Post OggDS (OGM) bugs and feedback here

[BlackSun]

Tobias asked me to do that so I am doing a todo list and a bug reports for the OGM filters.

Also we want to have your feedback to motivate Tobias :)

[ookzDVD]

Somehow the 6 channel played with no sound on my machine with Audigy.
but the 0991 works with 6 channel only wrong channel mapping.

@BRMSlash,
Sure the Winamp can play the 6 channel vorbis with correct channel mapping with latest Peter's in_vorbis 1.2.4 after I change the
default multichannel setting to "remap 6 channels".

The problem is when I muxed the 5.1 vorbis with the AVI movie,
somehow it will be no sound.
I have to cheat it with the Trombettworks's DS filter to hear the
sound. :(

[BRMSlash]

This sort of occurs with me but only with the Rear channels and the Centre speaker. A bit more detail to add though. Only the Front Left and Right Speakers output their correct channels. The rears do output but only the Audigy virtual surround channels, not the proper Rear Left and Right. There is no output from centre channel at all. Haven't check the LFE though.

If you play the 6 channel ogg in Winamp 2.81 with in_vorbis v1.2.4 obtained from http://www.blorp.com/~peter/zips/?M=D and go into the plug-in properties page and select the Multichannel tab then change the settings to remap 6 channels and change source order to FL, C, FR, BL, BR, LFE the 6 channels work perfectly.

I am extremely happy that I can now play 6 channel oggs properly, at least in Winamp. All we need now is for it to work in the DS filter so we can have 5.1 sound with video.

Keep up the good work Tobias.

[tiki4]

O.K.,

apart from the 6 channel mapping that keeps me busy for a long while now I've encountered a few other problems. For the 6 channel mapping problem there seems to be a work around using the ChannelDownmixer.ax from www.trombettworks.com (http://www.trombettworks.com).

I encountered a few other problems. Using BeSweet 1.4RC8 the POSTGAIN seems not to work. It crashed the WMP 6.4. Rehuffed files play but without producing sound.

Another problem still seems to be the large file bug. Whether the problem lies in the file size or just in the length of the AVI stream I don't know.

Regards,

tiki4

[Bluedan]

Well, I think it's a known bug, but one of the most annoying things with the OggDS is that they still don't work frame accurate in some way. (I know it's due to M$ complicated DS system...)

1. Cutting OGMs without loosing data is a pain.
2. Jumping to a certain frame when watching needs some kind of workaround from the player (I think Blight mentioned that about some ZoomPlayer release)

As this is ment as some kind of TODO list, I just wanted to mention it.
5.1 channel implementation is a special case to me, not really one of the first aims to fix. But that's certainly personal.

I'd love to get OGM on the throne...

[magic-missle]

OggDS is very good, but i had this problem when combining an ogm with 2 ogg vorbis files that have diffrent channels.

Like when i try to mux a 2 channel ogg and 6 channel ogg into an ogm file.
If i mux the 2ch ogg first and then the 6ch ogg and play the ogm file and select the 6ch ogg, then the sound will play accelerated.
While if i mux the 6ch ogg first and then the 2ch ogg it will play the audio slowmotion.

Other then that oggds works fine for me.

[canadian_fbi]

i've been meaning to test this again myself with the new filters, but muxing an ac3 stream in combination with an ogg stream still causes problems in wmp 6.4 (and to my knowledge, all players except zoomplayer), doesn't it? my apologies if this has been corrected, but this would be a nice feature to have for 2-cd rips where you wanted the original ac3 but also the director's commentary at a very small bitrate.

[DSPguru]

Originally posted by tiki4
Using BeSweet 1.4RC8 the POSTGAIN seems not to work. It crashed the WMP 6.4. This is a BeSweet bug, not OggDS' :
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33662&perpage=5&pagenumber=4

[Taranli Maren]

Feature request:
I would very much like to see a tab in the splitter filter properties that lists all the custom tags used. or maybe the clip, author, copyright, description, and rating lines in wmp's properties dialog linked to certain tags.

[MaTTeR]

Originally posted by canadian_fbi
i've been meaning to test this again myself with the new filters, but muxing an ac3 stream in combination with an ogg stream still causes problems in wmp 6.4 (and to my knowledge, all players except zoomplayer), doesn't it?

Hrm..I've never used WiMP for anything but ZP, BSPlayer and CorePlayer(Alpha) seem to play the AC3/OGM files fine on my 3 systems. I think I've used both GraphEdit and OggMux without any problems in the past though I haven't tested this with OggDS 0.9.9.3 yet.

[inoteb]

Originally posted by MaTTeR


Hrm..I've never used WiMP for anything but ZP, BSPlayer and CorePlayer(Alpha) seem to play the AC3/OGM files fine on my 3 systems. I think I've used both GraphEdit and OggMux without any problems in the past though I haven't tested this with OggDS 0.9.9.3 yet.

