.1 single language) 1CD encode with a compression ratio of 2.5:1. I think that's a wonderful development. [just to get in-topic again]

Regards,
Koepi

[BiaTch 5.0]

Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt
I ignor them and the xxxxx xxxxxxxx mods here.
These forum seems home to some smart xxx xxxx xxxxxxxx.

And Swede and all the rest can xxxx xx xxxx and make sure you swallow it to xxxxxxxxxxxxx cause when I'm done I plan on xxxx xxxxxx your momma xxx :devil:

get some you xxxxxx XXX



:devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:

[EDITED BY KOEPI: replaced bad insults]
When you start with cheap language & generic insults it shows they have broken you.

Of course they are smart asses this is what they love probably one of the more enjoyable, important things for them & one of the things they do best in life when you go to a place where the experts of the topic talk you gotta expect to be put in your place if your wrong.

[shadowrunner]

Looks like someone lost his temper.
See you in 30 days dude :p

[Swede]

Actually he wont. If your read the Sanctions page (http://forum.doom9.org/sanctions.htm) you'll see that the tag NeverLift wont be back here...

But you :rolleyes: know that I will always be around.

[The Edge]

That was well overdue Swede...I stopped reading his posts long ago.
I wonder when we will see NeVeRLiFt_2 ??:(
I mean, bad lanuage on the forum is just not needed, regardless of the topic.

Edge

[Nemesis7]

@ookzDVD

Well I dont need to go into dicussion, I just am very curious how it looks like. Thats why I would like to see a sample, 1min or 30 sec or so. Just to compare for myseld, coz so far, my DivX Star Wars II rip looke way better than XviD (2cd,ac3 5.1, XCD 800MB), I could have messed up with XviD but I'm not sure, I just left it standard (weel used the doom9 guide).

So if u could tell where to get a sample of ur work... :)