XCD Playback problem in my system

[murattttt]

I have joyfully installed filters and registered the *.dat files to my media player, and then both with commandline and GUI programs (mode2cdmaker) I prepared various images of my avi files (divx 5.02 and 5.1 ac3 audio) from 800 MB to 987 MB. I mounted the images with daemon tools and saw that they played beautifully.
However when I burned them on CD (LG 8160B 16x) with speeds of 8x, 10x and 12x, I couldm't get them to be read. Any player (mplayer2, WMP8,9, MPClassic, ZoomPlayer (At least it says it can't create filters for movie.dat) freezes up and do not respond.
Surprisingly all the other files which I add up to the CD all open fine (All those atutorun.exe's, jpegs and html files...).
I don't know where I made wrong.

OS: XP Pro(5.1, Build 2505)
Mobo: Asus KT 266
AMD Athlon(TM) XP1800+,
Memory: 256MB RAM
CDroms: LG 8160 B CD RW, LG DRD 8160 DVDrom
Graphiscard: Ati Radeon 7500

[soulfx]

The avi container shouldn't be used in mode2 (XCD). Use ogm.

Peace,
SoulFX

[murattttt]

If so, why does it say in readnme as avi with ac3 is one of the tried and succeded file formats?
Anyway I'm going to replace one of my *.avi's in ogm container and see the results myself.
That still do not explain why I can playback the images with daemon tools. Anyone have an idea?

[avih]

it could be that you had a tiny scratch on the cd where it matters (i.e. a place that's crucial to recognise the file).

with deamon tools, you have a perfect cd. that's why it's recommended to use ogm because it's more ressiliant to errors in the stream.

[murattttt]

No, this is not the case. I've no scratches and no artifacts on the discs.
And if this were the case, t wouldn't be on nearly 10 XCD's I have burned so far (I don't know why I'm still trying).
On the other hand I've created three ogm discs converted to (*.dat file ext. btw.).
One of them is avi+mp3> ogm
One of them is avi+ac3> ogm
one of them is avi+ogg> ogm
Still not able to playback whence burned to XCD.
However, they still work from the images so far.
Maybe just XCD filters can not load when I try to play them.
When I play the images via daemon tools I do not see any XCD filter loaded (and I don't know if I'm supposed to see them).

[mustaneekeri]

Use CDRWIN to burn the image, i had problems with Nero and Fireburner (XCD wouldnt play but with DaemonTools it played fine).
I used CDRWIN and the resulting "XCD" played fine, btw i have same burner (LG-GCE8160B).

[murattttt]

I used to use cdrwin or nero when I first began burning images.
When it came to burn data they are all just fine but the best reliable method I ever came to was (and still is) mounting the image with daemon tools and burning just as a CD copy.
Works like charm when it comes to SVCD's and I don't know any more troublesome burning thing other than burning SVCD's.
This was also a sticky in SVCD forum as foolproof way of burning a SVCD (or any iso, bin image I assume); and I just won't also try nero's crappy burn image thing.
BTW can I use CDRwin for burning images whish have length over 82 min?
Mine doesn't and you know CDRwin is pretty expensive and I can't get the burden to upgrade.
If I'm going to copy the CD to HD again as an image and mount it with daemon what is the good of burning the image to CD at the first place then? (yes they do work with this method).

[DeXT]

Some CD drives can't read VCD/SVCD/XCD under XP, but work fine under Win98 (I've got one of these, an old 24x CD drive). Some DVD drives cannot read XCD at all (such as Samsung ones). This can be either a hardware or software issue.

If you cannot read it directly, but you can make an image from your CD, mount it with Daemon tools and read it perfectly from your HD, then this is a software issue (probably a WinXP issue with your DVD drive model).

If you cannot read it neither from a 1:1 image on your HD nor directly from the CD, then it's a hardware issue (the drive just can't read it at all).

You can test it's not due to a filter installation issue by using the dat2file tool to read it from the CD. This one uses the OS file system layer, though (it cannot do a direct RAW reading from the CD).

Tip: you can use cdrecord or cdrdao (both are free tools) to burn bin/cue images. They are a bit hard to use, though (they are command line based).

[murattttt]

If you cannot read it directly, but you can make an image from your CD, mount it with Daemon tools and read it perfectly from your HD, then this is a software issue (probably a WinXP issue with your DVD drive model).

I think this tends to be my problem.
Can I overcome this problem by flashing the firmware of my drives?(I didn't touch to them before -even for region protection-)
Or maybe I can prepare am image of the XCD's on the fly without waiting(maybe a too silly iea ).
Anyway, thanks DEXT for sensible info.

[MaTTeR]

Originally posted by murattttt
Can I overcome this problem by flashing the firmware of my drives?
It's worth a shot, certainly it helped "somewhat" for my crapola Samsung DVD drive. Now that drive will play XCD but still not as reliable as the 3 Lite-On drives I have in other systems. Dat2File is a wonderful utility to at least watch the movie though;)

[murattttt]

Finally I flashed two of my drives with the latest firmwares availabla at firmware.st and tried my XCD's with them again.
At my surprise nothing happened to my DVD drive. Still any player freezes with it with any kind of XCD template (avi+ogg, avi+mp3, avi+ac3).
However my good old CDRW readed all of my XCD's succesfully.
At least I am not helpless with my XCD's now and I can continue burning them as usual (mount image with daemon tools> burn as CD copy).
Thanks for all your help pals!...

p.s.: Both of my drives do not show cd icons as they used to do. I don't actually mind.

[MaTTeR]

Originally posted by murattttt
p.s.: Both of my drives do not show cd icons as they used to do. I don't actually mind.

You might actually have to remove the drives from the device manager now since you flashed them. Reboot after the removal, Win2k or XP will see them and add them properly.

[murattttt]

Thank you I also got rid of this problem indeed.
However I'm still wondering why my DVD drive won't read XCD's after all.