Hi MaTTeR,

It seems there's a little misunderstanding : you're right saying that AC3 in OGM works fine (even in WMP) but I think canadian_fbi was talking about AC3+Ogg in OGM (AC3+Video muxed first in Nandub then muxed with Ogg ni OggMux), which clearly still causes problem (except with ZoomPlayer indeed, and maybe with TCMP sometime in the near future... I hope ;) )

Regards,
inoteb ;-]

[MaTTeR]

Oops..sorry if I misunderstood. Maybe I still am but do you mean put an AC3 + Vorbis(audio) into an Ogg container? Maybe that's where I got confused. Can't say that I've tried using more than 1 audio stream yet though.

Also, I don't understand all the posts about wrong channel mapping with Vorbis 5.1. It has worked flawlessly for me since the last version on a Zoltrix Nightingale and a TB Santa Cruz card. Try a non-SoundBlaster card if you have one around and it should work fine. IMHO Creative's drivers are usually garbage to put it nicely.

[canadian_fbi]

Originally posted by MaTTeR
Oops..sorry if I misunderstood. Maybe I still am but do you mean put an AC3 + Vorbis(audio) into an Ogg container? Maybe that's where I got confused. Can't say that I've tried using more than 1 audio stream yet though.
right, i mean having an ogg (ogm) container containing xvid video, an ac3 audio stream and an ogg vorbis audio stream. sorry for the confusion.

[BlackSun]

That's all ?

[easyfab]

Hi all,
Firstly thanks Tobias for your great work. I use ogg container more and more everyday.
Now, for the suggestions and ideas:
- Native ac3 support, i don't know if it's a ogg filter prob or if we need a new ac3 input filter (ac3 parser compatible with ogg filter)but it would be nice to have it.
-files proprieties : an option that shows all the proprieties (codec, bitrate...) i know that ffdshow can do it but it would be cool to have it in the container itself.
-fourcc changer that allow to view and change the fourcc (i have a lot of old xvid ogm with divx fourcc and i'm to lazzy to remux)
-an option for audio delay for those who forget to do that when muxing.
-support for variable bitrate. I think this is more a prob for encoding that for decoding.

But the first request is to have a native support in encoding tool like VB (is it planned?)

I hope all my suggestions are no too stupid
:)
And good work tobias
Easyfab

[Koepi]

Originally posted by easyfab
-fourcc changer that allow to view and change the fourcc (i have a lot of old xvid ogm with divx fourcc and i'm to lazzy to remux)


There's a FourCC mapper built in into the OggSplitter - access the property page and enter "DIVX -> XVID" and you're done.


-an option for audio delay for those who forget to do that when muxing.


This is a matter for OggMux unfortunately, and we're having big troubles implementing this. Maybe putting this into OggMuxer DSF isn't a bad idea, playing around with granulepos could suffice.


-support for variable bitrate. I think this is more a prob for encoding that for decoding.


Erm, vorbis IS vbr by default. Dunno where your CBR idea of ogg/vorbis comes from?

Regards,
Koepi

[easyfab]

Thanks for answering Koepi.

quote:
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-support for variable bitrate. I think this is more a prob for encoding that for decoding.

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Sorry it's not variable bitrate but variable framerate I meam
Is the fourcc mapping a new option or what? I never pay attention about it sorry for that

[Peters]

Originally posted by easyfab

Is the fourcc mapping a new option or what? I never pay attention about it sorry for that

It's a pretty old option now... :D

[c_nul]

Hello.
I notice that OggDS can't handle chained ogg bitstreams whereas it is by definition valid ogg vorbis stream.

For example, with the command line :
".....\copy /b nomfichier1.ogg+nomfichier2.ogg .....\fichierfinal.ogg"

So Divx Players (wmp 6.4, bsplayer, etc) can't read this file

Winamp, Besweet with lst ( thanks kurtnoise ;) ) or oggdropxp and anothers support chained ogg bitstreams.

[Alestrix]

A well known problem (and might be the same reason as the 2ch-6ch-switching-speedup):
When having a 48kHz and a 24kHz vorbis in an ogg-media file (I like to have the dubbed audio in VERY low bitrate as a second audio stream and 24kHz achieves just that...), playback is speeded (sp?) up by a factor of two when switching to the 24kHz stream. When checking the vorbis-properties on playback the stream is recogniced as 48kHz. Playing the 24kHz vorbis-ogg in WMP before muxing, it sounds fine.

- aL

[The Belgain]

Is the bug of getting bad frames when muxing DivX 5.0x with B-frames into ogm gone? Or are all of you ogm people using XviD?

That bug is the main reason I'm still using avi.

[mtrooper]

Originally posted by The Belgain
Is the bug of getting bad frames when muxing DivX 5.0x with B-frames into ogm gone? Or are all of you ogm people using XviD?

That bug is the main reason I'm still using avi.
Still there (it's supposed to be Divx5 decoder bug), altough I'd swear that I "broken" frame is gone...but maybe I just didin't watch carefully enough :)
Anyway, ffdshow fixes (link is floting somewhere in this forum...)

[MaTTeR]

If ffdshow fixes the "frozen frame" issue then how can this be a problem with OggDS? After months of this problem reported all over the boards, I've yet to hear anything from Divx Networks:confused:

[Didée]

Just some moments of gathering together:

Originally posted by magic-missle
Like when i try to mux a 2 channel ogg and 6 channel ogg into an ogm file.
If i mux the 2ch ogg first and then the 6ch ogg and play the ogm file and select the 6ch ogg, then the sound will play accelerated.
While if i mux the 6ch ogg first and then the 2ch ogg it will play the audio slowmotion.
Originally posted by Mentar
I have two ogg streams, one is 2 channels, the other 6. When i mux them into an ogm file i have problems with playback. When the 2 channel ogg is inserted first and 6channel ogg second the second ogg stream plays in slowmotion.
If i put the 6 channel ogg as first it will play the 2 channel ogg in fast motion. [...] as soon as i add the other ogg stream the audio playback is screwed.
Originally posted by Palikrovol
I had a simillar problem when i muxed a Mono ogg (1 channel) and an stereo ogg (2 channels) in the same ogm.

...

and so further and so on ...

And I can tell the same stories:

As soon as two Vorbis audio streams with not exactly same format (samplerate, channel-numbers, mono/stereo..) are put into an OGG container, one of both streams fails to play back correctly!

This, I would definetly call a BUG, that´s not a feature anymore.

Or did me stupid user miss here something? If so, could someone please share his wisdom?

[magic-missle]

I'm just wondering if this is a bug in oggds or in Windows.
Has anyone tried this in mplayer in Linux?

[Alestrix]

Originally posted by Didée
...
This, I would definetly call a BUG, that´s not a feature anymore.

Or did me stupid user miss here something? If so, could someone please share his wisdom? [/B]
Didée, you're right that this IS a bug, but pleeeeease don't forget that we're not talking about $250 Micro$oft-ware, but FREE software, programmed during people's spare time. Without the filter at hand there would be no .ogm in windows and we wouldn't have much to burn onto our XCDs...

So please, next time you summarize a bug report, be somewhat more ...hm... "neutral".

And not to go too far OT here, I think this bug doesn't sound like a too hard one to fix (not that I know anything about DSF-programming, though...)

My two €-cents,
Alestrix

[Didée]

Alestrix,

yeah, I know that my tone sometimes sounds a little harsh where it isn´t intended to be.

I just wanted to point out that there seems to be a real problem, and to ensure that it is reckognized.

I love OGG, and use it all day for everything.

But this one thing is indeed annoying me a little:

- One of the main purposes and advantages is the possibility to put *many* strems into one container, isn´t it?
- It seems like it doesn´t work at all for multiple audio streams (unless you´re very lucky)
- A lot of reports about this problem.

-- And no single 'official' statement from the (great) developpers: "Guys, indeed there IS a problem. We will have to fix that! Wait a little"

As the situation is by now, I feel somewhat unsure, if I ever will be able to put more than one audio stream into an OGG file.
I´m not even 100% sure that this bug IS a bug, rather than me doing something wrong, or my system(s) being screwed somehow.

If someone who is in close contact to the development could give a definitive statement, it would be quite helpful.
Knowing something for sure is much better than fishing in the mud!

Again, no flaming was intended here or above.

I never would.

Didée

[Pendra]

Originally posted by MaTTeR
If ffdshow fixes the "frozen frame" issue then how can this be a problem with OggDS? After months of this problem reported all over the boards, I've yet to hear anything from Divx Networks:confused:

Just a silly situation:
at the begging with filter 9.9.1 i was thinking on oggfilter mistake, then looking around in the forum i tried ffdshow and everithing was ok.
Somenthing strange happen upgrading by hand 9.9.1 filter with the
oggvorbis-dlls1.0_IC6.zip: no more problem with divx decoding and ogg.
Last week i tried version 9.9.3 and today 9.9.4 but the old problem return.
I try to reinstall oggvorbis-dlls1.0_IC6.zip but the problem remain, so i have to use ffdshow.
I really do not understand where is the problem:
-Divx filter ? (i try all the configuration)
-OggFilter ?
-Resolution of the encoded video ? (I have a Marvel G400 but i installed DivXG400 for the multiple of 32pixel problem)

Who can point out the situation and ask to DivX? may be doom9?

I really whold like to use ogg!!!!!

[BRMSlash]

I can't seek in ogm's when playing back in WMP9 on WinXp Pro SP-1. It works fine with WMP6.4. This is using OggDS0994. I think it worked fine with 0993, but not sure because I can't install the older version because the old files can't be changed for some reason even after uninstalling. Guess I need to reboot.

[Defiler]

The copy of 0.9.9.5 on the website seems to be broken. I've had four other people verify that it complains "This program cannot be run in DOS mode." when you try to run the installer.
Has anyone been able to download it properly?

[Defiler]

Fixed. That was fast. :)

[kxy]

Not sure this has to do with zplayer or new oggds 0.9.9.5 filter by tobias, or both. But ogm with dual audio stream is no longer supported with new version of zplayer. What I mean is, ctrl+a short cut key to switch audio no longer works. Also go to frame also doesn't work correctly. It tends to go to the end of the file instead of the frame I wanted... For example, if I want to go to frame 3, It goes to the 17sec of the movie, I choose frame 4, it also stops at the 17 sec. So it seems it is searching to key frame. Therefore I unchecked search key frame, this time it jumps in terms of seconds not frames.

Also I believe someone else reported somewhere, the ogm sometimes freezes when you go back or forward a little bit. This occur when either searching to key frame is checked or unchecked.

[AmiRage]

I'm experiencing too severe problems after upgrading to OggDS 0.9.9.5. (and SubTitDS 1.4.0.0).

My freshly muxed (OGMuxer/OggMux) OGMs (no older for testing purposes available ATM) with two audio streams, two subtitles and chapters are no longer playable for example in WMP 6.4 etc.

Update:
I just muxed one video stream, one audio stream, two subtitles and chapters and this one doesn't work too. :confused:

Muxing only one video and one audio stream still works.
Muxing one video, one audio stream and chapters also works.

... but muxing one video, one audio stream, one subtitle and chapters fails.

Update 2:
... the problem is getting weird: Muxing one video stream and two audio streams works as expected.

[kxy]

I got a reply from Blight, maybe Tobias can work with the frame issue...

kxy:
There were several bugs I had to work around in the previous OGG decoder, so it's possible that this new decoder while fixing those issues broke the ZP support, I'll have to take a look.

As for going to frame, if the OGG decoder doesn't report a frame rate, then ZP assumes the frame rate to be "1" as not to make it crash. You can double check this by pressing "I" to open the information dialog to see which frame rate is reported by the decoder

[Manao]

@Didée : OggDS never supported the muxing of two sound tracks with different sampling rates or differents channel numbers. Some times ago, Tobias said it would be hard to implement ( he was speaking of two different sampling rates ).

[Alestrix]

@Manao:
OggDS never supported the muxing of two sound tracks with different sampling rates
To me it seems the muxing is done correctly (both audio files are interlaced into the video stream according to their time-stamps), and when playing back the second stream at 1/2 speed (e.g. w/ BSPlayer), (almost) everything is fine - but this is not a real solution...

- aL

[Koepi]

Amirage:

Your subtitle file is broken. Open it with wordpad and look at the timestamps, they're most likely all 0:00:00:000.

Recreate them, take a look that they're correct, and then your OGM will play perfectly.

@all:
Please, do some research before posting something as OggDS bug here if it is possibly a bug with other programs. I could delete more than half of the posts here as they're no OggDS bugs :( Do Tobias the favor and save him from a heart attack! :)

Regards,
Koepi

[AmiRage]

Originally posted by Koepi
Your subtitle file is broken. Open it with wordpad and look at the timestamps, they're most likely all 0:00:00:000.

Recreate them, take a look that they're correct, and then your OGM will play perfectly.
My subtitles aren't broken, all timestamps are correct and they worked before and still work using 0.9.9.4/1.3.0.0.

Update: ... I have to admit ... after going back several times and testing several combinations now it worked for the first time!? I don't know why.

[Alestrix]

Originally posted by Koepi
@all:
Please, do some research before posting something as OggDS bug here if it is possibly a bug with other programs. I could delete more than half of the posts here as they're no OggDS bugs :( Do Tobias the favor and save him from a heart attack! :)
So IS the SpeedUp-Problem a bug or are a few of us doing something wrong? I'd be happy if I just did something the wrong way and simply have to tweak a few things instead of having Tobias work on a bugfix (and me having to wait for it :) )

Ciao,
Alestrix

[Manao]

So IS the SpeedUp-Problem a bug or are a few of us doing something wrong

The answer to both these questions is no. The fact that Ogg DS allows someone to mux two ogg worbis files with different sampling rates doesn't mean that it is implemented inside that filter. Hence, the effects of such a muxing are unexpectable. In our case, the playback speed is double. You are doing nothing wrong, except trying to do something not supported by the tool.

[Bluedan]

latest OgDSF 0995 and SubtitDSF 1400: I think it's the subtitle filter to blame. OGM files with subtitles won't start unless you advance a little bit with the slider in bsplayer. In addition the picture is squeezed vertically. Clicking on original resolution in context menue solves it. When disabling Ogg Subtitle parser and using instead internal machine, the movie starts right away in the correct AR.

With ZoomPlayer 2.90b1 I'm unfortunately unable to switch to the correct aspect ratio at all, no matter which resolution definition I choose (anamorphic or 16:9 should've helped here). Vice versa the OGM starts immediately.
Video is XVid, audio 2xogg -q0.300, playback with ffdshow (without: no difference), 2 Subtitle streams.

[Koepi]

So again we're dealing with your player's bugs and not with OggDS / SubDS bugs.

Thanks for the info.

Regards,
Koepi

[JohnMK]

B-frames anyone?

[Bluedan]

@Koepi:
I know that you are annoyed by a lot of things, but my comment was not written with total absence of mind.
The players I mentioned in my post are the only ones so far on my system to even play or open .ogm files since months, besides WMP 6.4.
WMP 8 reports error, does not open file
video lan shows process bar moving without picture, without sound.
MV2 player does show picture but does not advance.
Additionally, Zoomplayer and bsplayer have been adapted for ogm support in the past as you know, though meaning workarounds for previous versions.
If the DSF were perfect to go there'd be no special adaption needed for the players to playback OGMs, right?
So tell me it's only player related.

[meleth]

Also see this post for anothee bug.


http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35425

[-=Stan=-]

Dunno if its OggDS bug or what , but since i installed 0ggDS 0.9.9.5 my ogg and ogm files wont play automatically via the player .
I mean when you double click the file , it doesn't do a thing but when i open the file through Windows open with dialog box , it plays just fine .
Even when i try to associate an ogg file with any player , it does nothing .

For the time being i've gone back to 0.9.9.3 which does not cause the above error .

[Zenitram]

I need to have chapters exactly synchronized with a time in the video (DivX 5) (because of start of a thing…).
During the compression, Keyframe is not put where I would like for chapters…
For example of what I look for, MicroDVD 1.2 do it (with .AVI) : It synchronize his chapters with the Video before play, even without Keyframe
With OggDS (and all players I’ve tested WMP9, BSplayer, MediaPlayerClassic), I disable ‘Always search KeyFrame’ feature, but there is only sound which start at the good time, the video appears at the next Keyframe :(
It would be better for the filter to synchronize the video with the chapter, even if we must wait 1 second...
Bug or Feature, I don't know :)

Feature : maybe stupid idea, but chapter are written, so they have a language : it may be a feature to permit to have multi-language chapter option, because for example I have English, Spanish and French audios, English, Spanish and French subtitles, but I don’t know If I give Spanish or French chapters in my file :(

[AmiRage]

Originally posted by -=Stan=-
For the time being i've gone back to 0.9.9.3 which does not cause the above error .
Where can I still download this older version of OggDS.

I too have annoying problems when using OggDS 0.9.9.5. My WMP 6.4 under Windows XP (incl. SP1) closes itself "all the time" having 0.9.9.5 installed. For example when dropping an OGM into WMP while already another OGM is loaded or when sliding/searching inside the OGM or when viewing an OGM merged with OGMerger ... this all works with 0.9.9.4 but I'd like to try 0.9.9.3.

[stargazer]

Here is one more OGM playback problem: :)

Since I've installed OggDS 0.9.9.5, all my .ogm files (Divx502+ 1 ogg stream) playback is very choppy (I don't know if this is a good word, but it looks like a DJ playing with his vinyl LPs or like someone is choking it :)).
I've tried to install older versions over 0995 but the problem stays the same... All other divx files (with mp3 and ac3 streams) play just fine but all my OGM collection is unusable now. :mad:

I don't know if my problem is a OggDS bug, but, for me, it looks like one...

[MaTTeR]

stargazer,

Try using ffdshow instead of the buggy DivX 5.x filter. It might work but I have no direct experience with DivX 5.

[stargazer]

Originally posted by MaTTeR
Try using ffdshow instead of the buggy DivX 5.x filter. It might work but I have no direct experience with DivX 5.
I've tried it.. :(

This morning I discovered that even standalone ogg file has the same playback problem (I've forgot to try this before :)), but only when played through OggDS - when I play it in players that have their own vorbis plugin (like Winamp), oggs play just fine...

[MaTTeR]

stargazer,

One last thing for you to try and I'll stop abusing this thread. Try switching between Wave Out and Direct Sound to see if that has an effect on playback for you.

[stargazer]

MaTTeR,

it seems that this was the problem! Thanks!
Your abusing can stop now! :)

I'm using Valex' ac3filter+waveout for my divx+ac3 movies, so it must have changed all audio renderer preferences to waveout.. And OggDS works fine only with DirectSound...

Thanks again!

[-=Stan=-]

Amirage said :
Where can I still download this older version of OggDS.

I have uploaded the old reliable OggDS 0.9.9.3 .
Go grab it at http://www.geocities.com/swiftsoftin/oggds.html

[AmiRage]

Originally posted by -=Stan=-
I have uploaded the old reliable OggDS 0.9.9.3 .
Go grab it at http://www.geocities.com/swiftsoftin/oggds.html
Thank you very much, Stan! Got it! :D

[AmiRage]

Is actually someone interested in the problems posted in this or other threads regarding OGM problems? Or what's the use of this feedback thread? :rolleyes:

[kxy]

First all, thank you tobias for oggDS that make OGM possible and existence in the first place. :)

Now on to the feedbacks...
What I am really hoping to get fixed is the "seeking and freeze" problem that many user reported. What I meant is that the since the OGG decoder doesn't report a frame rate, it can resulted the movie not seeking correctly to the exact location. We can check this by checking the information dialog and see the frame rate is reported by the oggDS. Since oggDS support chapters, it doesn't make sense that it can't jump to a specific time.

When seeking is used, it tends to go to the key frame instead of the frame I wanted(that is because seek frame is checked, but if I turn it off, it is impossible to seek)... Other times it would just freeze.

The other thing:
The new version supports Vorbisgain tags, is it albumn gain or radio gain, can the user choose which gain they want to apply? And where can the user see the gain being applied? Right now, I can only see the information on post gain.

[Hoschi]

Ok, I checked the lastest OggDS and Subfilers out, on two machines, one with nvidia, one with SiS graphics, both XPsp1. Test files were self generated eps with one xvid, two ogg audio and two srt. playback did not work out-of-the box, with a minimum of filters installed.
mplayer 8 complains about "wrong parameter". bsplayer shows the movie without subs. Standard OGM (one ogg audio) and DivX are working fine.

With vobsub installed and direct-vobsub switched to autoloading, playback works well on the nvidia machine, to make it work on SiS ffdshow was required aditionaly.
vobsub could be omitted on the nvidia machine when ffdshow is installed.

bsplayers flips the image vertical, what mplaer 8 does not. reason are the different settings for overlay mode, as sis has more limitations compared to a gforce 4 and bsplayer handles the overlay modes different.

As the subfilter does use overlay I believe it is the one to blame. Without vobsub the subs look worse, as vobsubs applies its font settings to the subs.

[Suiryc]

Hi

the problem described by Hoschi is also detailed in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36972).
It seems related with SubtiDS and the codec used for video : DivX 4/5 + subtitles works, but DivX 3 / MsMpg4v3 / XviD + subtitles doesn't.
As said by Hoschi, when using DirectVobSub there is no problem ...

[grif_mcrenolds]

Since I've installed OggDS 0.9.9.5, all my .ogm files (Divx502+ 1 ogg stream) playback is very choppy (I don't know if this is a good word, but it looks like a DJ playing with his vinyl LPs or like someone is choking it ).
I've tried to install older versions over 0995 but the problem stays the same... All other divx files (with mp3 and ac3 streams) play just fine but all my OGM collection is unusable now.


I had the same problem. I messed around with Wave Out and DirectSound with no luck. I installed the old filters and it works better now. I just did a quick test though, so I'm not completely certain.

[JohnMK]

Is there an update on the status of so-called junk frames that are only produced within the .ogm container?

[Milkman Dan]

I haven't seen my problem alluded to on this thread, so I'm gonna post it.

I have an Xvid+Vorbis0+Vorbis1 Ogg. Both of the Vorbis files are 2 channel, same sample rate, etc.

When I open the Ogm file in WiMP, the play button is depressed, yet the file does not play. However, if I switch the audio stream to the other one, the file starts playback as normal. I can then switch to the first audio stream, and everything is normal.

I have OggDS 0995, the subtitle filter installed (though I use VobSub to display, per the bugs listed elsewhere in the forum), and am using Koepi's 4-10-2002 Xvid (old, I know, but stable and works great) without Nic's DShow filter.

Any ideas?

[MaTTeR]

Originally posted by JohnMK
Is there an update on the status of so-called junk frames that are only produced within the .ogm container?

Slight clarification, these so called junk frames are only showing on DivX5. I've not seen any reports of SBC and XviD users with that problem. I thought ffdshow resolved this problem for DivX5 users:confused:

[grif_mcrenolds]

Originally posted by grif_mcrenolds
I had the same problem. I messed around with Wave Out and DirectSound with no luck. I installed the old filters and it works better now. I just did a quick test though, so I'm not completely certain.

Correction:

After tests, I've encountered many problems with choppy audio playback. The problem was worse with the new filters, but after installing the old ones playback is slightly better but audio still skips.

[pirata]

I have news about freezing in OGM:

(where it is stated 'vorbis' it means always 2 or more vorbis streams; tests done using latest VDubMod)

-the freezing when the movie starts (timer counts but picture is black -the zplayer.exe process consumes no CPU time-; seeking is needed to defreeze), is due to having ac3 and vbr mp3 at the same time. I tested with and without vbr mp3, while keeping always 1 ac3 as first stream plus vorbis. The absence of vbr mp3 avoided the freezing. I also tested vorbis+vbr mp3 and vbr mp3 + vorbis, and there was no freezing, too.

-if you have ac3 as first track plus vorbis as second track, and play the movie with the second track selected, there is freezing at the beginning, too.

-the freezing when seeking or switching audio track happens when you have ogg vorbis plus ac3 or vbr mp3. I tested with ac3+vorbis and vorbis+vbr mp3, and in both cases seeking or switching track froze the movie. Only when having vorbis only, there was no problem.

-divx video from a video-only avi plus vbr mp3 audio freezes at the beginning (the timer stays at 00:00 and the picture is black; seeking needed to defreeze). Note: the counter reamins at 00:00, unlike the cases before.

NOTE: why am I still using vbr mp3? I don't like transcoding. I high quality modern container like OGM should provide support for a variety of formats, at least the most important ones like vbr mp3, unless the complexity of the container could get too high.

Has somebody something to say about this?

[BlackSun]

Just to let you know, Tobias told me that he hopefully fixed most of the bugs here :D

[pirata]

We are all wondering :


WHEN WILL THEM FALL FROM THE SKIES!?!!! (New OGGDS release, MCF, PoweDivX....)

I have also found another problem with OggDS. Look at this thread. A little bit old, but I have similar problems.

http://www.powerdivx.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=716

The point is that small chunks (700MB) are better played than the whole movie file (2.06GB). Whole movie files will be the big thing when DVD burners be everywhere.

[angelyote]

I, too, am experiencing the subtitling problem where the filter will stall ogm playback.

I know it's been mentioned a bunch. Just a 'me too' post and hoping to see the new filters soon.

Dave

[pirata]

Anybody out there willing to give some release dates?
Blacksun...?

[pirata]

Well! Just had my first experience with OGM chapters. It hasn't been quite satisfactory, even though I can appreciate all the effort to put that feature together.

I normally use BSPlayers chaptering system. I miss some of its features in Tobias' OGM implementation. The following features are present in BSPlayer but not in OGM-chaptering:

-I'd like to have frame accurate chaptering. In OGM, you can only go up to seconds (not even tenths of second).

-when playing, going to a chapter means actually going to the keyframe nearest to the chapter's starting point in time. That happens with both players tested (BSlayer and Zoom Player).

-chaptering should be multi-CD aware: all chapters should be selectable at any point of the movie. If the selected chapter is out of the movie fragment currently played, the adequate CD should be played (or asked for). That is implemented in BSPlayer.

(OGM files generated with Cyrius VDubMod; BSPlayer and Zoom Player used for playback testing; the test file contained DivX videop lus one vorbis audio stream, and the file was cut in two halfes; chapters were introduced according to Tobias specs in the video stream comments)

Moreover, Zoom Player didn't manage good the chapters of the second half of the film. Next Chapter didn't Work (Only Previous chapter).

Any comment on this?

[Manao]

For frame accuracy : you can't have it unless a keyframe is inserted at the frame which begins the chapter. A tool recently developped by Zulu ( search the xvid's forum ) can do it. Moreover, StatReader 2.0 ( in Koepi's build ), allow also to add keyframe where you want. For divX 3,4 and 5, you can have GKnot to do it.

For multiCD chapters, I think it's player related, by I can be wrong.

[BlackSun]

Originally posted by pirata
Anybody out there willing to give some release dates?
Blacksun...?

Release for what ?

MCF: Actually no idea, it's development is going nicely and smoothly. Don't expect anything for this year, but more for the first part of 2003.

OggDS: No ideas, but I can affirm that it's going to take a lot of time. Tobias is very busy with the university and his job and he is working on some majors changes in the filter (like the codec plugin thing)

The Core Media Player (PowerDivX 4): Well I'm trying to do my best to get a first public beta for the end of the month. I just have to kick a bit the team because they still don't realize that we're nearly done. (we're already thinking about TCMP 4.5)

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by BlackSun
MCF: Actually no idea, it's development is going nicely and smoothly. Don't expect anything for this year, but more for the first part of 2003.

Fully depending on 2 remaining factors now :

- how fast can robux4 update libmcf so it fits the final specs ( which is ready to to be freezed BTW ). Steve mentioned that he already started to look at that, and found its not as big of a deal as he thought, thanks to using C++ for libraries. Many existing classes can be reused or just need a bit of modification.

- We're stuck with development of the DirectShow parser for MCF, and unfortunately i dont get any feedback from the author, Jan 'myFUN/kromyx' Schlenker, he may either be on holidays or be busy with job/uni, i have no idea. The current parser can only read one track in the MCF file, and only audio, no video :( .
But we have high hopes on our java wizzard John 'spyder482' Cannon, who already started to implement the new EBML based MCF specs in Java. Iits interesting to note here that his Java implementation, called 'MCF4Java' is NOT based on robux4's libmcf, so he does it all as a native implementation, all coded in Java. This is very good for us to x-test both to see if the specs are clear and have been implemented same way, because normally both of them should be able to read files created with the other implementation.

In a worst case scenario i can see us in a situation where, by begining of next year,

- libmcf is updated by robux4 to support MCF-1 spec compliant streams
- VirtualdubMod_MCF from Suiryc is working with new libmcf, so its possible to create spec compliant MCF files ( only AVI compatibility mode of course, until UCI is ready to be used ) or transmux AVIs/OGMs into MCF ( incuding MPEG2 video, AC3 and Vorbis )
- MCF4Java can also be used to create and even edit spec compliant MCF files

but

- we can only watch the movies in JMStudio ( JMF player ) using spyder's MCF4Java, as there is no working Dshow filter available for Windows :( . Nothing against Java, but to make MCF widely used we need a Dshow filter. JMStudio, unfortunately, cant compare to modern Dshow based Mediaplayers such as BSPLayer, Zoomplayer or TCMP ....

I already contacted Milan Cutka asking for help with the Dshow filter. Maybe Jan is stuck in minor problems, so i hope Milan will give us allowance that Jan can ask a few questions via mail or here in the forums ...

[spyder]

I am starting work on the EBMLed parser this weekend. I hope it will be a swift project but I am coding everything slowly and carefully this time. I want this to be the best code I have ever written. Also, this code has javadoc comments too. :)

[pirata]

I've found a playback issue with the OggDs Subtitle filter. I looked for it in the forums, but I found nothing related.

I am muxins subtitles into a film in OGM. The submixed subtitles were downloaded from Internet, which means they were not perfect. I did some fixing (using Subtitle Workshop) by setting a minimal duration of every subtitle. That makes subtitles to be continuous; for example one subtitle ends at 01:34:23.455 and the next one starts at 01:34:23.456. As you see, there is no overlap, but a tight continuity.

Well! In such a situation, the second subtitle is not displayed. I have latest OggDS and Ogg Subtitle filters by Tobias. I have tested with latest Zoom Player and BSPlayer, reproducing the problem in both. With BSPlayer's builtin subtitle render engine, which is OGM subs-capable, the problem does not appear! I cannot use OGM plus BSPlayer because BSPlayers does not play correctly OGMs with ac3+mp3+ogg audio (which I need).

I consider this a bug, since subs are not displayed when there is no overlap.

Has anybody found a solution or workaround to this? Maybe the filter configuration? Maybe some setting in Zoom Player? Maybe going back to an old release of Tobias' sub parser?

[Alestrix]

@pirata
I don't know the subtitle workshop, so maybe this won't be possible with it.
Try working frame-based and not time-based (e.g. by converting to MicroDVD format first), then make sure that there is no frame-overlap between subtitles, then convert back to srt-format.
I don't know whether the problem of SubTitDS is related to this, but I think it's worth a try...

- Alex

[OUTPinged_]

People, i want to know if somebody managed to deal with freeze frames(yes, like in good old pre-divx3 AntiFreeze times) in ogm files?

As in avis, they occur when a file has random data written instead of valid frame.

Sometimes it just freezes. Sometimes it skips to incorrect position (like, freeze at 18:10, jumps to 43:00 instead of freezing).

What i want to ask is, the ogm container was coded with that issue in mind, why am i getting these freezes? Could they be codec related :/

oggds v 0.9.9.5 and "stable" build of xvid was used for these.

[kxy]

The freeze frames you described has nothing to do with pre-divx3 freeze frames. The cause of it is and I am guessing; since the OGG decoder doesn't report a frame rate, it will result the movie not seeking correctly to the exact location.

[pirata]

Does ANYBODY know when will be the next OggDS release ready?
It is said it fixes a lot of thing, also AC3 playback, which is awfully CPU intensive (when it shouldn't be).

But it's been a long time since the last release...

[OUTPinged_]

@kxy

Problems occur only on videofiles with bad CRC. Also, vdub_ogm fails to parse them approx at same position where freeze takes place.

More, both files were downloading during a power outages, i am pretty sure of it.

[raistlin2k]

Helloe everybody!

just have my first freezing movie in OGM-format:
movie specs 50 minutes /CD, one video-stream DivX5.0.3@720x312,
two audio-streams à -q 0.2, muxed with ogmuxer.

The playback stops all time at the same position (tried with ffdshow, 3ivx&Divx decoder), but I guess it's not a problem of video-decoder, but of OggDS. WHY? Just had a look at the video-renderer-properties: It just stopped decoding frames, so framerate is decreasing, moreover sound has stopped as well.

Any input?
Thanks
Raist

[raistlin2k]

Now I used OGMInfo onn the broken ogm-file
commline ogminfo -l log.txt -p -v3 eve2.ogm

at the point where movie stops ogminfo reports:

Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 281 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 406 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 346 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 185 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 497 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 93 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 75 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 519 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 10 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 64 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 331 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 145 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 281 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 739 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 163 bytes skipped
Warnning in get_next_page (OGMInfo.cpp) @ 309 : ogg_sync_pageseek failed, 60 bytes skipped

What's gone wrong? is this a problem on the recording or on the playback-site?? Recording would be really bad, how to know that there is no problem before burning the movie to CD (besides watching whole movie)

Please help me.
Thanks
Raist

P.S: I'll try to demux the file & re-mux it with latest releases of OgMuxer & oggMux. But if it's a recording problem, the error will persist :( SO THIS ONE NEEDS A FIX URGENTLY!

UPDATE: Found two more failed sync's in the same movie (just one of two parts, I'll check the other later). One sync error results in a bad looking picture for a few seconds, the second one is in the credits, no visible effect.

[raistlin2k]

Demuxing of files having a sync-fail is impossible for me, I tried with OGMDemuxer & VirtualDubMod.

So the movie that hangs because of such a sync-fail is lost !?:angry:

I will re-rip the movie:mad: & compare OGMuxer to OggMux, I guess the problem is somewhere there.

Anyone else having such troubles recently?

Raist

[Hitokiri]

Originally posted by -=Stan=-
Dunno if its OggDS bug or what , but since i installed 0ggDS 0.9.9.5 my ogg and ogm files wont play automatically via the player .
I mean when you double click the file , it doesn't do a thing but when i open the file through Windows open with dialog box , it plays just fine .
Even when i try to associate an ogg file with any player , it does nothing .

For the time being i've gone back to 0.9.9.3 which does not cause the above error .

i wonder if anyone has been able to fix this problem with version 0.9.9.5, or at least determine it's (external) cause?
since i too have this problem..